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 1st vaccines
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995  
Date:   Wed 2 Dec 12:35

Will be rolled out next week in Scotland. Brilliant news. 21 to 28 days between your 1st and second vaccination.

c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 2 Dec 18:13

I will wait a bit to see how it goes thanks
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 2 Dec 19:04

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red-star-par, Wed 2 Dec 18:13

I will wait a bit to see how it goes thanks


Oooh....I get called names for that patter😂

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 2 Dec 19:51

Hardly anyone posting on here would be eligible until a lot later into 2021 anyway.
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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Wed 2 Dec 19:52

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jake89, Wed 02 Dec 19:51

Hardly anyone posting on here would be eligible until a lot later into 2021 anyway.


Are you kidding? It’s like gods waiting room in here 😂
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 2 Dec 20:02

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allparone, Wed 2 Dec 19:52

Quote:

jake89, Wed 02 Dec 19:51

Hardly anyone posting on here would be eligible until a lot later into 2021 anyway.


Are you kidding? It’s like gods waiting room in here 😂


🤐😂
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 2 Dec 20:06

I'm 49 and very interested to find out when my very close family members who are vulnerable will be vaccinated. 9 very worrying months for us.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 2 Dec 20:14

What if the enemy have big guns .....send the jocks in first
What if the poll tax does not work.....try it on the Jocks first
What if Council tax does not work.....try it on the Jocks first
What if the vaccine does not work ....try it on the Jocks first

All tongue in cheek before the big hitters respond :)

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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 2 Dec 22:03

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jake89, Wed 2 Dec 19:51

Hardly anyone posting on here would be eligible until a lot later into 2021 anyway.


I disagree. This will be done by Easter for everyone.
20 million vaccines already to go.
Government's will pump cash into getting this done ASAP.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 00:34

If anyone wants to wait until they see how it pans out....I'll happily take your slot.

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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 06:26

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PARrot, Thu 03 Dec 00:34

If anyone wants to wait until they see how it pans out....I'll happily take your slot.


You can have mine . I’ll trust my immune system against a man made virus with a 99% survival rate
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 07:26

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PARrot, Thu 3 Dec 00:34

If anyone wants to wait until they see how it pans out....I'll happily take your slot.


You can have mine, more chance of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath high street than dying of covid.
All of a sudden, invertebrates everywhere.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 08:20

It is perfectly understandable that some folk are wary of rushing to take up the offer of a brand new vaccine. There are lots of unanswered questions such as what might the long term side effects be?

Having said that, it's difficult to see how else we're going to beat this virus quickly. Without mass vaccinations, it could be even be around permantly, in much the same way as influenza and the common cold.

I was a smoker until some 30 years ago. I think that probably posed a greater risk to my health than a vaccine consisting of a modified genetic molecule which has been shown to stimulate our immune system.



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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 08:34

Quote:

AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 2 Dec 22:03

Quote:

jake89, Wed 2 Dec 19:51

Hardly anyone posting on here would be eligible until a lot later into 2021 anyway.


I disagree. This will be done by Easter for everyone.
20 million vaccines already to go.
Government's will pump cash into getting this done ASAP.


Unlikely to be done by Easter. If your talking by April 4th based on 40m adults that will mean vaccinating 15000 a day. That is challenging to say the least
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 08:36

I think you are correct G.G. in that it will be a permanent virus
It will pop up in a slightly different guise yearly and vaccination will be required similar to the flu system we have at present

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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 08:38

Quote:

GG Riva, Thu 03 Dec 08:20

It is perfectly understandable that some folk are wary of rushing to take up the offer of a brand new vaccine. There are lots of unanswered questions such as what might the long term side effects be?

Having said that, it's difficult to see how else we're going to beat this virus quickly. Without mass vaccinations, it could be even be around permantly, in much the same way as influenza and the common cold.

I was a smoker until some 30 years ago. I think that probably posed a greater risk to my health than a vaccine consisting of a modified genetic molecule which has been shown to stimulate our immune system.


It’s all part of the plan create the fear . Then come along with the solution so people are begging for it so they think they can get back to normal. It won’t return to normal if gates gets his way . 🇺🇸🎺
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 09:15

"You can have mine, more chance of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath high street than dying of covid."

Ignorance on a stunning scale.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 10:17

The only reason the U.K. are doing this first is because they are worried about supply chain/Logistics come Jan 1st.

Gavin Williamson’s comment that we are getting this first is “ Because we are a much better country” is utterly astounding but then again maybe not coming from him the same guy when defence secretary- yes an ex fireplace salesman - told Putin to “ Just go away “ .What a tool he is, mind you he is in good company with the rest of them.

I am not an anti Vaxxer but I will pass on this if offered.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 10:39

Pfizer have re-iterated that they expect no disruption to the rollout of their vaccine to the UK after Brexit.

Supplier says no disruption expected. Customer says no disruption expected.

.net experts ignore that and refuse a vaccine but in the same sentence say they're not anti-vaxxers.

😁

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 10:47

"Gavin Williamson’s comment that we are getting this first is “ Because we are a much better country” is utterly astounding"

Yeah much better country at buying a German/Turkish vaccine...So proud to be British.

Hull is one of the worst impacted areas at the moment in terms of cases. whats the result? Ahhh we wont put a vaccine centre there.





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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 10:54

This from Aunty :-

Prof Jonathan Van-Tam

He expects US and European regulators to approve the Pfizer vaccine in "not very many days"

The logistics of the vaccine means that it`s "not viable" to take it into individual homes if people are housebound

He`s "hopeful" the Oxford University vaccine will be approved before Christmas, although that decision is in the hands of the UK`s regulators

For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer

On hugs, he says the vaccine may not give everyone "complete protection" so social distancing rules should still be followed

The government may look at a jobs-based priority list once the care home/age/clinical need priority list has been worked through

On vaccine certificates, he says there are “definite plans” to make sure we know who`s had the vaccine, but could not give a firm answer on certificates

The vaccine should not be given to pregnant women because there`s no data on its effect yet

The vaccine should give protection for "quite a few months as an absolute minimum - and it could be longer"

And Father Christmas will be front of the queue to get the vaccine (He`s been made a special case by the JCVI)

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 11:19

A Tory MP in charge of distribution, what could go wrong?🤔🤡🤡🤡

Least it's not failing Grayling, though I think he's in charge of one of the Ports!🚣‍♂️🚣‍♂️🚣‍♂️
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 12:57

Joking aside, most on here will be back of the queue. For the next few months you'll only be getting it if you're a healthcare or social care worker or are vulnerable through age or illness.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 13:23

Quote:

Buspasspar, Thu 3 Dec 10:54

This from Aunty :-

Prof Jonathan Van-Tam

He expects US and European regulators to approve the Pfizer vaccine in "not very many days"

The logistics of the vaccine means that it`s "not viable" to take it into individual homes if people are housebound

He`s "hopeful" the Oxford University vaccine will be approved before Christmas, although that decision is in the hands of the UK`s regulators

For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer

On hugs, he says the vaccine may not give everyone "complete protection" so social distancing rules should still be followed

The government may look at a jobs-based priority list once the care home/age/clinical need priority list has been worked through

On vaccine certificates, he says there are “definite plans” to make sure we know who`s had the vaccine, but could not give a firm answer on certificates

The vaccine should not be given to pregnant women because there`s no data on its effect yet

The vaccine should give protection for "quite a few months as an absolute minimum - and it could be longer"

And Father Christmas will be front of the queue to get the vaccine (He`s been made a special case by the JCVI)


Ree pregnant women. Very very few drugs are given to them. No change then with this vaccine. I'm pleased father Christmas will be ok. 😜
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 13:26

For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer


Have we passed a vaccine without knowing whats in it ??

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 13:49

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The One Who Knocks, Thu 3 Dec 09:15

"You can have mine, more chance of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath high street than dying of covid."

Ignorance on a stunning scale.


And yet statistically true, want to know who gave me that stat?

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 13:50

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Buspasspar, Thu 3 Dec 13:26

For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer


Have we passed a vaccine without knowing whats in it ??


Yes we have, Dominic Cummings didn't get rid of regulations for nothing...but hey just a conspiracy theory no doubt eh.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 13:54

I`d be interested to know what the chances of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath High Street are.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 14:03

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wee eck, Thu 3 Dec 13:54

I`d be interested to know what the chances of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath High Street are.


According to a scottish government stats guy....about 98.2 % chance of not meeting one, up there with your chances of perishing with covid😂
Hey it was just a laugh but the stat was generated using the in place formulae.

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Topic Originator: Saltire  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 14:30

"And yet statistically true, want to know who gave me that stat?"

same person that arrested Cliff Richard? lets be serious you have a track record of being serially wrong on here when it comes to conspiracy theories.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 15:15

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Saltire, Thu 3 Dec 14:30

"And yet statistically true, want to know who gave me that stat?"

same person that arrested Cliff Richard? lets be serious you have a track record of being serially wrong on here when it comes to conspiracy theories.


Oh really?
Two weeks to flatten the curve, now vaccine passports, no vaccine no entry being talked about openly.
Kitty's day will come.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:12

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Rastapari, Thu 3 Dec 07:26

Quote:

PARrot, Thu 3 Dec 00:34

If anyone wants to wait until they see how it pans out....I'll happily take your slot.


You can have mine, more chance of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath high street than dying of covid.
All of a sudden, invertebrates everywhere.

Actually im more concerned with catching it and passing it on to someone who may die. I would also like to visit my kids and grandkids, and the risk involved with taking this weighs heavily in favour of doing so.

Did you call me spineless.
I'll resist retalliating. These posts are messy enough without more abuse getting hurled about.

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Topic Originator: Saltire  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:19

exactly PARrot. The level headed ones are clearly just happy to accept Bill gates inserting us with SIM cards whilst those with a track record of "proof" are the ones who are again in the know. Expert in infectious diseases, pandemic management, spare time paedophile hunter. Maybe should use the skills to cultivate our own vaccine and create the "Peckham spring" of Covid medicines.

Maybe if Rata had seen the damage caused to some peoples friends/families would maybe understand the damage it causes.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:19

Isn`t it quite common to be required to have evidence of vaccinations before entering some countries?

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:30

I`m going to hazard a guess and say at no time in the last 12 months (and probably last 12 years) has anyone on any high street in Scotland encountered a lion. Yet in the last 6 months thousands have died with covid. Maybe some of the more savvy with a search engine can find that quote from this stat expert.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:31

Breaking News...

1,590,000 people meet lions on Cowdenbeath High Street this year.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:34

``I think you are correct G.G. in that it will be a permanent virus
It will pop up in a slightly different guise yearly and vaccination will be required similar to the flu system we have at present``.

I don`t think `flu vaccination s required at present; merely recommended for older citizens? I`m not aware of any need to carry a `flu certificate either. If the Pfizer vaccination is purely voluntary and not used as a means of deciding who can or cannot socially interact then there should be no problem.

If it used to divide citizens into two distinct groups then it will do more harm than good.

sammer
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:35

No vaccine, no travel. For sure.

And if you continue to refuse the vaccine, you can add to that, no dole... no child allowance... no pension... no disability allowance etc.

The Government will get you eventually Rasta.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:39

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OzPar, Thu 3 Dec 16:35

No vaccine, no travel. For sure.

And if you continue to refuse the vaccine, you can add to that, no dole... no child allowance... no pension... no disability allowance etc.

The Government will get you eventually Rasta.


So in other words...mandatory....who would have thought.

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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:40

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desparado, Thu 03 Dec 10:17

The only reason the U.K. are doing this first is because they are worried about supply chain/Logistics come Jan 1st.

Gavin Williamson’s comment that we are getting this first is “ Because we are a much better country” is utterly astounding but then again maybe not coming from him the same guy when defence secretary- yes an ex fireplace salesman - told Putin to “ Just go away “ .What a tool he is, mind you he is in good company with the rest of them.

I am not an anti Vaxxer but I will pass on this if offered.


Is it not that they (gates) knows his game is coming to an end 🇺🇸🎺
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:42

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Buspasspar, Thu 03 Dec 13:26

For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer


Have we passed a vaccine without knowing whats in it ??


Yes and there will be no liability for these companies 🤔
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Topic Originator: Saltire  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:43

Yellow Fever requires a vaccine before travel.

Does that Lion only Kill you if standing in Partners or is it busy at the Junction Bar end while tats kicking about?

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:44

99.8 - 99.8
Spot the difference in the two numbers.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 16:45

Quote sammer :-

I don`t think `flu vaccination s required at present; merely recommended for older citizens?

sammer perhaps required was the wrong word I meant it as an ongoing system to protect the elderly

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 17:05

Understood BPP,

But maybe the word `required` is in the air and is what troubles the likes of Danderpar, Ratapari and myself. I can appreciate that vaccination may be required for certain occupations- I think my daughter requires one to work as a midwife- and certain countries require evidence of inoculation or being HIV-free before you can enter.

However that is very different from being asked to show a Covid certificate before being allowed entry to a public building or public bar.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 17:14

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sammer, Thu 3 Dec 17:05

Understood BPP,

But maybe the word `required` is in the air and is what troubles the likes of Danderpar, Ratapari and myself. I can appreciate that vaccination may be required for certain occupations- I think my daughter requires one to work as a midwife- and certain countries require evidence of inoculation or being HIV-free before you can enter.

However that is very different from being asked to show a Covid certificate before being allowed entry to a public building or public bar.


Mandatory by proxy.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 18:05

You do realise that the mandatory vaccine to go to the pub is nonsense don’t you? You sheep really shouldn’t believe everything Karen on Facebook and Ken on YouTube tell you.


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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 18:46

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P, Thu 3 Dec 18:05

You do realise that the mandatory vaccine to go to the pub is nonsense don’t you? You sheep really shouldn’t believe everything Karen on Facebook and Ken on YouTube tell you.


When they categorically rule it out...and I'm not talking about "we're not thinking of doing that now" or "there are no plans to" you know, the usual political double speak...when time proves it, I'll believe it.
All of what you have mentioned is talked about openly on the BBC.
Do stop hiding behind lazy insults, believe me, they insult you more than I.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 18:52

Tobias Ellwood, MP, was not on Facebook but speaking in the House of Commons earlier this week. He advocated compulsory vaccination to be carried out by the armed forces across Britain. He also suggested a two tier form of citizenship, with those not being vaccinated subject to restricted social interaction.

He’s clearly been told to shut up since then but whether that is because, as a Tory, he is understandably excited at the idea of the army patrolling the streets or because he has let the cat out of the bag is not clear.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 19:08

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Rastapari, Thu 3 Dec 18:46

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P, Thu 3 Dec 18:05

You do realise that the mandatory vaccine to go to the pub is nonsense don’t you? You sheep really shouldn’t believe everything Karen on Facebook and Ken on YouTube tell you.


When they categorically rule it out...and I'm not talking about "we're not thinking of doing that now" or "there are no plans to" you know, the usual political double speak...when time proves it, I'll believe it.
All of what you have mentioned is talked about openly on the BBC.
Do stop hiding behind lazy insults, believe me, they insult you more than I.


Lazy insults are your specialised subject lad 😁🙈

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 19:13

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Rastapari, Thu 3 Dec 16:44

99.8 - 99.8
Spot the difference in the two numbers.


No difference, you or some other conspiracy theory genius made both of them up.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 19:50

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sadindiefreak, Thu 3 Dec 19:13

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Rastapari, Thu 3 Dec 16:44

99.8 - 99.8
Spot the difference in the two numbers.


No difference, you or some other conspiracy theory genius made both of them up.


You really have missed my point.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 19:51

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da_no_1, Thu 3 Dec 19:08

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Rastapari, Thu 3 Dec 18:46

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P, Thu 3 Dec 18:05

You do realise that the mandatory vaccine to go to the pub is nonsense don’t you? You sheep really shouldn’t believe everything Karen on Facebook and Ken on YouTube tell you.


When they categorically rule it out...and I'm not talking about "we're not thinking of doing that now" or "there are no plans to" you know, the usual political double speak...when time proves it, I'll believe it.
All of what you have mentioned is talked about openly on the BBC.
Do stop hiding behind lazy insults, believe me, they insult you more than I.


Lazy insults are your specialised subject lad 😁🙈


On the contrary, I'll openly cal people names albeit in response to the usual nonsense and quite willingly label...

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 19:56

Think everyone should have reservations over this vaccine regardless if it’s been approved or not by the necessary authorities given how quickly it’s went through and UK is the first to do it.

Problem with Politicians is they spout so much tosh throughout terms and refuse to answer simple questions with honesty, the moment something serious like this comes about there is just very little trust.

We’re essentially acting as the pilot, should be offered to an initial set of volunteers again who are willing to take the risk that one adopts with any newly introduced vaccine before rolling it out to the high risk, which should clearly be the first tranche.

I for one and my family certainly won’t be rushing to get in line for it, mainly because we don’t consider ourselves high risk, whilst we may have had it, we’ve never showed any symptoms so wouldn’t know and by all other means healthy.

To Rasta’s point as well, selfishly we’d like to see what effect it does have (if any) on those that are first adopters.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 20:04

What a lovely sentiment given who's in line to get it first! So how many randoms have to croak before it's deemed safe enough for your precious wee family?

Makes you proud to be Scottish folks!

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: 1st vaccines
Topic Originator: CAPar  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 20:06

I understand the apprehension around taking vaccinations (don't mistake that for understanding Bill Gates and nanobots nonsense!) but I have a couple of questions for anyone in that boat.

There are some comments about the UK rushing it through but if others follow suit, such as the FDA, and the EU regulator, does that increase confidence levels?

Secondly, there's also a lot of chat around vaccines not having gone through the usual level of testing (eg, 10yrs worth etc) but Covid19 is also a new disease and no one can know what the potential long term effects are for people who survive but have so called 'Long Covid'. On that basis, is it not just the flip of a coin on what could be worse, unknown long term effects from vaccines that have supposedly not gone through rigorous enough testing, or unknown long term effects from a disease that's only been around for a year?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 20:13

Coronavirus isn't new though. There have been variants of it for years. This is just the one discovered in 2019.

I realise our government are absolute idiots, but if there was a risk of significant side effects, they'd hardly be giving the vaccine to the people who provide health care first!
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Topic Originator: CAPar  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 20:40

Coronaviruses aren't new but this is the newest variant.

My point on this one is, it's not been around long enough for anyone to know whether suffers of 'long covid' are going to suffer the effects permanently or not.

On the one hand, some people don't want to take a vaccine because they don't know enough about potential long term effects but on the other hand, are willing to take their chances with a new variant of a virus where we also don't know the potential long term effects.
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 20:47

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jake89, Thu 03 Dec 20:13

Coronavirus isn't new though. There have been variants of it for years. This is just the one discovered in 2019.

I realise our government are absolute idiots, but if there was a risk of significant side effects, they'd hardly be giving the vaccine to the people who provide health care first!


Discovered where Wuhan?
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 20:49

The UK were the first to approve the vaccine, I would want to know what the dialogue has been with other countries who are also testing these vaccines and understand where they are and why they haven’t approved it yet themselves.

It would be good to know how the UK have beaten everyone, genuine question - I’m sure it’s been answered and I’ve probably missed it.

It’s a new strand of virus, that still we don’t fully understand yet we’ve managed to race through an approved vaccine and we should all be very happy, pleased and jumping at the bit to get it.

And look, I’m sure it will work, certainly hope it does, it will do as it was approved for without a doubt of reservation?

I personally would just like to see more testing, more evidence and more assurance and see other countries proceed with approving as well before i would consider taking it, not that I would have any case for getting it anytime soon anyway.

Make no apologies for putting my ‘precious wee family’ first da_no1, I would expect everyone to do that and for many families the best thing for them will be to take this vaccine as soon as it comes out and all the best to them.

For us though, fortunately we’re not in that position.

CAPar raises a good point, if you don’t understand the long term implications of the virus, then how confident can we be that we’ve developed a robust vaccine?

And vice versa ofcourse, I get the predicament.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 21:01

The American and European agencies should say within days whether they approve the vaccine or not ie before the first doses are administered in the UK.

The acceleration in approval seems to be a result of prioritisation and better funding made available because of the urgent need for a vaccine rather than any cutting of corners.

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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 21:18

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Berry, Thu 03 Dec 20:49

The UK were the first to approve the vaccine, I would want to know what the dialogue has been with other countries who are also testing these vaccines and understand where they are and why they haven’t approved it yet themselves.

It would be good to know how the UK have beaten everyone, genuine question - I’m sure it’s been answered and I’ve probably missed it.

It’s a new strand of virus, that still we don’t fully understand yet we’ve managed to race through an approved vaccine and we should all be very happy, pleased and jumping at the bit to get it.

And look, I’m sure it will work, certainly hope it does, it will do as it was approved for without a doubt of reservation?

I personally would just like to see more testing, more evidence and more assurance and see other countries proceed with approving as well before i would consider taking it, not that I would have any case for getting it anytime soon anyway.

Make no apologies for putting my ‘precious wee family’ first da_no1, I would expect everyone to do that and for many families the best thing for them will be to take this vaccine as soon as it comes out and all the best to them.

For us though, fortunately we’re not in that position.

CAPar raises a good point, if you don’t understand the long term implications of the virus, then how confident can we be that we’ve developed a robust vaccine?

And vice versa ofcourse, I get the predicament.

The uk has beaten everyone as the government has been bought by bill gates so we are the guinea pigs . It’s certainly a new strand of virus that has spread throughout the western world to destroy the economy and try and destroy trump in his election year . Which would then allow China to take over as no 1 superpower. Great reset also brought in under the disguise of the virus. Watch America 🇺🇸🎺
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Topic Originator: CAPar  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 21:20

Berry, that was an unintended point really. If the vaccine stops you becoming infected, then surely from that perspective, you wouldn't really need to know long term implications of the virus because you couldn't get it.

My intended point is, if you're concerned about long term implications of a vaccine due to lack of time to test properly, why wouldn't you therefore be concerned about a (variant of a) virus that's not been around long enough to know the potential long term implications of getting it?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 21:34

Why the UK first?
Dominic Cummings was there to remove regulations.
He's jumped ship with a barrel load of cash for him and his mates.
Do as you please.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 21:52

Pfizer have, according to the Independent, been granted immunity by the UK government in respect of legal redress.

‘’It also has the effect of granting civil immunity to Pfizer after the government changed the regulations following a short three-week consultation in September.
In a press conference with journalists on Wednesday, Ben Osborn, Pfizer’s UK managing director, refused to explain why the company needed an indemnity.
He said: “We`re not actually disclosing any of the details around any of the aspects of that agreement and specifically around the liability clauses."

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 22:23

Why grant Pfizer with immunity if it’s gone through the correct protocols....?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 22:30

-70 this time next year Rodney etc.etc.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 3 Dec 22:49

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Berry, Thu 3 Dec 22:23

Why grant Pfizer with immunity if it’s gone through the correct protocols....?


Because if someone gets so much as a tickle in their throat after taking it there'll be lawsuits flying about all over the place. 120k tax free thro the government vaccine protection scheme regardless. Happy days

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Fri 4 Dec 07:28

Did anyone here boris s speech on the vaccine. THE VIRUS HAS TO BE STORED AT -70 degrees. For once he tells the truth it’s a virus 🤔
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 4 Dec 10:32

Might strike up a business selling tinfoil to users on here, would do a roaring trade.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 4 Dec 11:05

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da_no_1, Thu 3 Dec 22:49

Quote:

Berry, Thu 3 Dec 22:23

Why grant Pfizer with immunity if it’s gone through the correct protocols....?


Because if someone gets so much as a tickle in their throat after taking it there'll be lawsuits flying about all over the place. 120k tax free thro the government vaccine protection scheme regardless. Happy days


Pfizer have paid out billions for a lot worse than "tickles in throats"

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: 1st vaccines
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 4 Dec 12:40

Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.

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Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Fri 4 Dec 22:06

I personally know 3 PhD vaccines specialist, including my sister and her husband and none would be willing to take the Pfizer one! The RDNA system isn’t proven, it’s as the all say about 10 years to early. No they are not bitter because there different labs have yet to come up with a vaccine, although one was doing the swine flu testing.
I will go with them thanks!

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 4 Dec 22:23

Advice on NHS Inform now.
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Fri 4 Dec 23:06

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DulochConvert, Fri 04 Dec 22:06

I personally know 3 PhD vaccines specialist, including my sister and her husband and none would be willing to take the Pfizer one! The RDNA system isn’t proven, it’s as the all say about 10 years to early. No they are not bitter because there different labs have yet to come up with a vaccine, although one was doing the swine flu testing.
I will go with them thanks!


Well said
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 01:23

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Rastapari, Fri 4 Dec 12:40

Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.


What does isolating a virus actually mean?
Can you provide a link to this FOI or where you heard this, as I have searched and cannot find anything.
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 01:34

I suppose the underlying - so far, unanswered - question is: If the vaccine is 95% successful, what happens to the 5%???

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 01:42

Then they are unprotected. Fortunately if enough of the population get the vaccine then herd immunity will kick in and protect those who can`t for medical reasons get any sort of vaccine as well those in the 5% and of course those who can`t be bothered or are too scared to get the jab.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 08:59

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DulochConvert, Fri 4 Dec 22:06

I personally know 3 PhD vaccines specialist, including my sister and her husband and none would be willing to take the Pfizer one! The RDNA system isn’t proven, it’s as the all say about 10 years to early. No they are not bitter because there different labs have yet to come up with a vaccine, although one was doing the swine flu testing.
I will go with them thanks!


Can my family have yours?

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 09:44

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sadindiefreak, Sat 5 Dec 01:23

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Rastapari, Fri 4 Dec 12:40

Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.


What does isolating a virus actually mean?
Can you provide a link to this FOI or where you heard this, as I have searched and cannot find anything.


Ask them, then you'll have your own copy.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 10:16

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/i-study-viruses-how-our-team-isolated-the-new-coronavirus-to-fight-the-global-pandemic-133675


Canadian teams who isolated the virus.

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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 11:51

Oh dear... more fake news.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-isolated/fact-check-the-virus-that-causes-covid-19-has-been-isolated-and-is-the-basis-for-the-vaccines-currently-in-development-idUSKBN28E2SB

It would be refreshing to see Rasta and dander par post some Pars-related stuff in our football forum for a change.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 12:54

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OzPar, Sat 5 Dec 11:51

Oh dear... more fake news.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-isolated/fact-check-the-virus-that-causes-covid-19-has-been-isolated-and-is-the-basis-for-the-vaccines-currently-in-development-idUSKBN28E2SB

It would be refreshing to see Rasta and dander par post some Pars-related stuff in our football forum for a change.


Could you update NHS UK and the UK government please, they appear to be very far behind.
I knew I shouldn't trust them😂

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 13:00

I`m going to go out on a limb and say neither the UK government nor NHS have ever said the virus hasn`t been isolated and identified. I certainly know who I wouldn`t trust on this issue 😂

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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 13:06

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OzPar, Sat 05 Dec 11:51

Oh dear... more fake news.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-isolated/fact-check-the-virus-that-causes-covid-19-has-been-isolated-and-is-the-basis-for-the-vaccines-currently-in-development-idUSKBN28E2SB

It would be refreshing to see Rasta and dander par post some Pars-related stuff in our football forum for a change.


Why this is so important to our future and just cause Rasta n I realise this is about more than a virus. You think we’re conspiracy theorist s 🇺🇸🎺
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 17:11

We`ve just finished a thrilling match against our biggest rivals in this league, the Rovers, and not a not single comment to be found from rasta and dander par. Clearly their interests are elsewhere. Says it all really.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 18:24

Check again chap

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 18:38

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OzPar, Sat 5 Dec 17:11

We`ve just finished a thrilling match against our biggest rivals in this league, the Rovers, and not a not single comment to be found from rasta and dander par. Clearly their interests are elsewhere. Says it all really.


Says more about you, care more about having a dig at other fans rather than just enjoying the comeback. Says it all really...

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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 19:18

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OzPar, Sat 5 Dec 17:11

We`ve just finished a thrilling match against our biggest rivals in this league, the Rovers, and not a not single comment to be found from rasta and dander par. Clearly their interests are elsewhere. Says it all really.


No need Oz.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 22:20

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MikeyLeonard, Sat 5 Dec 19:18

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OzPar, Sat 5 Dec 17:11

We`ve just finished a thrilling match against our biggest rivals in this league, the Rovers, and not a not single comment to be found from rasta and dander par. Clearly their interests are elsewhere. Says it all really.


No need Oz.


I commented throughout the Rover's match😂

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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 5 Dec 22:51

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Rastapari, Sat 5 Dec 12:54

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OzPar, Sat 5 Dec 11:51

Oh dear... more fake news.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-isolated/fact-check-the-virus-that-causes-covid-19-has-been-isolated-and-is-the-basis-for-the-vaccines-currently-in-development-idUSKBN28E2SB

It would be refreshing to see Rasta and dander par post some Pars-related stuff in our football forum for a change.


Could you update NHS UK and the UK government please, they appear to be very far behind.
I knew I shouldn't trust them😂


I don't think they are behind in any way. Maybe it was the way the question was framed.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 6 Dec 04:17

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Rastapari, Sat 5 Dec 09:44

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sadindiefreak, Sat 5 Dec 01:23

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Rastapari, Fri 4 Dec 12:40

Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.


What does isolating a virus actually mean?
Can you provide a link to this FOI or where you heard this, as I have searched and cannot find anything.


Ask them, then you'll have your own copy.


So no link provided? So more ***** from you that is not backed by any actual evidence.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 6 Dec 08:27

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sadindiefreak, Sun 6 Dec 04:17

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Rastapari, Sat 5 Dec 09:44

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sadindiefreak, Sat 5 Dec 01:23

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Rastapari, Fri 4 Dec 12:40

Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.


What does isolating a virus actually mean?
Can you provide a link to this FOI or where you heard this, as I have searched and cannot find anything.


Ask them, then you'll have your own copy.


So no link provided? So more ***** from you that is not backed by any actual evidence.


It's not a link you utter weapon, it's a paper document, as I said, ask and they'll send you it.
pr*k.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 6 Dec 08:29

SIF, if you look above Oz provided a link to a Reuters article that debunks that particular claim. Supposedly it`s a lie that seems to be doing the rounds on social media.

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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Sun 6 Dec 11:11

If only someone could find a way of converting a paper document into some kind of electronic format so that it could be shared on the internet. I`m sure boffins are working on it as I type...

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sun 6 Dec 12:27

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Rastapari, Sun 6 Dec 08:27

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sadindiefreak, Sun 6 Dec 04:17

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Rastapari, Sat 5 Dec 09:44

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sadindiefreak, Sat 5 Dec 01:23

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Rastapari, Fri 4 Dec 12:40

Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.


What does isolating a virus actually mean?
Can you provide a link to this FOI or where you heard this, as I have searched and cannot find anything.


Ask them, then you'll have your own copy.


So no link provided? So more ***** from you that is not backed by any actual evidence.


It's not a link you utter weapon, it's a paper document, as I said, ask and they'll send you it.
pr*k.


The Freedom of Information Act requires all public authorities to actively publish any Freedom of Information requests.
This will almost always appear on that public bodies website.

Since there is absolutely no evidence of this online I really doubt it exists.
If it only exists in paper copy as you suggest then I'm damned sure the conspiracy nutcases would have scanned it and put it online themselves.

Where did you find out about it?
Do you have a "paper copy" feel free to email me it.

All I'm asking for is the actual evidence to back up your claim but somehow I'm an utter weapon and a pr*k.

I look forward to you providing evidence for your claim without me having to submit a freedom of information request myself to see is you are a liar or not.

Here's where FOI requests are published.
Can't find the FOI about Covid you claim exists here.
Where is it?

linky

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sun 6 Dec 16:04

As much as believe that there is an element of truth to many of the things Rasta posts about, it's stuff like this that does a lot to discredit his argument and makes it easy for people to debunk alternative theories as Conspiracy Theories. The lack of sources is normally back up by only a eventual 'do your own research' or straightforward abuse as we have seen here
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Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Mon 7 Dec 21:33

Cannae wait to get my vaccine. Once that 5g stuff is inside me, I'll be like lightning at the walking fitbaw.

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Topic Originator: dave67  
Date:   Tue 8 Dec 12:00

Watching the news this morning. They said that this vaccine won`t stop you catching covid. I always thought that a vaccine was to stop you catching it

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 8 Dec 12:48

It gives your body the ability to fight it.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Tue 8 Dec 12:48

I think they are just choosing their words carefully.
This isn`t a magic bullet that will protect everyone against the virus.
What has been shown so far is that it should drastically reduce the number of people who have symptoms which, in turn, should reduce deaths.

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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Tue 8 Dec 13:08

I wonder how Bill gates is getting on controlling Karen aged 90 from Coventry in her hospital bed?

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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Tue 8 Dec 13:17

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Playup_Pompey, Tue 8 Dec 13:08

I wonder how Bill gates is getting on controlling Karen aged 90 from Coventry in her hospital bed?


She's already doing 20 press ups every hour. It's in n preparation for her next James bond style mission. Something to do with Brexit I hear but keep that quiet.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 8 Dec 21:22

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red-star-par, Sun 6 Dec 16:04

As much as believe that there is an element of truth to many of the things Rasta posts about, it's stuff like this that does a lot to discredit his argument and makes it easy for people to debunk alternative theories as Conspiracy Theories. The lack of sources is normally back up by only a eventual 'do your own research' or straightforward abuse as we have seen here


It's not abuse, I got fed up of "not a credible source"
Even when it was mainstream.
Even when I put up an editorial from The British Medical Journal it was largely ignored...so yeah, have a look yourself.
I was moved by Matt Hancock's visible and tangible emotion at the vaccine being rolled out though...heartwarming stuff.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 8 Dec 21:24

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Playup_Pompey, Tue 8 Dec 13:08

I wonder how Bill gates is getting on controlling Karen aged 90 from Coventry in her hospital bed?


How many people have you encountered on here pushing the Bill Gates chip thing?
You know being cautious of a vaccine isn't thinking microchips yeah?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 8 Dec 21:33

Tried them once... They were keech min 🤣



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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 8 Dec 21:52

Thank goodness for a lighthearted intermission ^^^

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 8 Dec 23:55

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Rastapari, Tue 8 Dec 21:22

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red-star-par, Sun 6 Dec 16:04

As much as believe that there is an element of truth to many of the things Rasta posts about, it's stuff like this that does a lot to discredit his argument and makes it easy for people to debunk alternative theories as Conspiracy Theories. The lack of sources is normally back up by only a eventual 'do your own research' or straightforward abuse as we have seen here


It's not abuse, I got fed up of "not a credible source"
Even when it was mainstream.
Even when I put up an editorial from The British Medical Journal it was largely ignored...so yeah, have a look yourself.
I was moved by Matt Hancock's visible and tangible emotion at the vaccine being rolled out though...heartwarming stuff.


I asked you for any source cause I had went looking for it myself, cause that's your usual go to. "Do your own research."
So I did and found nothing.
Rather than say it wasn't true I simply asked for a source, any source.
You then called me a weapon and a pr*k and said it was a paper copy.
Some research found that all Freedom of Information requests to public bodies must be legally published.
I then found when they get published and guess what? Absolutely no sign of the FOI you claim.

Yet I'm the utter weapon and pr*k.

So I'll ask again, where did you find this information, what was your source?
Do you have a paper copy?
If you do, can you email it to me, cause I am genuinely interested to know and to know exactly what was asked for in the alleged FOI request.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 07:49

I think it's fair enough to be nervous about taking any new vaccine, especially if you're not likely to be at risk if you get Covid. We obviously can't be certain of the long-term effects.

If you're likely to get seriously unwell from the virus, I think you'd probably weigh it up and figure that it's better to take the vaccine than not. Yes, it's been rushed through in that it's taken 7 months whereas these things usually take years, but that argument ignores the fact that it's been an unprecedented 7 months where truckloads of cash and man/woman hours have been dedicated specifically for this project.

You probably have vaccine research that has taken years but hasn't had nearly as many hours of study dedicated to it.

I do realise that's ridiculously balanced, but at least both sides can call me a weapon.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 08:59

So when Nicola and her wee gimp Leitch say that even after the vaccine you still have to wear masks and socially distance because you can still catch and transmit Rona....wtf is the point of the vaccine?

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 09:20

After you receive the jab you have to get a booster shot 21 days later and it is then one week after that second shot that you will have immunity.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 09:29

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The One Who Knocks, Wed 9 Dec 09:20

After you receive the jab you have to get a booster shot 21 days later and it is then one week after that second shot that you will have immunity.


They were quite specific that lives will still be heavily controlled vaccine or not, this narrative has continued of BNC News this morning....so....why bother?

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 10:10

I guess you bother if you are worried that, due to your age, health, build etc. that you would be particularly likely to get seriously unwell if you get Covid.

If it turns out that the vaccines are effective when it comes to preventing transmission from one person to another then, I guess, the argument evolves to one where we should all take it - to prevent it transmitting from one person to another.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 10:34

Or another answer to why bother is less people die.


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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 12:20

"So when Nicola and her wee gimp Leitch say that even after the vaccine you still have to wear masks and socially distance because you can still catch and transmit Rona....wtf is the point of the vaccine?"

breaking news... people who get the flu vaccine every year still get the flu...just much milder symptoms.

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 12:22

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Playup_Pompey, Wed 9 Dec 12:20

"So when Nicola and her wee gimp Leitch say that even after the vaccine you still have to wear masks and socially distance because you can still catch and transmit Rona....wtf is the point of the vaccine?"

breaking news... people who get the flu vaccine every year still get the flu...just much milder symptoms.


Science isn't his strong suit.
Clearly has no idea how vaccines or the immune system works.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 17:29

Only 3 hours ago Sky News have an article up advising anyone with a history of ‘significant’ allergic reactions should not take the vaccine.

Something that possibly should’ve been communicated beforehand as they would’ve known about this ofcourse as the testing was thorough.

Beginning to understand this immunity gig now.

Not trying to antagonise but does demonstrate there are valid reasons behind those that are reserved about it.

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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 18:04

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Berry, Wed 9 Dec 17:29

Only 3 hours ago Sky News have an article up advising anyone with a history of ‘significant’ allergic reactions should not take the vaccine.

Something that possibly should’ve been communicated beforehand as they would’ve known about this ofcourse as the testing was thorough.

Beginning to understand this immunity gig now.

Not trying to antagonise but does demonstrate there are valid reasons behind those that are reserved about it.


A couple of NHS staff have reacted. I would suggest that considering the number of allergies going about its probably impossible to test for them all even in a mass test. After all they have also advised pregnant women not to have the vaccine as they couldn't test it.
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 18:57

And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 19:39

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JTH123, Wed 09 Dec 18:57

And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?


Opened his mouth . What an absolute cretin of a man . He is the so called spokesperson for science. He is a paid puppet. Causing fear n now saying keep the windows open on Christmas Day to let the virus particals escape what a scaremongering cretin. His day will come
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 19:42

Jason Leitch with his Masters in Public Health Vs people on a Pars forum with a BTEC in craft and design. Who would you trust on public health matters?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 19:55

lol ^^^^

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 20:12

I like Jason Leitch, he has had a difficult job, but manages to get his message across well. I'm still not getting the vaccine right enough
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 20:20

What the fk is "his day will come" meant to mean?

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 20:27

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red-star-par, Wed 09 Dec 20:12

I like Jason Leitch, he has had a difficult job, but manages to get his message across well. I'm still not getting the vaccine right enough


I’m the opposite - I cannot stand the man but will get the vaccine when available to me


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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 20:43

7.8 billion people on the planet. I'd imagine the odds of vaccinating every single one of us with not one bad reaction are a tad on the small side.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 21:39

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dander par, Wed 9 Dec 19:39

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JTH123, Wed 09 Dec 18:57

And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?


Opened his mouth . What an absolute cretin of a man . He is the so called spokesperson for science. He is a paid puppet. Causing fear n now saying keep the windows open on Christmas Day to let the virus particals escape what a scaremongering cretin. His day will come


A cretin of a man.
Leitch attended Airdrie Academy from 1980 to 1986.[2] He played the part of Ralph Rackstraw in the school production of HMS Pinafore.

Leitch graduated in dentistry from the University of Glasgow in 1991. He became a Fellow of the Faculty of Dental Surgery at the Royal College of Surgeons (England) in 1996.

He has a doctorate from the University of Glasgow (2004), a Masters in Public Health from Harvard University (2006) and is a fellow of The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow (2004) and the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh (2004). He is also a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy (2004).

He was a 2005-06 Quality Improvement Fellow at the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), in Boston, sponsored by the Health Foundation, he is now a Senior Fellow at the IHI.

That's his qualifications. Now list yours and we'll see who the cretin is.
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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 22:20

What a load of scaremongering. My wife is allergic to penicillin, does that mean the rest of us should avoid it?Millions,would have died,without it.There is always a risk with any vaccine.It is actually safer than the flu vaccine.Anyone,who refuses to get the vaccine, are just being bloody minded.,and putting the rest of us at risk.

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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 22:25

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twin par, Wed 9 Dec 22:20

What a load of scaremongering. My wife is allergic to penicillin, does that mean the rest of us should avoid it.Millions,would have died,without it.There is always a risk with any vaccine.It is actually safer than the flu vaccine.


I think the point might be, the UK was in such a rush to roll this out in a red white and blue parade, they haven't properly educated the public as to possible side effects to allergies and what exactly they are.
Maybe that's why other countries haven't introduced the vaccine yet.
They are sitting back while the UK is happy as the proverbial guenea pig.

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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 22:39

Well,I for one will be taking the jag.Its a dead virus, that is being injected, so the risks are minimal. Don't listen to un true rubbish.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 9 Dec 23:10

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twin par, Wed 9 Dec 22:39

Well,I for one will be taking the jag.Its a dead virus, that is being injected, so the risks are minimal. Don't listen to un true rubbish.


Not even a dead virus this has been synthesised. It imitates the jacket of the virus.
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 00:34

Leitch`s qualifications are enough to make make me, if not Rastapari, suspicious. Too many letters after his name for my good. I`ll stick to my own dentist.

It`s becoming clear that this Covid vaccine is taking on the same arguments as enlisting for army service in 1914. Back then, despite what we have been encouraged to believe, 30% of the working people tried to avoid being enlisted of which only 2% were conscientious objectors. The rest were working class people who had no desire to fight in a capitalist war.

At a later point, with casualties so high, it became necessary to conscript. The self appointed leaders of the proletariat, Labour and Liberal, let them down across all of Europe. The Tories were at least honest pretty honest in their calls for cannon fodder. I wouldn`t be surprised to see a Kitchener type portrait appear before our eyes before long, saying `Your Country Needs You.`

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 06:55

The point is there is a risk that hasn’t properly been communicated, regardless of whether you personally think it’s small or not.

It would be a different tune playing if they had died from taking the vaccine I’m sure...

I don’t think it’s scaremongering, I’d rather the Regulators came out with this advice than not, ideally would’ve been nice if it was done before vaccines were rolled out........
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 07:01

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moviescot, Wed 09 Dec 21:39

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dander par, Wed 9 Dec 19:39

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JTH123, Wed 09 Dec 18:57

And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?


Opened his mouth . What an absolute cretin of a man . He is the so called spokesperson for science. He is a paid puppet. Causing fear n now saying keep the windows open on Christmas Day to let the virus particals escape what a scaremongering cretin. His day will come


A cretin of a man.
Leitch attended Airdrie Academy from 1980 to 1986.[2] He played the part of Ralph Rackstraw in the school production of HMS Pinafore.

Leitch graduated in dentistry from the University of Glasgow in 1991. He became a Fellow of the Faculty of Dental Surgery at the Royal College of Surgeons (England) in 1996.

He has a doctorate from the University of Glasgow (2004), a Masters in Public Health from Harvard University (2006) and is a fellow of The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow (2004) and the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh (2004). He is also a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy (2004).

He was a 2005-06 Quality Improvement Fellow at the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), in Boston, sponsored by the Health Foundation, he is now a Senior Fellow at the IHI.

That's his qualifications. Now list yours and we'll see who the cretin is.
I have same letters as bill gates has for medicine at end of his name hee haw . My point is he is a paid puppet by the the government like van scam . Whittey n valance all there to scaremonger and use propaganda to brainwash the nation into believing their narrative is for their benefits ( certainly worked in uk)take a look at Hancock laughing on tv the other morning. “90” year old Margaret keenan first to have jab . Then the 1st man William Shakespeare from Warwickshire. You couldn’t make that play up . They are now saying the vaccine may not help and masks may be mandatory till next winter. If you want your freedom taking away keep complying and believing this propaganda bs from leitch n co .
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 07:59

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Berry, Thu 10 Dec 06:55

The point is there is a risk that hasn’t properly been communicated, regardless of whether you personally think it’s small or not.

It would be a different tune playing if they had died from taking the vaccine I’m sure...

I don’t think it’s scaremongering, I’d rather the Regulators came out with this advice than not, ideally would’ve been nice if it was done before vaccines were rolled out........


Are you in the priority groups? Adverse effects HAVE been communicated to the group's receiving the vaccine, including anaphylactic shock.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 08:06

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dander par, Thu 10 Dec 07:01

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moviescot, Wed 09 Dec 21:39

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dander par, Wed 9 Dec 19:39

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JTH123, Wed 09 Dec 18:57

And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?


Opened his mouth . What an absolute cretin of a man . He is the so called spokesperson for science. He is a paid puppet. Causing fear n now saying keep the windows open on Christmas Day to let the virus particals escape what a scaremongering cretin. His day will come


A cretin of a man.
Leitch attended Airdrie Academy from 1980 to 1986.[2] He played the part of Ralph Rackstraw in the school production of HMS Pinafore.

Leitch graduated in dentistry from the University of Glasgow in 1991. He became a Fellow of the Faculty of Dental Surgery at the Royal College of Surgeons (England) in 1996.

He has a doctorate from the University of Glasgow (2004), a Masters in Public Health from Harvard University (2006) and is a fellow of The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow (2004) and the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh (2004). He is also a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy (2004).

He was a 2005-06 Quality Improvement Fellow at the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), in Boston, sponsored by the Health Foundation, he is now a Senior Fellow at the IHI.

That's his qualifications. Now list yours and we'll see who the cretin is.
I have same letters as bill gates has for medicine at end of his name hee haw . My point is he is a paid puppet by the the government like van scam . Whittey n valance all there to scaremonger and use propaganda to brainwash the nation into believing their narrative is for their benefits ( certainly worked in uk)take a look at Hancock laughing on tv the other morning. “90” year old Margaret keenan first to have jab . Then the 1st man William Shakespeare from Warwickshire. You couldn’t make that play up . They are now saying the vaccine may not help and masks may be mandatory till next winter. If you want your freedom taking away keep complying and believing this propaganda bs from leitch n co .


No. Your point was that he was a cretin. I put it to you my lord that you have clearly shown yourself to be the cretin.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 08:07

I see Canada has now approved the Pfizer vaccine.

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Topic Originator: charlie1  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 08:08

There are minute incidences of reaction with vast majority of vaccines! Even flu vaccinators must be trained in anaphylaxis management!
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 08:23

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moviescot, Thu 10 Dec 08:06

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dander par, Thu 10 Dec 07:01

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moviescot, Wed 09 Dec 21:39

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dander par, Wed 9 Dec 19:39

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JTH123, Wed 09 Dec 18:57

And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?


Opened his mouth . What an absolute cretin of a man . He is the so called spokesperson for science. He is a paid puppet. Causing fear n now saying keep the windows open on Christmas Day to let the virus particals escape what a scaremongering cretin. His day will come


A cretin of a man.
Leitch attended Airdrie Academy from 1980 to 1986.[2] He played the part of Ralph Rackstraw in the school production of HMS Pinafore.

Leitch graduated in dentistry from the University of Glasgow in 1991. He became a Fellow of the Faculty of Dental Surgery at the Royal College of Surgeons (England) in 1996.

He has a doctorate from the University of Glasgow (2004), a Masters in Public Health from Harvard University (2006) and is a fellow of The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow (2004) and the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh (2004). He is also a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy (2004).

He was a 2005-06 Quality Improvement Fellow at the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), in Boston, sponsored by the Health Foundation, he is now a Senior Fellow at the IHI.

That's his qualifications. Now list yours and we'll see who the cretin is.
I have same letters as bill gates has for medicine at end of his name hee haw . My point is he is a paid puppet by the the government like van scam . Whittey n valance all there to scaremonger and use propaganda to brainwash the nation into believing their narrative is for their benefits ( certainly worked in uk)take a look at Hancock laughing on tv the other morning. “90” year old Margaret keenan first to have jab . Then the 1st man William Shakespeare from Warwickshire. You couldn’t make that play up . They are now saying the vaccine may not help and masks may be mandatory till next winter. If you want your freedom taking away keep complying and believing this propaganda bs from leitch n co .


No. Your point was that he was a cretin. I put it to you my lord that you have clearly shown yourself to be the cretin.


Aw that’s sweet
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 08:45

So, already the line being trotted out it that life will remain the same, no back to normal, it won't curb spread or transmission....I'll ask again, why would a healthy person bother?
Why risk an adverse reaction?

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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 08:52

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Rastapari, Thu 10 Dec 08:45

So, already the line being trotted out it that life will remain the same, no back to normal, it won't curb spread or transmission....I'll ask again, why would a healthy person bother?
Why risk an adverse reaction?


Excactly masks on till next winter . Same tier systems in place all because it’s about a virus according to most. People need to start questioning the governments narrative

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 09:05

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Rastapari, Thu 10 Dec 08:45

So, already the line being trotted out it that life will remain the same, no back to normal, it won't curb spread or transmission....I'll ask again, why would a healthy person bother?
Why risk an adverse reaction?


Please provide evidence where it has been said it won't curb spread of transmission.

You really need to educate yourself on how the immune system works and how vaccines work with that.

I will give you a little clue.
Most of the time someone who has received a vaccine will be immune. If they come into contact they will not get the disease at all.
Some will get the disease but since the body has encountered it before has the blueprint for fighting it of. This will happen relatively quickly compared to someone who has not been vaccinated or previously had the disease. They may develop symptoms and may is some cases even be able to pass it on.
That does not in any way equate to the utter rubbish you are coming out with.
This is basic high school biology ffs.
I'm sure it's slightly more complicated than this but that's the just of whats going on.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 09:06

You've as much chance of a reaction to the vaccine as you do of choking on an apple. We don't say noone can have apples!

The vaccine gives you the ability to fight coronavirus. Exactly the same as the flu vaccine has done for years. It doesn't mean you won't get it. You'll just have far milder symptoms if any at all.

The reason there won't be normality immediately is that it's going to take a year to get the majority vaccinated.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 09:36

The reason that a healthy person should get it Rasta is that there are hundreds of thousands of people who for medical reasons can`t get any type of vaccine. If enough of the population gets the vaccine then herd immunity will protect them.
So what reason would a socially responsible, considerate person have for not getting vaccinated?

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 09:51

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The One Who Knocks, Thu 10 Dec 09:36

The reason that a healthy person should get it Rasta is that there are hundreds of thousands of people who for medical reasons can`t get any type of vaccine. If enough of the population gets the vaccine then herd immunity will protect them.
So what reason would a socially responsible, considerate person have for not getting vaccinated?


Could be a clue in the study, titled “Looking Under the Tinfoil Hat” and posted online in the Journal of Personality, Ms. Bowes and Scott Lilienfeld led a team that administered a battery of standardized personality surveys to nearly 2,000 adults.

“the research team gave the participants several standard personality questionnaires. One parsed general, fairly stable traits, like conscientiousness and sociability; another asked about moods like anxiety and anger; and a third addressed extremes, like narcissistic tendencies. (“I often have to deal with people who are less important than me.”)

To rough out a personality profile, or profiles, the research team measured which facets of personality were most strongly correlated to higher levels of susceptibility to conspiracy beliefs. The findings were at least as notable for the associations revealed as for those not found. For example, qualities like conscientiousness, modesty and altruism were very weakly related to a person’s susceptibility. Levels of anger or sincerity bore no apparent relation; nor did self-esteem.

The personality features that were solidly linked to conspiracy beliefs included some usual suspects: entitlement, self-centered impulsivity, cold-heartedness (the confident injustice collector), elevated levels of depressive moods and anxiousness (the moody figure, confined by age or circumstance). Another one emerged from the questionnaire that aimed to assess personality disorders — a pattern of thinking called “psychoticism.”

Psychoticism is a core feature of so-called schizo-typal personality disorder, characterized in part by “odd beliefs and magical thinking” and “paranoid ideation.” In the language of psychiatry, it is a milder form of full-blown psychosis, the recurrent delusional state that characterizes schizophrenia. It’s a pattern of magical thinking that goes well beyond garden variety superstition and usually comes across socially as disjointed, uncanny or “off.””


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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 10:54

I can't wait to get it.🙂
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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 14:17

I am not an anti-vaxxer but my worry about this vaccine is that it has not been tested for long term side affects. Most vaccines are not released to the public for 10+ years and this one has barely taken a year. I`m not overly worried about myself but my kids for the long term.

I`ve never seen a vaccine that the government will pretty much force you to take. Next year should be interesting..

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 15:34

Has there every been a vaccine that has had so much time effort and money pumped into it as this one? The pandemic has brought the planet to a standstill so any developments are always going to be quicker. Its really not that hard to grasp.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 17:32

Probably not but I still don`t understand how they can test for long term affects. It`s something I`d love to hear a medial expert comment on. I`ve not seen anything about it on the news so far.

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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 17:46

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RossF, Thu 10 Dec 17:32

Probably not but I still don`t understand how they can test for long term affects. It`s something I`d love to hear a medial expert comment on. I`ve not seen anything about it on the news so far.


You won’t here anything on news about long term affects. Let alone what’s in it or who accepts liability. Very strange . Has anyone ever heard a medical expert saying what to take to try n better your immune system as well like vitamin d zinc etc ? Very strange as well it’s all about the virus that’s drilled into us
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 18:32

Is Donald Trump going to have enough time to save the world before he hands over to Biden next month, dander par?

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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 18:57

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wee eck, Thu 10 Dec 18:32

Is Donald Trump going to have enough time to save the world before he hands over to Biden next month, dander par?


He ll no be handing over to bye den 🇺🇸🎺🚄
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 20:17

We're all ears. Give us your considered prediction on what's going to happen.
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 20:47

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RossF, Thu 10 Dec 17:32

Probably not but I still don`t understand how they can test for long term affects. It`s something I`d love to hear a medial expert comment on. I`ve not seen anything about it on the news so far.




As has been said by plenty of people actually ITK for this field, just because somethings taken ten years to come to fruition doesn't mean it's better tested, it's been commented on plenty.
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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 21:14

Sometimes, you have to take risks.Not saying the vaccine is perfect,but at my age,I feel I have to protect myself. Technology has moved a long way since the tholidomide scandal.Smallpox,has almost been eradicated in this country, as has whooping cough. Think you can be too cautious. Hasten to add,my own mother,had whooping cough, and apparently, it was horrendous.
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Topic Originator: RossF  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 21:19

Unbelievably I had a look there and found an expert has commented on the long term side affects.

`Professor Phelps said this is `tricky` to answer because the vaccine hasn`t been around for `very long`.

`It`s been in clinical trials, and so we don`t know what the long term side effects are,` she said.

`We can`t know until the vaccine has been out there in the population for longer.

`We do know that the short term effects look a lot like a lot of other vaccines such as the flu vaccine.`

I`d like to think this will be an amazing breakthrough but the chances of this virus killing someone under 60 is ridiculously low. Is it really worth getting the vaccine if you don`t come under the vulnerable listing? By the looks of it though, we won`t have a choice.

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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 21:36

Folks are shouting for a vaccine, they can't win.They are in a rock and a hard place.
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 21:53

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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 20:17

We're all ears. Give us your considered prediction on what's going to happen.


Since Biden/democrats have tried to rig the election using the dominion voting machine .mail ballot votes etc . Most of the states will go to scotus to get it overturned n trump will be still president 🇺🇸🎺🚄
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Thu 10 Dec 22:17

But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 03:14

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dander par, Thu 10 Dec 21:53

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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 20:17

We're all ears. Give us your considered prediction on what's going to happen.


Since Biden/democrats have tried to rig the election using the dominion voting machine .mail ballot votes etc . Most of the states will go to scotus to get it overturned n trump will be still president 🇺🇸🎺🚄


Claims made about Dominion voting machines have been debunked though.
So if thats what you're pinning your hopes on you're in for a big disappointment.

This is a good neutral report on it. https://youtu.be/i_SpWzv2cVw
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 06:46

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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 22:17

But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.


Yes the MSM leftist news stories .That’s why they are going to scotus (supreme court of the United States)as the judges are corrupt in these smaller courts.
Movie Scot you will be proved wrong about these dominion voting machines 🇺🇸🎺🚄

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Topic Originator: CAPar  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 07:07

So far these are the people/things that are corrupt in the US election :
- MSM
- Voting machines
- Election observers
- Judges in lower courts
- The Democratic Party
- Leftists whatever they are

Things that are not corrupt:
- Donald Trump
- The Supreme Court (although I'm sure that will change if they refuse to hear/rule against these cases)

Sounds plausible.
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 07:08

That will be the same Republican heavy Supreme Court that already threw out the Pennsylvania election fraud case on Wednesday?
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 07:08

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CAPar, Fri 11 Dec 07:07

So far these are the people/things that are corrupt in the US election :
- MSM
- Voting machines
- Election observers
- Judges in lower courts
- The Democratic Party
- Leftists whatever they are

Things that are not corrupt:
- Donald Trump
- The Supreme Court (although I'm sure that will change if they refuse to hear/rule against these cases)

Sounds plausible.


U missed ccp
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 08:39

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The One Who Knocks, Thu 10 Dec 09:36

The reason that a healthy person should get it Rasta is that there are hundreds of thousands of people who for medical reasons can`t get any type of vaccine. If enough of the population gets the vaccine then herd immunity will protect them.
So what reason would a socially responsible, considerate person have for not getting vaccinated?


Because this new technology alters your genetic make up, I'll take my chances with that survival rate, you take your chances with the suits, simple.
You're the sensible one.

A vaccine so perfect our loving government will strip you of basic human rights to make you take it.

But you, you're the sensible one, I can only assume you are at risk?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 08:44

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Rastapari, Fri 11 Dec 08:39

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The One Who Knocks, Thu 10 Dec 09:36

The reason that a healthy person should get it Rasta is that there are hundreds of thousands of people who for medical reasons can`t get any type of vaccine. If enough of the population gets the vaccine then herd immunity will protect them.
So what reason would a socially responsible, considerate person have for not getting vaccinated?

]
Because this new technology alters your genetic make up, I'll take my chances with that survival rate, you take your chances with the suits, simple.
You're the sensible one.


Wrong again. Must try harder.

https://fullfact.org/health/mrna-covid-vaccine/
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 08:48

Alters your genetic make up huh, okay then.
Like I said it`s not about the survival rate for me but the much, much lower survival rate for large swathes of our most vulnerable who can`t be vaccinated. Maybe you are right though, if everyone acts in their own self interest an invisible hand will guide society to the best overall income.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 09:00

If a treatment has been developed that predictably alters everybody's genetic makeup then that's huge news. I had heard that CRISPR was going to bring in new treatment vectors but the existance of an off the peg gene therapy treatment would make such a difference in our understanding of how genetics works that we would have to reevaluate what we think we know.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"


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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 09:01

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dander par, Fri 11 Dec 06:46

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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 22:17

But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.


Yes the MSM leftist news stories .That’s why they are going to scotus (supreme court of the United States)as the judges are corrupt in these smaller courts.
Movie Scot you will be proved wrong about these dominion voting machines 🇺🇸🎺🚄


Thanks dander but I never made any comment about Dominion machines. Cheers
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 09:40

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moviescot, Fri 11 Dec 09:01

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dander par, Fri 11 Dec 06:46

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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 22:17

But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.


Yes the MSM leftist news stories .That’s why they are going to scotus (supreme court of the United States)as the judges are corrupt in these smaller courts.
Movie Scot you will be proved wrong about these dominion voting machines 🇺🇸🎺🚄


Thanks dander but I never made any comment about Dominion machines. Cheers


I did, think he just got the wrong person.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 12:30

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sadindiefreak, Fri 11 Dec 09:40

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moviescot, Fri 11 Dec 09:01

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dander par, Fri 11 Dec 06:46

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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 22:17

But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.


Yes the MSM leftist news stories .That’s why they are going to scotus (supreme court of the United States)as the judges are corrupt in these smaller courts.
Movie Scot you will be proved wrong about these dominion voting machines 🇺🇸🎺🚄


Thanks dander but I never made any comment about Dominion machines. Cheers


I did, think he just got the wrong person.


I know. Gets a lot wrong
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 13:16

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moviescot, Fri 11 Dec 12:30

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sadindiefreak, Fri 11 Dec 09:40

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moviescot, Fri 11 Dec 09:01

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dander par, Fri 11 Dec 06:46

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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 22:17

But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.


Yes the MSM leftist news stories .That’s why they are going to scotus (supreme court of the United States)as the judges are corrupt in these smaller courts.
Movie Scot you will be proved wrong about these dominion voting machines 🇺🇸🎺🚄


Thanks dander but I never made any comment about Dominion machines. Cheers


I did, think he just got the wrong person.


I know. Gets a lot wrong


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Date:   Fri 11 Dec 13:58

It would be really boring around here without a few crackpots.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 14:04

The list of people being advised not to take the vaccines keeps growing.....bug being sceptical is nuts eh....
So if that's nuts what fo we call the willing lab rats?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 14:05

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The One Who Knocks, Fri 11 Dec 08:48

Alters your genetic make up huh, okay then.
Like I said it`s not about the survival rate for me but the much, much lower survival rate for large swathes of our most vulnerable who can`t be vaccinated. Maybe you are right though, if everyone acts in their own self interest an invisible hand will guide society to the best overall income.


Have you even looked into this largely untried new technology?
The Lancet now raising concerns it can make an individual more likely to contract HIV....I mean what's not to like?
Yeah, sorry I'm just to healthy to take that risk, I don't exercise and look after my diet for nothing.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 14:53

Adenovirus type vectored vaccines have been known for a number of years to increase the chance of hiv infection, especially among men who engage in what are known to be high risk of transmission acts. At leady according to the Lancet which I know you read regularly.
-https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext-

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in this field can tell me what kind of vaccine the ones that will be used in the UK are.
Well done Rasta on being so healthy, I am genuinely pleased for you. I`ll be getting the jab because there are plenty of people out there who aren`t so fortunate.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 15:23

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The One Who Knocks, Fri 11 Dec 14:53

Adenovirus type vectored vaccines have been known for a number of years to increase the chance of hiv infection, especially among men who engage in what are known to be high risk of transmission acts. At leady according to the Lancet which I know you read regularly.
-https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext-

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in this field can tell me what kind of vaccine the ones that will be used in the UK are.
Well done Rasta on being so healthy, I am genuinely pleased for you. I`ll be getting the jab because there are plenty of people out there who aren`t so fortunate.


You’re just jealous because Rasta is clearly banging & injecting for Scotland


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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 15:31

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da_no_1, Thu 10 Dec 15:34

Has there every been a vaccine that has had so much time effort and money pumped into it as this one? The pandemic has brought the planet to a standstill so any developments are always going to be quicker. Its really not that hard to grasp.


It’s also not hard to grasp that regardless of the pile of money thrown at it and the amount of resources on it, operating at such a fast pace leads to errors.

I am no expert but I am not convinced you can cut down a timeline from 10+ years to a matter of months without risks associated with it.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 16:17

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Berry, Fri 11 Dec 15:31

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da_no_1, Thu 10 Dec 15:34

Has there every been a vaccine that has had so much time effort and money pumped into it as this one? The pandemic has brought the planet to a standstill so any developments are always going to be quicker. Its really not that hard to grasp.


It’s also not hard to grasp that regardless of the pile of money thrown at it and the amount of resources on it, operating at such a fast pace leads to errors.

I am no expert but I am not convinced you can cut down a timeline from 10+ years to a matter of months without risks associated with it.


Daily the list of those that should avoid grows...the public are basically testing this.
And the tax payer will foot the bill for any "unfortunate" side effects.
Win win for the corporations.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Fri 11 Dec 16:31

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Rastapari, Fri 11 Dec 14:05

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The One Who Knocks, Fri 11 Dec 08:48

Alters your genetic make up huh, okay then.
Like I said it`s not about the survival rate for me but the much, much lower survival rate for large swathes of our most vulnerable who can`t be vaccinated. Maybe you are right though, if everyone acts in their own self interest an invisible hand will guide society to the best overall income.


Have you even looked into this largely untried new technology?
The Lancet now raising concerns it can make an individual more likely to contract HIV....I mean what's not to like?
Yeah, sorry I'm just to healthy to take that risk, I don't exercise and look after my diet for nothing.


The Pfizer vaccine is not the ad5 type.
Pfizer is modRNA type vaccine.

The Chinese company CanSino has this type.
The Oxford vaccine is from modified chimpanzee vector which is adenovirus but not the type ad5 mentioned in the Lancet I don't really understand the difference.

So the UK approved vaccine by Pfizer does not have this increase risk of contracting HIV

If it turns out the Oxford vaccine does and it is approved them I imagine they will not give this to the specific group who are identified in the Lancet report as being at more risk.

The group identified of being at risk is uncircumcised homosexual men who indulge in unprotected anal sex.
This particular group would be better getting the Pfizer vaccine.

For someone who accuses others of scaremongering over Covid to use this increase risk of HIV in this particular group to then scaremonger about the Pfizer vaccine which is not even the type of vaccine that is effected by this is absolutely appalling.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 08:53

Yeah dude, you're really selling it.
Like I keep saying, you keen, on you go.

People are losing their lives, businesses,families etc for something they have to fudge the numbers for to make it look worse.
Lumping in every death within 28 days as covid.. .ah the science, the glorious science.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 09:49

When someone responds to you with facts thats your answer every single time "go ahead, on you go, son"......

So in a years time when we're all walking around with 3 heads speaking Flemish or whatever nonsense you say will happen you can stand there with a wee pocket rocket saying "told you so"

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 09:49

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Rastapari, Sat 12 Dec 08:53

Lumping in every death within 28 days as covid.. .ah the science, the glorious science.


The cynic in me reaches the opposite conclusion.

They changed the way they counted deaths a few months ago so the numbers went down and therefore the government's handling of it didn't look so bad.

Either way, the excess death figures are higher still and suggest things are worse than they claim and you believe.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 09:58

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parsfan, Sat 12 Dec 09:49

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Rastapari, Sat 12 Dec 08:53

Lumping in every death within 28 days as covid.. .ah the science, the glorious science.


The cynic in me reaches the opposite conclusion.

They changed the way they counted deaths a few months ago so the numbers went down and therefore the government's handling of it didn't look so bad.

Either way, the excess death figures are higher still and suggest things are worse than they claim and you believe.


How would adding flu deaths to covid ones make the numbers go down?
Please do explain.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 10:02

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da_no_1, Sat 12 Dec 09:49

When someone responds to you with facts thats your answer every single time "go ahead, on you go, son"......

So in a years time when we're all walking around with 3 heads speaking Flemish or whatever nonsense you say will happen you can stand there with a wee pocket rocket saying "told you so"


Da I read those facts myself, what's your point?
Nothing Sad typed sells it, does it?

You really think I wish harm on you?
That would "excite me"
What a sad little "man" you are.

Hey you could always have a go at listing the positives but you don't do that, you just do the snide patter thing.
You're enjoying the drama and the virtue of fear.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 10:18

``Topic Originator: dander par like | nolike
Date: Fri 11 Dec 07:08

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CAPar, Fri 11 Dec 07:07

So far these are the people/things that are corrupt in the US election :
- MSM
- Voting machines
- Election observers
- Judges in lower courts
- The Democratic Party
- Leftists whatever they are

Things that are not corrupt:
- Donald Trump
- The Supreme Court (although I`m sure that will change if they refuse to hear/rule against these cases)

Sounds plausible.


U missed ccp``

The Supreme Court can now be added to the `corrupt` list after throwing out challenges to the election results in four states. And the FDA have given emergency approval to the Pfizer vaccine which Trump has welcomed apparently. Has he been corrupted as well?



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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 10:55

Looks like Dander Par will be throwing women and children behind him as he rushes to get the vaccine following his hero’s glowing endorsement of the vaccine by video;

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1337586206683574272?s=21

“President Trump touted the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) approval of a COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech on Friday, calling it "really good news" for the country.

"Today our nation has achieved a medical miracle. We have delivered a safe and effective vaccine in just nine months. It is one of the greatest scientific accomplishments in history. It will save millions of lives and soon end the pandemic once and for all," Trump said in a video posted to Twitter.

"On behalf of the American people, I'd like to thank all of the brilliant scientists, technicians, doctors and workers who made this all possible," he added.”


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Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 11:02

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Rastapari, Sat 12 Dec 09:58

How would adding flu deaths to covid ones make the numbers go down?
Please do explain.


I never mentioned flu deaths. The government had a way of counting covid deaths and ours were the worst in Europe. They changed the way they counted them and that resulted in the reported figure going down.

The same number of people were still dead of course, and a lot more than usual, but the government went out of their way to report a lower figure while you think they're trying to inflate the figure.

Flu, I think, is a bad example. Having multiple illnesses will reduce your chance of survival and both would play a part in your demise.

If, on the other hand, you test positive and remain perfectly healthy but get eaten by sharks 27 days later would you be counted as covid?

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 11:11

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parsfan, Sat 12 Dec 11:02

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Rastapari, Sat 12 Dec 09:58

How would adding flu deaths to covid ones make the numbers go down?
Please do explain.


If, on the other hand, you test positive and remain perfectly healthy but get eaten by sharks 27 days later would you be counted as covid?


It actually would count. The Scottish Government released stats on how many of the "deaths within 28 days of a positive test are directly attributed to covid."
The figure was 93%.
Obviously there will be people who die of it that don't get tested as well.
I agree that the best measure we have is the excess deaths number and that is way way higher than the official number of covid deaths.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 12:37

You`re gonna need a bigger boat...…...

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 13:07

Re sharks - no it would not be counted as Covid no matter how many times people claim it does

“The World Health Organization (WHO) recognises this complexity and states that:

A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 disease (e.g. trauma).”

Also there are more than one indicator used;

Two deaths indicators are used by all four nations in the UK to provide a full picture of both recent trends and the longer-term burden of the disease.

The indicators used to calculate daily death figures are:

the number of deaths in people with COVID-19 that occur within 28 days of a first positive laboratory-confirmed test. This is intended to provide a headline indicator of the immediate impact of recent epidemic activity. Deaths that occur more than 28 days after a positive test will not be included in this count.

the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a first positive test. Deaths that occur after 60 days will also be added to this figure if COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. This will provide a more complete measure of the burden of the disease over time.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/



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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 13:25

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wee eck, Sat 12 Dec 10:18

``Topic Originator: dander par like | nolike
Date: Fri 11 Dec 07:08

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CAPar, Fri 11 Dec 07:07

So far these are the people/things that are corrupt in the US election :
- MSM
- Voting machines
- Election observers
- Judges in lower courts
- The Democratic Party
- Leftists whatever they are

Things that are not corrupt:
- Donald Trump
- The Supreme Court (although I`m sure that will change if they refuse to hear/rule against these cases)

Sounds plausible.


U missed ccp``

The Supreme Court can now be added to the `corrupt` list after throwing out challenges to the election results in four states. And the FDA have given emergency approval to the Pfizer vaccine which Trump has welcomed apparently. Has he been corrupted as well?



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Only texas Supreme Court so far . I’m that confident joe Biden won’t be inaugurated that since nov 3rd . I’ve put 5x£100 bets on with mates/idiots who think he will . N will take some on here with funds going to the pars
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 13:38

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``Topic Originator: dander par like | nolike
Date: Fri 11 Dec 07:08

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CAPar, Fri 11 Dec 07:07

So far these are the people/things that are corrupt in the US election :
- MSM
- Voting machines
- Election observers
- Judges in lower courts
- The Democratic Party
- Leftists whatever they are

Things that are not corrupt:
- Donald Trump
- The Supreme Court (although I`m sure that will change if they refuse to hear/rule against these cases)

Sounds plausible.


U missed ccp``

The Supreme Court can now be added to the `corrupt` list after throwing out challenges to the election results in four states. And the FDA have given emergency approval to the Pfizer vaccine which Trump has welcomed apparently. Has he been corrupted as well?



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Only texas Supreme Court so far . I’m that confident joe Biden won’t be inaugurated that since nov 3rd . I’ve put 5x£100 bets on with mates/idiots who think he will . N will take some on here with funds going to the pars


I'm pretty sure there isn't a Texas Supreme court. Maybe I'm wrong.

The supreme court have rejected the Texan lawsuit.

The lawsuit, filed this week by the state of Texas, sought to invalidate results in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

But in a brief order rejecting the bid, the Supreme Court ruled on Friday that Texas did not have legal standing to bring the case.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 13:59

It was the US Supreme Court - which has a majority of Republican appointees - which rejected the appeals. You must have very deep pockets, dander par, to be betting on Biden not being inaugurated. The more likely explanation is that you are trolling.

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Date:   Sat 12 Dec 14:00

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wee eck, Sat 12 Dec 13:59

It was the US Supreme Court - which has a majority of Republican appointees - which rejected the appeals. You must have very deep pockets, dander par, to be betting on Biden not being inaugurated. The more likely explanation is that you are trolling.


No. But can I ask anyone why they would want China joe to be president?

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 14:11

How do you feel about Trump endorsing the vaccine Dander Par?


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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 14:29

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P, Sat 12 Dec 14:11

How do you feel about Trump endorsing the vaccine Dander Par?[/
Bleach or hydroxachloraquine ?
Wouldn’t imagine it ll be the Pfizer/gates one on his people
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 15:39

He has said in a video tweet that the Pfizer vaccine; “is one of the greatest scientific accomplishments in history.”

So yes Donald Trump has publicly and unequivocally endorsed the Pfizer vaccine - any thoughts on that Dander?


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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 12 Dec 17:35

In a 17-4 vote with one abstention, the government advisers concluded that the vaccine from Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech appears safe and effective for emergency use in adults and teenagers 16 and over.

Appears .... ooer Mrs

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 14 Dec 08:49

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Buspasspar, Sat 12 Dec 17:35

In a 17-4 vote with one abstention, the government advisers concluded that the vaccine from Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech appears safe and effective for emergency use in adults and teenagers 16 and over.

Appears .... ooer Mrs


It's how scientists express themselves when there isn't absolute certainty. When my pupils carried out an experiment, they would sometimes inform me that nothing happened and should they write "No reaction" in their write up. I would tell them to write "No visible reaction" and ask them to explain the difference.

On a different tack, today sees the start of vaccinations in Scotland's care homes. Given that some residents suffer from varying degrees of dementia and may be unable to decide for themselves, who decides whether they are vaccinated or not?



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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 14 Dec 09:10

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Buspasspar, Sat 12 Dec 17:35

In a 17-4 vote with one abstention, the government advisers concluded that the vaccine from Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech appears safe and effective for emergency use in adults and teenagers 16 and over.

Appears .... ooer Mrs


It's how scientists express themselves when there isn't absolute certainty. When my pupils carried out an experiment, they would sometimes inform me that nothing happened and should they write "No reaction" in their write up. I would tell them to write "No visible reaction" and ask them to explain the difference.

On a different tack, today sees the start of vaccinations in Scotland's care homes. Given that some residents suffer from varying degrees of dementia and may be unable to decide for themselves, who decides whether they are vaccinated or not?


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Date:   Mon 14 Dec 12:49

Power of attorney


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Topic Originator: thepars1968  
Date:   Mon 14 Dec 12:56

The individual makes the decision, unless they have been assessed as lacking mental capacity. Then it’s their attorney or health professional who can make a “best interest” decision.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 15 Dec 01:21

Watched Panorama tonight. All about the Oxford vaccine development. Very interesting and well worth watching

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 15 Dec 11:52

Pfizer boss allegedly not had the vaccine because he doesn't want to jump the queue...what a gent.

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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Tue 15 Dec 12:03

It is all about statistical confidence. Scientists will state a 95% confidence performance (or maybe higher if needed). In science there is never a “sure thing”. It is down to probability. In the case of this vaccine it is only ever based upon the “population” of the sample. (Population in this case is the number, not people). The population in the test is relatively limited in comparison to ALL the population. So if it was tested in 90K people then against the population of 7 billion people the subset is rather small. Therefore scientists look at the sample and lower their confidence levels as the subset is small.
So if you want a definite answer from a scientist then you will get your Boolean answer of NO!. That is the politicians and management decision. They will state it with these provisos to protect themselves. I expect it is somewhere in the small print.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 15 Dec 12:14

Did you watch Panorama last night, Rasta? Genuine question

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 15 Dec 12:49

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Rastapari, Tue 15 Dec 11:52

Pfizer boss allegedly not had the vaccine because he doesn't want to jump the queue...what a gent.


This was decided by an ethics committee not him. He also said he can't wait for his mother to get it.
If it's dodgy as you claim why would he give it to his own family?

Also if he did get it to show it was safe idiots like you would then claim it wasn't the real thing he got so there is no point doing it to create public confidence is there?

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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Tue 15 Dec 15:03

Bizarre how things come about and some things arent questioned but some things do. Someone somewhere started smoking a vape...no issue, seen as the next big thing, embraced by millions despite no idea of any short term or indeed long term effects of doing so. Inhaling directly into lungs etc. A group of medical professionals with all the resources in the world thrown at it given the impact yet people kick and scream that things arent safe.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 16 Dec 17:49

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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey like | nolike
Date: Tue 15 Dec 15:03

Bizarre how things come about and some things arent questioned but some things do. Someone somewhere started smoking a vape...no issue, seen as the next big thing, embraced by millions despite no idea of any short term or indeed long term effects of doing so. Inhaling directly into lungs etc. A group of medical professionals with all the resources in the world thrown at it given the impact yet people kick and scream that things arent safe.

Great point P.P. and I have thought about this subject every time I see the vape smokers blowing small chimney`s of smoke from their mouths
Its almost like a look at me... how good am I ...that I have stopped inhaling nicotine... but I am inhaling chemicals that will probably do me more harm than good long term
Apart from the Gummi Bear flavour :)

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 16 Dec 19:28

A lot of vapes are still nicotine. It's like saying you're no long addicted to alcohol because you've given up the beer and now only drink spirits.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Wed 16 Dec 19:40

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jake89, Wed 16 Dec 19:28

A lot of vapes are still nicotine. It's like saying you're no long addicted to alcohol because you've given up the beer and now only drink spirits.


Nicotine is what keeps you addicted. Probably doesn't cause cancers. It's the tar and other ingredients in cigarettes that cause the illnesses. The nicotine just keeps you addicted. It probably still isn't particularly good for you.

I understand there have been several concerns raised about vaping. It can't be that good for you to inhale water droplets into your lungs.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 16 Dec 20:31

I never have and never will understand the appeal of smoking. Each to their own but I mean.....it's got tar in it!

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 17 Dec 09:13

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sadindiefreak, Tue 15 Dec 12:49

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Rastapari, Tue 15 Dec 11:52

Pfizer boss allegedly not had the vaccine because he doesn't want to jump the queue...what a gent.


This was decided by an ethics committee not him. He also said he can't wait for his mother to get it.
If it's dodgy as you claim why would he give it to his own family?

Also if he did get it to show it was safe idiots like you would then claim it wasn't the real thing he got so there is no point doing it to create public confidence is there?


The same ethics committee that led to Pfizer being fined billions for harming kids?
Yeah, quite the beacon of integrity.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 18 Dec 09:27

Saddo, I would gave thought the Pfizer boss would take it to be safe from the deadly virus, not for a publicity stunt🤔
You know, to stay safe?

It's all gone a bit quiet, is it the nurses in intensive care from adverse reactions hot you lot spooked?

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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Fri 18 Dec 10:10

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Rastapari, Fri 18 Dec 09:27

Saddo, I would gave thought the Pfizer boss would take it to be safe from the deadly virus, not for a publicity stunt🤔
You know, to stay safe?

It's all gone a bit quiet, is it the nurses in intensive care from adverse reactions hot you lot spooked?


Several people I know have now had the first vaccine as they work in the NHS. All of them are absolutely fine. No adverse reactions so far. Most of them are now on day 3 to 5.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 18 Dec 10:31

Here is the story about the nurse from Alaska who has unfortunately seemingly taken a bad reaction to the vaccine.
-https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/16/hospital-worker-in-intensive-care-after-suffering-severe-allergic-reaction-to-covid-vaccine-13763695/-


Here is another story with the names and faces of some of the 200 front line NHS staff who have died from covid over the last few months.
-https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/nhs-workers-died-coronavirus-pandemic-19282916-



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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Fri 18 Dec 13:40

“US Vice President Mike Pence has received Pfizer’s new Covid vaccine live on TV, becoming the most powerful person in the world to do so”

They really are struggling for tv content in these Covid times


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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 18 Dec 19:59

I know a few people who have had it and they all suffered the same side effect - they can't stop talking about how they received the vaccine!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 18 Dec 22:11

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Rastapari, Fri 18 Dec 09:27

Saddo, I would gave thought the Pfizer boss would take it to be safe from the deadly virus, not for a publicity stunt🤔
You know, to stay safe?

It's all gone a bit quiet, is it the nurses in intensive care from adverse reactions hot you lot spooked?


You've still not answered my question?

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 03:43

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Rastapari, Fri 18 Dec 09:27

Saddo, I would gave thought the Pfizer boss would take it to be safe from the deadly virus, not for a publicity stunt🤔
You know, to stay safe?

It's all gone a bit quiet, is it the nurses in intensive care from adverse reactions hot you lot spooked?


Oh well done with the name calling. Changing my username to Saddo must make you so proud of yourself.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 09:26

It's understandable to be nervous about vaccinations, but please don't feed people unproven stories about the vaccine. It's fine to have an opinion, but please back it with facts (this applies on both sides).

It's amazing that despite all the published research, people still believe daft stories like that schools are breeding grounds for COVID. Michaela on Facebook, who refuses to wear a mask as it's against her human rights, and just spent the afternoon fighting her way through Primark to get a set of sequined unicorn pyjamas, calling for the schools to be closed because her pal Margaret told her that her pals, pals niece has had to isolate as a friend "got the COVID".
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 17:52

And that`s the schools into blended learning for two weeks after the new year holidays. Maybe Michaela on Facebook knows something afterall.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 20:49

Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.

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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 21:44

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Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49

Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.


What the hell does that post mean? Seriously.
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 21:56

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moviescot, Sat 19 Dec 21:44

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Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49

Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.


What the hell does that post mean? Seriously.


Good post Rasta
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 21:59

Word soup Rasta

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 22:51

And as if on request the usual retorts.
You cheapen yourselves whilst obtaining what?
A like, your next breath with a smile?
What a life you live, if only I could fly to such heights...

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 22:56

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Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 22:51

And as if on request the usual retorts.
You cheapen yourselves whilst obtaining what?
A like, your next breath with a smile?
What a life you live, if only I could fly to such heights...


Rasta are your family all excited about this massive family Christmas you're planning? Do they all agree with your take on Covid?

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 22:58

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da_no_1, Sat 19 Dec 22:56

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Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 22:51

And as if on request the usual retorts.
You cheapen yourselves whilst obtaining what?
A like, your next breath with a smile?
What a life you live, if only I could fly to such heights...


Rasta are your family all excited about this massive family Christmas you're planning? Do they all agree with your take on Covid?


Why do you assume massive?
A bit "headlineish" of you.
Bless, you remind me of me.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 19 Dec 23:06

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Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 22:58

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da_no_1, Sat 19 Dec 22:56

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Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 22:51

And as if on request the usual retorts.
You cheapen yourselves whilst obtaining what?
A like, your next breath with a smile?
What a life you live, if only I could fly to such heights...


Rasta are your family all excited about this massive family Christmas you're planning? Do they all agree with your take on Covid?


Why do you assume massive?
A bit "headlineish" of you.
Bless, you remind me of me.


Sorry I worded that wrong. Apologies.

I know that my dad who's vulnerable and shielded all summer is no more keen than I am to share a turkey on boxing day. So we're not. I'll stand on his patio like I've done for the last 9 months for half an hour. I'm not risking anything. Mock if you like

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 20 Dec 10:50

Whilst I agree with Rasta that this can't go on forever, it won't. Things will be much easier once the vulnerable are vaccinated. Right now all it would take would be for a member of the care staff to be exposed to someone infected in the community to take out half a care home. Same applies to visits. You may be feeling fine but be infectious. You go and see a parent or grandparent and suddenly they're on a ventilator. I realise this is the extreme, but people don't want to risk it.

For those comparing it to the flu - older and vulnerable people have been immunised against flu for years.

The good news is that we're not far off being able to immunise in care homes. Staff are being immunised right now but I'd imagine residents will receive the Moderna or Astra Zenica vaccine due to how the Pfizer one is stored.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 20 Dec 14:24

The vaccine is meant to really take effect a few weeks after the second dose.

You can still catch COVID after taking the vaccine however and advice remains to be social distancing and face coverings as you’d expect.

This is going to go on for a long time yet, wouldn’t be surprised if we’re still stuck in our houses this time next year.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 20 Dec 14:42

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Berry, Sun 20 Dec 14:24

The vaccine is meant to really take effect a few weeks after the second dose.

You can still catch COVID after taking the vaccine however and advice remains to be social distancing and face coverings as you’d expect.

This is going to go on for a long time yet, wouldn’t be surprised if we’re still stuck in our houses this time next year.


If that's the case then we're all fooked.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 20 Dec 20:41

It's already been stated way out wide open that the vaccine doesn't guarantee immunity from getting or passing.
So why not sit back and let the willing test it?
This is about protection, no?

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Topic Originator: steaua  
Date:   Sun 20 Dec 22:01

The care Home my Husband is in, the staff got their covid jags last Tuesday and the Residents last Wednesday. We were along seeing George yesterday and the carer was saying there wasn`t any problems with the residents. They get their second one on the 13th of January. My Husband was looking great yesterday.

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That's great to hear, Steaua.
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Sun 20 Dec 22:39

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Rastapari, Sun 20 Dec 20:41

It's already been stated way out wide open that the vaccine doesn't guarantee immunity from getting or passing.
So why not sit back and let the willing test it?
This is about protection, no?


Rasta give up it’s a lost cause . Although we are all pars fans
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 20 Dec 22:50

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BigJPar, Sun 20 Dec 21:57

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Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49

Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.


This is the ramblings of someone in a parallel universe.


Or just a dude with a little more imagination than someone as beige as you?
My god you're dull.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 21 Dec 06:42

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Rastapari, Sun 20 Dec 22:50

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BigJPar, Sun 20 Dec 21:57

Quote:

Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49

Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.


This is the ramblings of someone in a parallel universe.


Or just a dude with a little more imagination than someone as beige as you?
My god you're dull.


Finally we have it an admission that you're basing your points on imagination rather than evidence and facts. 🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 21 Dec 07:19

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sadindiefreak, Mon 21 Dec 06:42

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Rastapari, Sun 20 Dec 22:50

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BigJPar, Sun 20 Dec 21:57

Quote:

Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49

Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.


This is the ramblings of someone in a parallel universe.


Or just a dude with a little more imagination than someone as beige as you?
My god you're dull.


Finally we have it an admission that you're basing your points on imagination rather than evidence and facts. 🤣🤣🤣



Don't twist things.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Mon 21 Dec 09:30

My younger daughter is an NHS worker in Fife and is required to start a vaccination programme this week. Her first dose will be Pfizer but the second one, in a fortnight, is to be the grandly named Sputnik vaccine which was being snootily dismissed by the UK media a mere month ago. I assume Sputnik is easier to store thus a cheaper option, and I have noticed the anti-Putin rhetoric being dialled down in The Guardian the last two weeks.

Claims of 95% success rates with these vaccines is mighty impressive but hard to believe. Within the last 20 years the USA has recorded an average 40% success rate with its annual ‘flu vaccine which has to try and anticipate any likely mutations; some years the scientists are better able to do this than others. Those developing the Covid vaccine will surely face the same problem.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 21 Dec 09:54

Both the Pfizer and Sputnik vaccine claim over 90% effectiveness. I don`t know if this figure should be hard to believe or not but combining different types of vaccine seemingly improves their efficacy.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/11/oxford-covid-vaccine-to-be-combined-with-sputnik-jab-for-trial

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Topic Originator: CAPar  
Date:   Mon 21 Dec 16:10

Has the Sputnik vaccine been approved for use in the UK?

Only news I can see on it is that it's being combined in a trial with the Oxford vaccine, nothing about approval for use
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 21 Dec 18:13

Sputnik isn't approved yet, Sammer. It's more likely the Astra Zenica or Moderna one she'll receive.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Mon 21 Dec 20:01

Unless she is involved in a clinical trial for the vaccine.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Mon 21 Dec 22:16

Cheers everyone and thanks for comments. My daughter has been a midwife for over 20 years in Kirkcaldy so the chances are some of you might have met her.

She does have a sense pf humour but I don`t think she would knowingly give me false news. I will reply as soon as possible.

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Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Tue 22 Dec 06:33

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 22 Dec 07:38

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BigJPar, Tue 22 Dec 06:33

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Rastapari, Sun 20 Dec 22:50

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BigJPar, Sun 20 Dec 21:57

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Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49

Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.


This is the ramblings of someone in a parallel universe.


Or just a dude with a little more imagination than someone as beige as you?
My god you're dull.


I live in hope that if I read enough if your crazy ramblings, 1 day I too can be as crazy, interesting and cool as you.


Again casual references to mental health, actually quite overt, I bet you would cy too if I bit back.....typically. net.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Tue 22 Dec 09:33

Apologies if this has already been flagged up - no way was I going to reverse trawl through the earlier posts.

Get in line folks.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 22 Dec 10:04

I spoke to a nurse at my GP`s yesterday. She had received her first jab but had to go to Bathgate (from Edinburgh) to get it. She said they tried to organise vaccinations for everyone in the practice but were told each individual had to arrange his/her own jab.

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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Tue 22 Dec 12:09

That Omnicalculator is a really useful tool, VEE.

Credit where credit is due.

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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 22 Dec 14:23

To clear up from yesterday, after getting a job of Pfizer my daughter will receive her second vaccine on 18th January but she is not clear what that will be. Sputnik was mentioned to her as a possibility, being produced or adapted by a company called Astra Zeneca. The Moderna vaccine was also mentioned as a possibility. Apologies for over stating the situation.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 22 Dec 16:11

Don't be daft, sammer. No need to apologise. 🙂
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 15:07

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 15:22

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da_no_1, Tue 29 Dec 15:07

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?


Well the test is the same now as it was then so doubt we need a more up to date quote to confirm its unreliable overall

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 15:42

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 16:10

Jason Leitch responded to a question about testing large swathes of the population (Boris Johnson`s moonshot plan) and said the antigen test would be a bit rubbish when being used on large numbers for those not displaying symtoms.
He clarified his statement later on;

"That test doesn`t exist. It`s fiction. One day that test may well exist and it`s an excellent concept. So I said the present test for that purpose is rubbish and that`s what was reported. Of course the present test isn`t rubbish. Do you think we would be using it for six months if it didn`t work?"

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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 17:31

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 15:42

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.


The pcr test gives over 70% false positives n the country is in lockdown because of this .n you think it’s ok not to be accurate. What planet you on ?
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 17:44

The .net velocity of
Rasta post > debunked > dander shouts at moon

hits breakneck speed with the full cycle complete in under 3 hours 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼


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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 18:04

Good to see you back Dander. Still about half an hour till the game kicks off. What's the latest update on Trump winning the election?
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 18:16

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JTH123, Tue 29 Dec 18:04

Good to see you back Dander. Still about half an hour till the game kicks off. What's the latest update on Trump winning the election?


Jan 6 th 🇺🇸🎺🚄
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 18:18

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P, Tue 29 Dec 17:44

The .net velocity of
Rasta post > debunked > dander shouts at moon

hits breakneck speed with the full cycle complete in under 3 hours 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼


So you are happy with lockdown even when leitch is telling us that pcr isn’t accurate. Tier 5 tomorrow possibly
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 18:23

Excellent. I see the session is 1pm ET which is after I finish work. Need to get the popcorn in for that one. 👍
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 18:31

Quote:

dander par, Tue 29 Dec 17:31

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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 15:42

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.


The pcr test gives over 70% false positives n the country is in lockdown because of this .n you think it’s ok not to be accurate. What planet you on ?


The current false positive rate is estimated at between 0.8% and 4%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext
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Topic Originator: SAP PAR  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 20:13

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dander par, Tue 29 Dec 18:18

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P, Tue 29 Dec 17:44

The .net velocity of
Rasta post > debunked > dander shouts at moon

hits breakneck speed with the full cycle complete in under 3 hours 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼


So you are happy with lockdown even when leitch is telling us that pcr isn’t accurate. Tier 5 tomorrow possibly


FFS tier 4 is the highest tier so will be hard pushed to go to tier 5
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 21:29

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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 18:31

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dander par, Tue 29 Dec 17:31

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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 15:42

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.


The pcr test gives over 70% false positives n the country is in lockdown because of this .n you think it’s ok not to be accurate. What planet you on ?


The current false positive rate is estimated at between 0.8% and 4%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

Check the WHO Website

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 29 Dec 22:10

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dander par, Tue 29 Dec 21:29

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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 18:31

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dander par, Tue 29 Dec 17:31

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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 15:42

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.


The pcr test gives over 70% false positives n the country is in lockdown because of this .n you think it’s ok not to be accurate. What planet you on ?


The current false positive rate is estimated at between 0.8% and 4%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

Check the WHO Website


I'm not trawling through the WHO website trying to find info that you claim exists. Provide a link direct to the information like I did to the lancet which debunked your claim.
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Wed 30 Dec 03:41

I think he means a Dr Who website


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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Wed 30 Dec 07:13

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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 22:10

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dander par, Tue 29 Dec 21:29

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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 18:31

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dander par, Tue 29 Dec 17:31

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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 15:42

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.


The pcr test gives over 70% false positives n the country is in lockdown because of this .n you think it’s ok not to be accurate. What planet you on ?


The current false positive rate is estimated at between 0.8% and 4%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

Check the WHO Website


I'm not trawling through the WHO website trying to find info that you claim exists. Provide a link direct to the information like I did to the lancet which debunked your claim.


Anyone else I would post it but unfortunately the guy that cost the pars my subscription money and was going to get me investigated will have to do his own research or try kary Mullis the inventor of the pcr test

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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Wed 30 Dec 09:03

Can you post the WHO link for me, then?

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 30 Dec 09:20

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aaaaaaaaaargh, Wed 30 Dec 09:03

Can you post the WHO link for me, then?


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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Wed 30 Dec 09:39

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aaaaaaaaaargh, Wed 30 Dec 09:03

Can you post the WHO link for me, then?


😂😂ohh the banter
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 30 Dec 10:08

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dander par, Wed 30 Dec 09:39

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aaaaaaaaaargh, Wed 30 Dec 09:03

Can you post the WHO link for me, then?


😂😂ohh the banter


Cause there is no link.
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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Wed 30 Dec 13:05

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sadindiefreak, Wed 30 Dec 10:08

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dander par, Wed 30 Dec 09:39

Quote:

aaaaaaaaaargh, Wed 30 Dec 09:03

Can you post the WHO link for me, then?


😂😂ohh the banter


Cause there is no link.


Am no wanting investigated
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 31 Dec 08:00

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da_no_1, Tue 29 Dec 15:07

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?


Does it matter?
People are losing their livelihoods...some their lives because of this "bit rubbish" test.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 31 Dec 08:41

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Rastapari, Thu 31 Dec 08:00

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da_no_1, Tue 29 Dec 15:07

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?


Does it matter?
People are losing their livelihoods...some their lives because of this "bit rubbish" test.


It does matter actually. Findings and opinions change in 3 months.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 09:01

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da_no_1, Thu 31 Dec 08:41

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Rastapari, Thu 31 Dec 08:00

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 29 Dec 15:07

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53

Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.


Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?


Does it matter?
People are losing their livelihoods...some their lives because of this "bit rubbish" test.


It does matter actually. Findings and opinions change in 3 months.


But the test hasn't changed.
You really will accept anything this shower throw at you eh.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 12:22

Rasta you really need to try & stop being so confrontational. All I asked was whether his quote from 3 months ago had been updated as so much has changed over the last few weeks, never mind since September.

Not everyone is out to get you lad, believe it or not.



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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 12:25

Sitting waiting on my test result along with my wife, went to drive in at Glenrothes.

Daughter and son in law tested positive at start of this week!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 12:40

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da_no_1, Thu 7 Jan 12:22

Rasta you really need to try & stop being so confrontational. All I asked was whether his quote from 3 months ago had been updated as so much has changed over the last few weeks, never mind since September.

Not everyone is out to get you lad, believe it or not.



I know that, perhaps adjust the tone of your replies and I shall mine.
The testing is flawed.
Ok, so what's the endgame, live like this forever?
Watch football, music etc just die out so we have nothing but work....that's before we even get to family situations.
And please don't make casual references to mental illness, that doesn't apply here.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 12:42

Hope it goes well, LA.

We've had numerous tests in our family and they've come back next morning. I've heard they're taking longer just now as the Scottish labs are helping out with tests from down South as they can't cope.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 12:51

Rasta, on 29/12 you quoted Jason Leitch from September

"Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth"

All I asked was whether there was anything further to that as it was 3 months old

"Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?"

I know I can be a d1ck sometimes, but how does my reply above justify anything other than a straightforward reply?

Your latest "reply" - "You really will accept anything this shower throw at you eh."

As for the casual references to mental illness, what do you mean by that? Are you referring to the time I said someone was "aff their heed"?

Not that it matters a fk but I`m running 50 miles in January to raise money for MIND.

LA - my son went for a test yesterday morning & got a negative result later that evening, pretty impressive turnaround IMO. Best wishes to you all.



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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 14:28

Hope all goes well LA

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 14:46

Da so what's the end game, just being alive to work?
Like I've asked many times why aren't we talking about the most vulnerable being protected or protecting themselves?
I'm sorry but I want more than this for our children.
Unlike you I can't be bothered trawling through posts, mostly I respond in kind.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 15:05

Rasta for the 3rd & final time I`m not arguing with you regarding this. Not that I lose any sleep over it but you say some pretty harsh things about me, having never met me, and all I did was reply. Trust me I honestly don`t "trawl through posts" like you are claiming.

Anyway, I`m done with this convo as it doesn`t matter what I say, I seem to anger you.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 15:32

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da_no_1, Thu 7 Jan 15:05

Rasta for the 3rd & final time I`m not arguing with you regarding this. Not that I lose any sleep over it but you say some pretty harsh things about me, having never met me, and all I did was reply. Trust me I honestly don`t "trawl through posts" like you are claiming.

Anyway, I`m done with this convo as it doesn`t matter what I say, I seem to anger you.


Long way of saying you can't or won't answer but hey ho.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 15:48

Are you really asking me what my answer is to a global pandemic?

I can answer a few questions on The Chase most nights but I think that`s a bit out my reach lad!

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 16:50

I think most of us would agree that the answer is somewhere in between

A/ a complete lockdown where you can`t leave the house and tough luck on anyone with mental health issues or who lives alone and;

B/ Go about our daily business as usual, keep everything open and encourage people to wear masks, avoid each other`s space and wash/sanitise hands.


It`s clearly a very difficult balancing act - as evidenced by the fact that virtually no country seems to have got it absolutely right.

No amount of sniping back and forth is going to change that. Anyone taking their own life as they can`t see any other option is an absolute tragedy. Similarly, anyone losing their life to Covid, especially now, when a vaccine has started to roll out, is also a tragedy. Anyone who has to make the decisions as to how best to cater for everyone has my sympathy and best wishes in equal measure.

I don`t have an issue with the conspiracy theorists per se. It tends to be the tone taken that I do have an issue with. Somehow, if you`re adhering to the rules, you are some sort of sheep, unable to think for yourself. I think it`s disrespectful to those of us who know people who have died from Covid or those of us who know people in the front line of the NHS who are actually working with Covid patients and see how awful it is if it is caught by someone who`s body really struggles to fight it.

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 17:23

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Buspasspar, Thu 7 Jan 14:28

Hope all goes well LA


Well wife and I positive, no symptoms, last day out 1st January at my daughter's, who has also had a positive test.🤔

Strange times!😷
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 17:33

Hope it's a short illness, LA. Sounds like you're both weathering it well!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 17:41

Hope you both recover soon LA I did read a bit back that although this new strain is spreading faster it is not as severe as the first wave .... Hope they are correct
Take care and speedy recovery

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 21:58

So what's everyone's thoughts on the UK's "mix and match" approach to the vaccination?
Seems to split opinion...

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 22:06

I don`t really know about that one. I think it is likely to be just as safe as giving two doses of the same vaccine, and the worst case scenario will be that the second dose doesn`t really offer any additional protection.

As long as doing this doesn`t deprive anyone else of a vaccine then it could be a good idea. It might also help to reduce waste by using vaccines instead of throwing them away at the end of the day.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 22:18

There's a suggestion that just the one dose probably gives sufficient protection. The roll out for this winter (current) is going to be messy. Should be better organised for next year when I would expect it'll be primarily for vulnerable people as it is for flu.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 22:39

Funny...a few weeks ago it was critical timing...now that they can't get the thing out fast enough.. yeah...not critical anymore.
A amazing what people on here don't question....for instance...do they know how the vaccines react to each other?
Hey ho...on you go.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 23:12

I wouldn`t say I am not questioning it.

I just think that, from personal experience, it is probably safe to receive two different vaccines a few weeks apart.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 23:25

I draw cupboards for a living. Not sure I'm in a position to question the CMO about vaccinations.

And he can fk off if he tries to question whether I KD or dowel a unit together

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 23:29

It was the JCVI who made the decision on the vaccine period rather than CMO. Do I trust them? I trust them more than Michelle on Facebook who has suddenly become an expert on epidemiology.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 7 Jan 23:32

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jake89, Thu 7 Jan 23:29

It was the JCVI who made the decision on the vaccine period rather than CMO. Do I trust them? I trust them more than Michelle on Facebook who has suddenly become an expert on epidemiology.


Sorry I meant the dude who was on with Sturgeon today.

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Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 00:05

I`m happy to take a vaccine and it has already been said that we would not mix for second dose in Scotland.
I take the flu vaccine despite never having flu in my life although my wife got it a few times and once ended up in ICU with pneumonia caused by it.
Just showed me how serious it could get so take the vaccine as maybe the world can get a wee bit back to how it was.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 07:08

Don’t care just want to get it. As has already been pointed out it was announced days ago vaccines won’t be mixed in Scotland.

An observation though, complaining about lockdown while simultaneously scratching around for ways to undermine the roll out of the vaccine seems very counterintuitive.

Like it or not, agree or don’t it is very clear that vaccine deployment is the only way that restrictions are going to be eased in the long run so by all means decline yourself (and rely on others to provide the herd immunity that will in turn likely protect you) but don’t decry others for doing what they think is right for getting through this thing.


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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 09:22

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P, Fri 8 Jan 07:08

Don’t care just want to get it. As has already been pointed out it was announced days ago vaccines won’t be mixed in Scotland.

An observation though, complaining about lockdown while simultaneously scratching around for ways to undermine the roll out of the vaccine seems very counterintuitive.

Like it or not, agree or don’t it is very clear that vaccine deployment is the only way that restrictions are going to be eased in the long run so by all means decline yourself (and rely on others to provide the herd immunity that will in turn likely protect you) but don’t decry others for doing what they think is right for getting through this thing.


I'm not decrying anything, I'm saying go for it, please do in fact.
And for the avoidance of doubt I didn't read about mixing and matching vaccines from Sharon or Karen on facebook, the British Medical Journal has comment on it , was just wondering how you all felt about following the science...that isn't really being followed, that's all.

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 09:57

Has it not been stated by Nicola Sturgeon, in Holyrood, that the policy in Scotland is not to mix vaccines?



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 10:10

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n12

There is the BMJ article......

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 10:56

You've missed my point, Rasta.

Firstly, they are not mixing vaccines in Scotland.

Secondly, there is no evidence on whether or not mixing doses would work. It might work, it might not. However, I would trust medical professionals to make this call rather than the idiots on Facebook who do more harm than good with their fish wives tales. I wasn't suggesting you specifically follow people of Facebook. I was suggesting that me, personally, will listen to the professionals rather than Joe Bloggs. And that works for if the professionals highlight something that goes against what the government advise.

It's worth noting that on things such as the delay in the second dose, medical professionals didn't say this wouldn't work. They said they couldn't guarantee it as they hadn't tested it. Obviously they can't test the efficacy after 3 months because they have barely had the vaccine for 3 months! What they do advise is that a single dose offers 70 to 90% protection. So the reality is that it may transpire that one dose is enough or that at a single dose needs adapted to give better protection. I've no idea. I'm not a medical professional.

What's incredibly concerning is the amount of gibberish being shared on social media and reported in the media. The media has a clever trick of having a sensationalist headline and then explaining the reality in the story. The problem is that people see a headline like "Vaccine shortages" and that's all people read. They miss the bit where a government advisor states there are no shortages.

If we go back on the topic of mental health - my father in law is someone who has to shield due to age and underlying health conditions. Yesterday my mother-in-law was on the phone sounding royally fed up as he was miserable saying his life was over, may as well end it now, not enough vaccine, he'd be way down the list etc. This is the impact of reading the utter drivel shared on social media and the media in general. Yes, the likes of the Lancet and BMJ exist, but they are written for professionals. The average reading age in the UK is around 9 years of professional education (so 13/14). The majority of people will not be able to fully understand medical research pieces.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 11:09

The BMJ article seems fairly reasonable.
It looks like they are fine with mixing the vaccines but it shouldn`t be the standard of care and should only be used when the same vaccine isn`t available.

It is important to note that a lack of evidence of efficacy is very different from evidence of a lack of efficacy. The main reason that they don`t have evidence is because they haven`t looked for it yet.

The way I look at it, if they don`t have the correct 2nd dose vaccine to give to someone then they have three choices. Don`t vaccinate them, give them another vaccine, or postpone the vaccination. The second option doesn`t look any worse than the other two to me.

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Topic Originator: shrek par  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 14:11

Most of the vaccines will be administered by nurses. As the mixing of vaccines has not been tested and approved by clinical trials, any nurse administering a mix will be putting their NMC registration at risk and opening themselves to being struck off if any problems arise. Currently it is a hot topic of conversation and many will refuse to administer the second dosage of vaccine if it does not match the original type given.

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 15:01

BJ's father first in line, now getting his second jab!😷🤬🤬
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 16:33

Was at my daughter's on New Year day, 2 bubbles only, so within guidelines, we have child minding duties as my daughter is a teacher.

My daughter is convinced that the infection came from my 1year old grandson, when he attended nursery.
He was sent home because of diarrhoea, something track and trace say they are hearing more off in children.
Still no symptoms, absolutely frozen, feel like I've been beaten with a stick!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 16:43

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LochgellyAlbert, Fri 8 Jan 16:33

Was at my daughter's on New Year day, 2 bubbles only, so within guidelines, we have child minding duties as my daughter is a teacher.

My daughter is convinced that the infection came from my 1year old grandson, when he attended nursery.
He was sent home because of diarrhoea, something track and trace say they are hearing more off in children.
Still no symptoms, absolutely frozen, feel like I've been beaten with a stick!


Take care of yourself dude✌✊

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 16:54

Cheers Rasta!👍
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 16:58

Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert like | nolike
Date: Fri 8 Jan 15:01

BJ`s father first in line, now getting his second jab!😷🤬🤬

Scandalous ....Its before he flies off to France where he has applied for citizenship he said he has always felt he was French .... Well mangetout and take yer Son with you

Hope all goes well LA

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 17:06

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 17:37

+1 to the get well soon crew.

Hopefully you have a speedy recovery buddy.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 17:56

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Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 19:05

Yes LA I wish you a full and speedy recovery.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 19:22

Maybe if you turned the heating on the wife would stop hitting you with the broom handle, LA 😉

Hope your all feeling better soon.
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 8 Jan 21:48

I’ll be roond with a scrubbing brush and dettol LA 😘

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 10:11

Deaths within 28 days of taking the vaccine rising.

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 10:58

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Rastapari, Sat 9 Jan 10:11

Deaths within 28 days of taking the vaccine rising.


Yeah, I personally hope to avoid having to take the vaccine until its been properly tested, with long term data. Do you have data, Rasta
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 12:13

Deaths within 28 days of people who have not taken the vaccine are also rising. Unfortunately the vaccine doesn`t inoculate anyone against dying.

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 12:14

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Rastapari, Sat 9 Jan 10:11

Deaths within 28 days of taking the vaccine rising.


Can you provide any evidence whatsoever to show that people who have received the vaccine are dying due to receiving the vaccine?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 12:29

I've read of two people dying but neither has been directly linked to a vaccine. That's also two out of millions.

I just had a prawn sandwich. If I die today, will it be the fault of that prawn sandwich? It was reduced to being best of today.

Rasta, have you got any links to any data on this?
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Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 12:29

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sadindiefreak, Sat 9 Jan 12:14

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Rastapari, Sat 9 Jan 10:11

Deaths within 28 days of taking the vaccine rising.


Can you provide any evidence whatsoever to show that people who have received the vaccine are dying due to receiving the vaccine?


As long as there's one it's gone up. Over a million in the UK have had it, mostly elderly, and many more across the world. I expect it to be factually correct but utterly meaningless.

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 12:44

My mate has just sent me this on the numbers behind the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/?s=08
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 12:45

Apparently the number of people speaking Spanish within 28 days of getting the vaccine is rising. It was virtually zero before christmas and now it is in the hundreds of thousands.



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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 18:56

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buffy, Fri 8 Jan 21:48

I’ll be roond with a scrubbing brush and dettol LA 😘


As long as you've got your nurses uniform on!😷😎😘
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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 19:13

LochgellyAlbert do you live in Scotland?
No families should have met up on New Year’s Day as it was on Xmas day 2 could meet. My wee lads isolation was on Xmas day so no meeting up with family etc.





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Topic Originator: dander par  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 21:44

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EEP, Sat 09 Jan 19:13

LochgellyAlbert do you live in Scotland?
No families should have met up on New Year’s Day as it was on Xmas day 2 could meet. My wee lads isolation was on Xmas day so no meeting up with family etc.





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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 23:02

"No families should have met up on New Year’s Day as it was on Xmas day 2 could meet."

I don`t think that was necessarily the case EEP. If LAs daughter is the only adult in her household then she would have been able to form an extended household with LAs household.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 9 Jan 23:21

I see Liz and Phil have had their jabs. I hope they didn`t have to queue too long for them!

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 10 Jan 07:56

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sadindiefreak, Sat 9 Jan 12:14

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Rastapari, Sat 9 Jan 10:11

Deaths within 28 days of taking the vaccine rising.


Can you provide any evidence whatsoever to show that people who have received the vaccine are dying due to receiving the vaccine?


You have really read/got my post have you.
We count ANY death within 28 days of a covid test as covid.
Apply the same rules to the vaccine and it's not so safe looking is it? Numbers somewhat skewed eh.
However in saying that, more reports of deaths within a few days of getting the vaccine but hey it's ok because to be expected.
Maybe not relish if opportunity to have a go so much, you're desperate.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 10 Jan 07:58

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Thaipar, Sat 9 Jan 13:06

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jake89, Sat 9 Jan 12:29

I've read of two people dying but neither has been directly linked to a vaccine. That's also two out of millions.

I just had a prawn sandwich. If I die today, will it be the fault of that prawn sandwich? It was reduced to being best of today.

Rasta, have you got any links to any data on this?


Expect the usual. Do your own research. That's all the big man can spout.


Says the bitter wee Nyaff😂😂
I know all about you wee fella, not much liked amongst Pars fans bless.

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Topic Originator: Thaipar  
Date:   Sun 10 Jan 08:15

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Sun 10 Jan 13:34

Given there are 80,000 deaths in the UK from people diagnosed with Covid in the previous 4 weeks, it's clearly true that some of those people would have died whether they caught it or not.

That doesn't necessarily equate to the fact that it's not particularly serious or that the hospitals aren't bursting at the seams in places.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 10 Jan 13:51

That's why it's better to look at excess death figures.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Sun 10 Jan 14:40

There's issues with that figure too though.

The only fair comparison would be a hypothetical where one country locked down and the other did not - and then look at the differential. The problem being that no two countries, or their people, are identical.

I think most of us feel that the lockdowns are in some way effective when it comes to reducing transmission and subsequent death. It is kicking the can down the road, but that's the whole point, which will hopefully be vindicated with the roll out of the vaccines.

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Date:   Sun 10 Jan 19:38

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 10:46

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BigJPar, Sun 10 Jan 19:38

Our resident covid expert really does need to take a break.
Things are out of control in this country yet he's still spouting unproven nonsense.
Have you nothing better to do than repeat conspiracy theory rubbish?


Tell that to my six dead friends.

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Topic Originator: Thaipar  
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 15:26

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Thaipar, Tue 12 Jan 11:51

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Rastapari, Tue 12 Jan 10:46

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BigJPar, Sun 10 Jan 19:38

Our resident covid expert really does need to take a break.
Things are out of control in this country yet he's still spouting unproven nonsense.
Have you nothing better to do than repeat conspiracy theory rubbish?


Tell that to my six dead friends.


So your 6 dead friends died from unrelated causes to cóvid. And you still spout conspiracy.


No you little cretin, suicide, paused cancer treatments and a mates son overdosed and wasn't found for a time because of isolation.
You really are a complete dolt aren't you, shame we'll never meet in person because I'd love to see you being wide out from behind your keyboard.

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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 20:05

Now if I was admin a nice black card would be next to Thaipar!

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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 20:59

Thaipar all of what Rasta has said can be related to Covid if you have a wee think about it.
Honestly you really are a wee nasty bit of work tbh.

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 21:29

OK this current argument is in very bad taste... Can we move on please.
Remember.... We cannot close threads at the moment so if this nonsense goes any further we will delete the whole thread.
You have all been warned.


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Topic Originator: shrek par  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 21:45

Unbelievable , not having any of that at all. Some people never learn.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 21:50

Wow....
Yeah...
If y'all want a list of names, circumstances, methods etc, drop me a line.

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Topic Originator: shrek par  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 22:05

This is now dealt with, I'd appreciate more playing the ball rather than the man from now on.Some behaviours are beyond the pale.

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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 22:12

Glad that Thaipar has been deleted. Well done admin.
I don’t agree with some of Rastas comments etc but he comes across as a good lad.
Getting back on track the Mrs gets her 1st vaccine next week at the Queen Margaret Hospital..👍

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Topic Originator: shrek par  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 22:14

My missus got hers today(work related). Not grown a third leg or a sixth finger yet....

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 12 Jan 22:34

I may be contrary to popular leanings but in all honesty I live life experiencially, through my eyes and no one else's, I make no apology for that.
We all have our ways of viewing this current situation, it's been divisive and will continue to be so.

Personally I don't like to see a long standing member black carded, especially when they pay a contribution toward the club via live stream, if he can get that stream, good.

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Topic Originator: EEP  
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 10:04

And there we have it....vaccine passports for greater freedoms.
I did say this was coming, more or less making the rushed vaccine mandatory, we're on a slippery slope now.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 10:21

Who cares? I've absolutely nothing to hide so have no concerns

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 10:27

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da_no_1, Wed 13 Jan 10:21

Who cares? I've absolutely nothing to hide so have no concerns


Because vaccination should be a choice, not forced on people who are tightly wary of an untried technology.
What has it got to do with having anything to hide?

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 12:32

It is a choice; get the vaccine or curtail your activities to minimise risk until Covid is under control (if indeed that is how it will be used since I have not seen anything detailing what it will be used for).

Immunity passports have been around since the plague (wiki has an Italian one from 1722) it’s a modern entitlement attitude that it’s a choice not to have the vaccine but still expect the benefits that those vaccinated receive.

In more positive news England to move to 24/7 vaccinations as soon as possible. Hopefully Scotland follows suit.


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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 12:39

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P, Wed 13 Jan 12:32

It is a choice; get the vaccine or curtail your activities to minimise risk until Covid is under control (if indeed that is how it will be used since I have not seen anything detailing what it will be used for).

Immunity passports have been around since the plague (wiki has an Italian one from 1722) it’s a modern entitlement attitude that it’s a choice not to have the vaccine but still expect the benefits that those vaccinated receive.

In more positive news England to move to 24/7 vaccinations as soon as possible. Hopefully Scotland follows suit.


That's not a choice that's a command, for a vaccine that they admit changes nothing, you still have to distance, wear a mask and can still get and pass on covid.....
Wait, you're saying being allowed to see my family is an "entitlement"?
Wow, I'm sorry but that's weak.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 12:56

Where has it been said that vaccine passports will be used to stop you seeing your family? How would that even work, sorry Mum you can’t come in until you show me your vaccine certificate?

The only calls I have seen for vaccine passports has been in relation to international travel although realise there is every chance it could be used to give added freedom in regards to gathering in public places




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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 13:13

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P, Wed 13 Jan 12:56

Where has it been said that vaccine passports will be used to stop you seeing your family? How would that even work, sorry Mum you can’t come in until you show me your vaccine certificate?

The only calls I have seen for vaccine passports has been in relation to international travel although realise there is every chance it could be used to give added freedom in regards to gathering in public places


Now being mentioned in terms of shopping, fairly necessary, family contact, leisure activities and travel, that is in no way a choice.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 13:16

And u turn by the CDC, now saying healthy people don't need testing, of course the UK will reject that, cos boris and co know better.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 13:34

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P, Wed 13 Jan 12:56

Where has it been said that vaccine passports will be used to stop you seeing your family? How would that even work, sorry Mum you can’t come in until you show me your vaccine certificate?

The only calls I have seen for vaccine passports has been in relation to international travel although realise there is every chance it could be used to give added freedom in regards to gathering in public places


Now being mentioned in terms of shopping, fairly necessary, family contact, leisure activities and travel, that is in no way a choice.


Mentioned by who?

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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 13:35

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P, Wed 13 Jan 12:56

Where has it been said that vaccine passports will be used to stop you seeing your family? How would that even work, sorry Mum you can’t come in until you show me your vaccine certificate?


Rasta, I have a request. If you could just resist the temptation to sensationalise and not extend rational comments to mean something different my head would be far less likely to fall off through being overshaken. [Puts on the proverbial tin hat].
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Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 13:56

The UK is wary of making such things compulsory. More likely immunity passports will become necessary to access public life, which stops short of absolute compulsion. It would be like requiring an MOT certificate to make sure your car was roadworthy, although there is of course no requirement to own a car or drive one on a public highway.

Not that an MOT guarantees absolute truth of roadworthiness and can, I was once told, only be challenged legally for the day it was issued. You also have to cough up money every year to have an MOT renewed which is a nice earner for some garages. In 1960 when MOTs were introduced the test was quite basic and only cost £17 in today’s money. Covid Immunity Certificates, if introduced, would very likely follow a similar route, with the range of vaccines required by a citizen to prove good health increasing over the years.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 14:00

There are already vaccine passports. Have been for years.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 14:01

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sammer, Wed 13 Jan 13:56

The UK is wary of making such things compulsory. More likely immunity passports will become necessary to access public life, which stops short of absolute compulsion. It would be like requiring an MOT certificate to make sure your car was roadworthy, although there is of course no requirement to own a car or drive one on a public highway.

Not that an MOT guarantees absolute truth of roadworthiness and can, I was once told, only be challenged legally for the day it was issued. You also have to cough up money every year to have an MOT renewed which is a nice earner for some garages. In 1960 when MOTs were introduced the test was quite basic and only cost £17 in today’s money. Covid Immunity Certificates, if introduced, would very likely follow a similar route, with the range of vaccines required by a citizen to prove good health increasing over the years.


Or like, for example, a passport.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 13 Jan 15:05

Thaipar black carded (again) and not before time.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 09:13

I'll say only this, I genuinely hope the videos starting to seep through of people filming relatives adverse reactions to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines get debunked, if they don't, utterly horrendous.

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Date:   Thu 14 Jan 09:25

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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 10:03

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BigJPar, Thu 14 Jan 09:25

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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 09:13

I'll say only this, I genuinely hope the videos starting to seep through of people filming relatives adverse reactions to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines get debunked, if they don't, utterly horrendous.


Pretty sure they will be.


They already have been. Not saying there have been no allergic reactions because there have been. However, there are more reactions to the MMR vaccine then any covid vaccine.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 10:11

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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 09:13

I'll say only this, I genuinely hope the videos starting to seep through of people filming relatives adverse reactions to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines get debunked, if they don't, utterly horrendous.


Pretty sure they will be.


They already have been.


By whom and where?
Genuinely interested...

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 10:26

The videos from a Brant Griner of his mother, again genuinely interested, that been debunked yet?

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 10:43

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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 10:26

The videos from a Brant Griner of his mother, again genuinely interested, that been debunked yet?


It's already out there. Find it yourself 😉

Only kidding. All vaccines have reactions in some cases. So far (note SO FAR), instances are low.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 10:51

Well a couple hours after posting the video on twitter he admitted it that it isn`t his own mother so if he felt the need to lie about that detail I do wonder about the veracity of the rest of his claim.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jos1963/status/1349355767187595265

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 10:52

Rasta - you seem very selective about what you take heed of & what you believe to be true on the internet.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 10:55

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Rasta - you seem very selective about what you take heed of & what you believe to be true on the internet.


No I was genuinely interested if it had been debunked was all.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 11:20

The vaccine doesn't stop transmission, doesn't stop you getting the virus, doesn't negate social distancing or the need for a mask, in fact going by the news it doesn't change much at all.

So with that in mind, from our own beloved scientists, why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?
And just what is it 95% effective in doing?
We know it's 100% effective in making money but going by the UK media and government scientists I'm just not hearing many benefits?

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 11:43

Yep you`ll still need to socially distance and wear a mask where and when appropriate once the vaccine has been delivered as it doesn`t kick in immediately. It takes several weeks for it to be effective. By effective it means quite often in lessening the severity of the symptoms and while few vaccines can completely stop transmission trials of the covid vaccines suggest they do reduce the ability of the virus to travel between humans.
A far better explanation of it all here
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccines-questions-social-distance-mask-transmission

As for a healthy person getting the jab who has little to fear from a harmful case of covid (other than life having a habit of punishing such hubris) is that healthy people getting the vaccine means that those who can`t get it due to medical reasons (repressed imuune systems due to cancer treatments, transplant patients, etc) have less chance of catching it from others.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 11:48

"why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?"

Where do these people live? The moon?

I think I`m now at the point where I`m giving up with you. You have previously listed the friends & relatives you know that are/have unfortunately suffering/suffered from depression & cancer amongst other horrible conditions but no-one you know has caught or is currently ill with Covid?

I hope & pray that this remains the case.

It looks like there is no reasoning with you. You won`t take the vaccine for whatever reasons (most of them internet based), so I suppose you will take the risk that you could catch Covid but it won`t harm you or you friends & family too seriously. That`s fair enough. What I really don`t care for is you trying to persuade others to follow your lead. Attitudes like yours will help to ensure we are stuck with this fkn virus & lockdowns forever.

So on behalf of everyone who wants to get back to some sort of normality, I thank you.



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 12:03

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da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 11:48

"why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?"

Where do these people live? The moon?

I think I`m now at the point where I`m giving up with you. You have previously listed the friends & relatives you know that are/have unfortunately suffering/suffered from depression & cancer amongst other horrible conditions but no-one you know has caught or is currently ill with Covid?

I hope & pray that this remains the case.

It looks like there is no reasoning with you. You won`t take the vaccine for whatever reasons (most of them internet based), so I suppose you will take the risk that you could catch Covid but it won`t harm you or you friends & family too seriously. That`s fair enough. What I really don`t care for is you trying to persuade others to follow your lead. Attitudes like yours will help to ensure we are stuck with this fkn virus & lockdowns forever.

So on behalf of everyone who wants to get back to some sort of normality, I thank you.



You are exactly right, not seen anyone come to harm from covid, that's a fact.
Oh so you're blaming me for your lockdown yeah?
How very weak of you, how about you take responsibility for yourself, you think I'm not locked down or following the rules?
I'm just asking what the benefits to me are of taking the vaccine.
How cheap to blame everyone else like a good little Tory, you think by playing along you're going to get your freedoms back eh?
From this lot?
What do you base that on, their integrity?
Previous form?
You've not caused one pang of guilt here.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 12:42

Rasta, low risk people may NOT be vaccinated. The judgement on that will be made based on science and data. The priority just now is vaccinating those most vulnerable. So, as I've mentioned on here before, most people on this forum are likely at the bottom of the pile in terms of receiving it.

You could compare this to the flu vaccination programme. Older people and people with conditions like asthma and diabetes are more at risk so get this annually. The rest of us get it if we want to give Lloyds a tenner.

There's a lot of talk about travel rules but, to my knowledge, no country has set long term plans to say someone needs evidence of vaccination to enter a country.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 12:44

Source of above statement about potentially not being vaccinated is Nicola Steadman (DCMO). She won't know yet either though.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 12:56

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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 12:03

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"why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?"

Where do these people live? The moon?

I think I`m now at the point where I`m giving up with you. You have previously listed the friends & relatives you know that are/have unfortunately suffering/suffered from depression & cancer amongst other horrible conditions but no-one you know has caught or is currently ill with Covid?

I hope & pray that this remains the case.

It looks like there is no reasoning with you. You won`t take the vaccine for whatever reasons (most of them internet based), so I suppose you will take the risk that you could catch Covid but it won`t harm you or you friends & family too seriously. That`s fair enough. What I really don`t care for is you trying to persuade others to follow your lead. Attitudes like yours will help to ensure we are stuck with this fkn virus & lockdowns forever.

So on behalf of everyone who wants to get back to some sort of normality, I thank you.



You are exactly right, not seen anyone come to harm from covid, that's a fact.
Oh so you're blaming me for your lockdown yeah?
How very weak of you, how about you take responsibility for yourself, you think I'm not locked down or following the rules?
I'm just asking what the benefits to me are of taking the vaccine.
How cheap to blame everyone else like a good little Tory, you think by playing along you're going to get your freedoms back eh?
From this lot?
What do you base that on, their integrity?
Previous form?
You've not caused one pang of guilt here.


Rasta. You are a very lucky person not to have known anyone who has had covid.
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Topic Originator: charlie1  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 13:04

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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 12:03

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da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 11:48

"why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?"

Where do these people live? The moon?

I think I`m now at the point where I`m giving up with you. You have previously listed the friends & relatives you know that are/have unfortunately suffering/suffered from depression & cancer amongst other horrible conditions but no-one you know has caught or is currently ill with Covid?

I hope & pray that this remains the case.

It looks like there is no reasoning with you. You won`t take the vaccine for whatever reasons (most of them internet based), so I suppose you will take the risk that you could catch Covid but it won`t harm you or you friends & family too seriously. That`s fair enough. What I really don`t care for is you trying to persuade others to follow your lead. Attitudes like yours will help to ensure we are stuck with this fkn virus & lockdowns forever.

So on behalf of everyone who wants to get back to some sort of normality, I thank you.



You are exactly right, not seen anyone come to harm from covid, that's a fact.
Oh so you're blaming me for your lockdown yeah?
How very weak of you, how about you take responsibility for yourself, you think I'm not locked down or following the rules?
I'm just asking what the benefits to me are of taking the vaccine.
How cheap to blame everyone else like a good little Tory, you think by playing along you're going to get your freedoms back eh?
From this lot?
What do you base that on, their integrity?
Previous form?
You've not caused one pang of guilt here.


Maybe you need to talk to people who work in acute hospitals to understand the real consequences of Covid!!!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 13:16

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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 12:03

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da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 11:48

"why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?"

Where do these people live? The moon?

I think I`m now at the point where I`m giving up with you. You have previously listed the friends & relatives you know that are/have unfortunately suffering/suffered from depression & cancer amongst other horrible conditions but no-one you know has caught or is currently ill with Covid?

I hope & pray that this remains the case.

It looks like there is no reasoning with you. You won`t take the vaccine for whatever reasons (most of them internet based), so I suppose you will take the risk that you could catch Covid but it won`t harm you or you friends & family too seriously. That`s fair enough. What I really don`t care for is you trying to persuade others to follow your lead. Attitudes like yours will help to ensure we are stuck with this fkn virus & lockdowns forever.

So on behalf of everyone who wants to get back to some sort of normality, I thank you.



You are exactly right, not seen anyone come to harm from covid, that's a fact.
Oh so you're blaming me for your lockdown yeah?
How very weak of you, how about you take responsibility for yourself, you think I'm not locked down or following the rules?
I'm just asking what the benefits to me are of taking the vaccine.
How cheap to blame everyone else like a good little Tory, you think by playing along you're going to get your freedoms back eh?
From this lot?
What do you base that on, their integrity?
Previous form?
You've not caused one pang of guilt here.


Maybe you need to talk to people who work in acute hospitals to understand the real consequences of Covid!!!


Or maybe live my life how I experience it,not you or anyone else, yeah?
Oh I know a person who has had it, came to no harm, thing is I don't know anyone linked to any friend where covid has been remotely harmful and I know quite a lot of people.
Sorry I don't live my life through other people, just me.

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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 13:38

If you only live your life as you see it why are you raising concerns about some bloke posting made-up videos about a fictitious mum?
You seem to be prepared to believe anything unless it comes from a mainstream source.
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 14:10

Here’s some info on the dangers of the vaccine based on what is known in US.

Seems the vaccine in much more dangerous than the flu vaccine but less dangerous than eating food

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2021/01/what-data-show-allergic-reactions-covid-vaccines-cvd/

I don’t get Rastas motivations really as clearly distressed about personal experiences of tragic collateral damage caused by the Covid circus but while the vaccine is clearly the only way out he still looks to undermine it at every turn despite this being the route to reducing the chances of the same thing happening in the future 🤷🏻‍♂️.

By all means don’t get it but surely there are more pertinent questions to be asked like what are the actual planned roll out dates by grouping (and contingency planning), what needs to be seen to happen in response to the vaccine and then what is the plan for getting us out of restrictions, why do they seem to be looking at vaccination centre options now, surely they knew vaccine was coming and had scenario planned roll out options.

We should have evidence that the Gov are not making it all up on the hoof, they could caveat everything to the hilt but there is a refusal to treat us like adults.

It’s a massive project, there has to be a plan, there has to be expected results and there has to be expected benefits and these must all be tracked somewhere.




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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 14:21

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If you only live your life as you see it why are you raising concerns about some bloke posting made-up videos about a fictitious mum?
You seem to be prepared to believe anything unless it comes from a mainstream source.


Do try reading, I asked if it had been debunked, I wasn't prepared to believe it, yeah?
Sit down.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 14:25

P my motivation is looking after my own health and those around me, I have in fact in this thread encouraged those who want the vaccine to go get it.
So we're already being told that taking the vaccine and risking, albeit minimall, adverse reactions, I simply ask why take that risk when the risk of covid on my generally healthy body is equally if not more so minimal?
And this looking to blame anyone that questions, really, what about all those choosing to get on a plane with 2 or hundred other people, selfish, no?

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 14:43

Sorry don’t understand the plane reference so I’ve probably misunderstood

However answer to your comment on why would a healthy person take it the answer would be it would train their immune systems to fight the virus so they don't become sick. Young healthy people do have serious illness through Covid so not getting sick sounds a good thing.




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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 14 Jan 14:52

I'm heading to the Western General on Wednesday to get my Pfizer first dose.

It will be a relief to be honest and my colleagues who had it in the past few weeks are all still perfectly fine.


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