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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 2 Dec 12:35
Will be rolled out next week in Scotland. Brilliant news. 21 to 28 days between your 1st and second vaccination.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 2 Dec 18:13
I will wait a bit to see how it goes thanks
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 2 Dec 19:04
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 2 Dec 18:13
I will wait a bit to see how it goes thanks
Oooh....I get called names for that patter😂
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 2 Dec 19:51
Hardly anyone posting on here would be eligible until a lot later into 2021 anyway.
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Wed 2 Dec 19:52
Quote:
jake89, Wed 02 Dec 19:51
Hardly anyone posting on here would be eligible until a lot later into 2021 anyway.
Are you kidding? It’s like gods waiting room in here 😂
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 2 Dec 20:02
Quote:
allparone, Wed 2 Dec 19:52
Quote:
jake89, Wed 02 Dec 19:51
Hardly anyone posting on here would be eligible until a lot later into 2021 anyway.
Are you kidding? It’s like gods waiting room in here 😂
🤐😂
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 2 Dec 20:06
I'm 49 and very interested to find out when my very close family members who are vulnerable will be vaccinated. 9 very worrying months for us.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 2 Dec 20:14
What if the enemy have big guns .....send the jocks in first
What if the poll tax does not work.....try it on the Jocks first
What if Council tax does not work.....try it on the Jocks first
What if the vaccine does not work ....try it on the Jocks first
All tongue in cheek before the big hitters respond :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 2 Dec 22:03
Quote:
jake89, Wed 2 Dec 19:51
Hardly anyone posting on here would be eligible until a lot later into 2021 anyway.
I disagree. This will be done by Easter for everyone.
20 million vaccines already to go.
Government's will pump cash into getting this done ASAP.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 3 Dec 00:34
If anyone wants to wait until they see how it pans out....I'll happily take your slot.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 3 Dec 06:26
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 03 Dec 00:34
If anyone wants to wait until they see how it pans out....I'll happily take your slot.
You can have mine . I’ll trust my immune system against a man made virus with a 99% survival rate
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 07:26
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 3 Dec 00:34
If anyone wants to wait until they see how it pans out....I'll happily take your slot.
You can have mine, more chance of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath high street than dying of covid.
All of a sudden, invertebrates everywhere.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 3 Dec 08:20
It is perfectly understandable that some folk are wary of rushing to take up the offer of a brand new vaccine. There are lots of unanswered questions such as what might the long term side effects be?
Having said that, it's difficult to see how else we're going to beat this virus quickly. Without mass vaccinations, it could be even be around permantly, in much the same way as influenza and the common cold.
I was a smoker until some 30 years ago. I think that probably posed a greater risk to my health than a vaccine consisting of a modified genetic molecule which has been shown to stimulate our immune system.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 3 Dec 08:34
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 2 Dec 22:03
Quote:
jake89, Wed 2 Dec 19:51
Hardly anyone posting on here would be eligible until a lot later into 2021 anyway.
I disagree. This will be done by Easter for everyone.
20 million vaccines already to go.
Government's will pump cash into getting this done ASAP.
Unlikely to be done by Easter. If your talking by April 4th based on 40m adults that will mean vaccinating 15000 a day. That is challenging to say the least
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 3 Dec 08:36
I think you are correct G.G. in that it will be a permanent virus
It will pop up in a slightly different guise yearly and vaccination will be required similar to the flu system we have at present
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 3 Dec 08:38
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 03 Dec 08:20
It is perfectly understandable that some folk are wary of rushing to take up the offer of a brand new vaccine. There are lots of unanswered questions such as what might the long term side effects be?
Having said that, it's difficult to see how else we're going to beat this virus quickly. Without mass vaccinations, it could be even be around permantly, in much the same way as influenza and the common cold.
I was a smoker until some 30 years ago. I think that probably posed a greater risk to my health than a vaccine consisting of a modified genetic molecule which has been shown to stimulate our immune system.
It’s all part of the plan create the fear . Then come along with the solution so people are begging for it so they think they can get back to normal. It won’t return to normal if gates gets his way . 🇺🇸🎺
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 3 Dec 09:15
"You can have mine, more chance of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath high street than dying of covid."
Ignorance on a stunning scale.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 3 Dec 10:17
The only reason the U.K. are doing this first is because they are worried about supply chain/Logistics come Jan 1st.
Gavin Williamson’s comment that we are getting this first is “ Because we are a much better country” is utterly astounding but then again maybe not coming from him the same guy when defence secretary- yes an ex fireplace salesman - told Putin to “ Just go away “ .What a tool he is, mind you he is in good company with the rest of them.
I am not an anti Vaxxer but I will pass on this if offered.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 3 Dec 10:39
Pfizer have re-iterated that they expect no disruption to the rollout of their vaccine to the UK after Brexit.
Supplier says no disruption expected. Customer says no disruption expected.
.net experts ignore that and refuse a vaccine but in the same sentence say they're not anti-vaxxers.
😁
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Thu 03 Dec 10:40)
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 3 Dec 10:47
"Gavin Williamson’s comment that we are getting this first is “ Because we are a much better country” is utterly astounding"
Yeah much better country at buying a German/Turkish vaccine...So proud to be British.
Hull is one of the worst impacted areas at the moment in terms of cases. whats the result? Ahhh we wont put a vaccine centre there.
Post Edited (Thu 03 Dec 10:47)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 3 Dec 10:54
This from Aunty :-
Prof Jonathan Van-Tam
He expects US and European regulators to approve the Pfizer vaccine in "not very many days"
The logistics of the vaccine means that it`s "not viable" to take it into individual homes if people are housebound
He`s "hopeful" the Oxford University vaccine will be approved before Christmas, although that decision is in the hands of the UK`s regulators
For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer
On hugs, he says the vaccine may not give everyone "complete protection" so social distancing rules should still be followed
The government may look at a jobs-based priority list once the care home/age/clinical need priority list has been worked through
On vaccine certificates, he says there are “definite plans” to make sure we know who`s had the vaccine, but could not give a firm answer on certificates
The vaccine should not be given to pregnant women because there`s no data on its effect yet
The vaccine should give protection for "quite a few months as an absolute minimum - and it could be longer"
And Father Christmas will be front of the queue to get the vaccine (He`s been made a special case by the JCVI)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 3 Dec 11:19
A Tory MP in charge of distribution, what could go wrong?🤔🤡🤡🤡
Least it's not failing Grayling, though I think he's in charge of one of the Ports!🚣♂️🚣♂️🚣♂️
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 3 Dec 12:57
Joking aside, most on here will be back of the queue. For the next few months you'll only be getting it if you're a healthcare or social care worker or are vulnerable through age or illness.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 3 Dec 13:23
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 3 Dec 10:54
This from Aunty :-
Prof Jonathan Van-Tam
He expects US and European regulators to approve the Pfizer vaccine in "not very many days"
The logistics of the vaccine means that it`s "not viable" to take it into individual homes if people are housebound
He`s "hopeful" the Oxford University vaccine will be approved before Christmas, although that decision is in the hands of the UK`s regulators
For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer
On hugs, he says the vaccine may not give everyone "complete protection" so social distancing rules should still be followed
The government may look at a jobs-based priority list once the care home/age/clinical need priority list has been worked through
On vaccine certificates, he says there are “definite plans” to make sure we know who`s had the vaccine, but could not give a firm answer on certificates
The vaccine should not be given to pregnant women because there`s no data on its effect yet
The vaccine should give protection for "quite a few months as an absolute minimum - and it could be longer"
And Father Christmas will be front of the queue to get the vaccine (He`s been made a special case by the JCVI)
Ree pregnant women. Very very few drugs are given to them. No change then with this vaccine. I'm pleased father Christmas will be ok. 😜
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 3 Dec 13:26
For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer
Have we passed a vaccine without knowing whats in it ??
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 13:49
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 3 Dec 09:15
"You can have mine, more chance of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath high street than dying of covid."
Ignorance on a stunning scale.
And yet statistically true, want to know who gave me that stat?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 13:50
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 3 Dec 13:26
For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer
Have we passed a vaccine without knowing whats in it ??
Yes we have, Dominic Cummings didn't get rid of regulations for nothing...but hey just a conspiracy theory no doubt eh.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 3 Dec 13:54
I`d be interested to know what the chances of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath High Street are.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 14:03
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 3 Dec 13:54
I`d be interested to know what the chances of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath High Street are.
According to a scottish government stats guy....about 98.2 % chance of not meeting one, up there with your chances of perishing with covid😂
Hey it was just a laugh but the stat was generated using the in place formulae.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Saltire
Date: Thu 3 Dec 14:30
"And yet statistically true, want to know who gave me that stat?"
same person that arrested Cliff Richard? lets be serious you have a track record of being serially wrong on here when it comes to conspiracy theories.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 15:15
Quote:
Saltire, Thu 3 Dec 14:30
"And yet statistically true, want to know who gave me that stat?"
same person that arrested Cliff Richard? lets be serious you have a track record of being serially wrong on here when it comes to conspiracy theories.
Oh really?
Two weeks to flatten the curve, now vaccine passports, no vaccine no entry being talked about openly.
Kitty's day will come.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:12
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 3 Dec 07:26
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 3 Dec 00:34
If anyone wants to wait until they see how it pans out....I'll happily take your slot.
You can have mine, more chance of meeting a lion in Cowdenbeath high street than dying of covid.
All of a sudden, invertebrates everywhere.
Actually im more concerned with catching it and passing it on to someone who may die. I would also like to visit my kids and grandkids, and the risk involved with taking this weighs heavily in favour of doing so.
Did you call me spineless.
I'll resist retalliating. These posts are messy enough without more abuse getting hurled about.
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Topic Originator: Saltire
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:19
exactly PARrot. The level headed ones are clearly just happy to accept Bill gates inserting us with SIM cards whilst those with a track record of "proof" are the ones who are again in the know. Expert in infectious diseases, pandemic management, spare time paedophile hunter. Maybe should use the skills to cultivate our own vaccine and create the "Peckham spring" of Covid medicines.
Maybe if Rata had seen the damage caused to some peoples friends/families would maybe understand the damage it causes.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:19
Isn`t it quite common to be required to have evidence of vaccinations before entering some countries?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:30
I`m going to hazard a guess and say at no time in the last 12 months (and probably last 12 years) has anyone on any high street in Scotland encountered a lion. Yet in the last 6 months thousands have died with covid. Maybe some of the more savvy with a search engine can find that quote from this stat expert.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:31
Breaking News...
1,590,000 people meet lions on Cowdenbeath High Street this year.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:34
``I think you are correct G.G. in that it will be a permanent virus
It will pop up in a slightly different guise yearly and vaccination will be required similar to the flu system we have at present``.
I don`t think `flu vaccination s required at present; merely recommended for older citizens? I`m not aware of any need to carry a `flu certificate either. If the Pfizer vaccination is purely voluntary and not used as a means of deciding who can or cannot socially interact then there should be no problem.
If it used to divide citizens into two distinct groups then it will do more harm than good.
sammer
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:35
No vaccine, no travel. For sure.
And if you continue to refuse the vaccine, you can add to that, no dole... no child allowance... no pension... no disability allowance etc.
The Government will get you eventually Rasta.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:39
Quote:
OzPar, Thu 3 Dec 16:35
No vaccine, no travel. For sure.
And if you continue to refuse the vaccine, you can add to that, no dole... no child allowance... no pension... no disability allowance etc.
The Government will get you eventually Rasta.
So in other words...mandatory....who would have thought.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:40
Quote:
desparado, Thu 03 Dec 10:17
The only reason the U.K. are doing this first is because they are worried about supply chain/Logistics come Jan 1st.
Gavin Williamson’s comment that we are getting this first is “ Because we are a much better country” is utterly astounding but then again maybe not coming from him the same guy when defence secretary- yes an ex fireplace salesman - told Putin to “ Just go away “ .What a tool he is, mind you he is in good company with the rest of them.
I am not an anti Vaxxer but I will pass on this if offered.
Is it not that they (gates) knows his game is coming to an end 🇺🇸🎺
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:42
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 03 Dec 13:26
For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer
Have we passed a vaccine without knowing whats in it ??
Yes and there will be no liability for these companies 🤔
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Topic Originator: Saltire
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:43
Yellow Fever requires a vaccine before travel.
Does that Lion only Kill you if standing in Partners or is it busy at the Junction Bar end while tats kicking about?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:44
99.8 - 99.8
Spot the difference in the two numbers.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 3 Dec 16:45
Quote sammer :-
I don`t think `flu vaccination s required at present; merely recommended for older citizens?
sammer perhaps required was the wrong word I meant it as an ongoing system to protect the elderly
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 3 Dec 17:05
Understood BPP,
But maybe the word `required` is in the air and is what troubles the likes of Danderpar, Ratapari and myself. I can appreciate that vaccination may be required for certain occupations- I think my daughter requires one to work as a midwife- and certain countries require evidence of inoculation or being HIV-free before you can enter.
However that is very different from being asked to show a Covid certificate before being allowed entry to a public building or public bar.
sammer
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 17:14
Quote:
sammer, Thu 3 Dec 17:05
Understood BPP,
But maybe the word `required` is in the air and is what troubles the likes of Danderpar, Ratapari and myself. I can appreciate that vaccination may be required for certain occupations- I think my daughter requires one to work as a midwife- and certain countries require evidence of inoculation or being HIV-free before you can enter.
However that is very different from being asked to show a Covid certificate before being allowed entry to a public building or public bar.
Mandatory by proxy.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 3 Dec 18:05
You do realise that the mandatory vaccine to go to the pub is nonsense don’t you? You sheep really shouldn’t believe everything Karen on Facebook and Ken on YouTube tell you.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 18:46
Quote:
P, Thu 3 Dec 18:05
You do realise that the mandatory vaccine to go to the pub is nonsense don’t you? You sheep really shouldn’t believe everything Karen on Facebook and Ken on YouTube tell you.
When they categorically rule it out...and I'm not talking about "we're not thinking of doing that now" or "there are no plans to" you know, the usual political double speak...when time proves it, I'll believe it.
All of what you have mentioned is talked about openly on the BBC.
Do stop hiding behind lazy insults, believe me, they insult you more than I.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Thu 03 Dec 18:47)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 3 Dec 18:52
Tobias Ellwood, MP, was not on Facebook but speaking in the House of Commons earlier this week. He advocated compulsory vaccination to be carried out by the armed forces across Britain. He also suggested a two tier form of citizenship, with those not being vaccinated subject to restricted social interaction.
He’s clearly been told to shut up since then but whether that is because, as a Tory, he is understandably excited at the idea of the army patrolling the streets or because he has let the cat out of the bag is not clear.
sammer
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 3 Dec 19:08
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 3 Dec 18:46
Quote:
P, Thu 3 Dec 18:05
You do realise that the mandatory vaccine to go to the pub is nonsense don’t you? You sheep really shouldn’t believe everything Karen on Facebook and Ken on YouTube tell you.
When they categorically rule it out...and I'm not talking about "we're not thinking of doing that now" or "there are no plans to" you know, the usual political double speak...when time proves it, I'll believe it.
All of what you have mentioned is talked about openly on the BBC.
Do stop hiding behind lazy insults, believe me, they insult you more than I.
Lazy insults are your specialised subject lad 😁🙈
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 3 Dec 19:13
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 3 Dec 16:44
99.8 - 99.8
Spot the difference in the two numbers.
No difference, you or some other conspiracy theory genius made both of them up.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 19:50
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 3 Dec 19:13
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 3 Dec 16:44
99.8 - 99.8
Spot the difference in the two numbers.
No difference, you or some other conspiracy theory genius made both of them up.
You really have missed my point.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 19:51
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 3 Dec 19:08
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 3 Dec 18:46
Quote:
P, Thu 3 Dec 18:05
You do realise that the mandatory vaccine to go to the pub is nonsense don’t you? You sheep really shouldn’t believe everything Karen on Facebook and Ken on YouTube tell you.
When they categorically rule it out...and I'm not talking about "we're not thinking of doing that now" or "there are no plans to" you know, the usual political double speak...when time proves it, I'll believe it.
All of what you have mentioned is talked about openly on the BBC.
Do stop hiding behind lazy insults, believe me, they insult you more than I.
Lazy insults are your specialised subject lad 😁🙈
On the contrary, I'll openly cal people names albeit in response to the usual nonsense and quite willingly label...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 3 Dec 19:56
Think everyone should have reservations over this vaccine regardless if it’s been approved or not by the necessary authorities given how quickly it’s went through and UK is the first to do it.
Problem with Politicians is they spout so much tosh throughout terms and refuse to answer simple questions with honesty, the moment something serious like this comes about there is just very little trust.
We’re essentially acting as the pilot, should be offered to an initial set of volunteers again who are willing to take the risk that one adopts with any newly introduced vaccine before rolling it out to the high risk, which should clearly be the first tranche.
I for one and my family certainly won’t be rushing to get in line for it, mainly because we don’t consider ourselves high risk, whilst we may have had it, we’ve never showed any symptoms so wouldn’t know and by all other means healthy.
To Rasta’s point as well, selfishly we’d like to see what effect it does have (if any) on those that are first adopters.
Post Edited (Thu 03 Dec 19:57)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 3 Dec 20:04
What a lovely sentiment given who's in line to get it first! So how many randoms have to croak before it's deemed safe enough for your precious wee family?
Makes you proud to be Scottish folks!
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Thu 3 Dec 20:06
I understand the apprehension around taking vaccinations (don't mistake that for understanding Bill Gates and nanobots nonsense!) but I have a couple of questions for anyone in that boat.
There are some comments about the UK rushing it through but if others follow suit, such as the FDA, and the EU regulator, does that increase confidence levels?
Secondly, there's also a lot of chat around vaccines not having gone through the usual level of testing (eg, 10yrs worth etc) but Covid19 is also a new disease and no one can know what the potential long term effects are for people who survive but have so called 'Long Covid'. On that basis, is it not just the flip of a coin on what could be worse, unknown long term effects from vaccines that have supposedly not gone through rigorous enough testing, or unknown long term effects from a disease that's only been around for a year?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 3 Dec 20:13
Coronavirus isn't new though. There have been variants of it for years. This is just the one discovered in 2019.
I realise our government are absolute idiots, but if there was a risk of significant side effects, they'd hardly be giving the vaccine to the people who provide health care first!
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Thu 3 Dec 20:40
Coronaviruses aren't new but this is the newest variant.
My point on this one is, it's not been around long enough for anyone to know whether suffers of 'long covid' are going to suffer the effects permanently or not.
On the one hand, some people don't want to take a vaccine because they don't know enough about potential long term effects but on the other hand, are willing to take their chances with a new variant of a virus where we also don't know the potential long term effects.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 3 Dec 20:47
Quote:
jake89, Thu 03 Dec 20:13
Coronavirus isn't new though. There have been variants of it for years. This is just the one discovered in 2019.
I realise our government are absolute idiots, but if there was a risk of significant side effects, they'd hardly be giving the vaccine to the people who provide health care first!
Discovered where Wuhan?
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 3 Dec 20:49
The UK were the first to approve the vaccine, I would want to know what the dialogue has been with other countries who are also testing these vaccines and understand where they are and why they haven’t approved it yet themselves.
It would be good to know how the UK have beaten everyone, genuine question - I’m sure it’s been answered and I’ve probably missed it.
It’s a new strand of virus, that still we don’t fully understand yet we’ve managed to race through an approved vaccine and we should all be very happy, pleased and jumping at the bit to get it.
And look, I’m sure it will work, certainly hope it does, it will do as it was approved for without a doubt of reservation?
I personally would just like to see more testing, more evidence and more assurance and see other countries proceed with approving as well before i would consider taking it, not that I would have any case for getting it anytime soon anyway.
Make no apologies for putting my ‘precious wee family’ first da_no1, I would expect everyone to do that and for many families the best thing for them will be to take this vaccine as soon as it comes out and all the best to them.
For us though, fortunately we’re not in that position.
CAPar raises a good point, if you don’t understand the long term implications of the virus, then how confident can we be that we’ve developed a robust vaccine?
And vice versa ofcourse, I get the predicament.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 3 Dec 21:01
The American and European agencies should say within days whether they approve the vaccine or not ie before the first doses are administered in the UK.
The acceleration in approval seems to be a result of prioritisation and better funding made available because of the urgent need for a vaccine rather than any cutting of corners.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 3 Dec 21:18
Quote:
Berry, Thu 03 Dec 20:49
The UK were the first to approve the vaccine, I would want to know what the dialogue has been with other countries who are also testing these vaccines and understand where they are and why they haven’t approved it yet themselves.
It would be good to know how the UK have beaten everyone, genuine question - I’m sure it’s been answered and I’ve probably missed it.
It’s a new strand of virus, that still we don’t fully understand yet we’ve managed to race through an approved vaccine and we should all be very happy, pleased and jumping at the bit to get it.
And look, I’m sure it will work, certainly hope it does, it will do as it was approved for without a doubt of reservation?
I personally would just like to see more testing, more evidence and more assurance and see other countries proceed with approving as well before i would consider taking it, not that I would have any case for getting it anytime soon anyway.
Make no apologies for putting my ‘precious wee family’ first da_no1, I would expect everyone to do that and for many families the best thing for them will be to take this vaccine as soon as it comes out and all the best to them.
For us though, fortunately we’re not in that position.
CAPar raises a good point, if you don’t understand the long term implications of the virus, then how confident can we be that we’ve developed a robust vaccine?
And vice versa ofcourse, I get the predicament.
The uk has beaten everyone as the government has been bought by bill gates so we are the guinea pigs . It’s certainly a new strand of virus that has spread throughout the western world to destroy the economy and try and destroy trump in his election year . Which would then allow China to take over as no 1 superpower. Great reset also brought in under the disguise of the virus. Watch America 🇺🇸🎺
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Thu 3 Dec 21:20
Berry, that was an unintended point really. If the vaccine stops you becoming infected, then surely from that perspective, you wouldn't really need to know long term implications of the virus because you couldn't get it.
My intended point is, if you're concerned about long term implications of a vaccine due to lack of time to test properly, why wouldn't you therefore be concerned about a (variant of a) virus that's not been around long enough to know the potential long term implications of getting it?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Dec 21:34
Why the UK first?
Dominic Cummings was there to remove regulations.
He's jumped ship with a barrel load of cash for him and his mates.
Do as you please.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Thu 03 Dec 21:34)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 3 Dec 21:52
Pfizer have, according to the Independent, been granted immunity by the UK government in respect of legal redress.
‘’It also has the effect of granting civil immunity to Pfizer after the government changed the regulations following a short three-week consultation in September.
In a press conference with journalists on Wednesday, Ben Osborn, Pfizer’s UK managing director, refused to explain why the company needed an indemnity.
He said: “We`re not actually disclosing any of the details around any of the aspects of that agreement and specifically around the liability clauses."
sammer
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 3 Dec 22:23
Why grant Pfizer with immunity if it’s gone through the correct protocols....?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 3 Dec 22:30
-70 this time next year Rodney etc.etc.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 3 Dec 22:49
Quote:
Berry, Thu 3 Dec 22:23
Why grant Pfizer with immunity if it’s gone through the correct protocols....?
Because if someone gets so much as a tickle in their throat after taking it there'll be lawsuits flying about all over the place. 120k tax free thro the government vaccine protection scheme regardless. Happy days
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Fri 4 Dec 07:28
Did anyone here boris s speech on the vaccine. THE VIRUS HAS TO BE STORED AT -70 degrees. For once he tells the truth it’s a virus 🤔
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Fri 4 Dec 10:32
Might strike up a business selling tinfoil to users on here, would do a roaring trade.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 4 Dec 11:05
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 3 Dec 22:49
Quote:
Berry, Thu 3 Dec 22:23
Why grant Pfizer with immunity if it’s gone through the correct protocols....?
Because if someone gets so much as a tickle in their throat after taking it there'll be lawsuits flying about all over the place. 120k tax free thro the government vaccine protection scheme regardless. Happy days
Pfizer have paid out billions for a lot worse than "tickles in throats"
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 4 Dec 12:40
Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DulochConvert
Date: Fri 4 Dec 22:06
I personally know 3 PhD vaccines specialist, including my sister and her husband and none would be willing to take the Pfizer one! The RDNA system isn’t proven, it’s as the all say about 10 years to early. No they are not bitter because there different labs have yet to come up with a vaccine, although one was doing the swine flu testing.
I will go with them thanks!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 4 Dec 22:23
Advice on NHS Inform now.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Fri 4 Dec 23:06
Quote:
DulochConvert, Fri 04 Dec 22:06
I personally know 3 PhD vaccines specialist, including my sister and her husband and none would be willing to take the Pfizer one! The RDNA system isn’t proven, it’s as the all say about 10 years to early. No they are not bitter because there different labs have yet to come up with a vaccine, although one was doing the swine flu testing.
I will go with them thanks!
Well said
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sat 5 Dec 01:23
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 4 Dec 12:40
Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.
What does isolating a virus actually mean?
Can you provide a link to this FOI or where you heard this, as I have searched and cannot find anything.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 5 Dec 01:34
I suppose the underlying - so far, unanswered - question is: If the vaccine is 95% successful, what happens to the 5%???
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 5 Dec 01:42
Then they are unprotected. Fortunately if enough of the population get the vaccine then herd immunity will kick in and protect those who can`t for medical reasons get any sort of vaccine as well those in the 5% and of course those who can`t be bothered or are too scared to get the jab.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 5 Dec 08:59
Quote:
DulochConvert, Fri 4 Dec 22:06
I personally know 3 PhD vaccines specialist, including my sister and her husband and none would be willing to take the Pfizer one! The RDNA system isn’t proven, it’s as the all say about 10 years to early. No they are not bitter because there different labs have yet to come up with a vaccine, although one was doing the swine flu testing.
I will go with them thanks!
Can my family have yours?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 5 Dec 09:44
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sat 5 Dec 01:23
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 4 Dec 12:40
Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.
What does isolating a virus actually mean?
Can you provide a link to this FOI or where you heard this, as I have searched and cannot find anything.
Ask them, then you'll have your own copy.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sat 5 Dec 10:16
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/i-study-viruses-how-our-team-isolated-the-new-coronavirus-to-fight-the-global-pandemic-133675
Canadian teams who isolated the virus.
Post Edited (Sat 05 Dec 10:17)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 5 Dec 13:00
I`m going to go out on a limb and say neither the UK government nor NHS have ever said the virus hasn`t been isolated and identified. I certainly know who I wouldn`t trust on this issue 😂
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 5 Dec 17:11
We`ve just finished a thrilling match against our biggest rivals in this league, the Rovers, and not a not single comment to be found from rasta and dander par. Clearly their interests are elsewhere. Says it all really.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 5 Dec 18:24
Check again chap
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Sat 5 Dec 18:38
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 5 Dec 17:11
We`ve just finished a thrilling match against our biggest rivals in this league, the Rovers, and not a not single comment to be found from rasta and dander par. Clearly their interests are elsewhere. Says it all really.
Says more about you, care more about having a dig at other fans rather than just enjoying the comeback. Says it all really...
Post Edited (Sat 05 Dec 18:39)
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Sat 5 Dec 19:18
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 5 Dec 17:11
We`ve just finished a thrilling match against our biggest rivals in this league, the Rovers, and not a not single comment to be found from rasta and dander par. Clearly their interests are elsewhere. Says it all really.
No need Oz.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 5 Dec 22:20
Quote:
MikeyLeonard, Sat 5 Dec 19:18
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 5 Dec 17:11
We`ve just finished a thrilling match against our biggest rivals in this league, the Rovers, and not a not single comment to be found from rasta and dander par. Clearly their interests are elsewhere. Says it all really.
No need Oz.
I commented throughout the Rover's match😂
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sun 6 Dec 04:17
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 5 Dec 09:44
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sat 5 Dec 01:23
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 4 Dec 12:40
Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.
What does isolating a virus actually mean?
Can you provide a link to this FOI or where you heard this, as I have searched and cannot find anything.
Ask them, then you'll have your own copy.
So no link provided? So more ***** from you that is not backed by any actual evidence.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 6 Dec 08:27
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sun 6 Dec 04:17
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 5 Dec 09:44
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sat 5 Dec 01:23
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 4 Dec 12:40
Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.
What does isolating a virus actually mean?
Can you provide a link to this FOI or where you heard this, as I have searched and cannot find anything.
Ask them, then you'll have your own copy.
So no link provided? So more ***** from you that is not backed by any actual evidence.
It's not a link you utter weapon, it's a paper document, as I said, ask and they'll send you it.
pr*k.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 6 Dec 08:29
SIF, if you look above Oz provided a link to a Reuters article that debunks that particular claim. Supposedly it`s a lie that seems to be doing the rounds on social media.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 6 Dec 11:11
If only someone could find a way of converting a paper document into some kind of electronic format so that it could be shared on the internet. I`m sure boffins are working on it as I type...
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sun 6 Dec 12:27
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 6 Dec 08:27
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sun 6 Dec 04:17
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 5 Dec 09:44
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sat 5 Dec 01:23
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 4 Dec 12:40
Just an fyi....from a freedom of info request ...NHS England still stating the virus has not been isolated.
What does isolating a virus actually mean?
Can you provide a link to this FOI or where you heard this, as I have searched and cannot find anything.
Ask them, then you'll have your own copy.
So no link provided? So more ***** from you that is not backed by any actual evidence.
It's not a link you utter weapon, it's a paper document, as I said, ask and they'll send you it.
pr*k.
The Freedom of Information Act requires all public authorities to actively publish any Freedom of Information requests.
This will almost always appear on that public bodies website.
Since there is absolutely no evidence of this online I really doubt it exists.
If it only exists in paper copy as you suggest then I'm damned sure the conspiracy nutcases would have scanned it and put it online themselves.
Where did you find out about it?
Do you have a "paper copy" feel free to email me it.
All I'm asking for is the actual evidence to back up your claim but somehow I'm an utter weapon and a pr*k.
I look forward to you providing evidence for your claim without me having to submit a freedom of information request myself to see is you are a liar or not.
Here's where FOI requests are published.
Can't find the FOI about Covid you claim exists here.
Where is it?
linky
Post Edited (Sun 06 Dec 14:36)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 6 Dec 16:04
As much as believe that there is an element of truth to many of the things Rasta posts about, it's stuff like this that does a lot to discredit his argument and makes it easy for people to debunk alternative theories as Conspiracy Theories. The lack of sources is normally back up by only a eventual 'do your own research' or straightforward abuse as we have seen here
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 7 Dec 21:33
Cannae wait to get my vaccine. Once that 5g stuff is inside me, I'll be like lightning at the walking fitbaw.
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Tue 8 Dec 12:00
Watching the news this morning. They said that this vaccine won`t stop you catching covid. I always thought that a vaccine was to stop you catching it
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 8 Dec 12:48
It gives your body the ability to fight it.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Tue 8 Dec 12:48
I think they are just choosing their words carefully.
This isn`t a magic bullet that will protect everyone against the virus.
What has been shown so far is that it should drastically reduce the number of people who have symptoms which, in turn, should reduce deaths.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 8 Dec 13:08
I wonder how Bill gates is getting on controlling Karen aged 90 from Coventry in her hospital bed?
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 8 Dec 13:17
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Tue 8 Dec 13:08
I wonder how Bill gates is getting on controlling Karen aged 90 from Coventry in her hospital bed?
She's already doing 20 press ups every hour. It's in n preparation for her next James bond style mission. Something to do with Brexit I hear but keep that quiet.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 8 Dec 21:22
Quote:
red-star-par, Sun 6 Dec 16:04
As much as believe that there is an element of truth to many of the things Rasta posts about, it's stuff like this that does a lot to discredit his argument and makes it easy for people to debunk alternative theories as Conspiracy Theories. The lack of sources is normally back up by only a eventual 'do your own research' or straightforward abuse as we have seen here
It's not abuse, I got fed up of "not a credible source"
Even when it was mainstream.
Even when I put up an editorial from The British Medical Journal it was largely ignored...so yeah, have a look yourself.
I was moved by Matt Hancock's visible and tangible emotion at the vaccine being rolled out though...heartwarming stuff.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 8 Dec 21:24
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Tue 8 Dec 13:08
I wonder how Bill gates is getting on controlling Karen aged 90 from Coventry in her hospital bed?
How many people have you encountered on here pushing the Bill Gates chip thing?
You know being cautious of a vaccine isn't thinking microchips yeah?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Tue 8 Dec 21:33
Tried them once... They were keech min 🤣
Admin
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 8 Dec 21:52
Thank goodness for a lighthearted intermission ^^^
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 8 Dec 23:55
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 8 Dec 21:22
Quote:
red-star-par, Sun 6 Dec 16:04
As much as believe that there is an element of truth to many of the things Rasta posts about, it's stuff like this that does a lot to discredit his argument and makes it easy for people to debunk alternative theories as Conspiracy Theories. The lack of sources is normally back up by only a eventual 'do your own research' or straightforward abuse as we have seen here
It's not abuse, I got fed up of "not a credible source"
Even when it was mainstream.
Even when I put up an editorial from The British Medical Journal it was largely ignored...so yeah, have a look yourself.
I was moved by Matt Hancock's visible and tangible emotion at the vaccine being rolled out though...heartwarming stuff.
I asked you for any source cause I had went looking for it myself, cause that's your usual go to. "Do your own research."
So I did and found nothing.
Rather than say it wasn't true I simply asked for a source, any source.
You then called me a weapon and a pr*k and said it was a paper copy.
Some research found that all Freedom of Information requests to public bodies must be legally published.
I then found when they get published and guess what? Absolutely no sign of the FOI you claim.
Yet I'm the utter weapon and pr*k.
So I'll ask again, where did you find this information, what was your source?
Do you have a paper copy?
If you do, can you email it to me, cause I am genuinely interested to know and to know exactly what was asked for in the alleged FOI request.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 9 Dec 07:49
I think it's fair enough to be nervous about taking any new vaccine, especially if you're not likely to be at risk if you get Covid. We obviously can't be certain of the long-term effects.
If you're likely to get seriously unwell from the virus, I think you'd probably weigh it up and figure that it's better to take the vaccine than not. Yes, it's been rushed through in that it's taken 7 months whereas these things usually take years, but that argument ignores the fact that it's been an unprecedented 7 months where truckloads of cash and man/woman hours have been dedicated specifically for this project.
You probably have vaccine research that has taken years but hasn't had nearly as many hours of study dedicated to it.
I do realise that's ridiculously balanced, but at least both sides can call me a weapon.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 9 Dec 08:59
So when Nicola and her wee gimp Leitch say that even after the vaccine you still have to wear masks and socially distance because you can still catch and transmit Rona....wtf is the point of the vaccine?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 9 Dec 09:20
After you receive the jab you have to get a booster shot 21 days later and it is then one week after that second shot that you will have immunity.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 9 Dec 09:29
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 9 Dec 09:20
After you receive the jab you have to get a booster shot 21 days later and it is then one week after that second shot that you will have immunity.
They were quite specific that lives will still be heavily controlled vaccine or not, this narrative has continued of BNC News this morning....so....why bother?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 9 Dec 10:10
I guess you bother if you are worried that, due to your age, health, build etc. that you would be particularly likely to get seriously unwell if you get Covid.
If it turns out that the vaccines are effective when it comes to preventing transmission from one person to another then, I guess, the argument evolves to one where we should all take it - to prevent it transmitting from one person to another.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 9 Dec 10:34
Or another answer to why bother is less people die.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 9 Dec 12:20
"So when Nicola and her wee gimp Leitch say that even after the vaccine you still have to wear masks and socially distance because you can still catch and transmit Rona....wtf is the point of the vaccine?"
breaking news... people who get the flu vaccine every year still get the flu...just much milder symptoms.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 9 Dec 12:22
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Wed 9 Dec 12:20
"So when Nicola and her wee gimp Leitch say that even after the vaccine you still have to wear masks and socially distance because you can still catch and transmit Rona....wtf is the point of the vaccine?"
breaking news... people who get the flu vaccine every year still get the flu...just much milder symptoms.
Science isn't his strong suit.
Clearly has no idea how vaccines or the immune system works.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 9 Dec 17:29
Only 3 hours ago Sky News have an article up advising anyone with a history of ‘significant’ allergic reactions should not take the vaccine.
Something that possibly should’ve been communicated beforehand as they would’ve known about this ofcourse as the testing was thorough.
Beginning to understand this immunity gig now.
Not trying to antagonise but does demonstrate there are valid reasons behind those that are reserved about it.
Post Edited (Wed 09 Dec 17:32)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 9 Dec 18:04
Quote:
Berry, Wed 9 Dec 17:29
Only 3 hours ago Sky News have an article up advising anyone with a history of ‘significant’ allergic reactions should not take the vaccine.
Something that possibly should’ve been communicated beforehand as they would’ve known about this ofcourse as the testing was thorough.
Beginning to understand this immunity gig now.
Not trying to antagonise but does demonstrate there are valid reasons behind those that are reserved about it.
A couple of NHS staff have reacted. I would suggest that considering the number of allergies going about its probably impossible to test for them all even in a mass test. After all they have also advised pregnant women not to have the vaccine as they couldn't test it.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Wed 9 Dec 18:57
And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Wed 9 Dec 19:39
Quote:
JTH123, Wed 09 Dec 18:57
And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?
Opened his mouth . What an absolute cretin of a man . He is the so called spokesperson for science. He is a paid puppet. Causing fear n now saying keep the windows open on Christmas Day to let the virus particals escape what a scaremongering cretin. His day will come
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 9 Dec 19:42
Jason Leitch with his Masters in Public Health Vs people on a Pars forum with a BTEC in craft and design. Who would you trust on public health matters?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 9 Dec 19:55
lol ^^^^
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 9 Dec 20:12
I like Jason Leitch, he has had a difficult job, but manages to get his message across well. I'm still not getting the vaccine right enough
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 9 Dec 20:20
What the fk is "his day will come" meant to mean?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 9 Dec 20:27
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red-star-par, Wed 09 Dec 20:12
I like Jason Leitch, he has had a difficult job, but manages to get his message across well. I'm still not getting the vaccine right enough
I’m the opposite - I cannot stand the man but will get the vaccine when available to me
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 9 Dec 20:43
7.8 billion people on the planet. I'd imagine the odds of vaccinating every single one of us with not one bad reaction are a tad on the small side.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 9 Dec 21:39
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dander par, Wed 9 Dec 19:39
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JTH123, Wed 09 Dec 18:57
And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?
Opened his mouth . What an absolute cretin of a man . He is the so called spokesperson for science. He is a paid puppet. Causing fear n now saying keep the windows open on Christmas Day to let the virus particals escape what a scaremongering cretin. His day will come
A cretin of a man.
Leitch attended Airdrie Academy from 1980 to 1986.[2] He played the part of Ralph Rackstraw in the school production of HMS Pinafore.
Leitch graduated in dentistry from the University of Glasgow in 1991. He became a Fellow of the Faculty of Dental Surgery at the Royal College of Surgeons (England) in 1996.
He has a doctorate from the University of Glasgow (2004), a Masters in Public Health from Harvard University (2006) and is a fellow of The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow (2004) and the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh (2004). He is also a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy (2004).
He was a 2005-06 Quality Improvement Fellow at the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), in Boston, sponsored by the Health Foundation, he is now a Senior Fellow at the IHI.
That's his qualifications. Now list yours and we'll see who the cretin is.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 9 Dec 22:20
What a load of scaremongering. My wife is allergic to penicillin, does that mean the rest of us should avoid it?Millions,would have died,without it.There is always a risk with any vaccine.It is actually safer than the flu vaccine.Anyone,who refuses to get the vaccine, are just being bloody minded.,and putting the rest of us at risk.
Post Edited (Wed 09 Dec 22:23)
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 9 Dec 22:25
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twin par, Wed 9 Dec 22:20
What a load of scaremongering. My wife is allergic to penicillin, does that mean the rest of us should avoid it.Millions,would have died,without it.There is always a risk with any vaccine.It is actually safer than the flu vaccine.
I think the point might be, the UK was in such a rush to roll this out in a red white and blue parade, they haven't properly educated the public as to possible side effects to allergies and what exactly they are.
Maybe that's why other countries haven't introduced the vaccine yet.
They are sitting back while the UK is happy as the proverbial guenea pig.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 9 Dec 22:39
Well,I for one will be taking the jag.Its a dead virus, that is being injected, so the risks are minimal. Don't listen to un true rubbish.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 9 Dec 23:10
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twin par, Wed 9 Dec 22:39
Well,I for one will be taking the jag.Its a dead virus, that is being injected, so the risks are minimal. Don't listen to un true rubbish.
Not even a dead virus this has been synthesised. It imitates the jacket of the virus.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 10 Dec 00:34
Leitch`s qualifications are enough to make make me, if not Rastapari, suspicious. Too many letters after his name for my good. I`ll stick to my own dentist.
It`s becoming clear that this Covid vaccine is taking on the same arguments as enlisting for army service in 1914. Back then, despite what we have been encouraged to believe, 30% of the working people tried to avoid being enlisted of which only 2% were conscientious objectors. The rest were working class people who had no desire to fight in a capitalist war.
At a later point, with casualties so high, it became necessary to conscript. The self appointed leaders of the proletariat, Labour and Liberal, let them down across all of Europe. The Tories were at least honest pretty honest in their calls for cannon fodder. I wouldn`t be surprised to see a Kitchener type portrait appear before our eyes before long, saying `Your Country Needs You.`
sammer
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 10 Dec 06:55
The point is there is a risk that hasn’t properly been communicated, regardless of whether you personally think it’s small or not.
It would be a different tune playing if they had died from taking the vaccine I’m sure...
I don’t think it’s scaremongering, I’d rather the Regulators came out with this advice than not, ideally would’ve been nice if it was done before vaccines were rolled out........
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 10 Dec 07:01
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moviescot, Wed 09 Dec 21:39
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dander par, Wed 9 Dec 19:39
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JTH123, Wed 09 Dec 18:57
And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?
Opened his mouth . What an absolute cretin of a man . He is the so called spokesperson for science. He is a paid puppet. Causing fear n now saying keep the windows open on Christmas Day to let the virus particals escape what a scaremongering cretin. His day will come
A cretin of a man.
Leitch attended Airdrie Academy from 1980 to 1986.[2] He played the part of Ralph Rackstraw in the school production of HMS Pinafore.
Leitch graduated in dentistry from the University of Glasgow in 1991. He became a Fellow of the Faculty of Dental Surgery at the Royal College of Surgeons (England) in 1996.
He has a doctorate from the University of Glasgow (2004), a Masters in Public Health from Harvard University (2006) and is a fellow of The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow (2004) and the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh (2004). He is also a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy (2004).
He was a 2005-06 Quality Improvement Fellow at the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), in Boston, sponsored by the Health Foundation, he is now a Senior Fellow at the IHI.
That's his qualifications. Now list yours and we'll see who the cretin is. I have same letters as bill gates has for medicine at end of his name hee haw . My point is he is a paid puppet by the the government like van scam . Whittey n valance all there to scaremonger and use propaganda to brainwash the nation into believing their narrative is for their benefits ( certainly worked in uk)take a look at Hancock laughing on tv the other morning. “90” year old Margaret keenan first to have jab . Then the 1st man William Shakespeare from Warwickshire. You couldn’t make that play up . They are now saying the vaccine may not help and masks may be mandatory till next winter. If you want your freedom taking away keep complying and believing this propaganda bs from leitch n co .
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 10 Dec 07:59
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Berry, Thu 10 Dec 06:55
The point is there is a risk that hasn’t properly been communicated, regardless of whether you personally think it’s small or not.
It would be a different tune playing if they had died from taking the vaccine I’m sure...
I don’t think it’s scaremongering, I’d rather the Regulators came out with this advice than not, ideally would’ve been nice if it was done before vaccines were rolled out........
Are you in the priority groups? Adverse effects HAVE been communicated to the group's receiving the vaccine, including anaphylactic shock.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 10 Dec 08:06
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dander par, Thu 10 Dec 07:01
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moviescot, Wed 09 Dec 21:39
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dander par, Wed 9 Dec 19:39
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JTH123, Wed 09 Dec 18:57
And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?
Opened his mouth . What an absolute cretin of a man . He is the so called spokesperson for science. He is a paid puppet. Causing fear n now saying keep the windows open on Christmas Day to let the virus particals escape what a scaremongering cretin. His day will come
A cretin of a man.
Leitch attended Airdrie Academy from 1980 to 1986.[2] He played the part of Ralph Rackstraw in the school production of HMS Pinafore.
Leitch graduated in dentistry from the University of Glasgow in 1991. He became a Fellow of the Faculty of Dental Surgery at the Royal College of Surgeons (England) in 1996.
He has a doctorate from the University of Glasgow (2004), a Masters in Public Health from Harvard University (2006) and is a fellow of The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow (2004) and the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh (2004). He is also a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy (2004).
He was a 2005-06 Quality Improvement Fellow at the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), in Boston, sponsored by the Health Foundation, he is now a Senior Fellow at the IHI.
That's his qualifications. Now list yours and we'll see who the cretin is. I have same letters as bill gates has for medicine at end of his name hee haw . My point is he is a paid puppet by the the government like van scam . Whittey n valance all there to scaremonger and use propaganda to brainwash the nation into believing their narrative is for their benefits ( certainly worked in uk)take a look at Hancock laughing on tv the other morning. “90” year old Margaret keenan first to have jab . Then the 1st man William Shakespeare from Warwickshire. You couldn’t make that play up . They are now saying the vaccine may not help and masks may be mandatory till next winter. If you want your freedom taking away keep complying and believing this propaganda bs from leitch n co .
No. Your point was that he was a cretin. I put it to you my lord that you have clearly shown yourself to be the cretin.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 10 Dec 08:07
I see Canada has now approved the Pfizer vaccine.
Post Edited (Thu 10 Dec 08:09)
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Thu 10 Dec 08:08
There are minute incidences of reaction with vast majority of vaccines! Even flu vaccinators must be trained in anaphylaxis management!
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 10 Dec 08:23
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moviescot, Thu 10 Dec 08:06
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dander par, Thu 10 Dec 07:01
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moviescot, Wed 09 Dec 21:39
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dander par, Wed 9 Dec 19:39
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JTH123, Wed 09 Dec 18:57
And what did Leitch do wrong to deserve being called a "wee gimp"?
Opened his mouth . What an absolute cretin of a man . He is the so called spokesperson for science. He is a paid puppet. Causing fear n now saying keep the windows open on Christmas Day to let the virus particals escape what a scaremongering cretin. His day will come
A cretin of a man.
Leitch attended Airdrie Academy from 1980 to 1986.[2] He played the part of Ralph Rackstraw in the school production of HMS Pinafore.
Leitch graduated in dentistry from the University of Glasgow in 1991. He became a Fellow of the Faculty of Dental Surgery at the Royal College of Surgeons (England) in 1996.
He has a doctorate from the University of Glasgow (2004), a Masters in Public Health from Harvard University (2006) and is a fellow of The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow (2004) and the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh (2004). He is also a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy (2004).
He was a 2005-06 Quality Improvement Fellow at the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), in Boston, sponsored by the Health Foundation, he is now a Senior Fellow at the IHI.
That's his qualifications. Now list yours and we'll see who the cretin is. I have same letters as bill gates has for medicine at end of his name hee haw . My point is he is a paid puppet by the the government like van scam . Whittey n valance all there to scaremonger and use propaganda to brainwash the nation into believing their narrative is for their benefits ( certainly worked in uk)take a look at Hancock laughing on tv the other morning. “90” year old Margaret keenan first to have jab . Then the 1st man William Shakespeare from Warwickshire. You couldn’t make that play up . They are now saying the vaccine may not help and masks may be mandatory till next winter. If you want your freedom taking away keep complying and believing this propaganda bs from leitch n co .
No. Your point was that he was a cretin. I put it to you my lord that you have clearly shown yourself to be the cretin.
Aw that’s sweet
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 10 Dec 08:45
So, already the line being trotted out it that life will remain the same, no back to normal, it won't curb spread or transmission....I'll ask again, why would a healthy person bother?
Why risk an adverse reaction?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 10 Dec 08:52
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Rastapari, Thu 10 Dec 08:45
So, already the line being trotted out it that life will remain the same, no back to normal, it won't curb spread or transmission....I'll ask again, why would a healthy person bother?
Why risk an adverse reaction?
Excactly masks on till next winter . Same tier systems in place all because it’s about a virus according to most. People need to start questioning the governments narrative
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 10 Dec 09:05
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Rastapari, Thu 10 Dec 08:45
So, already the line being trotted out it that life will remain the same, no back to normal, it won't curb spread or transmission....I'll ask again, why would a healthy person bother?
Why risk an adverse reaction?
Please provide evidence where it has been said it won't curb spread of transmission.
You really need to educate yourself on how the immune system works and how vaccines work with that.
I will give you a little clue.
Most of the time someone who has received a vaccine will be immune. If they come into contact they will not get the disease at all.
Some will get the disease but since the body has encountered it before has the blueprint for fighting it of. This will happen relatively quickly compared to someone who has not been vaccinated or previously had the disease. They may develop symptoms and may is some cases even be able to pass it on.
That does not in any way equate to the utter rubbish you are coming out with.
This is basic high school biology ffs.
I'm sure it's slightly more complicated than this but that's the just of whats going on.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 10 Dec 09:06
You've as much chance of a reaction to the vaccine as you do of choking on an apple. We don't say noone can have apples!
The vaccine gives you the ability to fight coronavirus. Exactly the same as the flu vaccine has done for years. It doesn't mean you won't get it. You'll just have far milder symptoms if any at all.
The reason there won't be normality immediately is that it's going to take a year to get the majority vaccinated.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 10 Dec 09:36
The reason that a healthy person should get it Rasta is that there are hundreds of thousands of people who for medical reasons can`t get any type of vaccine. If enough of the population gets the vaccine then herd immunity will protect them.
So what reason would a socially responsible, considerate person have for not getting vaccinated?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 10 Dec 09:51
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The One Who Knocks, Thu 10 Dec 09:36
The reason that a healthy person should get it Rasta is that there are hundreds of thousands of people who for medical reasons can`t get any type of vaccine. If enough of the population gets the vaccine then herd immunity will protect them.
So what reason would a socially responsible, considerate person have for not getting vaccinated?
Could be a clue in the study, titled “Looking Under the Tinfoil Hat” and posted online in the Journal of Personality, Ms. Bowes and Scott Lilienfeld led a team that administered a battery of standardized personality surveys to nearly 2,000 adults.
“the research team gave the participants several standard personality questionnaires. One parsed general, fairly stable traits, like conscientiousness and sociability; another asked about moods like anxiety and anger; and a third addressed extremes, like narcissistic tendencies. (“I often have to deal with people who are less important than me.”)
To rough out a personality profile, or profiles, the research team measured which facets of personality were most strongly correlated to higher levels of susceptibility to conspiracy beliefs. The findings were at least as notable for the associations revealed as for those not found. For example, qualities like conscientiousness, modesty and altruism were very weakly related to a person’s susceptibility. Levels of anger or sincerity bore no apparent relation; nor did self-esteem.
The personality features that were solidly linked to conspiracy beliefs included some usual suspects: entitlement, self-centered impulsivity, cold-heartedness (the confident injustice collector), elevated levels of depressive moods and anxiousness (the moody figure, confined by age or circumstance). Another one emerged from the questionnaire that aimed to assess personality disorders — a pattern of thinking called “psychoticism.”
Psychoticism is a core feature of so-called schizo-typal personality disorder, characterized in part by “odd beliefs and magical thinking” and “paranoid ideation.” In the language of psychiatry, it is a milder form of full-blown psychosis, the recurrent delusional state that characterizes schizophrenia. It’s a pattern of magical thinking that goes well beyond garden variety superstition and usually comes across socially as disjointed, uncanny or “off.””
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Thu 10 Dec 10:54
I can't wait to get it.🙂
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Thu 10 Dec 14:17
I am not an anti-vaxxer but my worry about this vaccine is that it has not been tested for long term side affects. Most vaccines are not released to the public for 10+ years and this one has barely taken a year. I`m not overly worried about myself but my kids for the long term.
I`ve never seen a vaccine that the government will pretty much force you to take. Next year should be interesting..
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 10 Dec 15:34
Has there every been a vaccine that has had so much time effort and money pumped into it as this one? The pandemic has brought the planet to a standstill so any developments are always going to be quicker. Its really not that hard to grasp.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Thu 10 Dec 17:32
Probably not but I still don`t understand how they can test for long term affects. It`s something I`d love to hear a medial expert comment on. I`ve not seen anything about it on the news so far.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 10 Dec 17:46
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RossF, Thu 10 Dec 17:32
Probably not but I still don`t understand how they can test for long term affects. It`s something I`d love to hear a medial expert comment on. I`ve not seen anything about it on the news so far.
You won’t here anything on news about long term affects. Let alone what’s in it or who accepts liability. Very strange . Has anyone ever heard a medical expert saying what to take to try n better your immune system as well like vitamin d zinc etc ? Very strange as well it’s all about the virus that’s drilled into us
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 10 Dec 18:32
Is Donald Trump going to have enough time to save the world before he hands over to Biden next month, dander par?
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 10 Dec 18:57
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wee eck, Thu 10 Dec 18:32
Is Donald Trump going to have enough time to save the world before he hands over to Biden next month, dander par?
He ll no be handing over to bye den 🇺🇸🎺🚄
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Thu 10 Dec 20:17
We're all ears. Give us your considered prediction on what's going to happen.
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Thu 10 Dec 20:47
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RossF, Thu 10 Dec 17:32
Probably not but I still don`t understand how they can test for long term affects. It`s something I`d love to hear a medial expert comment on. I`ve not seen anything about it on the news so far.
As has been said by plenty of people actually ITK for this field, just because somethings taken ten years to come to fruition doesn't mean it's better tested, it's been commented on plenty.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Thu 10 Dec 21:14
Sometimes, you have to take risks.Not saying the vaccine is perfect,but at my age,I feel I have to protect myself. Technology has moved a long way since the tholidomide scandal.Smallpox,has almost been eradicated in this country, as has whooping cough. Think you can be too cautious. Hasten to add,my own mother,had whooping cough, and apparently, it was horrendous.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Thu 10 Dec 21:19
Unbelievably I had a look there and found an expert has commented on the long term side affects.
`Professor Phelps said this is `tricky` to answer because the vaccine hasn`t been around for `very long`.
`It`s been in clinical trials, and so we don`t know what the long term side effects are,` she said.
`We can`t know until the vaccine has been out there in the population for longer.
`We do know that the short term effects look a lot like a lot of other vaccines such as the flu vaccine.`
I`d like to think this will be an amazing breakthrough but the chances of this virus killing someone under 60 is ridiculously low. Is it really worth getting the vaccine if you don`t come under the vulnerable listing? By the looks of it though, we won`t have a choice.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Thu 10 Dec 21:36
Folks are shouting for a vaccine, they can't win.They are in a rock and a hard place.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Thu 10 Dec 21:53
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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 20:17
We're all ears. Give us your considered prediction on what's going to happen.
Since Biden/democrats have tried to rig the election using the dominion voting machine .mail ballot votes etc . Most of the states will go to scotus to get it overturned n trump will be still president 🇺🇸🎺🚄
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Thu 10 Dec 22:17
But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 11 Dec 03:14
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dander par, Thu 10 Dec 21:53
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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 20:17
We're all ears. Give us your considered prediction on what's going to happen.
Since Biden/democrats have tried to rig the election using the dominion voting machine .mail ballot votes etc . Most of the states will go to scotus to get it overturned n trump will be still president 🇺🇸🎺🚄
Claims made about Dominion voting machines have been debunked though.
So if thats what you're pinning your hopes on you're in for a big disappointment.
This is a good neutral report on it. https://youtu.be/i_SpWzv2cVw
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Fri 11 Dec 06:46
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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 22:17
But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.
Yes the MSM leftist news stories .That’s why they are going to scotus (supreme court of the United States)as the judges are corrupt in these smaller courts.
Movie Scot you will be proved wrong about these dominion voting machines 🇺🇸🎺🚄
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Fri 11 Dec 07:07
So far these are the people/things that are corrupt in the US election :
- MSM
- Voting machines
- Election observers
- Judges in lower courts
- The Democratic Party
- Leftists whatever they are
Things that are not corrupt:
- Donald Trump
- The Supreme Court (although I'm sure that will change if they refuse to hear/rule against these cases)
Sounds plausible.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 11 Dec 07:08
That will be the same Republican heavy Supreme Court that already threw out the Pennsylvania election fraud case on Wednesday?
🤔 I 👃 💩
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Fri 11 Dec 07:08
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CAPar, Fri 11 Dec 07:07
So far these are the people/things that are corrupt in the US election :
- MSM
- Voting machines
- Election observers
- Judges in lower courts
- The Democratic Party
- Leftists whatever they are
Things that are not corrupt:
- Donald Trump
- The Supreme Court (although I'm sure that will change if they refuse to hear/rule against these cases)
Sounds plausible.
U missed ccp
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 11 Dec 08:39
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The One Who Knocks, Thu 10 Dec 09:36
The reason that a healthy person should get it Rasta is that there are hundreds of thousands of people who for medical reasons can`t get any type of vaccine. If enough of the population gets the vaccine then herd immunity will protect them.
So what reason would a socially responsible, considerate person have for not getting vaccinated?
Because this new technology alters your genetic make up, I'll take my chances with that survival rate, you take your chances with the suits, simple.
You're the sensible one.
A vaccine so perfect our loving government will strip you of basic human rights to make you take it.
But you, you're the sensible one, I can only assume you are at risk?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 11 Dec 08:44
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Rastapari, Fri 11 Dec 08:39
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The One Who Knocks, Thu 10 Dec 09:36
The reason that a healthy person should get it Rasta is that there are hundreds of thousands of people who for medical reasons can`t get any type of vaccine. If enough of the population gets the vaccine then herd immunity will protect them.
So what reason would a socially responsible, considerate person have for not getting vaccinated?
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Because this new technology alters your genetic make up, I'll take my chances with that survival rate, you take your chances with the suits, simple.
You're the sensible one.
Wrong again. Must try harder.
https://fullfact.org/health/mrna-covid-vaccine/
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 11 Dec 08:48
Alters your genetic make up huh, okay then.
Like I said it`s not about the survival rate for me but the much, much lower survival rate for large swathes of our most vulnerable who can`t be vaccinated. Maybe you are right though, if everyone acts in their own self interest an invisible hand will guide society to the best overall income.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 11 Dec 09:00
If a treatment has been developed that predictably alters everybody's genetic makeup then that's huge news. I had heard that CRISPR was going to bring in new treatment vectors but the existance of an off the peg gene therapy treatment would make such a difference in our understanding of how genetics works that we would have to reevaluate what we think we know.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 11 Dec 09:01
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dander par, Fri 11 Dec 06:46
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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 22:17
But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.
Yes the MSM leftist news stories .That’s why they are going to scotus (supreme court of the United States)as the judges are corrupt in these smaller courts.
Movie Scot you will be proved wrong about these dominion voting machines 🇺🇸🎺🚄
Thanks dander but I never made any comment about Dominion machines. Cheers
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 11 Dec 09:40
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moviescot, Fri 11 Dec 09:01
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dander par, Fri 11 Dec 06:46
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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 22:17
But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.
Yes the MSM leftist news stories .That’s why they are going to scotus (supreme court of the United States)as the judges are corrupt in these smaller courts.
Movie Scot you will be proved wrong about these dominion voting machines 🇺🇸🎺🚄
Thanks dander but I never made any comment about Dominion machines. Cheers
I did, think he just got the wrong person.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 11 Dec 12:30
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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 22:17
But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.
Yes the MSM leftist news stories .That’s why they are going to scotus (supreme court of the United States)as the judges are corrupt in these smaller courts.
Movie Scot you will be proved wrong about these dominion voting machines 🇺🇸🎺🚄
Thanks dander but I never made any comment about Dominion machines. Cheers
I did, think he just got the wrong person.
I know. Gets a lot wrong
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Fri 11 Dec 13:16
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sadindiefreak, Fri 11 Dec 09:40
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JTH123, Thu 10 Dec 22:17
But why would they do that? The news stories suggest that the so called legal challenges that have been filed were laughed out of court for having absolutely no substance.
Yes the MSM leftist news stories .That’s why they are going to scotus (supreme court of the United States)as the judges are corrupt in these smaller courts.
Movie Scot you will be proved wrong about these dominion voting machines 🇺🇸🎺🚄
Thanks dander but I never made any comment about Dominion machines. Cheers
I did, think he just got the wrong person.
I know. Gets a lot wrong
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Fri 11 Dec 13:23
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 11 Dec 13:58
It would be really boring around here without a few crackpots.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 11 Dec 14:04
The list of people being advised not to take the vaccines keeps growing.....bug being sceptical is nuts eh....
So if that's nuts what fo we call the willing lab rats?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 11 Dec 14:05
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The One Who Knocks, Fri 11 Dec 08:48
Alters your genetic make up huh, okay then.
Like I said it`s not about the survival rate for me but the much, much lower survival rate for large swathes of our most vulnerable who can`t be vaccinated. Maybe you are right though, if everyone acts in their own self interest an invisible hand will guide society to the best overall income.
Have you even looked into this largely untried new technology?
The Lancet now raising concerns it can make an individual more likely to contract HIV....I mean what's not to like?
Yeah, sorry I'm just to healthy to take that risk, I don't exercise and look after my diet for nothing.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 11 Dec 14:53
Adenovirus type vectored vaccines have been known for a number of years to increase the chance of hiv infection, especially among men who engage in what are known to be high risk of transmission acts. At leady according to the Lancet which I know you read regularly.
-https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext-
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in this field can tell me what kind of vaccine the ones that will be used in the UK are.
Well done Rasta on being so healthy, I am genuinely pleased for you. I`ll be getting the jab because there are plenty of people out there who aren`t so fortunate.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 11 Dec 15:23
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The One Who Knocks, Fri 11 Dec 14:53
Adenovirus type vectored vaccines have been known for a number of years to increase the chance of hiv infection, especially among men who engage in what are known to be high risk of transmission acts. At leady according to the Lancet which I know you read regularly.
-https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext-
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in this field can tell me what kind of vaccine the ones that will be used in the UK are.
Well done Rasta on being so healthy, I am genuinely pleased for you. I`ll be getting the jab because there are plenty of people out there who aren`t so fortunate.
You’re just jealous because Rasta is clearly banging & injecting for Scotland
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 11 Dec 15:31
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da_no_1, Thu 10 Dec 15:34
Has there every been a vaccine that has had so much time effort and money pumped into it as this one? The pandemic has brought the planet to a standstill so any developments are always going to be quicker. Its really not that hard to grasp.
It’s also not hard to grasp that regardless of the pile of money thrown at it and the amount of resources on it, operating at such a fast pace leads to errors.
I am no expert but I am not convinced you can cut down a timeline from 10+ years to a matter of months without risks associated with it.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 11 Dec 16:17
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Berry, Fri 11 Dec 15:31
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da_no_1, Thu 10 Dec 15:34
Has there every been a vaccine that has had so much time effort and money pumped into it as this one? The pandemic has brought the planet to a standstill so any developments are always going to be quicker. Its really not that hard to grasp.
It’s also not hard to grasp that regardless of the pile of money thrown at it and the amount of resources on it, operating at such a fast pace leads to errors.
I am no expert but I am not convinced you can cut down a timeline from 10+ years to a matter of months without risks associated with it.
Daily the list of those that should avoid grows...the public are basically testing this.
And the tax payer will foot the bill for any "unfortunate" side effects.
Win win for the corporations.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 11 Dec 16:31
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Rastapari, Fri 11 Dec 14:05
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The One Who Knocks, Fri 11 Dec 08:48
Alters your genetic make up huh, okay then.
Like I said it`s not about the survival rate for me but the much, much lower survival rate for large swathes of our most vulnerable who can`t be vaccinated. Maybe you are right though, if everyone acts in their own self interest an invisible hand will guide society to the best overall income.
Have you even looked into this largely untried new technology?
The Lancet now raising concerns it can make an individual more likely to contract HIV....I mean what's not to like?
Yeah, sorry I'm just to healthy to take that risk, I don't exercise and look after my diet for nothing.
The Pfizer vaccine is not the ad5 type.
Pfizer is modRNA type vaccine.
The Chinese company CanSino has this type.
The Oxford vaccine is from modified chimpanzee vector which is adenovirus but not the type ad5 mentioned in the Lancet I don't really understand the difference.
So the UK approved vaccine by Pfizer does not have this increase risk of contracting HIV
If it turns out the Oxford vaccine does and it is approved them I imagine they will not give this to the specific group who are identified in the Lancet report as being at more risk.
The group identified of being at risk is uncircumcised homosexual men who indulge in unprotected anal sex.
This particular group would be better getting the Pfizer vaccine.
For someone who accuses others of scaremongering over Covid to use this increase risk of HIV in this particular group to then scaremonger about the Pfizer vaccine which is not even the type of vaccine that is effected by this is absolutely appalling.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 12 Dec 08:53
Yeah dude, you're really selling it.
Like I keep saying, you keen, on you go.
People are losing their lives, businesses,families etc for something they have to fudge the numbers for to make it look worse.
Lumping in every death within 28 days as covid.. .ah the science, the glorious science.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 12 Dec 09:49
When someone responds to you with facts thats your answer every single time "go ahead, on you go, son"......
So in a years time when we're all walking around with 3 heads speaking Flemish or whatever nonsense you say will happen you can stand there with a wee pocket rocket saying "told you so"
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 12 Dec 09:49
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Rastapari, Sat 12 Dec 08:53
Lumping in every death within 28 days as covid.. .ah the science, the glorious science.
The cynic in me reaches the opposite conclusion.
They changed the way they counted deaths a few months ago so the numbers went down and therefore the government's handling of it didn't look so bad.
Either way, the excess death figures are higher still and suggest things are worse than they claim and you believe.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 12 Dec 09:58
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parsfan, Sat 12 Dec 09:49
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Rastapari, Sat 12 Dec 08:53
Lumping in every death within 28 days as covid.. .ah the science, the glorious science.
The cynic in me reaches the opposite conclusion.
They changed the way they counted deaths a few months ago so the numbers went down and therefore the government's handling of it didn't look so bad.
Either way, the excess death figures are higher still and suggest things are worse than they claim and you believe.
How would adding flu deaths to covid ones make the numbers go down?
Please do explain.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 12 Dec 10:02
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da_no_1, Sat 12 Dec 09:49
When someone responds to you with facts thats your answer every single time "go ahead, on you go, son"......
So in a years time when we're all walking around with 3 heads speaking Flemish or whatever nonsense you say will happen you can stand there with a wee pocket rocket saying "told you so"
Da I read those facts myself, what's your point?
Nothing Sad typed sells it, does it?
You really think I wish harm on you?
That would "excite me"
What a sad little "man" you are.
Hey you could always have a go at listing the positives but you don't do that, you just do the snide patter thing.
You're enjoying the drama and the virtue of fear.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 12 Dec 10:18
``Topic Originator: dander par like | nolike
Date: Fri 11 Dec 07:08
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CAPar, Fri 11 Dec 07:07
So far these are the people/things that are corrupt in the US election :
- MSM
- Voting machines
- Election observers
- Judges in lower courts
- The Democratic Party
- Leftists whatever they are
Things that are not corrupt:
- Donald Trump
- The Supreme Court (although I`m sure that will change if they refuse to hear/rule against these cases)
Sounds plausible.
U missed ccp``
The Supreme Court can now be added to the `corrupt` list after throwing out challenges to the election results in four states. And the FDA have given emergency approval to the Pfizer vaccine which Trump has welcomed apparently. Has he been corrupted as well?
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sat 12 Dec 10:55
Looks like Dander Par will be throwing women and children behind him as he rushes to get the vaccine following his hero’s glowing endorsement of the vaccine by video;
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1337586206683574272?s=21
“President Trump touted the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) approval of a COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech on Friday, calling it "really good news" for the country.
"Today our nation has achieved a medical miracle. We have delivered a safe and effective vaccine in just nine months. It is one of the greatest scientific accomplishments in history. It will save millions of lives and soon end the pandemic once and for all," Trump said in a video posted to Twitter.
"On behalf of the American people, I'd like to thank all of the brilliant scientists, technicians, doctors and workers who made this all possible," he added.”
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 12 Dec 11:02
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Rastapari, Sat 12 Dec 09:58
How would adding flu deaths to covid ones make the numbers go down?
Please do explain.
I never mentioned flu deaths. The government had a way of counting covid deaths and ours were the worst in Europe. They changed the way they counted them and that resulted in the reported figure going down.
The same number of people were still dead of course, and a lot more than usual, but the government went out of their way to report a lower figure while you think they're trying to inflate the figure.
Flu, I think, is a bad example. Having multiple illnesses will reduce your chance of survival and both would play a part in your demise.
If, on the other hand, you test positive and remain perfectly healthy but get eaten by sharks 27 days later would you be counted as covid?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sat 12 Dec 11:11
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parsfan, Sat 12 Dec 11:02
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Rastapari, Sat 12 Dec 09:58
How would adding flu deaths to covid ones make the numbers go down?
Please do explain.
If, on the other hand, you test positive and remain perfectly healthy but get eaten by sharks 27 days later would you be counted as covid?
It actually would count. The Scottish Government released stats on how many of the "deaths within 28 days of a positive test are directly attributed to covid."
The figure was 93%.
Obviously there will be people who die of it that don't get tested as well.
I agree that the best measure we have is the excess deaths number and that is way way higher than the official number of covid deaths.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 12 Dec 12:37
You`re gonna need a bigger boat...…...
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sat 12 Dec 13:07
Re sharks - no it would not be counted as Covid no matter how many times people claim it does
“The World Health Organization (WHO) recognises this complexity and states that:
A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 disease (e.g. trauma).”
Also there are more than one indicator used;
Two deaths indicators are used by all four nations in the UK to provide a full picture of both recent trends and the longer-term burden of the disease.
The indicators used to calculate daily death figures are:
the number of deaths in people with COVID-19 that occur within 28 days of a first positive laboratory-confirmed test. This is intended to provide a headline indicator of the immediate impact of recent epidemic activity. Deaths that occur more than 28 days after a positive test will not be included in this count.
the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a first positive test. Deaths that occur after 60 days will also be added to this figure if COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. This will provide a more complete measure of the burden of the disease over time.
https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Sat 12 Dec 13:25
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wee eck, Sat 12 Dec 10:18
``Topic Originator: dander par like | nolike
Date: Fri 11 Dec 07:08
Quote:
CAPar, Fri 11 Dec 07:07
So far these are the people/things that are corrupt in the US election :
- MSM
- Voting machines
- Election observers
- Judges in lower courts
- The Democratic Party
- Leftists whatever they are
Things that are not corrupt:
- Donald Trump
- The Supreme Court (although I`m sure that will change if they refuse to hear/rule against these cases)
Sounds plausible.
U missed ccp``
The Supreme Court can now be added to the `corrupt` list after throwing out challenges to the election results in four states. And the FDA have given emergency approval to the Pfizer vaccine which Trump has welcomed apparently. Has he been corrupted as well?
Post Edited (Sat 12 Dec 10:57)
Only texas Supreme Court so far . I’m that confident joe Biden won’t be inaugurated that since nov 3rd . I’ve put 5x£100 bets on with mates/idiots who think he will . N will take some on here with funds going to the pars
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sat 12 Dec 13:38
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dander par, Sat 12 Dec 13:25
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wee eck, Sat 12 Dec 10:18
``Topic Originator: dander par like | nolike
Date: Fri 11 Dec 07:08
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CAPar, Fri 11 Dec 07:07
So far these are the people/things that are corrupt in the US election :
- MSM
- Voting machines
- Election observers
- Judges in lower courts
- The Democratic Party
- Leftists whatever they are
Things that are not corrupt:
- Donald Trump
- The Supreme Court (although I`m sure that will change if they refuse to hear/rule against these cases)
Sounds plausible.
U missed ccp``
The Supreme Court can now be added to the `corrupt` list after throwing out challenges to the election results in four states. And the FDA have given emergency approval to the Pfizer vaccine which Trump has welcomed apparently. Has he been corrupted as well?
Post Edited (Sat 12 Dec 10:57)
Only texas Supreme Court so far . I’m that confident joe Biden won’t be inaugurated that since nov 3rd . I’ve put 5x£100 bets on with mates/idiots who think he will . N will take some on here with funds going to the pars
I'm pretty sure there isn't a Texas Supreme court. Maybe I'm wrong.
The supreme court have rejected the Texan lawsuit.
The lawsuit, filed this week by the state of Texas, sought to invalidate results in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
But in a brief order rejecting the bid, the Supreme Court ruled on Friday that Texas did not have legal standing to bring the case.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 12 Dec 13:59
It was the US Supreme Court - which has a majority of Republican appointees - which rejected the appeals. You must have very deep pockets, dander par, to be betting on Biden not being inaugurated. The more likely explanation is that you are trolling.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Sat 12 Dec 14:00
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wee eck, Sat 12 Dec 13:59
It was the US Supreme Court - which has a majority of Republican appointees - which rejected the appeals. You must have very deep pockets, dander par, to be betting on Biden not being inaugurated. The more likely explanation is that you are trolling.
No. But can I ask anyone why they would want China joe to be president?
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sat 12 Dec 14:11
How do you feel about Trump endorsing the vaccine Dander Par?
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Sat 12 Dec 14:29
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P, Sat 12 Dec 14:11
How do you feel about Trump endorsing the vaccine Dander Par?[/
Bleach or hydroxachloraquine ?
Wouldn’t imagine it ll be the Pfizer/gates one on his people
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sat 12 Dec 15:39
He has said in a video tweet that the Pfizer vaccine; “is one of the greatest scientific accomplishments in history.”
So yes Donald Trump has publicly and unequivocally endorsed the Pfizer vaccine - any thoughts on that Dander?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 12 Dec 17:35
In a 17-4 vote with one abstention, the government advisers concluded that the vaccine from Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech appears safe and effective for emergency use in adults and teenagers 16 and over.
Appears .... ooer Mrs
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 14 Dec 08:49
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Buspasspar, Sat 12 Dec 17:35
In a 17-4 vote with one abstention, the government advisers concluded that the vaccine from Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech appears safe and effective for emergency use in adults and teenagers 16 and over.
Appears .... ooer Mrs
It's how scientists express themselves when there isn't absolute certainty. When my pupils carried out an experiment, they would sometimes inform me that nothing happened and should they write "No reaction" in their write up. I would tell them to write "No visible reaction" and ask them to explain the difference.
On a different tack, today sees the start of vaccinations in Scotland's care homes. Given that some residents suffer from varying degrees of dementia and may be unable to decide for themselves, who decides whether they are vaccinated or not?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 14 Dec 09:10
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GG Riva, Mon 14 Dec 08:49
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Buspasspar, Sat 12 Dec 17:35
In a 17-4 vote with one abstention, the government advisers concluded that the vaccine from Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech appears safe and effective for emergency use in adults and teenagers 16 and over.
Appears .... ooer Mrs
It's how scientists express themselves when there isn't absolute certainty. When my pupils carried out an experiment, they would sometimes inform me that nothing happened and should they write "No reaction" in their write up. I would tell them to write "No visible reaction" and ask them to explain the difference.
On a different tack, today sees the start of vaccinations in Scotland's care homes. Given that some residents suffer from varying degrees of dementia and may be unable to decide for themselves, who decides whether they are vaccinated or not?
Next of kin
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 14 Dec 12:49
Power of attorney
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Topic Originator: thepars1968
Date: Mon 14 Dec 12:56
The individual makes the decision, unless they have been assessed as lacking mental capacity. Then it’s their attorney or health professional who can make a “best interest” decision.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 15 Dec 01:21
Watched Panorama tonight. All about the Oxford vaccine development. Very interesting and well worth watching
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 15 Dec 11:52
Pfizer boss allegedly not had the vaccine because he doesn't want to jump the queue...what a gent.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 15 Dec 12:03
It is all about statistical confidence. Scientists will state a 95% confidence performance (or maybe higher if needed). In science there is never a “sure thing”. It is down to probability. In the case of this vaccine it is only ever based upon the “population” of the sample. (Population in this case is the number, not people). The population in the test is relatively limited in comparison to ALL the population. So if it was tested in 90K people then against the population of 7 billion people the subset is rather small. Therefore scientists look at the sample and lower their confidence levels as the subset is small.
So if you want a definite answer from a scientist then you will get your Boolean answer of NO!. That is the politicians and management decision. They will state it with these provisos to protect themselves. I expect it is somewhere in the small print.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 15 Dec 12:14
Did you watch Panorama last night, Rasta? Genuine question
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 15 Dec 12:49
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Rastapari, Tue 15 Dec 11:52
Pfizer boss allegedly not had the vaccine because he doesn't want to jump the queue...what a gent.
This was decided by an ethics committee not him. He also said he can't wait for his mother to get it.
If it's dodgy as you claim why would he give it to his own family?
Also if he did get it to show it was safe idiots like you would then claim it wasn't the real thing he got so there is no point doing it to create public confidence is there?
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 15 Dec 15:03
Bizarre how things come about and some things arent questioned but some things do. Someone somewhere started smoking a vape...no issue, seen as the next big thing, embraced by millions despite no idea of any short term or indeed long term effects of doing so. Inhaling directly into lungs etc. A group of medical professionals with all the resources in the world thrown at it given the impact yet people kick and scream that things arent safe.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 16 Dec 17:49
Quote :-
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey like | nolike
Date: Tue 15 Dec 15:03
Bizarre how things come about and some things arent questioned but some things do. Someone somewhere started smoking a vape...no issue, seen as the next big thing, embraced by millions despite no idea of any short term or indeed long term effects of doing so. Inhaling directly into lungs etc. A group of medical professionals with all the resources in the world thrown at it given the impact yet people kick and scream that things arent safe.
Great point P.P. and I have thought about this subject every time I see the vape smokers blowing small chimney`s of smoke from their mouths
Its almost like a look at me... how good am I ...that I have stopped inhaling nicotine... but I am inhaling chemicals that will probably do me more harm than good long term
Apart from the Gummi Bear flavour :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Dec 19:28
A lot of vapes are still nicotine. It's like saying you're no long addicted to alcohol because you've given up the beer and now only drink spirits.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 16 Dec 19:40
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jake89, Wed 16 Dec 19:28
A lot of vapes are still nicotine. It's like saying you're no long addicted to alcohol because you've given up the beer and now only drink spirits.
Nicotine is what keeps you addicted. Probably doesn't cause cancers. It's the tar and other ingredients in cigarettes that cause the illnesses. The nicotine just keeps you addicted. It probably still isn't particularly good for you.
I understand there have been several concerns raised about vaping. It can't be that good for you to inhale water droplets into your lungs.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 16 Dec 20:31
I never have and never will understand the appeal of smoking. Each to their own but I mean.....it's got tar in it!
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 17 Dec 09:13
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sadindiefreak, Tue 15 Dec 12:49
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Rastapari, Tue 15 Dec 11:52
Pfizer boss allegedly not had the vaccine because he doesn't want to jump the queue...what a gent.
This was decided by an ethics committee not him. He also said he can't wait for his mother to get it.
If it's dodgy as you claim why would he give it to his own family?
Also if he did get it to show it was safe idiots like you would then claim it wasn't the real thing he got so there is no point doing it to create public confidence is there?
The same ethics committee that led to Pfizer being fined billions for harming kids?
Yeah, quite the beacon of integrity.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 18 Dec 09:27
Saddo, I would gave thought the Pfizer boss would take it to be safe from the deadly virus, not for a publicity stunt🤔
You know, to stay safe?
It's all gone a bit quiet, is it the nurses in intensive care from adverse reactions hot you lot spooked?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Fri 18 Dec 09:36)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 18 Dec 10:10
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 18 Dec 09:27
Saddo, I would gave thought the Pfizer boss would take it to be safe from the deadly virus, not for a publicity stunt🤔
You know, to stay safe?
It's all gone a bit quiet, is it the nurses in intensive care from adverse reactions hot you lot spooked?
Several people I know have now had the first vaccine as they work in the NHS. All of them are absolutely fine. No adverse reactions so far. Most of them are now on day 3 to 5.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 18 Dec 10:31
Here is the story about the nurse from Alaska who has unfortunately seemingly taken a bad reaction to the vaccine.
-https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/16/hospital-worker-in-intensive-care-after-suffering-severe-allergic-reaction-to-covid-vaccine-13763695/-
Here is another story with the names and faces of some of the 200 front line NHS staff who have died from covid over the last few months.
-https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/nhs-workers-died-coronavirus-pandemic-19282916-
Post Edited (Fri 18 Dec 10:35)
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 18 Dec 13:40
“US Vice President Mike Pence has received Pfizer’s new Covid vaccine live on TV, becoming the most powerful person in the world to do so”
They really are struggling for tv content in these Covid times
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 18 Dec 19:59
I know a few people who have had it and they all suffered the same side effect - they can't stop talking about how they received the vaccine!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 18 Dec 22:11
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 18 Dec 09:27
Saddo, I would gave thought the Pfizer boss would take it to be safe from the deadly virus, not for a publicity stunt🤔
You know, to stay safe?
It's all gone a bit quiet, is it the nurses in intensive care from adverse reactions hot you lot spooked?
You've still not answered my question?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sat 19 Dec 03:43
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 18 Dec 09:27
Saddo, I would gave thought the Pfizer boss would take it to be safe from the deadly virus, not for a publicity stunt🤔
You know, to stay safe?
It's all gone a bit quiet, is it the nurses in intensive care from adverse reactions hot you lot spooked?
Oh well done with the name calling. Changing my username to Saddo must make you so proud of yourself.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 19 Dec 09:26
It's understandable to be nervous about vaccinations, but please don't feed people unproven stories about the vaccine. It's fine to have an opinion, but please back it with facts (this applies on both sides).
It's amazing that despite all the published research, people still believe daft stories like that schools are breeding grounds for COVID. Michaela on Facebook, who refuses to wear a mask as it's against her human rights, and just spent the afternoon fighting her way through Primark to get a set of sequined unicorn pyjamas, calling for the schools to be closed because her pal Margaret told her that her pals, pals niece has had to isolate as a friend "got the COVID".
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 19 Dec 17:52
And that`s the schools into blended learning for two weeks after the new year holidays. Maybe Michaela on Facebook knows something afterall.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 19 Dec 20:49
Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sat 19 Dec 21:44
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49
Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.
What the hell does that post mean? Seriously.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Sat 19 Dec 21:56
Quote:
moviescot, Sat 19 Dec 21:44
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49
Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.
What the hell does that post mean? Seriously.
Good post Rasta
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 19 Dec 21:59
Word soup Rasta
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 19 Dec 22:51
And as if on request the usual retorts.
You cheapen yourselves whilst obtaining what?
A like, your next breath with a smile?
What a life you live, if only I could fly to such heights...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 19 Dec 22:56
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 22:51
And as if on request the usual retorts.
You cheapen yourselves whilst obtaining what?
A like, your next breath with a smile?
What a life you live, if only I could fly to such heights...
Rasta are your family all excited about this massive family Christmas you're planning? Do they all agree with your take on Covid?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 19 Dec 22:58
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 19 Dec 22:56
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 22:51
And as if on request the usual retorts.
You cheapen yourselves whilst obtaining what?
A like, your next breath with a smile?
What a life you live, if only I could fly to such heights...
Rasta are your family all excited about this massive family Christmas you're planning? Do they all agree with your take on Covid?
Why do you assume massive?
A bit "headlineish" of you.
Bless, you remind me of me.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 19 Dec 23:06
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 22:58
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 19 Dec 22:56
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 22:51
And as if on request the usual retorts.
You cheapen yourselves whilst obtaining what?
A like, your next breath with a smile?
What a life you live, if only I could fly to such heights...
Rasta are your family all excited about this massive family Christmas you're planning? Do they all agree with your take on Covid?
Why do you assume massive?
A bit "headlineish" of you.
Bless, you remind me of me.
Sorry I worded that wrong. Apologies.
I know that my dad who's vulnerable and shielded all summer is no more keen than I am to share a turkey on boxing day. So we're not. I'll stand on his patio like I've done for the last 9 months for half an hour. I'm not risking anything. Mock if you like
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sat 19 Dec 23:06)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 20 Dec 10:50
Whilst I agree with Rasta that this can't go on forever, it won't. Things will be much easier once the vulnerable are vaccinated. Right now all it would take would be for a member of the care staff to be exposed to someone infected in the community to take out half a care home. Same applies to visits. You may be feeling fine but be infectious. You go and see a parent or grandparent and suddenly they're on a ventilator. I realise this is the extreme, but people don't want to risk it.
For those comparing it to the flu - older and vulnerable people have been immunised against flu for years.
The good news is that we're not far off being able to immunise in care homes. Staff are being immunised right now but I'd imagine residents will receive the Moderna or Astra Zenica vaccine due to how the Pfizer one is stored.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 20 Dec 14:24
The vaccine is meant to really take effect a few weeks after the second dose.
You can still catch COVID after taking the vaccine however and advice remains to be social distancing and face coverings as you’d expect.
This is going to go on for a long time yet, wouldn’t be surprised if we’re still stuck in our houses this time next year.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 20 Dec 14:42
Quote:
Berry, Sun 20 Dec 14:24
The vaccine is meant to really take effect a few weeks after the second dose.
You can still catch COVID after taking the vaccine however and advice remains to be social distancing and face coverings as you’d expect.
This is going to go on for a long time yet, wouldn’t be surprised if we’re still stuck in our houses this time next year.
If that's the case then we're all fooked.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 20 Dec 20:41
It's already been stated way out wide open that the vaccine doesn't guarantee immunity from getting or passing.
So why not sit back and let the willing test it?
This is about protection, no?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Sun 20 Dec 21:57
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Topic Originator: steaua
Date: Sun 20 Dec 22:01
The care Home my Husband is in, the staff got their covid jags last Tuesday and the Residents last Wednesday. We were along seeing George yesterday and the carer was saying there wasn`t any problems with the residents. They get their second one on the 13th of January. My Husband was looking great yesterday.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 20 Dec 22:07
That's great to hear, Steaua.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Sun 20 Dec 22:39
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 20 Dec 20:41
It's already been stated way out wide open that the vaccine doesn't guarantee immunity from getting or passing.
So why not sit back and let the willing test it?
This is about protection, no?
Rasta give up it’s a lost cause . Although we are all pars fans
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 20 Dec 22:50
Quote:
BigJPar, Sun 20 Dec 21:57
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49
Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.
This is the ramblings of someone in a parallel universe.
Or just a dude with a little more imagination than someone as beige as you?
My god you're dull.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 21 Dec 06:42
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 20 Dec 22:50
Quote:
BigJPar, Sun 20 Dec 21:57
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49
Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.
This is the ramblings of someone in a parallel universe.
Or just a dude with a little more imagination than someone as beige as you?
My god you're dull.
Finally we have it an admission that you're basing your points on imagination rather than evidence and facts. 🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 21 Dec 07:19
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Mon 21 Dec 06:42
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 20 Dec 22:50
Quote:
BigJPar, Sun 20 Dec 21:57
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49
Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.
This is the ramblings of someone in a parallel universe.
Or just a dude with a little more imagination than someone as beige as you?
My god you're dull.
Finally we have it an admission that you're basing your points on imagination rather than evidence and facts. 🤣🤣🤣
Don't twist things.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 21 Dec 09:30
My younger daughter is an NHS worker in Fife and is required to start a vaccination programme this week. Her first dose will be Pfizer but the second one, in a fortnight, is to be the grandly named Sputnik vaccine which was being snootily dismissed by the UK media a mere month ago. I assume Sputnik is easier to store thus a cheaper option, and I have noticed the anti-Putin rhetoric being dialled down in The Guardian the last two weeks.
Claims of 95% success rates with these vaccines is mighty impressive but hard to believe. Within the last 20 years the USA has recorded an average 40% success rate with its annual ‘flu vaccine which has to try and anticipate any likely mutations; some years the scientists are better able to do this than others. Those developing the Covid vaccine will surely face the same problem.
sammer
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 21 Dec 09:54
Both the Pfizer and Sputnik vaccine claim over 90% effectiveness. I don`t know if this figure should be hard to believe or not but combining different types of vaccine seemingly improves their efficacy.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/11/oxford-covid-vaccine-to-be-combined-with-sputnik-jab-for-trial
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Mon 21 Dec 16:10
Has the Sputnik vaccine been approved for use in the UK?
Only news I can see on it is that it's being combined in a trial with the Oxford vaccine, nothing about approval for use
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 21 Dec 18:13
Sputnik isn't approved yet, Sammer. It's more likely the Astra Zenica or Moderna one she'll receive.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 21 Dec 20:01
Unless she is involved in a clinical trial for the vaccine.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 21 Dec 22:16
Cheers everyone and thanks for comments. My daughter has been a midwife for over 20 years in Kirkcaldy so the chances are some of you might have met her.
She does have a sense pf humour but I don`t think she would knowingly give me false news. I will reply as soon as possible.
sammer
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Tue 22 Dec 06:33
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 22 Dec 07:38
Quote:
BigJPar, Tue 22 Dec 06:33
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 20 Dec 22:50
Quote:
BigJPar, Sun 20 Dec 21:57
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 19 Dec 20:49
Oh post away, won't change tier 4 for you.
Accept your lack of family ,friends, no fans at the football until it dies...go on...do it.
Obey the rules until you barely know how to address a loved one...laugh, ridicule all you want.
I simply say no, I say yes to warmth, to family, familiarity and connection.
Go ahead, disassemble, you are at liberty to do so.
I wish you well.
This is the ramblings of someone in a parallel universe.
Or just a dude with a little more imagination than someone as beige as you?
My god you're dull.
I live in hope that if I read enough if your crazy ramblings, 1 day I too can be as crazy, interesting and cool as you.
Again casual references to mental health, actually quite overt, I bet you would cy too if I bit back.....typically. net.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 22 Dec 10:04
I spoke to a nurse at my GP`s yesterday. She had received her first jab but had to go to Bathgate (from Edinburgh) to get it. She said they tried to organise vaccinations for everyone in the practice but were told each individual had to arrange his/her own jab.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 22 Dec 12:09
That Omnicalculator is a really useful tool, VEE.
Credit where credit is due.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 22 Dec 14:23
To clear up from yesterday, after getting a job of Pfizer my daughter will receive her second vaccine on 18th January but she is not clear what that will be. Sputnik was mentioned to her as a possibility, being produced or adapted by a company called Astra Zeneca. The Moderna vaccine was also mentioned as a possibility. Apologies for over stating the situation.
sammer
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 22 Dec 16:11
Don't be daft, sammer. No need to apologise. 🙂
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 29 Dec 15:07
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Tue 29 Dec 15:22
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 29 Dec 15:07
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?
Well the test is the same now as it was then so doubt we need a more up to date quote to confirm its unreliable overall
Post Edited (Tue 29 Dec 15:23)
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 29 Dec 15:42
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 29 Dec 16:10
Jason Leitch responded to a question about testing large swathes of the population (Boris Johnson`s moonshot plan) and said the antigen test would be a bit rubbish when being used on large numbers for those not displaying symtoms.
He clarified his statement later on;
"That test doesn`t exist. It`s fiction. One day that test may well exist and it`s an excellent concept. So I said the present test for that purpose is rubbish and that`s what was reported. Of course the present test isn`t rubbish. Do you think we would be using it for six months if it didn`t work?"
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Tue 29 Dec 17:31
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 15:42
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.
The pcr test gives over 70% false positives n the country is in lockdown because of this .n you think it’s ok not to be accurate. What planet you on ?
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 29 Dec 17:44
The .net velocity of
Rasta post > debunked > dander shouts at moon
hits breakneck speed with the full cycle complete in under 3 hours 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 29 Dec 18:04
Good to see you back Dander. Still about half an hour till the game kicks off. What's the latest update on Trump winning the election?
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Tue 29 Dec 18:16
Quote:
JTH123, Tue 29 Dec 18:04
Good to see you back Dander. Still about half an hour till the game kicks off. What's the latest update on Trump winning the election?
Jan 6 th 🇺🇸🎺🚄
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Tue 29 Dec 18:18
Quote:
P, Tue 29 Dec 17:44
The .net velocity of
Rasta post > debunked > dander shouts at moon
hits breakneck speed with the full cycle complete in under 3 hours 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
So you are happy with lockdown even when leitch is telling us that pcr isn’t accurate. Tier 5 tomorrow possibly
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 29 Dec 18:23
Excellent. I see the session is 1pm ET which is after I finish work. Need to get the popcorn in for that one. 👍
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 29 Dec 18:31
Quote:
dander par, Tue 29 Dec 17:31
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 15:42
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.
The pcr test gives over 70% false positives n the country is in lockdown because of this .n you think it’s ok not to be accurate. What planet you on ?
The current false positive rate is estimated at between 0.8% and 4%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext
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Topic Originator: SAP PAR
Date: Tue 29 Dec 20:13
Quote:
dander par, Tue 29 Dec 18:18
Quote:
P, Tue 29 Dec 17:44
The .net velocity of
Rasta post > debunked > dander shouts at moon
hits breakneck speed with the full cycle complete in under 3 hours 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
So you are happy with lockdown even when leitch is telling us that pcr isn’t accurate. Tier 5 tomorrow possibly
FFS tier 4 is the highest tier so will be hard pushed to go to tier 5
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Tue 29 Dec 21:29
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 18:31
Quote:
dander par, Tue 29 Dec 17:31
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 15:42
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.
The pcr test gives over 70% false positives n the country is in lockdown because of this .n you think it’s ok not to be accurate. What planet you on ?
The current false positive rate is estimated at between 0.8% and 4%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext
Check the WHO Website
Post Edited (Tue 29 Dec 21:31)
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 29 Dec 22:10
Quote:
dander par, Tue 29 Dec 21:29
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 18:31
Quote:
dander par, Tue 29 Dec 17:31
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 15:42
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.
The pcr test gives over 70% false positives n the country is in lockdown because of this .n you think it’s ok not to be accurate. What planet you on ?
The current false positive rate is estimated at between 0.8% and 4%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext
Check the WHO Website
I'm not trawling through the WHO website trying to find info that you claim exists. Provide a link direct to the information like I did to the lancet which debunked your claim.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 30 Dec 03:41
I think he means a Dr Who website
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Wed 30 Dec 07:13
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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 22:10
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dander par, Tue 29 Dec 21:29
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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 18:31
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dander par, Tue 29 Dec 17:31
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sadindiefreak, Tue 29 Dec 15:42
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Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
So what it's not as accurate as we would like it to be.
It's still infinity more accurate than any rubbish you have posted which repeatedly gets debunked.
The pcr test gives over 70% false positives n the country is in lockdown because of this .n you think it’s ok not to be accurate. What planet you on ?
The current false positive rate is estimated at between 0.8% and 4%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext
Check the WHO Website
I'm not trawling through the WHO website trying to find info that you claim exists. Provide a link direct to the information like I did to the lancet which debunked your claim.
Anyone else I would post it but unfortunately the guy that cost the pars my subscription money and was going to get me investigated will have to do his own research or try kary Mullis the inventor of the pcr test
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 30 Dec 09:03
Can you post the WHO link for me, then?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 30 Dec 09:20
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aaaaaaaaaargh, Wed 30 Dec 09:03
Can you post the WHO link for me, then?
😂😂🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Wed 30 Dec 09:39
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aaaaaaaaaargh, Wed 30 Dec 09:03
Can you post the WHO link for me, then?
😂😂ohh the banter
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 30 Dec 10:08
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dander par, Wed 30 Dec 09:39
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aaaaaaaaaargh, Wed 30 Dec 09:03
Can you post the WHO link for me, then?
😂😂ohh the banter
Cause there is no link.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Wed 30 Dec 13:05
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sadindiefreak, Wed 30 Dec 10:08
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dander par, Wed 30 Dec 09:39
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aaaaaaaaaargh, Wed 30 Dec 09:03
Can you post the WHO link for me, then?
😂😂ohh the banter
Cause there is no link.
Am no wanting investigated
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 31 Dec 08:00
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da_no_1, Tue 29 Dec 15:07
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Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?
Does it matter?
People are losing their livelihoods...some their lives because of this "bit rubbish" test.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 31 Dec 08:41
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Rastapari, Thu 31 Dec 08:00
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da_no_1, Tue 29 Dec 15:07
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Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?
Does it matter?
People are losing their livelihoods...some their lives because of this "bit rubbish" test.
It does matter actually. Findings and opinions change in 3 months.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 7 Jan 09:01
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da_no_1, Thu 31 Dec 08:41
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Rastapari, Thu 31 Dec 08:00
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da_no_1, Tue 29 Dec 15:07
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Rastapari, Tue 29 Dec 14:53
Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth.
Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?
Does it matter?
People are losing their livelihoods...some their lives because of this "bit rubbish" test.
It does matter actually. Findings and opinions change in 3 months.
But the test hasn't changed.
You really will accept anything this shower throw at you eh.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 7 Jan 12:22
Rasta you really need to try & stop being so confrontational. All I asked was whether his quote from 3 months ago had been updated as so much has changed over the last few weeks, never mind since September.
Not everyone is out to get you lad, believe it or not.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 7 Jan 12:25
Sitting waiting on my test result along with my wife, went to drive in at Glenrothes.
Daughter and son in law tested positive at start of this week!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 7 Jan 12:40
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da_no_1, Thu 7 Jan 12:22
Rasta you really need to try & stop being so confrontational. All I asked was whether his quote from 3 months ago had been updated as so much has changed over the last few weeks, never mind since September.
Not everyone is out to get you lad, believe it or not.
I know that, perhaps adjust the tone of your replies and I shall mine.
The testing is flawed.
Ok, so what's the endgame, live like this forever?
Watch football, music etc just die out so we have nothing but work....that's before we even get to family situations.
And please don't make casual references to mental illness, that doesn't apply here.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 7 Jan 12:42
Hope it goes well, LA.
We've had numerous tests in our family and they've come back next morning. I've heard they're taking longer just now as the Scottish labs are helping out with tests from down South as they can't cope.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 7 Jan 12:51
Rasta, on 29/12 you quoted Jason Leitch from September
"Jason Leitch admits current tests "a bit rubbish" and gives false positive results to healthy people...
Straight from the horses mouth"
All I asked was whether there was anything further to that as it was 3 months old
"Quote from Friday 11th September 2020. Anything more up to date?"
I know I can be a d1ck sometimes, but how does my reply above justify anything other than a straightforward reply?
Your latest "reply" - "You really will accept anything this shower throw at you eh."
As for the casual references to mental illness, what do you mean by that? Are you referring to the time I said someone was "aff their heed"?
Not that it matters a fk but I`m running 50 miles in January to raise money for MIND.
LA - my son went for a test yesterday morning & got a negative result later that evening, pretty impressive turnaround IMO. Best wishes to you all.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 7 Jan 14:28
Hope all goes well LA
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 7 Jan 14:46
Da so what's the end game, just being alive to work?
Like I've asked many times why aren't we talking about the most vulnerable being protected or protecting themselves?
I'm sorry but I want more than this for our children.
Unlike you I can't be bothered trawling through posts, mostly I respond in kind.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 7 Jan 15:05
Rasta for the 3rd & final time I`m not arguing with you regarding this. Not that I lose any sleep over it but you say some pretty harsh things about me, having never met me, and all I did was reply. Trust me I honestly don`t "trawl through posts" like you are claiming.
Anyway, I`m done with this convo as it doesn`t matter what I say, I seem to anger you.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 7 Jan 15:32
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da_no_1, Thu 7 Jan 15:05
Rasta for the 3rd & final time I`m not arguing with you regarding this. Not that I lose any sleep over it but you say some pretty harsh things about me, having never met me, and all I did was reply. Trust me I honestly don`t "trawl through posts" like you are claiming.
Anyway, I`m done with this convo as it doesn`t matter what I say, I seem to anger you.
Long way of saying you can't or won't answer but hey ho.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 7 Jan 15:48
Are you really asking me what my answer is to a global pandemic?
I can answer a few questions on The Chase most nights but I think that`s a bit out my reach lad!
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 7 Jan 16:50
I think most of us would agree that the answer is somewhere in between
A/ a complete lockdown where you can`t leave the house and tough luck on anyone with mental health issues or who lives alone and;
B/ Go about our daily business as usual, keep everything open and encourage people to wear masks, avoid each other`s space and wash/sanitise hands.
It`s clearly a very difficult balancing act - as evidenced by the fact that virtually no country seems to have got it absolutely right.
No amount of sniping back and forth is going to change that. Anyone taking their own life as they can`t see any other option is an absolute tragedy. Similarly, anyone losing their life to Covid, especially now, when a vaccine has started to roll out, is also a tragedy. Anyone who has to make the decisions as to how best to cater for everyone has my sympathy and best wishes in equal measure.
I don`t have an issue with the conspiracy theorists per se. It tends to be the tone taken that I do have an issue with. Somehow, if you`re adhering to the rules, you are some sort of sheep, unable to think for yourself. I think it`s disrespectful to those of us who know people who have died from Covid or those of us who know people in the front line of the NHS who are actually working with Covid patients and see how awful it is if it is caught by someone who`s body really struggles to fight it.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 7 Jan 17:23
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Buspasspar, Thu 7 Jan 14:28
Hope all goes well LA
Well wife and I positive, no symptoms, last day out 1st January at my daughter's, who has also had a positive test.🤔
Strange times!😷
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 7 Jan 17:33
Hope it's a short illness, LA. Sounds like you're both weathering it well!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 7 Jan 17:41
Hope you both recover soon LA I did read a bit back that although this new strain is spreading faster it is not as severe as the first wave .... Hope they are correct
Take care and speedy recovery
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 7 Jan 21:58
So what's everyone's thoughts on the UK's "mix and match" approach to the vaccination?
Seems to split opinion...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Thu 7 Jan 22:06
I don`t really know about that one. I think it is likely to be just as safe as giving two doses of the same vaccine, and the worst case scenario will be that the second dose doesn`t really offer any additional protection.
As long as doing this doesn`t deprive anyone else of a vaccine then it could be a good idea. It might also help to reduce waste by using vaccines instead of throwing them away at the end of the day.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 7 Jan 22:18
There's a suggestion that just the one dose probably gives sufficient protection. The roll out for this winter (current) is going to be messy. Should be better organised for next year when I would expect it'll be primarily for vulnerable people as it is for flu.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 7 Jan 22:39
Funny...a few weeks ago it was critical timing...now that they can't get the thing out fast enough.. yeah...not critical anymore.
A amazing what people on here don't question....for instance...do they know how the vaccines react to each other?
Hey ho...on you go.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Thu 7 Jan 23:12
I wouldn`t say I am not questioning it.
I just think that, from personal experience, it is probably safe to receive two different vaccines a few weeks apart.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 7 Jan 23:25
I draw cupboards for a living. Not sure I'm in a position to question the CMO about vaccinations.
And he can fk off if he tries to question whether I KD or dowel a unit together
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 7 Jan 23:29
It was the JCVI who made the decision on the vaccine period rather than CMO. Do I trust them? I trust them more than Michelle on Facebook who has suddenly become an expert on epidemiology.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 7 Jan 23:32
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jake89, Thu 7 Jan 23:29
It was the JCVI who made the decision on the vaccine period rather than CMO. Do I trust them? I trust them more than Michelle on Facebook who has suddenly become an expert on epidemiology.
Sorry I meant the dude who was on with Sturgeon today.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Fri 8 Jan 00:05
I`m happy to take a vaccine and it has already been said that we would not mix for second dose in Scotland.
I take the flu vaccine despite never having flu in my life although my wife got it a few times and once ended up in ICU with pneumonia caused by it.
Just showed me how serious it could get so take the vaccine as maybe the world can get a wee bit back to how it was.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 8 Jan 07:08
Don’t care just want to get it. As has already been pointed out it was announced days ago vaccines won’t be mixed in Scotland.
An observation though, complaining about lockdown while simultaneously scratching around for ways to undermine the roll out of the vaccine seems very counterintuitive.
Like it or not, agree or don’t it is very clear that vaccine deployment is the only way that restrictions are going to be eased in the long run so by all means decline yourself (and rely on others to provide the herd immunity that will in turn likely protect you) but don’t decry others for doing what they think is right for getting through this thing.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 8 Jan 09:22
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P, Fri 8 Jan 07:08
Don’t care just want to get it. As has already been pointed out it was announced days ago vaccines won’t be mixed in Scotland.
An observation though, complaining about lockdown while simultaneously scratching around for ways to undermine the roll out of the vaccine seems very counterintuitive.
Like it or not, agree or don’t it is very clear that vaccine deployment is the only way that restrictions are going to be eased in the long run so by all means decline yourself (and rely on others to provide the herd immunity that will in turn likely protect you) but don’t decry others for doing what they think is right for getting through this thing.
I'm not decrying anything, I'm saying go for it, please do in fact.
And for the avoidance of doubt I didn't read about mixing and matching vaccines from Sharon or Karen on facebook, the British Medical Journal has comment on it , was just wondering how you all felt about following the science...that isn't really being followed, that's all.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 8 Jan 09:57
Has it not been stated by Nicola Sturgeon, in Holyrood, that the policy in Scotland is not to mix vaccines?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 8 Jan 10:56
You've missed my point, Rasta.
Firstly, they are not mixing vaccines in Scotland.
Secondly, there is no evidence on whether or not mixing doses would work. It might work, it might not. However, I would trust medical professionals to make this call rather than the idiots on Facebook who do more harm than good with their fish wives tales. I wasn't suggesting you specifically follow people of Facebook. I was suggesting that me, personally, will listen to the professionals rather than Joe Bloggs. And that works for if the professionals highlight something that goes against what the government advise.
It's worth noting that on things such as the delay in the second dose, medical professionals didn't say this wouldn't work. They said they couldn't guarantee it as they hadn't tested it. Obviously they can't test the efficacy after 3 months because they have barely had the vaccine for 3 months! What they do advise is that a single dose offers 70 to 90% protection. So the reality is that it may transpire that one dose is enough or that at a single dose needs adapted to give better protection. I've no idea. I'm not a medical professional.
What's incredibly concerning is the amount of gibberish being shared on social media and reported in the media. The media has a clever trick of having a sensationalist headline and then explaining the reality in the story. The problem is that people see a headline like "Vaccine shortages" and that's all people read. They miss the bit where a government advisor states there are no shortages.
If we go back on the topic of mental health - my father in law is someone who has to shield due to age and underlying health conditions. Yesterday my mother-in-law was on the phone sounding royally fed up as he was miserable saying his life was over, may as well end it now, not enough vaccine, he'd be way down the list etc. This is the impact of reading the utter drivel shared on social media and the media in general. Yes, the likes of the Lancet and BMJ exist, but they are written for professionals. The average reading age in the UK is around 9 years of professional education (so 13/14). The majority of people will not be able to fully understand medical research pieces.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Fri 8 Jan 11:09
The BMJ article seems fairly reasonable.
It looks like they are fine with mixing the vaccines but it shouldn`t be the standard of care and should only be used when the same vaccine isn`t available.
It is important to note that a lack of evidence of efficacy is very different from evidence of a lack of efficacy. The main reason that they don`t have evidence is because they haven`t looked for it yet.
The way I look at it, if they don`t have the correct 2nd dose vaccine to give to someone then they have three choices. Don`t vaccinate them, give them another vaccine, or postpone the vaccination. The second option doesn`t look any worse than the other two to me.
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Fri 8 Jan 14:11
Most of the vaccines will be administered by nurses. As the mixing of vaccines has not been tested and approved by clinical trials, any nurse administering a mix will be putting their NMC registration at risk and opening themselves to being struck off if any problems arise. Currently it is a hot topic of conversation and many will refuse to administer the second dosage of vaccine if it does not match the original type given.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 8 Jan 15:01
BJ's father first in line, now getting his second jab!😷🤬🤬
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Fri 8 Jan 15:21
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LochgellyAlbert, Fri 8 Jan 15:01
BJ's father first in line, now getting his second jab!😷🤬🤬
Have to ask LA if you were social distancing how did YYOU get cóvid from your family.?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 8 Jan 16:33
Was at my daughter's on New Year day, 2 bubbles only, so within guidelines, we have child minding duties as my daughter is a teacher.
My daughter is convinced that the infection came from my 1year old grandson, when he attended nursery.
He was sent home because of diarrhoea, something track and trace say they are hearing more off in children.
Still no symptoms, absolutely frozen, feel like I've been beaten with a stick!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 8 Jan 16:43
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LochgellyAlbert, Fri 8 Jan 16:33
Was at my daughter's on New Year day, 2 bubbles only, so within guidelines, we have child minding duties as my daughter is a teacher.
My daughter is convinced that the infection came from my 1year old grandson, when he attended nursery.
He was sent home because of diarrhoea, something track and trace say they are hearing more off in children.
Still no symptoms, absolutely frozen, feel like I've been beaten with a stick!
Take care of yourself dude✌✊
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 8 Jan 16:58
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert like | nolike
Date: Fri 8 Jan 15:01
BJ`s father first in line, now getting his second jab!😷🤬🤬
Scandalous ....Its before he flies off to France where he has applied for citizenship he said he has always felt he was French .... Well mangetout and take yer Son with you
Hope all goes well LA
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 8 Jan 17:37
+1 to the get well soon crew.
Hopefully you have a speedy recovery buddy.
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Fri 8 Jan 19:05
Yes LA I wish you a full and speedy recovery.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 8 Jan 19:22
Maybe if you turned the heating on the wife would stop hitting you with the broom handle, LA 😉
Hope your all feeling better soon.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 8 Jan 21:48
I’ll be roond with a scrubbing brush and dettol LA 😘
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 9 Jan 10:11
Deaths within 28 days of taking the vaccine rising.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 9 Jan 10:58
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Rastapari, Sat 9 Jan 10:11
Deaths within 28 days of taking the vaccine rising.
Yeah, I personally hope to avoid having to take the vaccine until its been properly tested, with long term data. Do you have data, Rasta
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 9 Jan 12:13
Deaths within 28 days of people who have not taken the vaccine are also rising. Unfortunately the vaccine doesn`t inoculate anyone against dying.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sat 9 Jan 12:14
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Rastapari, Sat 9 Jan 10:11
Deaths within 28 days of taking the vaccine rising.
Can you provide any evidence whatsoever to show that people who have received the vaccine are dying due to receiving the vaccine?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 9 Jan 12:29
I've read of two people dying but neither has been directly linked to a vaccine. That's also two out of millions.
I just had a prawn sandwich. If I die today, will it be the fault of that prawn sandwich? It was reduced to being best of today.
Rasta, have you got any links to any data on this?
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 9 Jan 12:29
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sadindiefreak, Sat 9 Jan 12:14
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Rastapari, Sat 9 Jan 10:11
Deaths within 28 days of taking the vaccine rising.
Can you provide any evidence whatsoever to show that people who have received the vaccine are dying due to receiving the vaccine?
As long as there's one it's gone up. Over a million in the UK have had it, mostly elderly, and many more across the world. I expect it to be factually correct but utterly meaningless.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sat 9 Jan 12:45
Apparently the number of people speaking Spanish within 28 days of getting the vaccine is rising. It was virtually zero before christmas and now it is in the hundreds of thousands.
Post Edited (Sat 09 Jan 13:14)
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Sat 9 Jan 13:06
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jake89, Sat 9 Jan 12:29
I've read of two people dying but neither has been directly linked to a vaccine. That's also two out of millions.
I just had a prawn sandwich. If I die today, will it be the fault of that prawn sandwich? It was reduced to being best of today.
Rasta, have you got any links to any data on this?
Expect the usual. Do your own research. That's all the big man can spout.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 9 Jan 18:56
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buffy, Fri 8 Jan 21:48
I’ll be roond with a scrubbing brush and dettol LA 😘
As long as you've got your nurses uniform on!😷😎😘
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Sat 9 Jan 19:13
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Sat 9 Jan 21:44
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EEP, Sat 09 Jan 19:13
LochgellyAlbert do you live in Scotland?
No families should have met up on New Year’s Day as it was on Xmas day 2 could meet. My wee lads isolation was on Xmas day so no meeting up with family etc.
Post Edited (Sat 09 Jan 20:16)
Lochgelly Australia
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 9 Jan 23:02
"No families should have met up on New Year’s Day as it was on Xmas day 2 could meet."
I don`t think that was necessarily the case EEP. If LAs daughter is the only adult in her household then she would have been able to form an extended household with LAs household.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 Jan 23:21
I see Liz and Phil have had their jabs. I hope they didn`t have to queue too long for them!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 10 Jan 07:56
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sadindiefreak, Sat 9 Jan 12:14
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Rastapari, Sat 9 Jan 10:11
Deaths within 28 days of taking the vaccine rising.
Can you provide any evidence whatsoever to show that people who have received the vaccine are dying due to receiving the vaccine?
You have really read/got my post have you.
We count ANY death within 28 days of a covid test as covid.
Apply the same rules to the vaccine and it's not so safe looking is it? Numbers somewhat skewed eh.
However in saying that, more reports of deaths within a few days of getting the vaccine but hey it's ok because to be expected.
Maybe not relish if opportunity to have a go so much, you're desperate.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 10 Jan 07:58
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Thaipar, Sat 9 Jan 13:06
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jake89, Sat 9 Jan 12:29
I've read of two people dying but neither has been directly linked to a vaccine. That's also two out of millions.
I just had a prawn sandwich. If I die today, will it be the fault of that prawn sandwich? It was reduced to being best of today.
Rasta, have you got any links to any data on this?
Expect the usual. Do your own research. That's all the big man can spout.
Says the bitter wee Nyaff😂😂
I know all about you wee fella, not much liked amongst Pars fans bless.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Sun 10 Jan 08:15
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Rastapari, Sun 10 Jan 07:58
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Thaipar, Sat 9 Jan 13:06
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jake89, Sat 9 Jan 12:29
I've read of two people dying but neither has been directly linked to a vaccine. That's also two out of millions.
I just had a prawn sandwich. If I die today, will it be the fault of that prawn sandwich? It was reduced to being best of today.
Rasta, have you got any links to any data on this?
Expect the usual. Do your own research. That's all the big man can spout.
Says the bitter wee Nyaff😂😂
I know all about you wee fella, not much liked amongst Pars fans bless.
And what's your point caller?
Am I supposed to be bitter about my height😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sun 10 Jan 13:34
Given there are 80,000 deaths in the UK from people diagnosed with Covid in the previous 4 weeks, it's clearly true that some of those people would have died whether they caught it or not.
That doesn't necessarily equate to the fact that it's not particularly serious or that the hospitals aren't bursting at the seams in places.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 10 Jan 13:51
That's why it's better to look at excess death figures.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sun 10 Jan 14:40
There's issues with that figure too though.
The only fair comparison would be a hypothetical where one country locked down and the other did not - and then look at the differential. The problem being that no two countries, or their people, are identical.
I think most of us feel that the lockdowns are in some way effective when it comes to reducing transmission and subsequent death. It is kicking the can down the road, but that's the whole point, which will hopefully be vindicated with the roll out of the vaccines.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Sun 10 Jan 19:38
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 12 Jan 10:46
Quote:
BigJPar, Sun 10 Jan 19:38
Our resident covid expert really does need to take a break.
Things are out of control in this country yet he's still spouting unproven nonsense.
Have you nothing better to do than repeat conspiracy theory rubbish?
Tell that to my six dead friends.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Tue 12 Jan 11:51
[Post Deleted] - Reported as abusive
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 12 Jan 15:26
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Thaipar, Tue 12 Jan 11:51
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Rastapari, Tue 12 Jan 10:46
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BigJPar, Sun 10 Jan 19:38
Our resident covid expert really does need to take a break.
Things are out of control in this country yet he's still spouting unproven nonsense.
Have you nothing better to do than repeat conspiracy theory rubbish?
Tell that to my six dead friends.
So your 6 dead friends died from unrelated causes to cóvid. And you still spout conspiracy.
No you little cretin, suicide, paused cancer treatments and a mates son overdosed and wasn't found for a time because of isolation.
You really are a complete dolt aren't you, shame we'll never meet in person because I'd love to see you being wide out from behind your keyboard.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Tue 12 Jan 20:05
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Tue 12 Jan 20:38
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Rastapari, Tue 12 Jan 15:26
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Thaipar, Tue 12 Jan 11:51
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Rastapari, Tue 12 Jan 10:46
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BigJPar, Sun 10 Jan 19:38
Our resident covid expert really does need to take a break.
Things are out of control in this country yet he's still spouting unproven nonsense.
Have you nothing better to do than repeat conspiracy theory rubbish?
Tell that to my six dead friends.
So your 6 dead friends died from unrelated causes to cóvid. And you still spout conspiracy.
No you little cretin, suicide, paused cancer treatments and a mates son overdosed and wasn't found for a time because of isolation.
You really are a complete dolt aren't you, shame we'll never meet in person because I'd love to see you being wide out from behind your keyboard.
So as I said nothing to do with cóvid directly. Suicide is a personal choice. Cancer not much anybody can do about that, and a drug overdose don't have anything related to cóvid. So what are you wanting us to tell your 6 mates?
The causes of death you state have been happening for many decades.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Tue 12 Jan 20:59
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Tue 12 Jan 21:23
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EEP, Tue 12 Jan 20:59
Thaipar all of what Rasta has said can be related to Covid if you have a wee think about it.
Honestly you really are a wee nasty bit of work tbh.
None of it can. These causes of death have happened for decades, cóvid has been around for 1 year.
Family and friends of mine died of cancer in the past. Debunked.
Friends have committed suicide in the past. Debunked.
People I knew have died from drug overdoses. Debunked.
Just because a storyteller says something repeatedly doesn't make it true.
Try thinking.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Tue 12 Jan 21:29
OK this current argument is in very bad taste... Can we move on please.
Remember.... We cannot close threads at the moment so if this nonsense goes any further we will delete the whole thread.
You have all been warned.
Admin
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Tue 12 Jan 21:45
Unbelievable , not having any of that at all. Some people never learn.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 12 Jan 21:50
Wow....
Yeah...
If y'all want a list of names, circumstances, methods etc, drop me a line.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Tue 12 Jan 22:05
This is now dealt with, I'd appreciate more playing the ball rather than the man from now on.Some behaviours are beyond the pale.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Tue 12 Jan 22:12
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Tue 12 Jan 22:14
My missus got hers today(work related). Not grown a third leg or a sixth finger yet....
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 12 Jan 22:34
I may be contrary to popular leanings but in all honesty I live life experiencially, through my eyes and no one else's, I make no apology for that.
We all have our ways of viewing this current situation, it's been divisive and will continue to be so.
Personally I don't like to see a long standing member black carded, especially when they pay a contribution toward the club via live stream, if he can get that stream, good.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Tue 12 Jan 22:41
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Jan 10:04
And there we have it....vaccine passports for greater freedoms.
I did say this was coming, more or less making the rushed vaccine mandatory, we're on a slippery slope now.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 13 Jan 10:21
Who cares? I've absolutely nothing to hide so have no concerns
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Jan 10:27
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da_no_1, Wed 13 Jan 10:21
Who cares? I've absolutely nothing to hide so have no concerns
Because vaccination should be a choice, not forced on people who are tightly wary of an untried technology.
What has it got to do with having anything to hide?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 13 Jan 12:32
It is a choice; get the vaccine or curtail your activities to minimise risk until Covid is under control (if indeed that is how it will be used since I have not seen anything detailing what it will be used for).
Immunity passports have been around since the plague (wiki has an Italian one from 1722) it’s a modern entitlement attitude that it’s a choice not to have the vaccine but still expect the benefits that those vaccinated receive.
In more positive news England to move to 24/7 vaccinations as soon as possible. Hopefully Scotland follows suit.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Jan 12:39
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P, Wed 13 Jan 12:32
It is a choice; get the vaccine or curtail your activities to minimise risk until Covid is under control (if indeed that is how it will be used since I have not seen anything detailing what it will be used for).
Immunity passports have been around since the plague (wiki has an Italian one from 1722) it’s a modern entitlement attitude that it’s a choice not to have the vaccine but still expect the benefits that those vaccinated receive.
In more positive news England to move to 24/7 vaccinations as soon as possible. Hopefully Scotland follows suit.
That's not a choice that's a command, for a vaccine that they admit changes nothing, you still have to distance, wear a mask and can still get and pass on covid.....
Wait, you're saying being allowed to see my family is an "entitlement"?
Wow, I'm sorry but that's weak.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Wed 13 Jan 12:40)
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 13 Jan 12:56
Where has it been said that vaccine passports will be used to stop you seeing your family? How would that even work, sorry Mum you can’t come in until you show me your vaccine certificate?
The only calls I have seen for vaccine passports has been in relation to international travel although realise there is every chance it could be used to give added freedom in regards to gathering in public places
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Jan 13:13
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P, Wed 13 Jan 12:56
Where has it been said that vaccine passports will be used to stop you seeing your family? How would that even work, sorry Mum you can’t come in until you show me your vaccine certificate?
The only calls I have seen for vaccine passports has been in relation to international travel although realise there is every chance it could be used to give added freedom in regards to gathering in public places
Now being mentioned in terms of shopping, fairly necessary, family contact, leisure activities and travel, that is in no way a choice.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Jan 13:16
And u turn by the CDC, now saying healthy people don't need testing, of course the UK will reject that, cos boris and co know better.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 13 Jan 13:34
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Rastapari, Wed 13 Jan 13:13
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P, Wed 13 Jan 12:56
Where has it been said that vaccine passports will be used to stop you seeing your family? How would that even work, sorry Mum you can’t come in until you show me your vaccine certificate?
The only calls I have seen for vaccine passports has been in relation to international travel although realise there is every chance it could be used to give added freedom in regards to gathering in public places
Now being mentioned in terms of shopping, fairly necessary, family contact, leisure activities and travel, that is in no way a choice.
Mentioned by who?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Wed 13 Jan 13:35
Quote:
P, Wed 13 Jan 12:56
Where has it been said that vaccine passports will be used to stop you seeing your family? How would that even work, sorry Mum you can’t come in until you show me your vaccine certificate?
Rasta, I have a request. If you could just resist the temptation to sensationalise and not extend rational comments to mean something different my head would be far less likely to fall off through being overshaken. [Puts on the proverbial tin hat].
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 13 Jan 13:48
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 13 Jan 13:56
The UK is wary of making such things compulsory. More likely immunity passports will become necessary to access public life, which stops short of absolute compulsion. It would be like requiring an MOT certificate to make sure your car was roadworthy, although there is of course no requirement to own a car or drive one on a public highway.
Not that an MOT guarantees absolute truth of roadworthiness and can, I was once told, only be challenged legally for the day it was issued. You also have to cough up money every year to have an MOT renewed which is a nice earner for some garages. In 1960 when MOTs were introduced the test was quite basic and only cost £17 in today’s money. Covid Immunity Certificates, if introduced, would very likely follow a similar route, with the range of vaccines required by a citizen to prove good health increasing over the years.
sammer
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Jan 14:00
There are already vaccine passports. Have been for years.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Jan 14:01
Quote:
sammer, Wed 13 Jan 13:56
The UK is wary of making such things compulsory. More likely immunity passports will become necessary to access public life, which stops short of absolute compulsion. It would be like requiring an MOT certificate to make sure your car was roadworthy, although there is of course no requirement to own a car or drive one on a public highway.
Not that an MOT guarantees absolute truth of roadworthiness and can, I was once told, only be challenged legally for the day it was issued. You also have to cough up money every year to have an MOT renewed which is a nice earner for some garages. In 1960 when MOTs were introduced the test was quite basic and only cost £17 in today’s money. Covid Immunity Certificates, if introduced, would very likely follow a similar route, with the range of vaccines required by a citizen to prove good health increasing over the years.
Or like, for example, a passport.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 13 Jan 15:05
Thaipar black carded (again) and not before time.
How he escaped from his first one is still a riddle.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 09:13
I'll say only this, I genuinely hope the videos starting to seep through of people filming relatives adverse reactions to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines get debunked, if they don't, utterly horrendous.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Thu 14 Jan 09:25
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 14 Jan 10:03
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BigJPar, Thu 14 Jan 09:25
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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 09:13
I'll say only this, I genuinely hope the videos starting to seep through of people filming relatives adverse reactions to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines get debunked, if they don't, utterly horrendous.
Pretty sure they will be.
They already have been. Not saying there have been no allergic reactions because there have been. However, there are more reactions to the MMR vaccine then any covid vaccine.
Post Edited (Thu 14 Jan 10:09)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 10:11
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moviescot, Thu 14 Jan 10:03
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BigJPar, Thu 14 Jan 09:25
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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 09:13
I'll say only this, I genuinely hope the videos starting to seep through of people filming relatives adverse reactions to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines get debunked, if they don't, utterly horrendous.
Pretty sure they will be.
They already have been.
By whom and where?
Genuinely interested...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 10:26
The videos from a Brant Griner of his mother, again genuinely interested, that been debunked yet?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 14 Jan 10:43
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 10:26
The videos from a Brant Griner of his mother, again genuinely interested, that been debunked yet?
It's already out there. Find it yourself 😉
Only kidding. All vaccines have reactions in some cases. So far (note SO FAR), instances are low.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 14 Jan 10:52
Rasta - you seem very selective about what you take heed of & what you believe to be true on the internet.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 10:55
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da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 10:52
Rasta - you seem very selective about what you take heed of & what you believe to be true on the internet.
No I was genuinely interested if it had been debunked was all.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Thu 14 Jan 10:56)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 11:20
The vaccine doesn't stop transmission, doesn't stop you getting the virus, doesn't negate social distancing or the need for a mask, in fact going by the news it doesn't change much at all.
So with that in mind, from our own beloved scientists, why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?
And just what is it 95% effective in doing?
We know it's 100% effective in making money but going by the UK media and government scientists I'm just not hearing many benefits?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 14 Jan 11:43
Yep you`ll still need to socially distance and wear a mask where and when appropriate once the vaccine has been delivered as it doesn`t kick in immediately. It takes several weeks for it to be effective. By effective it means quite often in lessening the severity of the symptoms and while few vaccines can completely stop transmission trials of the covid vaccines suggest they do reduce the ability of the virus to travel between humans.
A far better explanation of it all here
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccines-questions-social-distance-mask-transmission
As for a healthy person getting the jab who has little to fear from a harmful case of covid (other than life having a habit of punishing such hubris) is that healthy people getting the vaccine means that those who can`t get it due to medical reasons (repressed imuune systems due to cancer treatments, transplant patients, etc) have less chance of catching it from others.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 14 Jan 11:48
"why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?"
Where do these people live? The moon?
I think I`m now at the point where I`m giving up with you. You have previously listed the friends & relatives you know that are/have unfortunately suffering/suffered from depression & cancer amongst other horrible conditions but no-one you know has caught or is currently ill with Covid?
I hope & pray that this remains the case.
It looks like there is no reasoning with you. You won`t take the vaccine for whatever reasons (most of them internet based), so I suppose you will take the risk that you could catch Covid but it won`t harm you or you friends & family too seriously. That`s fair enough. What I really don`t care for is you trying to persuade others to follow your lead. Attitudes like yours will help to ensure we are stuck with this fkn virus & lockdowns forever.
So on behalf of everyone who wants to get back to some sort of normality, I thank you.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 12:03
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 11:48
"why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?"
Where do these people live? The moon?
I think I`m now at the point where I`m giving up with you. You have previously listed the friends & relatives you know that are/have unfortunately suffering/suffered from depression & cancer amongst other horrible conditions but no-one you know has caught or is currently ill with Covid?
I hope & pray that this remains the case.
It looks like there is no reasoning with you. You won`t take the vaccine for whatever reasons (most of them internet based), so I suppose you will take the risk that you could catch Covid but it won`t harm you or you friends & family too seriously. That`s fair enough. What I really don`t care for is you trying to persuade others to follow your lead. Attitudes like yours will help to ensure we are stuck with this fkn virus & lockdowns forever.
So on behalf of everyone who wants to get back to some sort of normality, I thank you.
You are exactly right, not seen anyone come to harm from covid, that's a fact.
Oh so you're blaming me for your lockdown yeah?
How very weak of you, how about you take responsibility for yourself, you think I'm not locked down or following the rules?
I'm just asking what the benefits to me are of taking the vaccine.
How cheap to blame everyone else like a good little Tory, you think by playing along you're going to get your freedoms back eh?
From this lot?
What do you base that on, their integrity?
Previous form?
You've not caused one pang of guilt here.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 14 Jan 12:42
Rasta, low risk people may NOT be vaccinated. The judgement on that will be made based on science and data. The priority just now is vaccinating those most vulnerable. So, as I've mentioned on here before, most people on this forum are likely at the bottom of the pile in terms of receiving it.
You could compare this to the flu vaccination programme. Older people and people with conditions like asthma and diabetes are more at risk so get this annually. The rest of us get it if we want to give Lloyds a tenner.
There's a lot of talk about travel rules but, to my knowledge, no country has set long term plans to say someone needs evidence of vaccination to enter a country.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 14 Jan 12:44
Source of above statement about potentially not being vaccinated is Nicola Steadman (DCMO). She won't know yet either though.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 14 Jan 12:56
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 12:03
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da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 11:48
"why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?"
Where do these people live? The moon?
I think I`m now at the point where I`m giving up with you. You have previously listed the friends & relatives you know that are/have unfortunately suffering/suffered from depression & cancer amongst other horrible conditions but no-one you know has caught or is currently ill with Covid?
I hope & pray that this remains the case.
It looks like there is no reasoning with you. You won`t take the vaccine for whatever reasons (most of them internet based), so I suppose you will take the risk that you could catch Covid but it won`t harm you or you friends & family too seriously. That`s fair enough. What I really don`t care for is you trying to persuade others to follow your lead. Attitudes like yours will help to ensure we are stuck with this fkn virus & lockdowns forever.
So on behalf of everyone who wants to get back to some sort of normality, I thank you.
You are exactly right, not seen anyone come to harm from covid, that's a fact.
Oh so you're blaming me for your lockdown yeah?
How very weak of you, how about you take responsibility for yourself, you think I'm not locked down or following the rules?
I'm just asking what the benefits to me are of taking the vaccine.
How cheap to blame everyone else like a good little Tory, you think by playing along you're going to get your freedoms back eh?
From this lot?
What do you base that on, their integrity?
Previous form?
You've not caused one pang of guilt here.
Rasta. You are a very lucky person not to have known anyone who has had covid.
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Thu 14 Jan 13:04
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 12:03
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 11:48
"why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?"
Where do these people live? The moon?
I think I`m now at the point where I`m giving up with you. You have previously listed the friends & relatives you know that are/have unfortunately suffering/suffered from depression & cancer amongst other horrible conditions but no-one you know has caught or is currently ill with Covid?
I hope & pray that this remains the case.
It looks like there is no reasoning with you. You won`t take the vaccine for whatever reasons (most of them internet based), so I suppose you will take the risk that you could catch Covid but it won`t harm you or you friends & family too seriously. That`s fair enough. What I really don`t care for is you trying to persuade others to follow your lead. Attitudes like yours will help to ensure we are stuck with this fkn virus & lockdowns forever.
So on behalf of everyone who wants to get back to some sort of normality, I thank you.
You are exactly right, not seen anyone come to harm from covid, that's a fact.
Oh so you're blaming me for your lockdown yeah?
How very weak of you, how about you take responsibility for yourself, you think I'm not locked down or following the rules?
I'm just asking what the benefits to me are of taking the vaccine.
How cheap to blame everyone else like a good little Tory, you think by playing along you're going to get your freedoms back eh?
From this lot?
What do you base that on, their integrity?
Previous form?
You've not caused one pang of guilt here.
Maybe you need to talk to people who work in acute hospitals to understand the real consequences of Covid!!!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 13:16
Quote:
charlie1, Thu 14 Jan 13:04
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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 12:03
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da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 11:48
"why would a healthy person under no threat from covid risk any sort of adverse reaction?"
Where do these people live? The moon?
I think I`m now at the point where I`m giving up with you. You have previously listed the friends & relatives you know that are/have unfortunately suffering/suffered from depression & cancer amongst other horrible conditions but no-one you know has caught or is currently ill with Covid?
I hope & pray that this remains the case.
It looks like there is no reasoning with you. You won`t take the vaccine for whatever reasons (most of them internet based), so I suppose you will take the risk that you could catch Covid but it won`t harm you or you friends & family too seriously. That`s fair enough. What I really don`t care for is you trying to persuade others to follow your lead. Attitudes like yours will help to ensure we are stuck with this fkn virus & lockdowns forever.
So on behalf of everyone who wants to get back to some sort of normality, I thank you.
You are exactly right, not seen anyone come to harm from covid, that's a fact.
Oh so you're blaming me for your lockdown yeah?
How very weak of you, how about you take responsibility for yourself, you think I'm not locked down or following the rules?
I'm just asking what the benefits to me are of taking the vaccine.
How cheap to blame everyone else like a good little Tory, you think by playing along you're going to get your freedoms back eh?
From this lot?
What do you base that on, their integrity?
Previous form?
You've not caused one pang of guilt here.
Maybe you need to talk to people who work in acute hospitals to understand the real consequences of Covid!!!
Or maybe live my life how I experience it,not you or anyone else, yeah?
Oh I know a person who has had it, came to no harm, thing is I don't know anyone linked to any friend where covid has been remotely harmful and I know quite a lot of people.
Sorry I don't live my life through other people, just me.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Thu 14 Jan 13:38
If you only live your life as you see it why are you raising concerns about some bloke posting made-up videos about a fictitious mum?
You seem to be prepared to believe anything unless it comes from a mainstream source.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 14 Jan 14:10
Here’s some info on the dangers of the vaccine based on what is known in US.
Seems the vaccine in much more dangerous than the flu vaccine but less dangerous than eating food
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2021/01/what-data-show-allergic-reactions-covid-vaccines-cvd/
I don’t get Rastas motivations really as clearly distressed about personal experiences of tragic collateral damage caused by the Covid circus but while the vaccine is clearly the only way out he still looks to undermine it at every turn despite this being the route to reducing the chances of the same thing happening in the future 🤷🏻♂️.
By all means don’t get it but surely there are more pertinent questions to be asked like what are the actual planned roll out dates by grouping (and contingency planning), what needs to be seen to happen in response to the vaccine and then what is the plan for getting us out of restrictions, why do they seem to be looking at vaccination centre options now, surely they knew vaccine was coming and had scenario planned roll out options.
We should have evidence that the Gov are not making it all up on the hoof, they could caveat everything to the hilt but there is a refusal to treat us like adults.
It’s a massive project, there has to be a plan, there has to be expected results and there has to be expected benefits and these must all be tracked somewhere.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 14:21
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JTH123, Thu 14 Jan 13:38
If you only live your life as you see it why are you raising concerns about some bloke posting made-up videos about a fictitious mum?
You seem to be prepared to believe anything unless it comes from a mainstream source.
Do try reading, I asked if it had been debunked, I wasn't prepared to believe it, yeah?
Sit down.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 14:25
P my motivation is looking after my own health and those around me, I have in fact in this thread encouraged those who want the vaccine to go get it.
So we're already being told that taking the vaccine and risking, albeit minimall, adverse reactions, I simply ask why take that risk when the risk of covid on my generally healthy body is equally if not more so minimal?
And this looking to blame anyone that questions, really, what about all those choosing to get on a plane with 2 or hundred other people, selfish, no?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Thu 14 Jan 14:27)
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 14 Jan 14:43
Sorry don’t understand the plane reference so I’ve probably misunderstood
However answer to your comment on why would a healthy person take it the answer would be it would train their immune systems to fight the virus so they don't become sick. Young healthy people do have serious illness through Covid so not getting sick sounds a good thing.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 14 Jan 14:52
I'm heading to the Western General on Wednesday to get my Pfizer first dose.
It will be a relief to be honest and my colleagues who had it in the past few weeks are all still perfectly fine.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 14:58
Quote:
P, Thu 14 Jan 14:43
Sorry don’t understand the plane reference so I’ve probably misunderstood
However answer to your comment on why would a healthy person take it the answer would be it would train their immune systems to fight the virus so they don't become sick. Young healthy people do have serious illness through Covid so not getting sick sounds a good thing.
If you are healthy with a good immune system that will suffice, I've looked after myself for that reason, a healthy immune system does not need "trained". In fact a young healthy person can be immune or trained by going through the virus.
The plane reference is simple, who is more selfish, someone who is simply questioning the vaccine but following the rules....or someone getting on a plane with 300 other folks for a wee break in the sun?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Thu 14 Jan 15:21
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 14 Jan 15:24
I don’t know anyone flying off to the Sun so you’re on your own there and your assertion that young people need not care is simply wrong
“Even though all-cause mortality due to COVID-19 may not be known for a while, two new studies highlight that 173,300 (79.5%) of excess deaths from March through August were COVID related, with 4,535 deaths occurring from March through July in younger adults ages 25 to 44, or 38% of all excess deaths in that group.
Data from the latter study helped inspire a New York Times editorial yesterday by the likely next director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and her colleagues, who tried to dispel the myth that the disease is not deadly in younger adults.
The first study, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, found that almost 220,000 excess deaths occurred between March and August, even after adjusting for a growing and aging US population. The second study, a JAMA research letter, reported that COVID-related deaths in young adults exceeded opioid overdoses, a leading cause of death in this age-group, in 20% of US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) regions during the first half of the pandemic”
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Thu 14 Jan 15:29
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 14:21
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JTH123, Thu 14 Jan 13:38
If you only live your life as you see it why are you raising concerns about some bloke posting made-up videos about a fictitious mum?
You seem to be prepared to believe anything unless it comes from a mainstream source.
Do try reading, I asked if it had been debunked, I wasn't prepared to believe it, yeah?
Sit down.
But why even bother about it. If you look hard enough you will find real cases where people get ill effects after taking the vaccine. We didn't know my sister was allergic to penicillin till she was given some in the mid 70s and was hospitalised. The reality is that it does far far more good than harm to the vast majority.
By the way don't kid yourself about being healthy being enough to protect you from the effects of the virus. My 14 year old football player laddie is fit as a fiddle and suffered from it much more than I did.
And please, try not to be so condescending in your responses. It does you no favours.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 15:48
P I didn't read your post, I stopped at "young people need not care"
I didn't say that, don't misquote me, thanks in advance.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Thu 14 Jan 16:01
A 'vaccine passport' for travel and maybe for large group events like concerts, attending east end, etc would seem a pretty logical move to me to allow these things to start up again.
Not all that different to requiring a blue badge to park in a disabled space at the supermarket.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 16:36
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Jeffery, Thu 14 Jan 16:01
A 'vaccine passport' for travel and maybe for large group events like concerts, attending east end, etc would seem a pretty logical move to me to allow these things to start up again.
Not all that different to requiring a blue badge to park in a disabled space at the supermarket.
And what about those who cannot take it?
Life over?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 14 Jan 17:00
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 14:58
Quote:
P, Thu 14 Jan 14:43
Sorry don’t understand the plane reference so I’ve probably misunderstood
However answer to your comment on why would a healthy person take it the answer would be it would train their immune systems to fight the virus so they don't become sick. Young healthy people do have serious illness through Covid so not getting sick sounds a good thing.
If you are healthy with a good immune system that will suffice, I've looked after myself for that reason, a healthy immune system does not need "trained". In fact a young healthy person can be immune or trained by going through the virus.
The plane reference is simple, who is more selfish, someone who is simply questioning the vaccine but following the rules....or someone getting on a plane with 300 other folks for a wee break in the sun?
A young healthy immune system is not going to help you if you catch covid. My wife and my daughter caught it. My wife would say that she is not that fit whereas my daughter is young fit and healthy. My wife suffered more symptoms than my daughter and was sicker whilst ill. My daughter's symptoms were less but have lasted much longer and she still gets breathless two weeks later.
Strangely I have not caught it although, because of previous illnesses, I have a reduced immune system and a couple of underlieing health issues
So I can't agree that having a good immune system and being healthy is going to prevent you getting covid. I submit that you are just lucky or have not come into contact with covid people which makes you doubly lucky.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 17:11
Quote:
moviescot, Thu 14 Jan 17:00
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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 14:58
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P, Thu 14 Jan 14:43
Sorry don’t understand the plane reference so I’ve probably misunderstood
However answer to your comment on why would a healthy person take it the answer would be it would train their immune systems to fight the virus so they don't become sick. Young healthy people do have serious illness through Covid so not getting sick sounds a good thing.
If you are healthy with a good immune system that will suffice, I've looked after myself for that reason, a healthy immune system does not need "trained". In fact a young healthy person can be immune or trained by going through the virus.
The plane reference is simple, who is more selfish, someone who is simply questioning the vaccine but following the rules....or someone getting on a plane with 300 other folks for a wee break in the sun?
A young healthy immune system is not going to help you if you catch covid. My wife and my daughter caught it. My wife would say that she is not that fit whereas my daughter is young fit and healthy. My wife suffered more symptoms than my daughter and was sicker whilst ill. My daughter's symptoms were less but have lasted much longer and she still gets breathless two weeks later.
Strangely I have not caught it although, because of previous illnesses, I have a reduced immune system and a couple of underlieing health issues
So I can't agree that having a good immune system and being healthy is going to prevent you getting covid. I submit that you are just lucky or have not come into contact with covid people which makes you doubly lucky.
I didn't say protected from getting covid though, it CAN prevent mortality and any serious damage, even Witty et all have said that.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 14 Jan 17:23
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 17:11
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moviescot, Thu 14 Jan 17:00
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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 14:58
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P, Thu 14 Jan 14:43
Sorry don’t understand the plane reference so I’ve probably misunderstood
However answer to your comment on why would a healthy person take it the answer would be it would train their immune systems to fight the virus so they don't become sick. Young healthy people do have serious illness through Covid so not getting sick sounds a good thing.
If you are healthy with a good immune system that will suffice, I've looked after myself for that reason, a healthy immune system does not need "trained". In fact a young healthy person can be immune or trained by going through the virus.
The plane reference is simple, who is more selfish, someone who is simply questioning the vaccine but following the rules....or someone getting on a plane with 300 other folks for a wee break in the sun?
A young healthy immune system is not going to help you if you catch covid. My wife and my daughter caught it. My wife would say that she is not that fit whereas my daughter is young fit and healthy. My wife suffered more symptoms than my daughter and was sicker whilst ill. My daughter's symptoms were less but have lasted much longer and she still gets breathless two weeks later.
Strangely I have not caught it although, because of previous illnesses, I have a reduced immune system and a couple of underlieing health issues
So I can't agree that having a good immune system and being healthy is going to prevent you getting covid. I submit that you are just lucky or have not come into contact with covid people which makes you doubly lucky.
I didn't say protected from getting covid though, it CAN prevent mortality and any serious damage, even Witty et all have said that.
Don't want to pi55 on your fireworks here but having an underdeveloped immune system is possibly why younger people are less effected.
Coronavirus is one of the diseases where a healthy immune system can go into overdrive and end up killing the victim. It's known as a Cytokine storm.
Hopefully if you got it you would be OK but having a healthy immune system does not make that a certainty.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 17:41
Sadindiefreak, there are no certainties in life, none , except eventual death, not quite sure your point here?
So that CAN happen yeah?
What's the difference in saying an adverse reaction to the vaccine CAN happen?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Thu 14 Jan 17:51)
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 14 Jan 18:01
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 17:41
Sadindiefreak, there are no certainties in life, none , except eventual death, not quite sure your point here?
So that CAN happen yeah?
What's the difference in saying an adverse reaction to the vaccine CAN happen?
You are making a claim that if you have a healthy immune system there is nothing to worry about.
I'm doing nothing more that pointing out that this is not the case.
I made no mention of vaccines whatsoever.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 18:20
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 14 Jan 18:01
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 17:41
Sadindiefreak, there are no certainties in life, none , except eventual death, not quite sure your point here?
So that CAN happen yeah?
What's the difference in saying an adverse reaction to the vaccine CAN happen?
You are making a claim that if you have a healthy immune system there is nothing to worry about.
I'm doing nothing more that pointing out that this is not the case.
I made no mention of vaccines whatsoever.
Again another poster misquoting me, I did not say nothing to worry about.
Way more people survive without any repercussions than don't, as most of you like to say, the figures don't lie...or do they?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 14 Jan 18:42
Mither is getting hers next week 😊
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 14 Jan 19:33
This thread is as well being closed. It's like one big lassie fight in the playground
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 14 Jan 19:40
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 18:20
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sadindiefreak, Thu 14 Jan 18:01
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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 17:41
Sadindiefreak, there are no certainties in life, none , except eventual death, not quite sure your point here?
So that CAN happen yeah?
What's the difference in saying an adverse reaction to the vaccine CAN happen?
You are making a claim that if you have a healthy immune system there is nothing to worry about.
I'm doing nothing more that pointing out that this is not the case.
I made no mention of vaccines whatsoever.
Again another poster misquoting me, I did not say nothing to worry about.
Way more people survive without any repercussions than don't, as most of you like to say, the figures don't lie...or do they?
Ok you didn't say the exact words "nothing to worry about" but what you did say means exactly the same.
"If you are healthy with a good immune system that will suffice"
Thats not misquoting its paraphrasing.
I was showing that this is not factually correct due to the Cytokine storm where a healthy immune system can actually be what kills you.
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Topic Originator: DulochConvert
Date: Thu 14 Jan 19:47
I see that the BBC are reporting Pimlico Plumbers are requiring all new staff to have the jab and rewriting the contracts of existing employees. So the social requirement begins!
The fact that this is illegal should be the point of the article but it doesn’t suit the rhetoric we are being subjected to.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 14 Jan 19:49
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 19:33
This thread is as well being closed. It's like one big lassie fight in the playground
That would be the decision of the OP.
Nowt on here that merits closing the thread... Apart from what you mentioned but that's normal for this place.
Admin
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 14 Jan 19:52
I see a plumbing company in London called Pimlico Plumbing (I'll leave the Vaccine Passport to Pimlico joke for now} have announced they won't be hiring anyone who doesn't have the vaccine when it's fully available. They are in the process of seeing how they can alter the contracts of their existing 350 staff. I would imagine many other firms will follow suit.
Looks like people may be left with the choice not to have the vaccine, but if they don't they won't have jobs, travel opportunities, leisure pursuits, etc
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 20:04
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 14 Jan 19:40
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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 18:20
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sadindiefreak, Thu 14 Jan 18:01
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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 17:41
Sadindiefreak, there are no certainties in life, none , except eventual death, not quite sure your point here?
So that CAN happen yeah?
What's the difference in saying an adverse reaction to the vaccine CAN happen?
You are making a claim that if you have a healthy immune system there is nothing to worry about.
I'm doing nothing more that pointing out that this is not the case.
I made no mention of vaccines whatsoever.
Again another poster misquoting me, I did not say nothing to worry about.
Way more people survive without any repercussions than don't, as most of you like to say, the figures don't lie...or do they?
Ok you didn't say the exact words "nothing to worry about" but what you did say means exactly the same.
"If you are healthy with a good immune system that will suffice"
Thats not misquoting its paraphrasing.
I was showing that this is not factually correct due to the Cytokine storm where a healthy immune system can actually be what kills you.
Again though is that prevalent ?
Is it a common occurrence, like everything it CAN happen but really isn't likely to is it?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Thu 14 Jan 20:34)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 20:06
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 14 Jan 19:52
I see a plumbing company in London called Pimlico Plumbing (I'll leave the Vaccine Passport to Pimlico joke for now} have announced they won't be hiring anyone who doesn't have the vaccine when it's fully available. They are in the process of seeing how they can alter the contracts of their existing 350 staff. I would imagine many other firms will follow suit.
Looks like people may be left with the choice not to have the vaccine, but if they don't they won't have jobs, travel opportunities, leisure pursuits, etc
Sorry, what "choice" does that represent, that coersion, no?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 14 Jan 20:51
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 20:04
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sadindiefreak, Thu 14 Jan 19:40
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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 18:20
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sadindiefreak, Thu 14 Jan 18:01
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Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 17:41
Sadindiefreak, there are no certainties in life, none , except eventual death, not quite sure your point here?
So that CAN happen yeah?
What's the difference in saying an adverse reaction to the vaccine CAN happen?
You are making a claim that if you have a healthy immune system there is nothing to worry about.
I'm doing nothing more that pointing out that this is not the case.
I made no mention of vaccines whatsoever.
Again another poster misquoting me, I did not say nothing to worry about.
Way more people survive without any repercussions than don't, as most of you like to say, the figures don't lie...or do they?
Ok you didn't say the exact words "nothing to worry about" but what you did say means exactly the same.
"If you are healthy with a good immune system that will suffice"
Thats not misquoting its paraphrasing.
I was showing that this is not factually correct due to the Cytokine storm where a healthy immune system can actually be what kills you.
Again though is that prevalent ?
Is it a common occurrence, like everything it CAN happen but really isn't likely to is it?
It may be very prevalent.
This is early on in the pandemic but in this article it mentions a study with 21 covid patients where 11 had increased Cytokines. And also states a significant proportion of those hospitalised have increased cytokines.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200417/cytokine-storms-may-be-fueling-some-covid-deaths
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 14 Jan 21:16
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 14 Jan 20:06
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 14 Jan 19:52
I see a plumbing company in London called Pimlico Plumbing (I'll leave the Vaccine Passport to Pimlico joke for now} have announced they won't be hiring anyone who doesn't have the vaccine when it's fully available. They are in the process of seeing how they can alter the contracts of their existing 350 staff. I would imagine many other firms will follow suit.
Looks like people may be left with the choice not to have the vaccine, but if they don't they won't have jobs, travel opportunities, leisure pursuits, etc
Sorry, what "choice" does that represent, that coersion, no?
That is exactly what I mean, there is going to be no choice really
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 21:37
Sadindiefreak, sorry just not to clog up with quotes...
That's a bit like me saying there will or could be adverse reactions to the vaccine is it not?
Adverse reactions obviously being more prevalent amongst the vaccinated?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Thu 14 Jan 21:48
Has anyone here had the jab? Do you get something to prove you’ve had it? I’ve had the flu jab in the last but never been given anything to say I’ve had it. How will Mullins know if new employees at Pimlico have had the jab or not?
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Thu 14 Jan 22:04
Ohh quelle surprise, pimlico plumbers owner millionaire several times over and.........a tory party donor.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 14 Jan 22:06
The human rights lawyers will have something to say about that.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 22:11
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da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 22:06
The human rights lawyers will have something to say about that.
And yet it's something of a conspiracy theory when I mentioned this sort of thing was coming 🤔
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 14 Jan 22:33
To be fair, Pimlico will be doing this so they can claim their workers are "safe" when working in homes. THIS-IS-NOT-THE-CASE! The vaccine protects you, not others. It does not stop you getting covid but helps you fight it.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 14 Jan 22:40
Can't be bothered arguing anymore. I'm oot
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Thu 14 Jan 23:04)
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Topic Originator: DulochConvert
Date: Thu 14 Jan 23:05
Do you want a fkn tufty badge.
Give it a fkn rest min
Can I have one?
I have the Denis the Menace fan club ones and a Banana Man T’Shirt from a Nutty joke published.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 14 Jan 23:10
There ye go 🤣
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Topic Originator: DulochConvert
Date: Thu 14 Jan 23:15
Cheers widtink.
Now just need a Green Cross Code badge to complete the set
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jan 23:17
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 14 Jan 22:40
Can't be bothered arguing anymore. I'm oot
No wonder, you've literally come out with something I would say...bon voyage.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 14 Jan 23:24
Quote:
widtink, Thu 14 Jan 23:10
There ye go 🤣
😁😁😁😁
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 15 Jan 06:40
Never liked tufty. Always felt he was government fed nonsense. Gnasher badge for me as it had bristles.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 15 Jan 08:29
Quote:
jake89, Thu 14 Jan 22:33
To be fair, Pimlico will be doing this so they can claim their workers are "safe" when working in homes. THIS-IS-NOT-THE-CASE! The vaccine protects you, not others. It does not stop you getting covid but helps you fight it.
To follow up on this - Pimlico have said they will NOT sack anyone who refuses the vaccine.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 18 Jan 07:40
No debate on the rising death toll after taking the vaccine?
Or us it because, like covid, the deaths tend to be in over 80 yr olds?
Death from covid....quick, lock everyone down, death linked to vaccine....nothing go see here, just an old person with underlying conditions.
Contradictory hypocrites.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 18 Jan 08:05
If you think some dotnetters have wildly differing views on Covid vaccination, consider that of Brazil's President Bolsonaro. He has categorically stated that he will not be taking the vaccines which are now being rolled out in the country and that he is genuinely worried that those who do will turn into alligators.
And I thought Trump was a nugget.......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 18 Jan 08:10
The contrary view is that we see the world through our own eyes and our own experiences.
Many of us have had experience of someone dying due to Covid. The person I knew was well under 80, had no known health issues and was not overweight.
A member of my extended family is the nurse in charge of the main Covid ward in one of the UK's major cities. She's seen, first hand, the awful things this virus does to people of all ages. Her staff are working round the clock to help, at risk to their own health through exhaustion.
On the other side, I've no experience of anyone I know suffering from a vaccine.
Maybe it's time to show a bit of empathy or compassion?
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Mon 18 Jan 08:19
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 18 Jan 08:05
If you think some dotnetters have wildly differing views on Covid vaccination, consider that of Brazil's President Bolsonaro. He has categorically stated that he will not be taking the vaccines which are now being rolled out in the country and that he is genuinely worried that those who do will turn into alligators.
And I thought Trump was a nugget.......
My sister in law got the vaccine the other day... Says she feels great 😀
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 18 Jan 08:27
LOL ^^^^^^
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 18 Jan 13:09
Quote:
widtink, Mon 18 Jan 08:19
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GG Riva, Mon 18 Jan 08:05
If you think some dotnetters have wildly differing views on Covid vaccination, consider that of Brazil's President Bolsonaro. He has categorically stated that he will not be taking the vaccines which are now being rolled out in the country and that he is genuinely worried that those who do will turn into alligators.
And I thought Trump was a nugget.......
My sister in law got the vaccine the other day... Says she feels great 😀
That's very funny, Widdy and it would be even funnier if Bolsonaro wasn't the President of Brazil. His comments were reported by Tim Vickery on RS. He lives in Rio and usually reports on Brazilian football. If Brazilians are as gullible as some American voters, you have to think some of them will be dissuaded from receiving the vaccine.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 19 Jan 08:04
Not like Rasta to miss a vaccine scare story;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/covid-vaccine-rabbi-gay-b1788543.html
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Wed 20 Jan 22:27
Interesting that science can find a treatment for MND and it`s dubbed amazing by all (and rightly so), but science finds a treatment for covid in double quick time and its met with scepticism from so many.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 20 Jan 22:40
Quote:
davepars, Wed 20 Jan 22:27
Interesting that science can find a treatment for MND and it`s dubbed amazing by all (and rightly so), but science finds a treatment for covid in double quick time and its met with scepticism from so many.
That's an excellent point. No scepticism from a certain poster.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 20 Jan 22:45
To play devil's advocate on that one, MND is 100% guaranteed to kill you, slowly robbing you of your independence and dignity in the process.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Wed 20 Jan 23:30
Guarantee of death or not, the science helps to fix the problem.
Theres 90 odd thousand people mourning the loss of a loved one to this virus in the UK.
I`d imagine there are people out there who covid will 100% kill if they get it.
PS - healthy debate. I understand the term devils advocate :)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 22 Jan 07:34
You all call me a conspiracy theorist whilst believing Boris et al have your best interests at heart, pretty wild😂
All those tax dodging billionaires, yep, all out to save you, utterly hilarious Stockholm Syndrome.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 22 Jan 08:24
Morning Rasta!
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 22 Jan 08:57
It’s really quite bizarre to conflate the desire to safely exit a global pandemic with an allegiance to the Tory party. Perhaps everyone should update their signature with a note renouncing the Tory party to prevent future confusion.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 22 Jan 09:33
I'm pretty sure virtually - or maybe literally - no-one on .net is under the illusion that BJ, Gove, Williamson, Hancock or Patel give the slightest f*** about their wellbeing.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 22 Jan 12:02
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Fri 22 Jan 09:33
I'm pretty sure virtually - or maybe literally - no-one on .net is under the illusion that BJ, Gove, Williamson, Hancock or Patel give the slightest f*** about their wellbeing.
....and Mr Rees-Mogg?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 22 Jan 12:13
It wasn't necessarily meant to be an exhaustive list...
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Fri 22 Jan 12:56
Stockholm Syndrome.....LOL
Science buddy....science.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Fri 22 Jan 13:23
Quote:
davepars, Fri 22 Jan 12:56
Stockholm Syndrome.....LOL
Science buddy....science.
Funny how things go in 3s. I've been watching the Stockholm Requiem series recently on All4 and I just had a call from a colleague who's currently there. Spooky.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 23 Jan 10:47
Meanwhile one year on in Wuhan the narrative seems to be that some big boys done it and ran away
[URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55765875[URL]
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 23 Jan 12:14
Thanks Widders. What did I do wrong there?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sat 23 Jan 12:19
You forgot the / in front of the second url
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sat 23 Jan 13:28
The UK approach regarding vaccination seems to be a case of ‘Never mind the quality, feel the width.’
There has been a fair amount of war imagery used in the battle against Covid, and increasingly it resembles WW1 where the majority of the fighting is trench warfare with daily casualty lists but little obvious progress. Back in March we were told it would all be over by Xmas as by then we would have developed a new wonder weapon, apparently forgetful that any enemy or indeed virus will regroup and adapt to the changing terrain.
Now that the notion of a fast, decisive victory has receded it is not clear to me what form a future victory or armistice will take.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 23 Jan 13:54
Sammer. I'm sorry but that's just tosh. Even in the summer I was reading articles about there being no guarantee that the boffins would be able to create a vaccine.
And are you really criticising them for trying to get as many people jabbed as quickly as possible cause that's how it sounds.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sat 23 Jan 14:36
The PM did say at the outset that things would be back to normal by Xmas. That was around the time he talked of sombreros, muggers and whacking moles but before we were being told of a ‘world beating’ track and trace system. The ‘magic bullet’ of a vaccine was being heralded later than that it is true, but without any codicils about Covid19 mutating. We were being promised a short ‘war,’ which demanded short term sacrifices from citizens.
None of this has materialised so we now have Priti Patel coming on screen to shift the responsibility for failure on to ‘unpatriotic’ citizens. The tabloids do their bit and regularly report on teenage raves and street parties, as if these rare events could possibly be the reason for the infection rate rising across the UK. The Labour Party has surpassed itself by demanding something like total lockdown- whatever that is- apparently unaware that the biggest sufferers during lockdown are not businesses but actually people who sell their labour.
Regards vaccination, at present the UK position is to ignore the recommendations about the use of Pfizer from the company which produces it. There is little point crowing about high vaccination rates- as was happening two weeks ago- if there is not enough of the vaccine to finish off the programme in the required time. As I understand, no other European countries are contemplating a 12 week gap between injections apart from the UK government which is patting itself on the back for better vaccination rates.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 23 Jan 14:59
I work in a very technical industry where formal testing of products is of the utmost importance. The products are designed to save people's lives in fires.
Its not that uncommon for situations to arise that weren't foreseen or for some other reason weren't part of the tested scenarios. When that happens, very clever people look at the data and publish judgements based on their findings.
Now I'd hazard that this is what has happened here with the new variant of the virus. The end decision will no doubt have been taken by the politicians and there will undoubtedly be a degree of calculated risk involved. Presumably the modelling suggested that the risk would be far greater in not getting larger numbers of people their first jab sooner. Otherwise why would they do it?
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sat 23 Jan 15:45
People put far too much importance on what Pfizer says.
They are a private company who have tested their product under strict conditions (i.e. a 21 day interval between doses). They can only guarantee that their vaccine works under these conditions, because this is the way they tested it.
As JTH123 says, some clever people will have looked at the data, and previous data from other vaccines, and decided that it might be better overall to prioritise first doses over second doses.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 23 Jan 16:49
Quote:
davepars, Fri 22 Jan 12:56
Stockholm Syndrome.....LOL
Science buddy....science.
Yeah about that science, the WHO have changed the guidance on the testing, science eh.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 23 Jan 16:50
A lot of people dying within 28 days of taking the vaccine.
Science.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 23 Jan 17:27
A lot of people are dying lad.
Remember the crying baby picture in the 70s. "Oh it's bad luck.....every house with that picture burnt down "......yeah well every house had that picture FFS......
You dont have twist things to suit your own mad wee agenda 😁
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 23 Jan 17:31
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 23 Jan 16:50
A lot of people dying within 28 days of taking the vaccine.
Science.
Can you provide a link to that data?
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 23 Jan 17:39
Quote:
jake89, Sat 23 Jan 17:31
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Rastapari, Sat 23 Jan 16:50
A lot of people dying within 28 days of taking the vaccine.
Science.
Can you provide a link to that data?
Even if there is data, I don't think they can categorically state it was the vaccine that killed these people!
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 23 Jan 18:09
Quote:
jake89, Sat 23 Jan 17:31
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 23 Jan 16:50
A lot of people dying within 28 days of taking the vaccine.
Science.
Can you provide a link to that data?
Same question.
Given the demographics recieving it (only >80's in Scotland right now) and with the time it takes for the body to manufacture a resistance, it wouldn't be a stretch to see some sadly pass away in the period after receiving it. No?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 23 Jan 18:56
Topic Originator: Jeffery like | nolike
Date: Sat 23 Jan 18:09
Quote:
jake89, Sat 23 Jan 17:31
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 23 Jan 16:50
A lot of people dying within 28 days of taking the vaccine.
Science.
Can you provide a link to that data?
Same question.
Given the demographics recieving it (only >80`s in Scotland right now) and with the time it takes for the body to manufacture a resistance, it wouldn`t be a stretch to see some sadly pass away in the period after receiving it. No?
Similar thoughts here jeffery and wondering that if the most vulnerable get the jab as the introduction to the virus into their body to build a resistance maybe it is too much for the older systems to cope with ? .... thereby their frailty and possible underlying health issues cannot defend the simulated virus ?
Any how my auld Pal Chrissie is in her 90`s and in Hospital and has not had the vaccine up til now which I find strange
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 23 Jan 20:19
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 23 Jan 18:56
Topic Originator: Jeffery like | nolike
Date: Sat 23 Jan 18:09
Quote:
jake89, Sat 23 Jan 17:31
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 23 Jan 16:50
A lot of people dying within 28 days of taking the vaccine.
Science.
Can you provide a link to that data?
Same question.
Given the demographics recieving it (only >80`s in Scotland right now) and with the time it takes for the body to manufacture a resistance, it wouldn`t be a stretch to see some sadly pass away in the period after receiving it. No?
Similar thoughts here jeffery and wondering that if the most vulnerable get the jab as the introduction to the virus into their body to build a resistance maybe it is too much for the older systems to cope with ? .... thereby their frailty and possible underlying health issues cannot defend the simulated virus ?
Any how my auld Pal Chrissie is in her 90`s and in Hospital and has not had the vaccine up til now which I find strange
My guess would be that someone in hospital is probably being treated for a serious illness and could therefore be on a combination of drugs. These can't possibly all have been tested for reaction with the vaccine so they'll hold off administering the vaccine until recovered. Known as a 'contraindication'.
There's also the fact that your vital signs will be monitored while being treated for the main cause of being in hospital. Lots of people say they feel 'mildly under the weather' after any vaccination so any positive/negative results of the main treatment could be obscured by the vaccine administration.
Hope you friend is feeling better soon.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sat 23 Jan 20:36
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 23 Jan 18:56
Similar thoughts here jeffery and wondering that if the most vulnerable get the jab as the introduction to the virus into their body to build a resistance maybe it is too much for the older systems to cope with ? .... thereby their frailty and possible underlying health issues cannot defend the simulated virus ?
This was the thinking at first when they discovered the numbers dying. The thought it could be loss of fluids due to diarrhoea that vaccines can cause.
They analysed the numbers that were dying in carehomes and discovered the numbers were in line with the number of deaths they normally had in the same period. Around 400 a week were dying. At the time they discovered there may be an issue the figures still were 400 a week.
Obviously something they need to monitor.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 24 Jan 12:23
Guernsey has been Covid free with no social distancing needed since 11th June. Their scottish association was publicising their forthcoming burns supper on friday with 300 attending. Then 4 cases were discovered and the island was put into immediate lockdown yesterday.
Hearing from family there this morning that there's now 26 cases. Just shows how rapidly this thing spreads when its unchecked.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 25 Jan 14:32
Got my jab letter today .. 13th Feb .. Queen Margaret Uni drive through .. 22 miles from home
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 25 Jan 15:37
Buspasspar - My uncle is getting his in Methil, but he lives near there so maybe that explains the difference. He also has a few underlying health problems. I have no idea if they take that into account when they send the letters?
Didn`t I read somewhere that they were going be vaccinating at East End Park, or did I dream that?
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Mon 25 Jan 15:46
Quote:
aaaaaaaaaargh, Mon 25 Jan 15:37
Buspasspar - My uncle is getting his in Methil, but he lives near there so maybe that explains the difference. He also has a few underlying health problems. I have no idea if they take that into account when they send the letters?
Didn`t I read somewhere that they were going be vaccinating at East End Park, or did I dream that?
East end park & Dunfermline East Church at Duloch supposed to be venues from 1st February
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 25 Jan 16:10
I got my letter today - disappointed it wasn`t in a blue envelope. Saturday 6 Feb at EICC but should be home in time for the Arbroath game with Farmer Alan!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 25 Jan 16:38
Cheers aaaaaaaaaargh I am in North Berwick so probably Central for most of the Lothian side Hope your Uncle is OK
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 25 Jan 16:40
Topic Originator: wee eck like | nolike
Date: Mon 25 Jan 16:10
I got my letter today - disappointed it wasn`t in a blue envelope. Saturday 6 Feb at EICC but should be home in time for the Arbroath game with Farmer Alan!
Mine was in a blue envelope wee eck... letter signed by Nicola and a ten bob note enclosed to buy a big mac at the drive thru :)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 25 Jan 17:41
The envelope wasn`t blue and I`m green with envy, Bpp. You`ve got to wonder if half the blue envelopes sent to Glasgow pensioners won`t be opened!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 25 Jan 18:44
Like that wee eck :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 26 Jan 12:20
Quote:
aaaaaaaaaargh, Mon 25 Jan 15:37
Buspasspar - My uncle is getting his in Methil, but he lives near there so maybe that explains the difference. He also has a few underlying health problems. I have no idea if they take that into account when they send the letters?
Didn`t I read somewhere that they were going be vaccinating at East End Park, or did I dream that?
Yes, those with health problems are being offered the vaccine before older people with none. I have a friend who has an appt for early Feb. He's 72 but is asthmatic and diabetic.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Tue 26 Jan 17:15
That makes sense.
The vaccination levels are getting pretty high now. Even if the vaccine is only 60 or 70% effective we should start seeing major effects in the next two or three weeks. I`m fed up with scientists and politicians trying to stop people from getting their hopes up!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 26 Jan 17:22
The politicians need to shut up tbh. Go with what the experts say rather than what they "think".
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Tue 26 Jan 17:27
To be honest quite a lot of the scientists need to shut up, too.
There are far too many who are straying into political discussions when they should really be presenting the facts and letting the politicians make the calls either way.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 26 Jan 17:54
"To be honest quite a lot of the scientists need to shut up, too.
There are far too many who are straying into political discussions when they should really be presenting the facts and letting the politicians make the calls either way."
Agreed - there`s a few who think they`re celebrities now. Po-faced on Breakfast TV every sodding morning telling us how grim everything is.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 26 Jan 19:16
Mither had hers last week. She had a couple of days where she had muscle aches and a wee headache, but that was expected and she’s fine noo. Her next dose is in April.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Tue 26 Jan 22:09
It`s really good to hear about all the vaccinations.
Second doses usually cause fewer side effects than the first one, so hopefully your mum will hardly even notice the effect in April.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Tue 26 Jan 22:21
Looks like the wee wars have started over supply of vaccines now.And countries now suing vaccine companies over supply shortages.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 27 Jan 11:14
We're already being buttered up for this year being a write off....you can't say I didn't warn you.
So how long do you think football clubs will last?
Small businesses?
People with mental health issues?
People waiting on treatments that won't come?
Any kind of retail choice other than Amazon and the likes?
Cinemas?
Gyms?
Live music?
Save the NHS when the biggest threat is Tories selling it to their pals.
Take a vaccine to remain under the same restrictions.
A generation of educational disruption.
Billions that could have been spent on protecting the vulnerable going to posh kids with start up companies while small businesses are encouraged to spend thousands to be covid safe then told they have to close anyway.
Suicides.
The continued cuts on benefits during a pandemic
The restraints on family interaction.
Tiers, they're here to stay and the only justification will be numbers on a screen, bit like the budget for track and trace.
People having sever side effects after taking the vaccine or dying (I know, expected but ok because covid).
The normal interactions of everyday life.
People medically exempt from wearing a mask facing abuse....
No jab no travel, no job, no shop.
Barely any access to mental health services despite numerous studies showing both adults and children are suffering from that lack of social interaction.
All this and much more so our government can shirk responsibility and steal billions.
If you think for one second that Boris and co care anything about your health or any of these issues you're nuts.
But yeah, two weeks to flatten the curve, follow the science says a government following little but money, all there is is covid no real discussion on other measures or the above, just covid and control.
This whole thing is an absolute disgrace.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 27 Jan 11:26
That is a stoater of a post Rasta and I agree with a lot of it
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 27 Jan 11:35
Which parts in particular do you agree with Buspass? I`ll try and get back later but about to leave for work.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 27 Jan 12:08
Ach towk they are only my opinions so probably not worth starting another 20 posts of counter opinions
Take care
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 27 Jan 12:34
I`m not under any illusion that BJ & co care much about me or your average Joe. I also have no doubt that they have awarded contracts to those who are friends of the Tory party. Covid or no Covid, they would have done that anyway.
In a sense, we deserve what we get. If we are prepared to vote against a PR voting system in the UK and against home rule, you run the risk of a rabble like this lot running the country with a majority in parliament. If that happens during a particularly difficult time, it just amplifies what`s wrong with the system.
However, unless the sight of people`s parents and grandparents lying dead in hospital corridors is one that we are happy to endure so that we keep our "freedoms" at all times, I am yet to hear the alternative to the current policy. The one that seems to have been put in place by most governments around the world, regardless of their political persuasion.
If you try and reduce the spread of the disease, then role out a vaccine, it would seem to offer us the best chance of us ever getting back to normal.
I am suspicious about how the disease started, but that`s also another argument.
If Rasta is suggesting that we shouldn`t give up our freedom of movement and interaction somewhat, you`re going to kill off a bunch more people than will be killed off with the current policy. Ironically enough, that`s precisely what Dominic Cummings apparently suggested at an early meeting of the minds at the start of all this.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 27 Jan 12:35
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 27 Jan 11:35
Which parts in particular do you agree with Buspass? I`ll try and get back later but about to leave for work.
You're a Tory, I expected you not to care about any of the above.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 27 Jan 12:47
I'm not talking about killing people I'm talking about them being properly protected, people are dying because of the list I gave above, are their deaths ok because it isn't covid?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 27 Jan 12:50
There may be sense in there somewhere but as long as you keep calling ANYONE who questions you a Tory, I will disregard your opinions completely.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 27 Jan 13:52
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da_no_1, Wed 27 Jan 12:50
There may be sense in there somewhere but as long as you keep calling ANYONE who questions you a Tory, I will disregard your opinions completely.
Towk is a Tory.
Or you just won't answer, are deaths ok as long as they're not covid?
I don't see anyone else sticking up for anything else.
Things stay as they are and no Pars, people should worry.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Wed 27 Jan 13:55)
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 27 Jan 14:09
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 27 Jan 13:52
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da_no_1, Wed 27 Jan 12:50
There may be sense in there somewhere but as long as you keep calling ANYONE who questions you a Tory, I will disregard your opinions completely.
Towk is a Tory.
Or you just won't answer, are deaths ok as long as they're not covid?
I don't see anyone else sticking up for anything else.
Things stay as they are and no Pars, people should worry.
I always thought he was Labour although to be fair, there isn't much difference today.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 27 Jan 14:24
"I`m not talking about killing people I`m talking about them being properly protected"
How would you properly protect people?
I think trying to stop the spread and then vaccinating people is as good a strategy as any.
" people are dying because of the list I gave above, are their deaths ok because it isn`t covid?"
Literally no-one has said that. Also, the people I know who are unfortunate enough to have a serious illness or mental health issues - which is not a huge list, but isn`t no-one either - have still been treated. As stated before, people should not be left behind because of Covid, but it is not something I have seen in my own experience. I am not disputing that it has happened though.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 27 Jan 14:37
Child suicides through the roof too but you know, we won't talk about that either or domestic abuse or any other horrible side effect of thd lockdown strategy.
I see those look into their eyes posters, yeah let's do that.
Look into a small business owner's eyes and tell them their business doesn't matter.
Look into the eyes of a child who has lost a parent yo paused cancer treatment and tell them their parent didn't matter.
Look into the eyes of someone on the brink and tell them their mental health doesn't matter because...well...covid.
I didn't say what people have said but I did outline what they haven't been saying.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 27 Jan 15:35
You are clearly not wrong in that no-one wants cancer treatment stopped, small business owners case aside or people with mental health issue disregarded.
As you say though, people tend to see things based on their own experience and that`s not what I`ve witnessed. I think, in general, there has been a pulling together of communities, people trying to help each other and an effort to try and keep things going as much as possible. I`ve not seen anyone denied cancer treatment, in fact I know someone who was recently diagnosed and was in the hospital for an operation very quickly. Anyone I know with mental health issues has continued to get treated, thankfully.
I do however, know someone who died of Covid. I know a nurse who runs a Covid ward. I know of someone else who would almost certainly not survive if they got it.
It`s a balancing act, for sure. I don`t want any life lost that could be avoided, but I think the restrictions probably provide the best opportunity to keep the most amount of people alive as possible. I`ve not seen many other workable options put forward.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 27 Jan 16:04
‘If Rasta is suggesting that we shouldn`t give up our freedom of movement and interaction somewhat, you`re going to kill off a bunch more people than will be killed off with the current policy.’
That’s very likely to be true. However, yesterday’s 100,000 Covid deaths headline figure is the type of number beloved by tabloid newspapers, usually without context.
‘‘There were 608,002 deaths in England and Wales in 2020. The 608,002 deaths figure works out as around 10.2 deaths per 1,000 people, higher than any year since 2003.
In 1999, the rate was 10.7, in 2000 it was 10.3, and from 2001-2003 it was 10.2. In fact, the death rate was higher every year between 1991 and 2000 than in 2020, so 2020 had the joint-11th highest death rate over the past three decades.
Over the past two decades, life expectancy has been increasing and so the death rate has been falling. 2020 saw a sharp reversal to that trend, with the death rate returning to where it was in the early 2000s.’’ (data from website Full Fact, January 21st.)
None of the above tells us how much higher the death rate would have been had no restrictions been put in place. Nor can it reliably identify between those who died with Covid rather than by Covid.
sammer
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 27 Jan 16:27
Towk is a Tory😂
Not that it would bother me anyway but I`ll need to remember that next time I`m paying my membership fees to the snp. I just don`t blindly follow party lines.
A healthy person not getting a vaccination is about as `tory` as it comes though.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 27 Jan 17:04
Sammer - Numbers have lost all context during this pandemic so it is pretty pointless to try to use them in arguments.
It is clear that Covid is real, and the figure of 100000 deaths either fully or partly due to Covid is probably within about 20% of the real number.
Is this a big number? Yes
Is it as big as the number of people who died due to heart or circulatory disease in the last year? No. That was probably over 150000, like it is every year.
Is heart disease preventable? Not really, but you can probably increase your chances of avoiding it or delaying it by making lifestyle changes.
Has heart disease, and government campaigns to reduce it, been on the front pages of national newspapers during the last year? Maybe once or twice, but I must have missed it.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 27 Jan 17:57
Boris asking for powers to lock down until September already....so again, everything I listed takes a massive hit....for another six months.
So no fans at football this season then we're into flu and cold season again, this being a Pars forum, enjoy them while you can because sport outside "Elite" level (sic) is under serious threat.
I extolled the virtue of regarding life experiencially and to do so is fair enough but here's another year of all of my earlier list and more.....
If you are untouched experiencially by any of that list you are very lucky, long may it continue.
And the vaccine companies now slowing down supply due production problems disrupting the once "crucial" timetables that all of a sudden aren't "crucial".
Now apparently it doesn't matter when you get your second dose....really?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Wed 27 Jan 18:13)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 27 Jan 20:25
Suicide rates in England and Wales per quarter.
2020. 2019
Q1. 1262. 1247
Q2. 845. 1326
Q3. 1334. 1330
Q4. N/a. 1413
Total. 3441. 5316
AVG. 1147. 1329
Couldn't find figures for Scotland. This seems to suggest that suicides have either reduced or stayed much the same
Since 2012 most quarters have had between 1050 and 1400.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 27 Jan 21:41
Interesting figures, even if the last one is not supplied for 2020.
During WW2 the suicide rate was low in the UK.
During The troubles in Northern Ireland the suicide rate was lower than for the rest of the UK.
However, the long term social and health problems are another matter. Our great UK gangster generation of the Krays, the Richardsons, Jimmy Boyle, Arthur Thompson, Walter Norval etc were all in their teens when schools were often closed during the war and there was a rampant black market. They moved outwith parental control with impunity and took a brutal stake in society.
The judgment on Covid will be taking place 20 years from now and it will care little for elderly people who died.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 27 Jan 21:53
Quote:
moviescot, Wed 27 Jan 20:25
Suicide rates in England and Wales per quarter.
2020. 2019
Q1. 1262. 1247
Q2. 845. 1326
Q3. 1334. 1330
Q4. N/a. 1413
Total. 3441. 5316
AVG. 1147. 1329
Couldn't find figures for Scotland. This seems to suggest that suicides have either reduced or stayed much the same
Since 2012 most quarters have had between 1050 and 1400.
Was looking for info on this myself.
Of the deaths by suicide attributed to the first 2 quarters of 2020 only 25% of them were dated as being in 2020.
There is a built in delay in figures as in suspected suicide an autopsy and an inquest must be carried out before cause of death is determined.
So the figures are absolutely meaningless whether they are higher or lower.
The truth is we don't know if there is increased or decreased suicide.
Won't stop a certain individual claiming otherwise though.
If it turns out there is an increase he will be "told you so" if the opposite is true we won't hear a peep.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 27 Jan 22:02
So all of those things reduced to numbers?
Narrow.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 27 Jan 22:07
Thats not what's being said and you know it. Stop being such a big child
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 27 Jan 22:13
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 27 Jan 22:02
So all of those things reduced to numbers?
Narrow.
You made a claim that suicides have gone up.
You started about numbers.
Since we now know you need to be fact checked on every claim you make we went looking at the numbers.
No actual figures are available which can show either an increase or decrease. So while your claim may be accurate you are not in a position to make the claim just as it can not be claimed number have reduced due to the lag in recording that waiting inquest results causes.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 27 Jan 22:58
Owned. Again.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Thu 28 Jan 05:34
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 28 Jan 07:37
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Wed 27 Jan 22:13
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 27 Jan 22:02
So all of those things reduced to numbers?
Narrow.
You made a claim that suicides have gone up.
You started about numbers.
Since we now know you need to be fact checked on every claim you make we went looking at the numbers.
No actual figures are available which can show either an increase or decrease. So while your claim may be accurate you are not in a position to make the claim just as it can not be claimed number have reduced due to the lag in recording that waiting inquest results causes.
Newspapers have been covering stories from charities saying numbers are up, I'm passing it on.
You're pretty wide for someone who ends up in my inbox in tears when I bite back, I take it you've got over yourself?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 28 Jan 08:18
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 28 Jan 07:37
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sadindiefreak, Wed 27 Jan 22:13
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 27 Jan 22:02
So all of those things reduced to numbers?
Narrow.
You made a claim that suicides have gone up.
You started about numbers.
Since we now know you need to be fact checked on every claim you make we went looking at the numbers.
No actual figures are available which can show either an increase or decrease. So while your claim may be accurate you are not in a position to make the claim just as it can not be claimed number have reduced due to the lag in recording that waiting inquest results causes.
Newspapers have been covering stories from charities saying numbers are up, I'm passing it on.
You're pretty wide for someone who ends up in my inbox in tears when I bite back, I take it you've got over yourself?
Newspapers may have been reporting charities stories but I thought you didn't follow "newspapers". The BMJ have said that people are speculating that suicides have risen but the actual figures do not support this view.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 28 Jan 08:27
Quote:
moviescot, Wed 27 Jan 20:25
Suicide rates in England and Wales per quarter.
2020. 2019
Q1. 1262. 1247
Q2. 845. 1326
Q3. 1334. 1330
Q4. N/a. 1413
Total. 3441. 5316
AVG. 1147. 1329
Couldn't find figures for Scotland. This seems to suggest that suicides have either reduced or stayed much the same
Since 2012 most quarters have had between 1050 and 1400.
The second quarter in 2020 is a bit of an anomaly.. This of course is when we were in full lockdown. Any theories any that is?
Post Edited (Thu 28 Jan 11:42)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 28 Jan 08:39
If it's by financial year then we're in Q4 now. If it's not then they won't have all the data compiled yet. Someone who died on 31/12 may be awaiting autopsy.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 28 Jan 08:43
Figure was 833 for 2019 in Scotland. A rise from 784 in 2018.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 28 Jan 09:38
If suicides have went down during lockdown, and that`s still an if as the data hasn`t been confirmed yet I wonder if it could be down to two reasons. Firstly not being in the workplace because of furlough. For those lucky enough to have a career they might not understand the misery that can be caused that simply having a low quality job can provide, especially if the workplace isn`t a friendly one.
Secondly with many social activities curtailed, certainly all the expensive ones, social media isn`t full of all your `friends` advertising what a fun and full life they are leading.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 28 Jan 11:41
Actually the second quarter in 2020 went down because there were delays to inquests.
However, that then still means the average for the first three quarters of 2020 were pretty low.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 28 Jan 12:32
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 28 Jan 07:37
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sadindiefreak, Wed 27 Jan 22:13
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 27 Jan 22:02
So all of those things reduced to numbers?
Narrow.
Newspapers have been covering stories from charities saying numbers are up, I'm passing it on.
You're pretty wide for someone who ends up in my inbox in tears when I bite back, I take it you've got over yourself?
Wow, you really want to go there OK.
You had previously called me a "cretin" and a "pr*k" for asking for a link to a freedom of information request that you claimed existed.
You then claimed it was "a paper only" FOI, so I found that FOI requests legally have to be published online and found the governments location for FOI requests online and the FOI request you claimed existed didn't exist.
During the back and forth I may have used the term "idiots like you" but don't recall this myself.
Then a day or two later you came up with a nice little childish play on my username.
I want to make it very clear to you I was not "crying" when I messaged you I was upset but angry.
This is the message I sent you.
"Thanks ever so much for calling me Saddo on .net. Really witty using my username in such a way.
You f*****g know I have mental health issues and after a day of constantly thinking about suicide it was absolutely delightful to discover your witticism. Really made me feel so f*****g great."
Now after someone telling you they had been thinking about suicide all day what sort of response do you think I got?
Here is what you said.
"Whoa, hold up, you give it "idiots like you" patter, what you expect? You get what you give."
Even if I was 100% in the wrong thats not how to respond to someone who has just told you they were suicidal.
I will leave it at that and people can make their own judgement on what type of person you really are.
Edit:
Done a wee search for where I used "idiots like you" and here it is.
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sadindiefreak, Tue 15 Dec 12:49
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 15 Dec 11:52
Pfizer boss allegedly not had the vaccine because he doesn't want to jump the queue...what a gent.
This was decided by an ethics committee not him. He also said he can't wait for his mother to get it.
If it's dodgy as you claim why would he give it to his own family?
Also if he did get it to show it was safe idiots like you would then claim it wasn't the real thing he got so there is no point doing it to create public confidence is there?
Post Edited (Thu 28 Jan 12:40)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 28 Jan 12:43
3 masks now aye😂😂😂
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Thu 28 Jan 13:49
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 28 Jan 13:54
FFS for the sake of both these guys health & well-being can this thread be thrown in the sea, it`s achieving nothing.
Best wishes to you both.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Thu 28 Jan 15:32
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 28 Jan 18:42
So, you say, you'll follow doctor's advice, not what people post, I agree....so what about the doctors who speak out about lockdown effects etc?
Should we not follow them too?
Or are you, us, we more qualied than them based on our point of view and what side it falls on?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 28 Jan 18:44
As much as debate is healthy, personal insults aren't. We're all guilty of it from time to time but let's keep to the debate rather than throwing around personal remarks.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 28 Jan 18:46
I should not have said what I said, I can be reactionary.
Sadindiefreak I apologise unreservedly, that was a low blow.
Admin for what it's worth that was probably worth a card and deleting if not already done so, the colour is up to you.
Again fella I apologise.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 28 Jan 20:36
To be honest, I didn't expect to read what SIF posted there. That was pretty appalling stuff from Rasta, I'm actually pretty disappointed, I thought he was a better person than that
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 28 Jan 21:24
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red-star-par, Thu 28 Jan 20:36
To be honest, I didn't expect to read what SIF posted there. That was pretty appalling stuff from Rasta, I'm actually pretty disappointed, I thought he was a better person than that
He also posted it without context, you are not privy to private conversations or the content, I've apologised for my part, nothing more.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 28 Jan 21:30
The best thing for you to do is leave this thread alone for a few days. For your own sake.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 28 Jan 21:49
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 28 Jan 21:24
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 28 Jan 20:36
To be honest, I didn't expect to read what SIF posted there. That was pretty appalling stuff from Rasta, I'm actually pretty disappointed, I thought he was a better person than that
He also posted it without context, you are not privy to private conversations or the content, I've apologised for my part, nothing more.
The exact context of it is laid out for folk to see.
When I contacted you it eventually led to apologies on both parts for the terms used toward each other.
I was relatively happy with that outcome but to throw this back in my face that I came to you "in tears" is pretty low.
It shows clearly your apology at the time was worthless and I think your apology now holds as much value. For that reason I do not accept your apology.
I hope we can at least be civil to each other on here but I'm not going to stop fact checking your claims and calling you out when its not true.
If you truly feel there is not enough context to my version of events feel free to expand on it.
I'm in a really good place mentally at the moment so can take any criticism of my actions that might come my way.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 28 Jan 22:23
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sadindiefreak, Thu 28 Jan 21:49
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Rastapari, Thu 28 Jan 21:24
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red-star-par, Thu 28 Jan 20:36
To be honest, I didn't expect to read what SIF posted there. That was pretty appalling stuff from Rasta, I'm actually pretty disappointed, I thought he was a better person than that
He also posted it without context, you are not privy to private conversations or the content, I've apologised for my part, nothing more.
The exact context of it is laid out for folk to see.
When I contacted you it eventually led to apologies on both parts for the terms used toward each other.
I was relatively happy with that outcome but to throw this back in my face that I came to you "in tears" is pretty low.
It shows clearly your apology at the time was worthless and I think your apology now holds as much value. For that reason I do not accept your apology.
I hope we can at least be civil to each other on here but I'm not going to stop fact checking your claims and calling you out when its not true.
If you truly feel there is not enough context to my version of events feel free to expand on it.
I'm in a really good place mentally at the moment so can take any criticism of my actions that might come my way.
You know fine well there was more to the conversation than that and that I also reacted to you.
I am glad you are in better place and you know fine well my intention toward you.
I'll leave it at that, post what you will.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Thu 28 Jan 22:29
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 28 Jan 23:00
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 28 Jan 22:23
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sadindiefreak, Thu 28 Jan 21:49
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Rastapari, Thu 28 Jan 21:24
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red-star-par, Thu 28 Jan 20:36
To be honest, I didn't expect to read what SIF posted there. That was pretty appalling stuff from Rasta, I'm actually pretty disappointed, I thought he was a better person than that
He also posted it without context, you are not privy to private conversations or the content, I've apologised for my part, nothing more.
The exact context of it is laid out for folk to see.
When I contacted you it eventually led to apologies on both parts for the terms used toward each other.
I was relatively happy with that outcome but to throw this back in my face that I came to you "in tears" is pretty low.
It shows clearly your apology at the time was worthless and I think your apology now holds as much value. For that reason I do not accept your apology.
I hope we can at least be civil to each other on here but I'm not going to stop fact checking your claims and calling you out when its not true.
If you truly feel there is not enough context to my version of events feel free to expand on it.
I'm in a really good place mentally at the moment so can take any criticism of my actions that might come my way.
You know fine well there was more to the conversation than that and that I also reacted to you.
I am glad you are in better place and you know fine well my intention toward you.
I'll leave it at that, post what you will.
I've unblocked you on Facebook so you can go check what was said.
Take a look there is literally nothing more to the conversation that what I said before you told me "you get what you give"
I've got screenshots so you can't deny it.
There is literally nothing you won't lie about.
I
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 28 Jan 23:05
Can we put this disagreement to bed now... It's not pleasant.
Admin
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 28 Jan 23:24
Quote:
widtink, Thu 28 Jan 23:05
Can we put this disagreement to bed now... It's not pleasant.
Its a bit more than a disagreement.
I went to him privately when I had mental health issues and he saw fit to use this against me now.
He is now saying there was more to it than what I say.
Should I just let him lie about me because it's not pleasant for you?
I will share the screenshot of the whole conversation and then I'm done. People will see the truth of what actually happened.
Post Edited (Fri 29 Jan 00:57)
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Thu 28 Jan 23:49
100,000 plus.
I dread to think what that figure would have been had there been no lockdown(s).
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 28 Jan 23:51
Not taking sides.
Just pointing out that a few posters have wanted the thread closed since this disagreement started.
We can't currently close threads as that function is still broken so our only option would be to delete the whole thread.... Which we would obviously only do as a last resort.
If the both of you are friends on Facebook why don't you both work it out on messenger.
P. S... Never read the screenshots but I hope there's no swear words in there... Otherwise the screenshots will be removed (we can still do that 🤣).
Seriously guys... Work it out.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 29 Jan 00:00
Few nasty words in there but really not one for sharing either way.
Guys, live and let live.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 29 Jan 01:04
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jake89, Fri 29 Jan 00:00
Few nasty words in there but really not one for sharing either way.
Guys, live and let live.
Removed screenshots myself as there are a few swears in there.
Think that anyone who did see them will see that there was no more to the conversation than I stated.
I've had my say so I'm done.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 29 Jan 07:32
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Fri 29 Jan 01:04
Quote:
jake89, Fri 29 Jan 00:00
Few nasty words in there but really not one for sharing either way.
Guys, live and let live.
Removed screenshots myself as there are a few swears in there.
Think that anyone who did see them will see that there was no more to the conversation than I stated.
I've had my say so I'm done.
You well over stepped the mark.
Quite selective in what you posted too.
Out of order, dishonest, best just steer clear of each other yeah?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Fri 29 Jan 07:53)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 29 Jan 09:38
Anyway back on vaccine chat, STV news, 35 staff and inmates at a nursing home, vaccinated.....all got covid now.
Vaccine working well then I see.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Fri 29 Jan 09:47
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Rastapari, Fri 29 Jan 09:38
Anyway back on vaccine chat, STV news, 35 staff and inmates at a nursing home, vaccinated.....all got covid now.
Vaccine working well then I see.
"inmates" - it's not a prison!!!
Well documented that vaccine takes 2-3 weeks before effective.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 29 Jan 09:58
How many times does this need explained - the vaccine supports your body to fight off COVID. It does NOT stop you getting it.
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Fri 29 Jan 10:12
Exactly Jake. Where I work 2 people have tested positive over 28 days after getting the 2nd jab. They have no ill effects either.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Fri 29 Jan 10:47
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Fri 29 Jan 15:48
Terrible, terrible day for some on this thread.
The Oxford vaccine has now been approved for use across all member states of the EU by the European Medicines Agency.
The Tories clearly influenced this decision to line their own pockets.
It`s been found to be 66% effective against moderate to severe illness, and 85% effective against the most serious symptoms.
It sounds like they are also supporting the extended gap between doses of up to 12 weeks to provide flexibility in the delivery schedule.
Post Edited (Fri 29 Jan 17:30)
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