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 Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 19:13

If not, why not?

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 19:23

Oof... This could get messy 😏


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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Tue 31 Aug 19:59

Tbh Iv had both jabs and know a lot of people who won’t do it.
It doesn’t bother me in the slightest and it’s their decision as I can see their point of view. Imo we will just have to live with it from now on…… I do wonder how much lies is told by our government.
I take my 2 tests a week but my daughters school S6 has around 40 pupils off…

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 12:11

I smoked something that was sold to me instead. Much healthier, less unknowns about impact on my body etc.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 12:44

I don't think I know anyone who has turned down the offer. However, that's their business. I don't go around asking who's had it and who hasn't 😂
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 13:00

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kozmasrightfoot, Tue 31 Aug 19:13

If not, why not?


A bit confrontational, me thinks. Kozma trying to start dotnet's own civil war? 🤔

As EEP says, it's down to everyone's personal choice and none of anybody else's business. The more you try and coerce folk, the more they're likely to become entrenched.....



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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 13:49

It`s plenty other people`s business.

It`s their business if they have a condition that means that they can`t be vaccinated so the folk who refuse to have it without medical reason are a danger to them.

It`s the business of folk who don`t want to catch the mutated strains that are allowed to develop because the virus is still spreading among folk who refuse to be vaccinated without medical reason.

It is the business of folk who are the parents of children who are too young to be vaccinated and who don`t want them to get sick because the virus is spreading amongst folk who refuse to be vaccinated without good reason.

Vaccination is more than a personal choice - vaccines create herd immunity that protects those who can`t be vaccinated and they stop the spread, and therefore mutation opportunities, of disease.

Andrew Wakefield deserves to rot in prison for the lies he`s told, and the lives he`s knowingly destroyed, in an effort to enrich himself.


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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 13:59

I've not had it, I may get it at some stage, still weighing up the options. I've been working from home, and have been barely being going out to socialise, visit pubs and restaurants etc. When I have been out I've been very careful with masks, social distancing and sanitising. Yesterday was the first time I have been in close contact with many people at a funeral, and I do admit it was a slight worry hugging people again. Just passed the Dell Farquharson Centre and the queue is round the block so it is obviously rife round here.
The main reasons I have not taken the jab are because I am suspicious of the whole narrative behind the virus and how some governments around the world allowed it to spread so freely. The levels of ineptitude especially by the UK Government were unbelievable, it almost seemed they wanted it to spread. I am also concerned about putting a vaccine into my body which is really just at trial stage, I would much rather wait and see what the long term effect on the test subjects is. It also doesn't make you 100% safe and it appears the is only effective for between 6 to 12 months anyway, so for the time being I haven't accepted the offer
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 14:10

The topic was not meant to be confrontational, just a simple question. You can get the jabs but still carry it and pass it on.

I myself haven`t had it. 2 reasons, I don`t like needles and I don`t fancy the idea of nasty side effects. I know that not everybody gets side effects but I know that I would.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: EastEndBoy  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 16:48

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kozmasrightfoot, Wed 1 Sep 14:10

The topic was not meant to be confrontational, just a simple question. You can get the jabs but still carry it and pass it on.

I myself haven`t had it. 2 reasons, I don`t like needles and I don`t fancy the idea of nasty side effects. I know that not everybody gets side effects but I know that I would.


Wait 'til you hear about the potential side effects of COVID 19...

...ken?
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 18:14

He’s done alright so far.

I’ve not had it, no plans to have it, kids will not have it. No judgement at all on those that do take it, not my business, their body.

GG and I had a healthy debate on this previously over the reasons why so don’t want to get into that again.
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 18:49

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/27/clot-risk-far-lower-from-vaccines-than-virus-uk-study

Beliefs are entrenched now so nobody is going to be persuaded either way but I`ll keep quoting `if the risks of the treatment are less than that of the disease of course you apply the treatment`.
Only problem with that is I was paraphrasing Professor Byram Bridle whose anti covid vaccine ramblings have been debunked.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-safe-idUSL2N2NX1J6

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 18:56

Not doubting it’s true but lets be honest they aren’t going to come out and say anything different are they.

Again if you’re double vaccinated, should make you more comfortable. A risk us walking diseases have to accept.
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 19:46

Quote:

Wotsit, Wed 1 Sep 13:49

It`s plenty other people`s business.

It`s their business if they have a condition that means that they can`t be vaccinated so the folk who refuse to have it without medical reason are a danger to them.

It`s the business of folk who don`t want to catch the mutated strains that are allowed to develop because the virus is still spreading among folk who refuse to be vaccinated without medical reason.

It is the business of folk who are the parents of children who are too young to be vaccinated and who don`t want them to get sick because the virus is spreading amongst folk who refuse to be vaccinated without good reason.

Vaccination is more than a personal choice - vaccines create herd immunity that protects those who can`t be vaccinated and they stop the spread, and therefore mutation opportunities, of disease.

Andrew Wakefield deserves to rot in prison for the lies he`s told, and the lives he`s knowingly destroyed, in an effort to enrich himself.


I don't disagree with any of your post, Wotsit. I meant that it's nobody else's business in the sense that those who prefer not to be vaccinated shouldn't have to justify their stance to others. It would be far better if they could be persuaded by a compelling argument than being backed into a corner....



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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 19:51

It’s a very divisive topic that’s brought out the worst in some people.

It’s a shame, think we’ve lost Rasta on this forum now because of it?
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 22:59

I have had my two jags.It is a free protection against,basically,dying.

I have been quite lucky as I have never even had flu but my wife has had umpteen serious things which she has always got through so I`d rather cut my chances of getting something to infect her so she gets yet another visit to ICU.

Horrible virus but I`d rather get through it with my wife so we can enjoy our retirement,and the few years left,as we planned.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 1 Sep 23:54

If all of us decided not to have it we`d be snookered.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 07:02

"The topic was not meant to be confrontational, just a simple question. You can get the jabs but still carry it and pass it on."

I myself haven`t had it. 2 reasons, I don`t like needles and I don`t fancy the idea of nasty side effects. I know that not everybody gets side effects but I know that I would."

Apologies, Kozma. I completely misinterpreted your OP. I thought you were having a wee pop at folk who have decided against being vaccinated so far.

With respect, I`d suggest not liking needles is a pretty feeble reason for refusing the vaccine. I wonder if anyone does. I just looked away when I got them and hardly felt a thing. We may or may not get side effects. They might even turn out to be quite serious, but thankfully, probably quite rare.

Smoking tobacco can produce some very serious side effects and little or nothing in the way of health benefits. It doesn`t stop approx 1 in 5 of the population from doing it. Just saying...



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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 08:52

A friend who is a similar age to me and much, much fitter has had her life completely ruined by long covid for the foreseeable. Over a year now and no improvements whatsoever. Absolutely no doubt in my mind at all to take the vaccine. Chance of meaningful side effects are tiny and I'd much rather put something in my body that was designed by people who have dedicated their collective lives to science than listen to any politician (or basically anyone else with their own biased views) in the world. Don't mean that to sound confrontational at all, it's just the way I feel.

Don't judge anyone for choosing not to but like someone else in the thread said, we'd be a bit scunnered if everyone took that route.
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 09:07

GG you said; "It would be far better if they could be persuaded by a compelling argument than being backed into a corner...."
Compelling arguments and reasons are all that is ever offered to those who are vaccine hesitant. These are arguments backed up by scientific data and facts. Now I`m not a medical scientist (not any kind of scientist) so I do not have the knowledge to analyse the raw data and decipher all results and tests. For that I have to place my trust in the doctors.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 11:41

It is technically an individual choice to not punch random strangers in the street, however we understand that sometimes social safety is more important than individual freedom.

Although the risk to others from refusing to get vaccinated is probably much higher than it is from refusing to not punch people.


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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 17:41

Where's Adam Warlock when you need him? He'd punch covid's pus.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 17:57

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The One Who Knocks, Thu 2 Sep 09:07

GG you said; "It would be far better if they could be persuaded by a compelling argument than being backed into a corner...."
Compelling arguments and reasons are all that is ever offered to those who are vaccine hesitant. These are arguments backed up by scientific data and facts. Now I`m not a medical scientist (not any kind of scientist) so I do not have the knowledge to analyse the raw data and decipher all results and tests. For that I have to place my trust in the doctors.


Apparently, 450,000 people aged 16-50 have not taken up the offer of vaccination, so I would argue that they have not been convinced so far, so the evidence offered so far has not been compelling enough.....



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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 18:45

Like you said though GG twenty percent of the population consume tobacco products. Perhaps the evidence offered to them not to do so isn`t compelling enough? Or is it something else, other than the overwhelming and logical evidence that they shouldn`t smoke that drives to do so regardless?

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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Thu 2 Sep 19:19

much like obesity etc as well TWOK.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 10:23

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The One Who Knocks, Thu 2 Sep 18:45

Like you said though GG twenty percent of the population consume tobacco products. Perhaps the evidence offered to them not to do so isn`t compelling enough? Or is it something else, other than the overwhelming and logical evidence that they shouldn`t smoke that drives to do so regardless?


I think it's highly likely that the 20% of smokers are addicted, even if they don't like to admit it. I wonder if there's much if any overlap with the 20% who haven't been vaccinated? I very much doubt it. Surely if you're concerned about the potential dangers of a vaccine, you'd be absolutely terrified of the proven dangers of smoking?



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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 11:33

Haven’t touched a cigarette GG Riva.
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: NikNakPar  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 15:38

I've not had it.

I take warfarin and each time I was scheduled for the jab my INR was not on target. My INR for anyone who doesn't know is basically a blood thickness reading. Each time it has been too thick so to speak. As that is now 4 apps I've been unable to get it due to this I wasn't given anymore apps, instead ive been told when my blood is fine I've to go to a drop in as soon as possible after my app with the warfarin clinic. My concern is if I have to get the 2nd jab within a certain time frame I can't guarantee my blood will be at target.

I do plan any getting but my main reason is I think I'll need it to do certain things and especially for my planned trip abroad next summer.
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 17:17

It appears that U-16s will not be "hunted down" after all. 🙂

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58438669



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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 17:28

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GG Riva, Fri 03 Sep 17:17

It appears that U-16s will not be "hunted down" after all. 🙂

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58438669


For now…good news!
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 18:12



Come on chaps, that Berry hasn't been vaccinated!
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 18:17

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jake89, Fri 03 Sep 18:12



Come on chaps, that Berry hasn't been vaccinated!


Haha stay away you buggers!!
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 20:39

I`ve tried to stop smoking every patch and tablet known to man, I even paid a ridiculous amount of money a few years back for hypnotherapy but as soon as I was out the charlatans door I was craving the demon known as nicotine. If only I could travel back in time to tell myself not to be a pr1c£.

I`ve tried various vapes but have found them harsher on my throat than any roll up/ciggies.



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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 21:22

The whole government from wee nippy Nikki to Bojo is a joke now and we really should be ignoring these utter bellends now.

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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 22:02

Tbh Rasta that used to post on here said this about 4 months ago and if I remember got put down….

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 22:28

Did you mean to log in as someone else there to reply to yourself??

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 3 Sep 23:09

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kozmasrightfoot, Fri 3 Sep 20:39

I`ve tried to stop smoking every patch and tablet known to man, I even paid a ridiculous amount of money a few years back for hypnotherapy but as soon as I was out the charlatans door I was craving the demon known as nicotine. If only I could travel back in time to tell myself not to be a pr1c£.

I`ve tried various vapes but have found them harsher on my throat than any roll up/ciggies.

As for catching Covid anybody who knows me from the mental health forum will understand why I don`t care about catching it. A bit heavy to be discussing on this thread though.


Surprised to hear you found vaping harder on your throat than smoking.
I smoked for about 25 years before becoming tired of coughing my lungs up every morning on the way to work so decided to switch to vaping after many years of trying and failing to stop smoking.
I found the transition easy and definitely not as harsh on my throat.
And now I can walk without coughing and wheezing when I couldn't walk the length of myself before without doing so.
The benefits health wise to me have been great.
Of course.... Who's to say vaping is any better for you than smoking... But i certainly feel better for switching.
I'm now on 0.6 nicotine which is very low so my next step is to come off the vape completely. Fingers crossed.
If anything... At least I've saved a fortune since coming off the fags.
A pack of 20 were about £9 when I stopped and I was probably on about 30 a day. So roughly £13.50 a day to feed my habit.
Now I spend £15 a month on vape juice and £3.50 for a coil (after the initial investment of £45 for my vape thingy of course ).
I do t think I could afford to smoke ciggies now... I hear a pack of 20 is around £10 these days. That's about £450 a month at 30 a day by my reckoning.
Scary min.
£450 vs £18.50... No contest 🤣


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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 02:15

I’m pro-choice on the matter of vaccination and respect both sides. As some on here will know, as an unvaccinated man I was diagnosed with Covid just over a month ago. I remain unvaccinated since I now have a QR code that tells me I am ‘safe’ for the next six months. In future, to access public life, I presumably have the option of being vaccinated or have to do my damnest to catch Covid again. It seems like the world is closing in a bit.

Did I actually have Covid? I’m not sure. These days any bad illness is automatically labelled Covid so I don’t think the cotton bud thrust down my tonsils was ever really tested much in a laboratory. I had a throat infection obviously and felt unwell for a week but was labelled ‘Covid.’ I felt bad and stayed indoors out of respect for others, but would never have asked for play parks or schools or public spaces or EEP to be closed in my name. Nor would I demand that young people be vaccinated to spare me from what was just a week feeling bad. Maybe I was lucky.

How did I catch Covid? Again, I am not sure. My Russian lady Natasha, like me, has hardly ever been to a doctor in her life, but she was required to be vaccinated as she works in a call centre. She was not happy about this but complied, then two weeks later she was out on her feet and taken to hospital. I was ill but not so bad and interestingly, the Russian doctor asked me if I smoked. I said yes and he told me that had probably protected the virus getting deeper into my lungs, as it had clearly done with Natasha who has never smoked in her life. She was on a ventilator in hospital while I was smoking my 20 a day on shaky legs on the apartment balcony. She is convinced the vaccination triggered the Covid reaction which laid her low and was passed on to me. We don’t know, but neither do the doctors.

After four days in hospital Natasha was back and energetic as ever, although she says her sense of smell is like being pregnant again. (No jokes please.) She can now smell very acutely whereas my sense of smell and taste are around 40% of what they were. Everyone is different so we should remember that.
I am not anti-vaccination and may well decide that vaccination is the best route. I’ve had the usual jags that we all have in Scotland plus a few in China when I worked there which I think were to combat Hepatitis. I can’t remember, I just stuck my arm out and that was that.

But if you look back at the posts one year ago there were many on this site claiming they would get their two jabs and get life back to normal again. Well, we are not back to normal and I don’t think that can be laid at the door of the unvaccinated like myself. Science cannot deliver mathematical certainty, especially in terms of forecasting. And politicians love a crisis. I would say that Berry, Rastapari and myself have conceded less ground in terms of the lockdown/vaccination argument over the last 18 months than most. But no doubt we could be wrong n

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 12:47

Not being vaccinated is more like smoking whilst pregnant or in a car with children than it is just smoking normally.

Not being vaccinated makes you a danger to others. A danger to society actually, given the extra capacity for virus mutation that you are facilitating.


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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 12:58

Sammer think some of your post has been cut off?
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 15:25

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Wotsit, Sat 4 Sep 12:47

Not being vaccinated is more like smoking whilst pregnant or in a car with children than it is just smoking normally.

Not being vaccinated makes you a danger to others. A danger to society actually, given the extra capacity for virus mutation that you are facilitating.


I think recent research is casting doubt on the extent to which the vaccine reduces transmission, at least as far as the delta variant is concerned. That said, I would still advocate vaccination as it could save your life, keep you out of hospital (and thereby keeping it free for other stuff), and reduce the chances of long covid. This is significant as, let's face it, every one of us will get this virus at some point.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 15:51

My son has had covid and says he isn't getting jab as all it does is give you small doze of covid to build your immune system, he's had it already so his immune system will already be built up

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 16:06

I don’t believe being vaccinated does reduce transmission not at a significant level anyway, it was a line peddled to encourage folk to take it.

Will see what happens at the OF matches over 10k where you have to be vaccinated and see what comes of it.

Reduces the potential seriousness catching Covid, probably for some but that’s then their choice isn’t it. I choose to just put trust in my immune system that’s never let me down so far. Those that are double vaxxed, nothing to worry about then, leave us be.

As for your sons view, reasonable to me, catching and surviving covid legitimately is more beneficial than having it popped through a needle surely, but I’d never try sway his decision regardless and certainly not look down on him for it like many would.

Also to add the 12-15 year olds, ministers are circling as expected, potentially putting the JCVI recommendation to one side and yes, start hunting down our kids, shocked one is not. It’ll just start softer with ‘written parents permission’ I’m sure.

Wouldn’t put it past a mandatory vaccine before they can get their hands on their school dinner or get on the bus if they aren’t hitting their quota.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 17:03

So many experts on here.

Berry you're beginning to sound like a low calorie version of Rasta

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: charlie1  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 17:18

Vaccines do not contain Covid!!!
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 17:41

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MDCCCLXXXV, Sat 4 Sep 15:51

My son has had covid and says he isn't getting jab as all it does is give you small doze of covid to build your immune system, he's had it already so his immune system will already be built up


Wrong. The vaccine will offer him greater immunity.
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 17:43

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Berry, Sat 4 Sep 16:06

Also to add the 12-15 year olds, ministers are circling as expected, potentially putting the JCVI recommendation to one side and yes, start hunting down our kids, shocked one is not. It’ll just start softer with ‘written parents permission’ I’m sure.


It's not being offered to non-vulnerable 12-15s. If it was, it would still be up to the parent or carer to consent to their child receiving it. Yet to see evidence of "hunting" 🤦‍♂️
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: neilholland999  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 17:58

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Berry, Sat 4 Sep 16:06

I choose to just put trust in my immune system that’s never let me down so far.


Have you also done the same for Polio/Diptheria/Measles/Mumps/Rubellia etc, or have you avoided all of these diseases because of childhood vaccinations?
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Sat 4 Sep 23:35

According to RT the Israelis claimed that catching Covid was 12 times more effective in preventing a recurrence than a vaccination. This is from a country which has vaccinated more than most. So I don’t know where jake89 gets his information from. Jake89 has been a very strong proponent of mass vaccination so I think it is fair to ask if he has a vested interest in this activity.

We were promised that vaccination would liberate society. It has failed to do this. The Johnny Two Jabs Brigade have gone very quiet of late, maybe they will find their voice after the third (or booster) jag, or it may take the 6 month booster in perpetuity before they find their voice again. Vaccination did not slay the monster as was promised a year ago. We are required to come back again and again, at great profit to the pharmaceutical companies who have found riches beyond their dreams. The politicians and experts will fall in behind the money and scream perpetual vaccination for all.

As for selfishness, I am just an amateur. I paid into the NHS all my life and never needed it, but I had no complaint. I understood it was for those in need and I was lucky. Money well invested I thought, for the greater good. But now I am being told that my contract with the NHS was not absolute but conditional: that they could only treat me when things were quiet. That was never said when they took my taxes all my working life. I understood the NHS was there to protect me: now I am told it is my duty to protect the NHS! What a turnaround. And Labour politicians are joining in the chorus. What nonsense. It’s like being told not to draw money from your bank because there is a run on the pound. It`s my duty to protect the bank!

Covid vaccinations have been a failure in how they were presented to the public; they have not achieved the breakthrough as was seen with polio for example, So anyone who remains sceptical is totally justified in doing so.

BTW there was no measles jab when I was a boy so I caught measles and then chickenpox when I was seven. Half my school did the same and nobody died. And no one ever suggested we needed a vaccination thereafter. Big pharma wasn’t quite so big back then.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 01:25

https://fullfact.org/health/maajid-nawaz-ross-clark-israel-vaccine-immunity/

Some more details about the RT report Sammer alludes to but with added context. In summary initial research seems to show greater protection is given to those who have been infected than those who have had the vaccine. However even longer and stronger protection is possessed by those who have been infected and then vaccinated afterwards.
So if you you`ve recovered form having covid it appears getting a shot of the AZ, Pfizer, Sputnik vaccine or indeed any of the other big pharm inoculations is the best way to go.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 06:54

Great to see you"re well enough to return to your Saturday night drinking sessions, sammer..
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 10:23

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ipswichpar, Sun 5 Sep 06:54

Great to see you"re well enough to return to your Saturday night drinking sessions, sammer..


I was thinking the same.
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 10:33

I`d be interested to know where folk are finding the evidence that the vaccine doesn`t help to prevent spread, when the current advice on the US CDC website says:

COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting you from COVID-19, especially severe illness and death. COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume activities that you did before the pandemic. Learn more about what you can do when you have been fully vaccinated.

Whilst this article in nature suggests that the vaccine reduces chance of infection (fewer infections = reduced transmission) by 81% and direct transmission by 78%. That`s a significant reduction in mutation opportunities which helps to keep other people`s vaccines effective.

The fact that the Delta variant may (it`s not clear yet) be less protected against is only helping with proving the point that we have to get the spread and mutation opportunities under control, because mutated strains might well render the vaccine less effective.


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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 10:43

By the way Sammer, measles killed over 200,000 people last year. That`s a lot of people. However, here`s a graph of annual measles deaths, I`m sure that you will agree that it`s easy to spot when the vaccine was discovered?




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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 13:55

Genuine question but do some folk genuinely not get it or do they just wilfully ignore that the vaccine has led to;
- fewer hospitalisations
- fewer deaths
- the return of football/pubs/socialisation

To suggest that there has been no progression in the return of liberty since the vaccine is disingenuous at best.

Where do you guys think we would be without the vaccine as it’s very easy to assume we would still all be locked down - and we are not now.

I don’t really care all that much that people still get Covid when the hope was the disease would be crushed, I care that the most devastating impacts of the disease have been massively reduced.

It is a simple fact that people who are not fully vaccinated are getting seriously ill and dying at much higher rates than the vaccinated population. Why anyone argues the toss against that information is beyond me.


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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 13:57

Wotsit, that was the article I was referring to. To be clear, the jury is out only on the delta variant, not the variants before that. But regardless of transmission reduction, vaccines are what have given our current freedom. Thank goodness it's 80% of folks prepared to give them a go and not 20%,, or we'd be in a perpetual lockdown cycle to prevent our hospitals being overwhelmed. I'm not quite sure what Sammer means when he says the vaccine has failed to liberate society when it is abundantly clear that it has done just that.

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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 16:26

Am I right in thinking that no vaccine for infants and young children is compulsory in the UK? In Italy almost all of them are.

My nephew's toddler almost died from rotavirus, a common virus among infants which causes vomiting and diarrhoea. The little boy became badly dehydrated and had to be put on a drip as he was too weak to drink by himself. I asked the kid's dad why he hadn't had him vaccinated and he told me it's the only one which isn't compulsory.



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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 17:08

As I understand it the vaccines haven't been approved by the JCVI for kids between 12 and 15 where they don't have underlying health conditions.

However, that was only announced last week and there may be a politically based overruling of that this week by the government.

Some doctors have raised some concerns that the JCVI analysis was badly inaccurate.

Most other countries appear to be pushing for 12 to 15 year olds to be vaccinated. But this might be because they want to push for herd immunity rather than for their own immediate protection.

As I understand it at least anyway.....
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 18:45

The JCVI is just advisory. Their logic is there's far less benefit given the low risk posed to 12-15 year olds.

The vaccine is already approved for 12-15s and my view is it should be up to the individual if they are to get it. The original plan in Scotland was to vaccinate (assuming consent) at the same time as the flu jab, which is being offered free to teenagers for the first time. Sounds like that'll be out the window.
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 18:55

Only advisory yes, but you would expect them to get it right given they are the experts.

One of their input assumptions did sound like it was very dodgy (that two in every million would be admitted to hospital; in the last 6 months, over 260 had been admitted).

I suspect that their advice may change or they will get ignored next week.
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 19:17

I think it's going to get to the point of just saying to treat it like cold/flu as all this sending home and 10 day isolation isn't going to work.
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 Re: Covid jab, has anybody not had it?
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Sun 5 Sep 20:57

The JCVI`s 2-in-a-million was for children without underlying conditions in intensive care due to Covid.

Although myocarditis doesn`t always require hospitalisation, it isn`t a particularly nice thing to subject kids to without a clear health benefit.

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