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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Tue 31 Aug 19:23
Oof... This could get messy š
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Tue 31 Aug 19:59
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 1 Sep 12:11
I smoked something that was sold to me instead. Much healthier, less unknowns about impact on my body etc.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 1 Sep 12:44
I don't think I know anyone who has turned down the offer. However, that's their business. I don't go around asking who's had it and who hasn't š
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 1 Sep 13:00
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Tue 31 Aug 19:13
If not, why not?
A bit confrontational, me thinks. Kozma trying to start dotnet's own civil war? š¤
As EEP says, it's down to everyone's personal choice and none of anybody else's business. The more you try and coerce folk, the more they're likely to become entrenched.....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 1 Sep 13:49
It`s plenty other people`s business.
It`s their business if they have a condition that means that they can`t be vaccinated so the folk who refuse to have it without medical reason are a danger to them.
It`s the business of folk who don`t want to catch the mutated strains that are allowed to develop because the virus is still spreading among folk who refuse to be vaccinated without medical reason.
It is the business of folk who are the parents of children who are too young to be vaccinated and who don`t want them to get sick because the virus is spreading amongst folk who refuse to be vaccinated without good reason.
Vaccination is more than a personal choice - vaccines create herd immunity that protects those who can`t be vaccinated and they stop the spread, and therefore mutation opportunities, of disease.
Andrew Wakefield deserves to rot in prison for the lies he`s told, and the lives he`s knowingly destroyed, in an effort to enrich himself.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 1 Sep 13:59
I've not had it, I may get it at some stage, still weighing up the options. I've been working from home, and have been barely being going out to socialise, visit pubs and restaurants etc. When I have been out I've been very careful with masks, social distancing and sanitising. Yesterday was the first time I have been in close contact with many people at a funeral, and I do admit it was a slight worry hugging people again. Just passed the Dell Farquharson Centre and the queue is round the block so it is obviously rife round here.
The main reasons I have not taken the jab are because I am suspicious of the whole narrative behind the virus and how some governments around the world allowed it to spread so freely. The levels of ineptitude especially by the UK Government were unbelievable, it almost seemed they wanted it to spread. I am also concerned about putting a vaccine into my body which is really just at trial stage, I would much rather wait and see what the long term effect on the test subjects is. It also doesn't make you 100% safe and it appears the is only effective for between 6 to 12 months anyway, so for the time being I haven't accepted the offer
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Wed 1 Sep 14:10
The topic was not meant to be confrontational, just a simple question. You can get the jabs but still carry it and pass it on.
I myself haven`t had it. 2 reasons, I don`t like needles and I don`t fancy the idea of nasty side effects. I know that not everybody gets side effects but I know that I would.
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Wed 1 Sep 16:48
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kozmasrightfoot, Wed 1 Sep 14:10
The topic was not meant to be confrontational, just a simple question. You can get the jabs but still carry it and pass it on.
I myself haven`t had it. 2 reasons, I don`t like needles and I don`t fancy the idea of nasty side effects. I know that not everybody gets side effects but I know that I would.
Wait 'til you hear about the potential side effects of COVID 19...
...ken?
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 1 Sep 18:14
Heās done alright so far.
Iāve not had it, no plans to have it, kids will not have it. No judgement at all on those that do take it, not my business, their body.
GG and I had a healthy debate on this previously over the reasons why so donāt want to get into that again.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 1 Sep 18:56
Not doubting itās true but lets be honest they arenāt going to come out and say anything different are they.
Again if youāre double vaccinated, should make you more comfortable. A risk us walking diseases have to accept.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 1 Sep 19:46
Quote:
Wotsit, Wed 1 Sep 13:49
It`s plenty other people`s business.
It`s their business if they have a condition that means that they can`t be vaccinated so the folk who refuse to have it without medical reason are a danger to them.
It`s the business of folk who don`t want to catch the mutated strains that are allowed to develop because the virus is still spreading among folk who refuse to be vaccinated without medical reason.
It is the business of folk who are the parents of children who are too young to be vaccinated and who don`t want them to get sick because the virus is spreading amongst folk who refuse to be vaccinated without good reason.
Vaccination is more than a personal choice - vaccines create herd immunity that protects those who can`t be vaccinated and they stop the spread, and therefore mutation opportunities, of disease.
Andrew Wakefield deserves to rot in prison for the lies he`s told, and the lives he`s knowingly destroyed, in an effort to enrich himself.
I don't disagree with any of your post, Wotsit. I meant that it's nobody else's business in the sense that those who prefer not to be vaccinated shouldn't have to justify their stance to others. It would be far better if they could be persuaded by a compelling argument than being backed into a corner....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 1 Sep 19:51
Itās a very divisive topic thatās brought out the worst in some people.
Itās a shame, think weāve lost Rasta on this forum now because of it?
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Wed 1 Sep 22:59
I have had my two jags.It is a free protection against,basically,dying.
I have been quite lucky as I have never even had flu but my wife has had umpteen serious things which she has always got through so I`d rather cut my chances of getting something to infect her so she gets yet another visit to ICU.
Horrible virus but I`d rather get through it with my wife so we can enjoy our retirement,and the few years left,as we planned.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 1 Sep 23:54
If all of us decided not to have it we`d be snookered.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 2 Sep 07:02
"The topic was not meant to be confrontational, just a simple question. You can get the jabs but still carry it and pass it on."
I myself haven`t had it. 2 reasons, I don`t like needles and I don`t fancy the idea of nasty side effects. I know that not everybody gets side effects but I know that I would."
Apologies, Kozma. I completely misinterpreted your OP. I thought you were having a wee pop at folk who have decided against being vaccinated so far.
With respect, I`d suggest not liking needles is a pretty feeble reason for refusing the vaccine. I wonder if anyone does. I just looked away when I got them and hardly felt a thing. We may or may not get side effects. They might even turn out to be quite serious, but thankfully, probably quite rare.
Smoking tobacco can produce some very serious side effects and little or nothing in the way of health benefits. It doesn`t stop approx 1 in 5 of the population from doing it. Just saying...
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Thu 2 Sep 08:52
A friend who is a similar age to me and much, much fitter has had her life completely ruined by long covid for the foreseeable. Over a year now and no improvements whatsoever. Absolutely no doubt in my mind at all to take the vaccine. Chance of meaningful side effects are tiny and I'd much rather put something in my body that was designed by people who have dedicated their collective lives to science than listen to any politician (or basically anyone else with their own biased views) in the world. Don't mean that to sound confrontational at all, it's just the way I feel.
Don't judge anyone for choosing not to but like someone else in the thread said, we'd be a bit scunnered if everyone took that route.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 2 Sep 09:07
GG you said; "It would be far better if they could be persuaded by a compelling argument than being backed into a corner...."
Compelling arguments and reasons are all that is ever offered to those who are vaccine hesitant. These are arguments backed up by scientific data and facts. Now I`m not a medical scientist (not any kind of scientist) so I do not have the knowledge to analyse the raw data and decipher all results and tests. For that I have to place my trust in the doctors.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 2 Sep 11:41
It is technically an individual choice to not punch random strangers in the street, however we understand that sometimes social safety is more important than individual freedom.
Although the risk to others from refusing to get vaccinated is probably much higher than it is from refusing to not punch people.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Thu 2 Sep 17:41
Where's Adam Warlock when you need him? He'd punch covid's pus.
Post Edited (Thu 02 Sep 17:43)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 2 Sep 17:57
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 2 Sep 09:07
GG you said; "It would be far better if they could be persuaded by a compelling argument than being backed into a corner...."
Compelling arguments and reasons are all that is ever offered to those who are vaccine hesitant. These are arguments backed up by scientific data and facts. Now I`m not a medical scientist (not any kind of scientist) so I do not have the knowledge to analyse the raw data and decipher all results and tests. For that I have to place my trust in the doctors.
Apparently, 450,000 people aged 16-50 have not taken up the offer of vaccination, so I would argue that they have not been convinced so far, so the evidence offered so far has not been compelling enough.....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 2 Sep 18:45
Like you said though GG twenty percent of the population consume tobacco products. Perhaps the evidence offered to them not to do so isn`t compelling enough? Or is it something else, other than the overwhelming and logical evidence that they shouldn`t smoke that drives to do so regardless?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 2 Sep 19:19
much like obesity etc as well TWOK.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 3 Sep 10:23
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 2 Sep 18:45
Like you said though GG twenty percent of the population consume tobacco products. Perhaps the evidence offered to them not to do so isn`t compelling enough? Or is it something else, other than the overwhelming and logical evidence that they shouldn`t smoke that drives to do so regardless?
I think it's highly likely that the 20% of smokers are addicted, even if they don't like to admit it. I wonder if there's much if any overlap with the 20% who haven't been vaccinated? I very much doubt it. Surely if you're concerned about the potential dangers of a vaccine, you'd be absolutely terrified of the proven dangers of smoking?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 3 Sep 11:33
Havenāt touched a cigarette GG Riva.
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Topic Originator: NikNakPar
Date: Fri 3 Sep 15:38
I've not had it.
I take warfarin and each time I was scheduled for the jab my INR was not on target. My INR for anyone who doesn't know is basically a blood thickness reading. Each time it has been too thick so to speak. As that is now 4 apps I've been unable to get it due to this I wasn't given anymore apps, instead ive been told when my blood is fine I've to go to a drop in as soon as possible after my app with the warfarin clinic. My concern is if I have to get the 2nd jab within a certain time frame I can't guarantee my blood will be at target.
I do plan any getting but my main reason is I think I'll need it to do certain things and especially for my planned trip abroad next summer.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 3 Sep 18:12
Come on chaps, that Berry hasn't been vaccinated!
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 3 Sep 18:17
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jake89, Fri 03 Sep 18:12
Come on chaps, that Berry hasn't been vaccinated!
Haha stay away you buggers!!
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 3 Sep 20:39
I`ve tried to stop smoking every patch and tablet known to man, I even paid a ridiculous amount of money a few years back for hypnotherapy but as soon as I was out the charlatans door I was craving the demon known as nicotine. If only I could travel back in time to tell myself not to be a pr1cĀ£.
I`ve tried various vapes but have found them harsher on my throat than any roll up/ciggies.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Fri 3 Sep 21:22
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Fri 3 Sep 22:02
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 3 Sep 22:28
Did you mean to log in as someone else there to reply to yourself??
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Fri 3 Sep 23:09
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Fri 3 Sep 20:39
I`ve tried to stop smoking every patch and tablet known to man, I even paid a ridiculous amount of money a few years back for hypnotherapy but as soon as I was out the charlatans door I was craving the demon known as nicotine. If only I could travel back in time to tell myself not to be a pr1cĀ£.
I`ve tried various vapes but have found them harsher on my throat than any roll up/ciggies.
As for catching Covid anybody who knows me from the mental health forum will understand why I don`t care about catching it. A bit heavy to be discussing on this thread though.
Surprised to hear you found vaping harder on your throat than smoking.
I smoked for about 25 years before becoming tired of coughing my lungs up every morning on the way to work so decided to switch to vaping after many years of trying and failing to stop smoking.
I found the transition easy and definitely not as harsh on my throat.
And now I can walk without coughing and wheezing when I couldn't walk the length of myself before without doing so.
The benefits health wise to me have been great.
Of course.... Who's to say vaping is any better for you than smoking... But i certainly feel better for switching.
I'm now on 0.6 nicotine which is very low so my next step is to come off the vape completely. Fingers crossed.
If anything... At least I've saved a fortune since coming off the fags.
A pack of 20 were about Ā£9 when I stopped and I was probably on about 30 a day. So roughly Ā£13.50 a day to feed my habit.
Now I spend Ā£15 a month on vape juice and Ā£3.50 for a coil (after the initial investment of Ā£45 for my vape thingy of course ).
I do t think I could afford to smoke ciggies now... I hear a pack of 20 is around Ā£10 these days. That's about Ā£450 a month at 30 a day by my reckoning.
Scary min.
Ā£450 vs Ā£18.50... No contest š¤£
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sat 4 Sep 02:15
Iām pro-choice on the matter of vaccination and respect both sides. As some on here will know, as an unvaccinated man I was diagnosed with Covid just over a month ago. I remain unvaccinated since I now have a QR code that tells me I am āsafeā for the next six months. In future, to access public life, I presumably have the option of being vaccinated or have to do my damnest to catch Covid again. It seems like the world is closing in a bit.
Did I actually have Covid? Iām not sure. These days any bad illness is automatically labelled Covid so I donāt think the cotton bud thrust down my tonsils was ever really tested much in a laboratory. I had a throat infection obviously and felt unwell for a week but was labelled āCovid.ā I felt bad and stayed indoors out of respect for others, but would never have asked for play parks or schools or public spaces or EEP to be closed in my name. Nor would I demand that young people be vaccinated to spare me from what was just a week feeling bad. Maybe I was lucky.
How did I catch Covid? Again, I am not sure. My Russian lady Natasha, like me, has hardly ever been to a doctor in her life, but she was required to be vaccinated as she works in a call centre. She was not happy about this but complied, then two weeks later she was out on her feet and taken to hospital. I was ill but not so bad and interestingly, the Russian doctor asked me if I smoked. I said yes and he told me that had probably protected the virus getting deeper into my lungs, as it had clearly done with Natasha who has never smoked in her life. She was on a ventilator in hospital while I was smoking my 20 a day on shaky legs on the apartment balcony. She is convinced the vaccination triggered the Covid reaction which laid her low and was passed on to me. We donāt know, but neither do the doctors.
After four days in hospital Natasha was back and energetic as ever, although she says her sense of smell is like being pregnant again. (No jokes please.) She can now smell very acutely whereas my sense of smell and taste are around 40% of what they were. Everyone is different so we should remember that.
I am not anti-vaccination and may well decide that vaccination is the best route. Iāve had the usual jags that we all have in Scotland plus a few in China when I worked there which I think were to combat Hepatitis. I canāt remember, I just stuck my arm out and that was that.
But if you look back at the posts one year ago there were many on this site claiming they would get their two jabs and get life back to normal again. Well, we are not back to normal and I donāt think that can be laid at the door of the unvaccinated like myself. Science cannot deliver mathematical certainty, especially in terms of forecasting. And politicians love a crisis. I would say that Berry, Rastapari and myself have conceded less ground in terms of the lockdown/vaccination argument over the last 18 months than most. But no doubt we could be wrong n
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 4 Sep 12:47
Not being vaccinated is more like smoking whilst pregnant or in a car with children than it is just smoking normally.
Not being vaccinated makes you a danger to others. A danger to society actually, given the extra capacity for virus mutation that you are facilitating.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 4 Sep 12:58
Sammer think some of your post has been cut off?
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sat 4 Sep 15:25
Quote:
Wotsit, Sat 4 Sep 12:47
Not being vaccinated is more like smoking whilst pregnant or in a car with children than it is just smoking normally.
Not being vaccinated makes you a danger to others. A danger to society actually, given the extra capacity for virus mutation that you are facilitating.
I think recent research is casting doubt on the extent to which the vaccine reduces transmission, at least as far as the delta variant is concerned. That said, I would still advocate vaccination as it could save your life, keep you out of hospital (and thereby keeping it free for other stuff), and reduce the chances of long covid. This is significant as, let's face it, every one of us will get this virus at some point.
This is my signature
Post Edited (Sat 04 Sep 15:26)
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV
Date: Sat 4 Sep 15:51
My son has had covid and says he isn't getting jab as all it does is give you small doze of covid to build your immune system, he's had it already so his immune system will already be built up
 East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 4 Sep 16:06
I donāt believe being vaccinated does reduce transmission not at a significant level anyway, it was a line peddled to encourage folk to take it.
Will see what happens at the OF matches over 10k where you have to be vaccinated and see what comes of it.
Reduces the potential seriousness catching Covid, probably for some but thatās then their choice isnāt it. I choose to just put trust in my immune system thatās never let me down so far. Those that are double vaxxed, nothing to worry about then, leave us be.
As for your sons view, reasonable to me, catching and surviving covid legitimately is more beneficial than having it popped through a needle surely, but Iād never try sway his decision regardless and certainly not look down on him for it like many would.
Also to add the 12-15 year olds, ministers are circling as expected, potentially putting the JCVI recommendation to one side and yes, start hunting down our kids, shocked one is not. Itāll just start softer with āwritten parents permissionā Iām sure.
Wouldnāt put it past a mandatory vaccine before they can get their hands on their school dinner or get on the bus if they arenāt hitting their quota.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 4 Sep 17:03
So many experts on here.
Berry you're beginning to sound like a low calorie version of Rasta
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Sat 4 Sep 17:18
Vaccines do not contain Covid!!!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 4 Sep 17:41
Quote:
MDCCCLXXXV, Sat 4 Sep 15:51
My son has had covid and says he isn't getting jab as all it does is give you small doze of covid to build your immune system, he's had it already so his immune system will already be built up
Wrong. The vaccine will offer him greater immunity.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 4 Sep 17:43
Quote:
Berry, Sat 4 Sep 16:06
Also to add the 12-15 year olds, ministers are circling as expected, potentially putting the JCVI recommendation to one side and yes, start hunting down our kids, shocked one is not. Itāll just start softer with āwritten parents permissionā Iām sure.
It's not being offered to non-vulnerable 12-15s. If it was, it would still be up to the parent or carer to consent to their child receiving it. Yet to see evidence of "hunting" š¤¦āāļø
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 4 Sep 17:58
Quote:
Berry, Sat 4 Sep 16:06
I choose to just put trust in my immune system thatās never let me down so far.
Have you also done the same for Polio/Diptheria/Measles/Mumps/Rubellia etc, or have you avoided all of these diseases because of childhood vaccinations?
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sat 4 Sep 23:35
According to RT the Israelis claimed that catching Covid was 12 times more effective in preventing a recurrence than a vaccination. This is from a country which has vaccinated more than most. So I donāt know where jake89 gets his information from. Jake89 has been a very strong proponent of mass vaccination so I think it is fair to ask if he has a vested interest in this activity.
We were promised that vaccination would liberate society. It has failed to do this. The Johnny Two Jabs Brigade have gone very quiet of late, maybe they will find their voice after the third (or booster) jag, or it may take the 6 month booster in perpetuity before they find their voice again. Vaccination did not slay the monster as was promised a year ago. We are required to come back again and again, at great profit to the pharmaceutical companies who have found riches beyond their dreams. The politicians and experts will fall in behind the money and scream perpetual vaccination for all.
As for selfishness, I am just an amateur. I paid into the NHS all my life and never needed it, but I had no complaint. I understood it was for those in need and I was lucky. Money well invested I thought, for the greater good. But now I am being told that my contract with the NHS was not absolute but conditional: that they could only treat me when things were quiet. That was never said when they took my taxes all my working life. I understood the NHS was there to protect me: now I am told it is my duty to protect the NHS! What a turnaround. And Labour politicians are joining in the chorus. What nonsense. Itās like being told not to draw money from your bank because there is a run on the pound. It`s my duty to protect the bank!
Covid vaccinations have been a failure in how they were presented to the public; they have not achieved the breakthrough as was seen with polio for example, So anyone who remains sceptical is totally justified in doing so.
BTW there was no measles jab when I was a boy so I caught measles and then chickenpox when I was seven. Half my school did the same and nobody died. And no one ever suggested we needed a vaccination thereafter. Big pharma wasnāt quite so big back then.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 5 Sep 01:25
https://fullfact.org/health/maajid-nawaz-ross-clark-israel-vaccine-immunity/
Some more details about the RT report Sammer alludes to but with added context. In summary initial research seems to show greater protection is given to those who have been infected than those who have had the vaccine. However even longer and stronger protection is possessed by those who have been infected and then vaccinated afterwards.
So if you you`ve recovered form having covid it appears getting a shot of the AZ, Pfizer, Sputnik vaccine or indeed any of the other big pharm inoculations is the best way to go.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 5 Sep 06:54
Great to see you"re well enough to return to your Saturday night drinking sessions, sammer..
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 5 Sep 10:23
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sun 5 Sep 06:54
Great to see you"re well enough to return to your Saturday night drinking sessions, sammer..
I was thinking the same.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 5 Sep 10:33
I`d be interested to know where folk are finding the evidence that the vaccine doesn`t help to prevent spread, when the current advice on the US CDC website says:
COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting you from COVID-19, especially severe illness and death. COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume activities that you did before the pandemic. Learn more about what you can do when you have been fully vaccinated.
Whilst this article in nature suggests that the vaccine reduces chance of infection (fewer infections = reduced transmission) by 81% and direct transmission by 78%. That`s a significant reduction in mutation opportunities which helps to keep other people`s vaccines effective.
The fact that the Delta variant may (it`s not clear yet) be less protected against is only helping with proving the point that we have to get the spread and mutation opportunities under control, because mutated strains might well render the vaccine less effective.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 5 Sep 10:43
By the way Sammer, measles killed over 200,000 people last year. That`s a lot of people. However, here`s a graph of annual measles deaths, I`m sure that you will agree that it`s easy to spot when the vaccine was discovered?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sun 5 Sep 13:55
Genuine question but do some folk genuinely not get it or do they just wilfully ignore that the vaccine has led to;
- fewer hospitalisations
- fewer deaths
- the return of football/pubs/socialisation
To suggest that there has been no progression in the return of liberty since the vaccine is disingenuous at best.
Where do you guys think we would be without the vaccine as itās very easy to assume we would still all be locked down - and we are not now.
I donāt really care all that much that people still get Covid when the hope was the disease would be crushed, I care that the most devastating impacts of the disease have been massively reduced.
It is a simple fact that people who are not fully vaccinated are getting seriously ill and dying at much higher rates than the vaccinated population. Why anyone argues the toss against that information is beyond me.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sun 5 Sep 13:57
Wotsit, that was the article I was referring to. To be clear, the jury is out only on the delta variant, not the variants before that. But regardless of transmission reduction, vaccines are what have given our current freedom. Thank goodness it's 80% of folks prepared to give them a go and not 20%,, or we'd be in a perpetual lockdown cycle to prevent our hospitals being overwhelmed. I'm not quite sure what Sammer means when he says the vaccine has failed to liberate society when it is abundantly clear that it has done just that.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 5 Sep 16:26
Am I right in thinking that no vaccine for infants and young children is compulsory in the UK? In Italy almost all of them are.
My nephew's toddler almost died from rotavirus, a common virus among infants which causes vomiting and diarrhoea. The little boy became badly dehydrated and had to be put on a drip as he was too weak to drink by himself. I asked the kid's dad why he hadn't had him vaccinated and he told me it's the only one which isn't compulsory.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 5 Sep 17:08
As I understand it the vaccines haven't been approved by the JCVI for kids between 12 and 15 where they don't have underlying health conditions.
However, that was only announced last week and there may be a politically based overruling of that this week by the government.
Some doctors have raised some concerns that the JCVI analysis was badly inaccurate.
Most other countries appear to be pushing for 12 to 15 year olds to be vaccinated. But this might be because they want to push for herd immunity rather than for their own immediate protection.
As I understand it at least anyway.....
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 5 Sep 18:45
The JCVI is just advisory. Their logic is there's far less benefit given the low risk posed to 12-15 year olds.
The vaccine is already approved for 12-15s and my view is it should be up to the individual if they are to get it. The original plan in Scotland was to vaccinate (assuming consent) at the same time as the flu jab, which is being offered free to teenagers for the first time. Sounds like that'll be out the window.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 5 Sep 18:55
Only advisory yes, but you would expect them to get it right given they are the experts.
One of their input assumptions did sound like it was very dodgy (that two in every million would be admitted to hospital; in the last 6 months, over 260 had been admitted).
I suspect that their advice may change or they will get ignored next week.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 5 Sep 19:17
I think it's going to get to the point of just saying to treat it like cold/flu as all this sending home and 10 day isolation isn't going to work.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 5 Sep 20:57
The JCVI`s 2-in-a-million was for children without underlying conditions in intensive care due to Covid.
Although myocarditis doesn`t always require hospitalisation, it isn`t a particularly nice thing to subject kids to without a clear health benefit.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 22 Sep 10:15
Quote:
aaaaaaaaaargh, Sun 5 Sep 20:57
The JCVI`s 2-in-a-million was for children without underlying conditions in intensive care due to Covid.
Although myocarditis doesn`t always require hospitalisation, it isn`t a particularly nice thing to subject kids to without a clear health benefit.
Pfizer's Myocarditis treatment profits up a rumoured 70%, say what you like but they are good at what they do eh.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 22 Sep 11:38
Yas! Welcome back Rasta!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 22 Sep 15:57
Quote:
Berry, Wed 22 Sep 11:38
Yas! Welcome back Rasta!
Took a while :)
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 22 Sep 15:58
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 22 Sep 11:47
Turns out some of the studies into myocarditis affecting teenagers are critically flawed.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/sep/20/doubts-raised-over-preprint-study-regarding-myocar/
I only found that article because I was looking for anything about Pfizer`s myocarditis treatment profits increasing by 70%.
I`ll let you guess if I found anything.
Do you know where to look?
No barb, just asking...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Sep 16:31
I couldn`t find anything relating to pfizer in profits related to myocarditis treatments. Now I`d assume Pfizer, as a public traded company will release earning reports and that may even be broken down into profits and losses related to drug types but I`d be surprised if they have released data that on that which covers the past six months.
What makes me think though that you have been taken in by a dodgy story Rasta is there is no one single treatment for myocarditis that I can find. Rather any medicinal treatment involved blood pressure and blood thinning medication being taken.
Post Edited (Wed 22 Sep 16:33)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 22 Sep 18:13
I don't agree with this, but in Italy the Government are trying to push through legislation that only those who are fully vaccinated will be able to work.
Even the Tories wouldn't have the brass neck to try that here, I don't think.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Wed 22 Sep 19:17
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Wed 22 Sep 19:18
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 22 Sep 20:46
"Meanwhile in Australia the police are booting people up and down the streetā¦ that country has gone mental with lockdowns."
Picture this. Your government has adopted a strict lockdown policy. To a very large extent, the population has complied with the rules and it has worked brilliantly. There have been just over 1,000 deaths from Covid since it arrived in the country early last year. How many in the UK?
After beating two waves of the virus off and opening our shops, pubs and restaurants up again, the Delta variant entered Australia from India a few months ago and, like a lot of countries, we have been experiencing a large surge of cases.
We were slow off the mark with vaccinations, but plentiful supplies have arrived and we are now close to 70% with the expectation that 80% will be reached by November. So we have a firm target to aim for, for that will signal a return to a relatively high degree of normality.
Here in Victoria, where the state government has been strictest, we are in our sixth lockdown in 18 months. In total, we have spent about 230 days in lockdown, an utterly demoralising experience, but we recognise its necessity now that the finishing line is so close.
Against this backdrop, in recent weeks there has been growing noise from a very small sector of the population who are protesting the lockdowns and vaccinations.
This weeks bovver has come about because the government has got tough on construction sites where there have been large outbreaks of Covid, largely down to slack management of mask usage rules, distancing, etc. Several sites were ordered to close down.
The construction workers union went to the streets this week to protest this action. They have been joined by a number of anarchists and, as you can see, violence has erupted on the streets of Melbourne. The police have responded appropriately.
Let me make it very clear, the vast majority of Victorians support the police in their action. There is a deep - DEEP - resentment in the population towards the anti- maskers and anti-vaccers. They are seen as actively delaying our escape from lockdown.
I was in the queue at the supermarket yesterday and all the talk was about what was going on in the city centre. Suffice to say, every single person who expressed a view (maybe a dozen) supported the police force`s tough action.
As a footnote: Just to rub salt in our wounds, all Victorians experienced a right good shaking at 9.15 this morning with an earthquake 5.9 in the Richter scale. Someone doesn`t like us...
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 22 Sep 21:14
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EEP, Wed 22 Sep 19:17
A weird oneā¦
So a sparky I know on site hasnāt had any jabs and his son caught covidā¦ so now he has to self isolate(although tested negative) because he is non vaccinatedā¦. but his wife who has the 2 jabs and tested negative can carry on as normal?
That makes no sense whatsoeverā¦ š¤·š»āāļøš¤·š»āāļø
Meanwhile in Australia the police are booting people up and down the streetā¦ that country has gone mental with lockdowns.
https://twitter.com/taki1qlega/status/1440227616909246473?s=21
Post Edited (Wed 22 Sep 19:47)
Are you referring to lateral flow or PCR when talking about negative tests?
My understanding is they are spinning that the lateral flow tests are not reliable now (ironic considering weāve relied on them pretty heavily before) and therefore whilst both tested negative āsaferā to let the double jabbed out and for the non jabbed to isolate. I struggle with it to be honest, just another attempt of coercion if you ask me.
I was called out by saying theyāll start hunting down our kids for vaccinations. Maybe itās the term I used but I donāt think Iāve been wrong.
Kids between 12-15 were to have parents consent, thatās what they said then they changed their mind and said if the kid disagrees and is sane enough to make that call then the parent is over-ruled, good precedent in life to set that, also a good way to try force up the number.
You have Whitty announcing that it is a near certainty every kid will catch COVID, factualā¦or scaremongering?
Kids are least likely to suffer any significant issues if they catch Covid so itās now being positioned as youād lose more days of education without taking the vaccine, might be acceptable for parents that to be honest than taking an unproven vaccine. Itās likely there are a lot of kids that will have already had COVID and built some natural immunity so is it worth itā¦not for me.
I also said god forbid they try go younger than the 12-15, well low and behold Pfizer have come out saying the vaccine is safe for 5-11 year olds.
Vaccine Passports in England, can we now just agree that it was one big hoax to up the number of vaccinations, it was as expected, an attempt at coercion, threatening something that they had no plans to do. They must have hit their quota for now, but still keeping in back pocket to threaten againā¦carrot and stick was it Rasta said?
Left Nicola in a bit of a pickle who was being shielded by Boris, be interesting to see if she follows through.
This isnāt just about āanti-vaxxersā, or necessarily being about āanti covid vaccineā. Itās the whole way the Governments are handling this, in my view there are holes in their whole approach and quite frankly I have no confidence nor trust in them.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 22 Sep 21:26
I should add I do sympathise with whatās happening in Australia.
Iām not in favour of any of the protests that are occurring and wearing a mask is hardly a major inconvenience so donāt see an issue with that either.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 22 Sep 21:31
Quote:
EEP, Wed 22 Sep 19:18
Glad to see the Rasta back btw!
Thanks fella.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 22 Sep 22:43
`Here in Victoria, where the state government has been strictest, we are in our sixth lockdown in 18 months. In total, we have spent about 230 days in lockdown, an utterly demoralising experience, but we recognise its necessity now that the finishing line is so close.`
What finishing line? The double vaccination was heralded as the finishing line but failed to deliver. It was fools` gold. You`ve been imprisoned on a promise that never materialised nor ever will.
sammer
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 22 Sep 22:50
They've been pretty clear from the start that we were likely going to tell some of the population that they might need regular jabs.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 22 Sep 23:12
Berry....yeah....I did say carrot and stick.
How many carrots will do folk need to not get?
Surely we are at a point that we can agree this whole thing has been monetized and politicised?
I'm not doing it here.
You want a timetable of what will likely be coming next, find me, it isn't hard, sorry fella but this place ain't the place for me or this debate.
I am not an antivaxxer/disease rat/ refusenik or any other label....I do not believe in the processes this jab has gone through nor the people behind the fast tracking.
What will be will be.
TOWK....for whatever reason I cannot post links...nothing technical...like nothing shows when I try to, not even what I type..
I genuinely don't know.
If you look back you'll see the occasional **** it not working posts.
Stay well.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 22 Sep 23:13
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ipswichpar, Wed 22 Sep 22:50
They've been pretty clear from the start that we were likely going to tell some of the population that they might need regular jabs.
No they really haven't.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Thu 23 Sep 00:10
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 22 Sep 23:12
I am not an antivaxxer/disease rat/ refusenik or any other label....I do not believe in the processes this jab has gone through nor the people behind the fast tracking.
What will be will be.
I can speak from personal experience, as you know mate, of having a drug which had no name, no data, no nothing getting pumped into me. Not knowing what it would do to me, I was absolutely overwhelmed with fear of not only dying but from whatever side effects there could be, of which I didn't know. It was last resort, I know. But, thankfully, forever thankful actually, that the science behind my drug worked and, as far as I know, is still working to save my life.
These vaccines have gone through trials and if the scientists, whose life work it is, say they're safe then that's good enough for me š
Nice to see you back an aw mucker š
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 23 Sep 01:46
"What finishing line? The double vaccination was heralded as the finishing line but failed to deliver. It was fools` gold. You`ve been imprisoned on a promise that never materialised nor ever will. - sammer"
We shall see, sammer. By finishing line, clearly I mean the end of lockdown, not the end of Covid-19. And I see nothing to suggest that this will not be possible once the 80% threshold has been achieved. I have had the two vaccinations and in my district, the compliance level is already past 80%.
Presumaby, natural attrition will see to the remaining 20%.
So, what will this mean? No more lockdowns. All shops, pubs, restaurants and gyms are open. I will be able to return to my pre-breakfast laps at my local public swimming pool. And my stepdaughter and I will be able to fly to Thailand to reunite with my partner and stepdaughter number two, who we haven`t seen in the flesh since we flew out of Bangkok airport on January 28 last year.
There are thousands and thousands of families who have forcibly been separated through Covid. For each and every one of them it has been a very stressful time.
Sammer may call all this a "fools gold". I would more comfortably associate "fools gold" with those who have spent the past 18 months conjouring up ways to actively prevent those fighting the virus.
Whether it was Trump with his ego-driven objection to masks, the evil swine screaming abuse at nurses and doctors coming through hospital gates, or the conspiracy crazies who claimed that we were all lab rats in the great experiment of some shady organisation with dark plans for the world.
Central to all this of course was evil Big Pharma.
"We must stop the vaccinations!!! Big Pharma must not win..." the crazies shouted and screamed.
Yep. Great plan that was...
Vital time was lost and before we knew it, Covid-19 was no longer an epidemic... it was endemic, a permanent fixture. Whether we like it or not, we are going to have to learn to live with it for the rest of our lives.
In the end, Big Pharma has won, thanks in no small measure to the Rastas of this world.
So, were we lab rats? Or were the army of little mouthpieces like Rasta who were sent hither and thither through social media armed with fresh snippets of misinformation every week, the real lab rats, the control group?
Make no mistake, this was organised. Rasta was no Nostradamus. Most of us here will be on other message boards. In my case, my interests range from politics through to growing plants in my greenhouse and every one has a message board that I regularly visit.
With almost clockwork regularity, my favourite message boards had Rasta, and Linda, and Postman Pete and Golden Sage all parroting the latest conspiracies, almost word for word.
So forgive me if I don`t share some folks` enthusiasm for his return to dotnet.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Sep 09:07
Quote:
Big T Par, Thu 23 Sep 00:10
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 22 Sep 23:12
I am not an antivaxxer/disease rat/ refusenik or any other label....I do not believe in the processes this jab has gone through nor the people behind the fast tracking.
What will be will be.
I can speak from personal experience, as you know mate, of having a drug which had no name, no data, no nothing getting pumped into me. Not knowing what it would do to me, I was absolutely overwhelmed with fear of not only dying but from whatever side effects there could be, of which I didn't know. It was last resort, I know. But, thankfully, forever thankful actually, that the science behind my drug worked and, as far as I know, is still working to save my life.
These vaccines have gone through trials and if the scientists, whose life work it is, say they're safe then that's good enough for me š
Nice to see you back an aw mucker š
I know mate but that is different, you weren't coerced into doing it, those looking to administer didn't threaten you with second class citizenship if you politely refused did they?
Either respect, entirely different situation.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Sep 09:12
Quote:
OzPar, Thu 23 Sep 01:46
"What finishing line? The double vaccination was heralded as the finishing line but failed to deliver. It was fools` gold. You`ve been imprisoned on a promise that never materialised nor ever will. - sammer"
We shall see, sammer. By finishing line, clearly I mean the end of lockdown, not the end of Covid-19. And I see nothing to suggest that this will not be possible once the 80% threshold has been achieved. I have had the two vaccinations and in my district, the compliance level is already past 80%.
Presumaby, natural attrition will see to the remaining 20%.
So, what will this mean? No more lockdowns. All shops, pubs, restaurants and gyms are open. I will be able to return to my pre-breakfast laps at my local public swimming pool. And my stepdaughter and I will be able to fly to Thailand to reunite with my partner and stepdaughter number two, who we haven`t seen in the flesh since we flew out of Bangkok airport on January 28 last year.
There are thousands and thousands of families who have forcibly been separated through Covid. For each and every one of them it has been a very stressful time.
Sammer may call all this a "fools gold". I would more comfortably associate "fools gold" with those who have spent the past 18 months conjouring up ways to actively prevent those fighting the virus.
Whether it was Trump with his ego-driven objection to masks, the evil swine screaming abuse at nurses and doctors coming through hospital gates, or the conspiracy crazies who claimed that we were all lab rats in the great experiment of some shady organisation with dark plans for the world.
Central to all this of course was evil Big Pharma.
"We must stop the vaccinations!!! Big Pharma must not win..." the crazies shouted and screamed.
Yep. Great plan that was...
Vital time was lost and before we knew it, Covid-19 was no longer an epidemic... it was endemic, a permanent fixture. Whether we like it or not, we are going to have to learn to live with it for the rest of our lives.
In the end, Big Pharma has won, thanks in no small measure to the Rastas of this world.
So, were we lab rats? Or were the army of little mouthpieces like Rasta who were sent hither and thither through social media armed with fresh snippets of misinformation every week, the real lab rats, the control group?
Make no mistake, this was organised. Rasta was no Nostradamus. Most of us here will be on other message boards. In my case, my interests range from politics through to growing plants in my greenhouse and every one has a message board that I regularly visit.
With almost clockwork regularity, my favourite message boards had Rasta, and Linda, and Postman Pete and Golden Sage all parroting the latest conspiracies, almost word for word.
So forgive me if I don`t share some folks` enthusiasm for his return to dotnet.
I'm not a member of any message boards so don't use my name in conjun
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 23 Sep 09:44
No, what I am saying is that, like many others, you have been manipulated.
Who by? I have no idea. Those nice Qanon folk perhaps, Steve Bannon and his cronies on Facebook or Reddit sites. It doesn`t really matter. But if you were to dig far enough, you would probably discover that Big Pharma was lurking in there somewhere.
Now wouldn`t that be ironic?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Sep 10:47
Quote:
OzPar, Thu 23 Sep 09:44
No, what I am saying is that, like many others, you have been manipulated.
Who by? I have no idea. Those nice Qanon folk perhaps, Steve Bannon and his cronies on Facebook or Reddit sites. It doesn`t really matter. But if you were to dig far enough, you would probably discover that Big Pharma was lurking in there somewhere.
Now wouldn`t that be ironic?
Ozpar.....I have watched through my own eyes and I'm doing so now...
I am not seeing ANY unvaccinated friends get ill, not one.....and yet in the vaccinated....well...not going so well.
I guess my buddy didn't drop dead of a massive heart attack just after the second jab, I guess it's ok though because you lot subscribe to "it's to be expected".....not to his wife and kids it wasn't.
I guess my friends daughter's (21) periods didn't immediately mess up and she hasn't been diagnosed with early menopause.
I guess all my double jabbed friends coming down with covid are just dodgy tests....just a cold right?
Again you just wade in with assumptions, you know nothing of me, not a thing.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Thu 23 Sep 11:08
Rasta, That's a good point mate, I wasn't. So yeah fair do's with that. But why would the scientists, be wanting to do you harm?
Onto your point above, about not having any unvaccinated friends get ill with it, I have two mates at work who were both admitted to ICU. One of them had refused to take the vaccine, due to him being mixed race and after reading sh1te on the Internet that people of mix race would die if they got vaccinated. This was in May and he was ill as F and he's still off work. Really struggling to breathe and his quality of life is awful now. Really feel for him. He's since had the jag, but too little too late.
My other mate has recovered better, but he showed me pics of his scan and the damage to his lungs is incredible.
Post Edited (Thu 23 Sep 11:09)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 23 Sep 11:21
That's a personal experience though, Rasta.
I can tell you of an unvaccinated pal who had a recent hospital stay and was incredibly unwell. I can compare this with a double vaccinated colleague who had it rough but only required a check-up for a concern he had about his breathing, which turned out to be caused by anxiety of having COVID!
That's just my experience and won't be true to many people.
The only thing to review is the data.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 23 Sep 11:42
Quote:
jake89, Thu 23 Sep 11:21
That's a personal experience though, Rasta.
I can tell you of an unvaccinated pal who had a recent hospital stay and was incredibly unwell. I can compare this with a double vaccinated colleague who had it rough but only required a check-up for a concern he had about his breathing, which turned out to be caused by anxiety of having COVID!
That's just my experience and won't be true to many people.
The only thing to review is the data.
I must say from my perspective as well, all unvaccinated people I know have been absolutely fine, those vaccinated, my parents and aunts for example, catching it and feeling awful.
What Iām finding is folk I know that are vaccinated are more worried about COVID than they were unvaccinated which I was surprised with, youād think having had the jab theyād feel safer but not getting a sense of that.
Personal experience though, not speaking on behalf of the masses.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Sep 16:12
Quote:
jake89, Thu 23 Sep 11:21
That's a personal experience though, Rasta.
I can tell you of an unvaccinated pal who had a recent hospital stay and was incredibly unwell. I can compare this with a double vaccinated colleague who had it rough but only required a check-up for a concern he had about his breathing, which turned out to be caused by anxiety of having COVID!
That's just my experience and won't be true to many people.
The only thing to review is the data.
Whose experience am I supposed to live my life from, yours?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 23 Sep 16:20
It might go better ;)
Sorry, couldn't resist it :)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Sep 16:30
Quote:
ipswichpar, Thu 23 Sep 16:20
It might go better ;)
Sorry, couldn't resist it :)
How better can it be?
Not getting ill, nor are my friends or family, well, the unjabbed one's are fine...
Not living in fear....
Sorry, couldn't resist š
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 23 Sep 16:39
Read my last line again, Rasta š
My point is everyone has a different experience but the data is the only thing that gives the bigger picture.
If you based everything on individual experiences then I could legitimately claim that based on my experience today, no-one in Dunfermline owns a silver Vauxhall as I didn't see any.
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Thu 23 Sep 16:45
Canāt say I know anyone thatās double jabbed "living in fear", quite the opposite in fact, enjoying being able to do things and having some kind of normality back.
I also donāt understand the mindset of someone trying to one up people for getting the vaccination.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 23 Sep 16:46
:)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 23 Sep 17:10
Quote:
JnrB, Thu 23 Sep 16:45
Canāt say I know anyone thatās double jabbed "living in fear", quite the opposite in fact, enjoying being able to do things and having some kind of normality back.
I also donāt understand the mindset of someone trying to one up people for getting the vaccination.
I've not left this room. Filled with milk bottles filled with pee...and don't investigate the smell coming from the wardrobe...
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Topic Originator: sintv
Date: Thu 23 Sep 17:24
I'm going to Edinburgh Playhouse saturday. If you don't have vaccination certificate your not getting in.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Sep 18:10
Quote:
sintv, Thu 23 Sep 17:24
I'm going to Edinburgh Playhouse saturday. If you don't have vaccination certificate your not getting in.
They, by law, are not allowed to ask for verification if you even voice an exemption... by law, so I doubt that.
A mandate is advisory, not law.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sintv
Date: Thu 23 Sep 18:18
I know you may not believe a fact but a relative was there last week and people were turned away. Email was sent to punters telling them to bring certificate.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 23 Sep 18:19
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 23 Sep 10:47
Quote:
OzPar, Thu 23 Sep 09:44
No, what I am saying is that, like many others, you have been manipulated.
Who by? I have no idea. Those nice Qanon folk perhaps, Steve Bannon and his cronies on Facebook or Reddit sites. It doesn`t really matter. But if you were to dig far enough, you would probably discover that Big Pharma was lurking in there somewhere.
Now wouldn`t that be ironic?
Ozpar.....I have watched through my own eyes and I'm doing so now...
I am not seeing ANY unvaccinated friends get ill, not one.....and yet in the vaccinated....well...not going so well.
I guess my buddy didn't drop dead of a massive heart attack just after the second jab, I guess it's ok though because you lot subscribe to "it's to be expected".....not to his wife and kids it wasn't.
I guess my friends daughter's (21) periods didn't immediately mess up and she hasn't been diagnosed with early menopause.
I guess all my double jabbed friends coming down with covid are just dodgy tests....just a cold right?
Again you just wade in with assumptions, you know nothing of me, not a thing.
You do understand that the vaccination is for Covid? Itās not a vaccine for heart attacks or act to prevent the menopause. You seem to imply that people should expect to never be ill ever again once vaccinated or if they are then that that illness whatever it may be is definitely and entirely the fault of the vaccine.
Are you also suggesting your unvaccinated friends are now immune from illness?
I really hope you didnāt spout any of your the vaccine done it p!sh to the bereaved family
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 23 Sep 18:31
Is this not the problem though, examples above of massive heart attacks and bringing on early menopause youāre implying that the vaccination didnāt cause it because itās administered to prevent Covid.
Yet you could have a heart attack tomorrow and if you happen to have Covid youāre logged as a Covid death, implying Covid caused the heart attack or twisting it that it was the final nail which is equally not true.
Post Edited (Thu 23 Sep 18:33)
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 23 Sep 18:36
Quote:
sintv, Thu 23 Sep 18:18
I know you may not believe a fact but a relative was there last week and people were turned away. Email was sent to punters telling them to bring certificate.
What Rasta is saying is a fact though, if punters are being advised to bring evidence of exemption then punters are within their rights to report it as they are legally not allowed to challenge you.
Loophole for those that donāt want the vaccine I wouldnāt disagree but thatās the way it is.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 23 Sep 18:46
The vaccine passport legislation doesn`t come into force until 5am on October 1st. I believe, and I might be wrong on this, that from that point then those who who are exempt will be required to show a document which confirms that status.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Sep 21:04
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 23 Sep 18:46
The vaccine passport legislation doesn`t come into force until 5am on October 1st. I believe, and I might be wrong on this, that from that point then those who who are exempt will be required to show a document which confirms that status.
Nope, they still have no right to even question you, that's the law, the passport is the mandate, if ever punter turned away opened a discrimination case, those venues are in trouble.
Laugh, derise....but it is the law.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 23 Sep 21:59
It is a massive loophole for the unvaccinated to be fair, do what you want and then if questioned play the exempt card.
I actually just looked on Amazon and if you search for exemption lanyard thereās loads, they shouldāve been distributed only from doctors/NHS and any other appropriate association and anyone else should be hammered for selling them.
Edit to add its equally a big loophole for the vaccinated that donāt want to wear face masks.
Post Edited (Thu 23 Sep 22:08)
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 23 Sep 22:10
Quote:
Berry, Thu 23 Sep 18:31
Is this not the problem though, examples above of massive heart attacks and bringing on early menopause youāre implying that the vaccination didnāt cause it because itās administered to prevent Covid.
Yet you could have a heart attack tomorrow and if you happen to have Covid youāre logged as a Covid death, implying Covid caused the heart attack or twisting it that it was the final nail which is equally not true.
Post Edited (Thu 23 Sep 18:33)
I think we agree to an extent - in both examples the heart attack is not due to vaccine and death by heart attack is not by Covid.
However my understanding is that death certificates have multiple conditions contained within whether cause of death or not so it would still be death by heart attack and in that example Covid would not be recorded as the cause of death - the final sentence below backs that up;
World Health Organisation guidelines state that āCOVID-19 should be recorded on the medical certificate of cause of death for ALL decedents where the disease, or is assumed to have caused, or contributed to death, i.e. COVID-19 is the underlying cause of deathā. Such an example would be someone who has developed pneumonia as a result of COVID-19, dies from acute respiratory distress. Alternatively, COVID-19 may be present on the death certificate as a significant condition contributing to death but not the underlying cause. These guidelines are clear that in such cases these deaths āare not deaths due to COVID-19 and should not be certified as suchā:
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 23 Sep 22:20
Thatās good if thatās the case now. I recall government stats including every death that had Covid written down on certificate regardless if it was deemed a significant factor or not.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Sep 22:30
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Berry, Thu 23 Sep 22:20
Thatās good if thatās the case now. I recall government stats including every death that had Covid written down on certificate regardless if it was deemed a significant factor or not.
Berry....check it out for yourself.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 23 Sep 23:46
From the Scottish government website regarding exemptions from the vaccine passport scheme.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-mandatory-vaccine-certification/
I`ll quote the relevant passage;
"Medical exemptions.
We are developing an exemptions approval process for medical exemptions. This will be finalised and published ahead of implementation.
It is estimated that fewer than 1 in 1,000 people (0.1%) of the population cannot be vaccinated for medical reason (distinct from those exempt due to age or participation in a clinical trial). Reasons may include medical contraindications such as severe allergic reaction to vaccine and those receiving end of life care.
Work is ongoing with vaccination experts, clinicians, Public Health Scotland, GP representative bodies, Data privacy and NHS Boards to finalise the process that will enable those who need an exemption to receive it as quickly as possible while minimising the additional workload for already stretched NHS services including GPs, and in a way that is compatible with the human rights of those who may be entitled to exemption."
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Sep 23:54
TOWK....start at the human rights bit.
None of what I have said is wrong...no matter what way you rebuff it.
Hey, I mean you no harm or ire by the way, just not thrilled with what's coming..
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Fri 24 Sep 10:36
Working out if you are menopausal takes months and months and months, believe me. You have to not have had a period for at least 12 months before they even consider you are peri-menopausal.
None of my female friends have suggested any missed periods following their vaccine. Not one.
So to even suggest that covid vaccine has caused this cannot be accurate, sorry.
Iāve had my appointment for my 3rd vac today.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 24 Sep 10:40
Quote:
Pars232, Fri 24 Sep 10:36
Working out if you are menopausal takes months and months and months, believe me. You have to not have had a period for at least 12 months before they even consider you are peri-menopausal.
None of my female friends have suggested any missed periods following their vaccine. Not one.
So to even suggest that covid vaccine has caused this cannot be accurate, sorry.
Iāve had my appointment for my 3rd vac today.
Again though, completely opposite here, in the family too, like I said, you live life through your experience of it, leave me to do the same.
On the influence of the vaccine, the family and their doctor are looking into it.
As for months and months and months....a tad dramatic when a blood test can highlight the markers of menopause at an early stage.
Would you like their name and address so you could go round and challenge/mock them?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Fri 24 Sep 10:58
No I wouldnāt like their name address thanks.
By all means this young girl may be going through the menopause. Itās no stroll believe me. I just know it takes a lot to diagnose Rasta.
We here to debate not mock each other. Given that I have some experience of this I just thought that Iād bring that to the table. I just simply donāt believe this has been caused by a vaccine sorry. And you canāt prove that
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Fri 24 Sep 11:17
Every single person that I know, who's had the vaccine, hasn't had any issues.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 24 Sep 11:17
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Pars232, Fri 24 Sep 10:58
No I wouldnāt like their name address thanks.
By all means this young girl may be going through the menopause. Itās no stroll believe me. I just know it takes a lot to diagnose Rasta.
We here to debate not mock each other. Given that I have some experience of this I just thought that Iād bring that to the table. I just simply donāt believe this has been caused by a vaccine sorry. And you canāt prove that
Well, I know the family personally, I know what they pursuing and to an extent their doctor's views.
I've said it before...it seems every death from covid is a tragedy, every other death or difficulty either gets mocked or is "To be expected".
Guess I'm not that cold.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Fri 24 Sep 11:26
Hope she gets the answers sheās looking for Rasta.
I think thereās few people on here who would mock anyone that was going through a hard time. My experience over the last year of health issues is a feeling of support from friends and family and my pars family too.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 24 Sep 12:45
There's no mocking of anyone going through the menopause but it's correct that it takes a long time to conclude. Also, it would be difficult to necessarily link it to the vaccine as you'd need to evidence it was a result of the vaccine and not something that would have happened anyway. That's not me suggesting it isn't linked, just that it is presumably hard to draw that conclusion with great certainty.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 24 Sep 12:45
Quite impressive a load of men discussing the menopause but my wife has been getting investigated for a very long time on this now and as hormones fluctuate it takes an awful lot for the blood test to be conclusive. I. Her case it has indeed been months and months and months and still continues without conclusion.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 24 Sep 13:55
Quote:
P, Fri 24 Sep 12:45
Quite impressive a load of men discussing the menopause but my wife has been getting investigated for a very long time on this now and as hormones fluctuate it takes an awful lot for the blood test to be conclusive. I. Her case it has indeed been months and months and months and still continues without conclusion.
The young lasses body is behaving like that of someone going through the menopause, it really is that simple and confirmed by the family doctor, of course there will be ongoing investigation.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Fri 24 Sep 14:49
Quote:
P, Fri 24 Sep 12:45
Quite impressive a load of men discussing the menopause but my wife has been getting investigated for a very long time on this now and as hormones fluctuate it takes an awful lot for the blood test to be conclusive. I. Her case it has indeed been months and months and months and still continues without conclusion.
š¤£š¤£totally! Iām having a hot flash just reading the comments š¤£
I suppose Iām lucky I know Iām peri menopausal due to the drugs I take, all the symptoms are there.
I hope your wife is coping as well as she can do with it all P (and you too)
Post Edited (Fri 24 Sep 14:52)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 24 Sep 17:41
āWould you like their name and address so you could go round and challenge/mock them?ā
Was there any real need for that? Not a single person on here mocked your friendās predicament. Not one.
People may disagree with what you say but thatās not mocking - thatās simple discussion.
āBuffyās Buns are the finest in Fifeā, J. Spence 2019ā
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 24 Sep 18:09
Quote:
buffy, Fri 24 Sep 17:41
āWould you like their name and address so you could go round and challenge/mock them?ā
Was there any real need for that? Not a single person on here mocked your friendās predicament. Not one.
People may disagree with what you say but thatās not mocking - thatās simple discussion.
It's the insinuation I would make it up.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 24 Sep 19:33
That`s purely down to how you interpret posts, though, Rasta.
As for the subject of menopause - not overly dramatic at all re blood tests to confirm the early signs. It took my specialist (plus GP) at Ninewells 7 years for my diagnosis with countless blood tests in that time, never mind the invasive and often very painful procedures of investigation. Having finally discovered why babies were never going to be on the agenda - from the age of 27 - I wished it HAD only taken an instant to be diagnosed with early menopause, at that time.
I truly hope your friend gets the help she needs, after a devastating diagnosis.
PS Welcome back.
āBuffyās Buns are the finest in Fifeā, J. Spence 2019ā
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 24 Sep 21:31
Quote:
buffy, Fri 24 Sep 19:33
That`s purely down to how you interpret posts, though, Rasta.
As for the subject of menopause - not overly dramatic at all re blood tests to confirm the early signs. It took my specialist (plus GP) at Ninewells 7 years for my diagnosis with countless blood tests in that time, never mind the invasive and often very painful procedures of investigation. Having finally discovered why babies were never going to be on the agenda - from the age of 27 - I wished it HAD only taken an instant to be diagnosed with early menopause, at that time.
I truly hope your friend gets the help she needs, after a devastating diagnosis.
PS Welcome back.
It's horrible Buffy....hey, be well you, nice to hear from you even under these circumstances āā
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sat 25 Sep 00:27
Quote:
Pars232, Fri 24 Sep 14:49
Quote:
P, Fri 24 Sep 12:45
Quite impressive a load of men discussing the menopause but my wife has been getting investigated for a very long time on this now and as hormones fluctuate it takes an awful lot for the blood test to be conclusive. I. Her case it has indeed been months and months and months and still continues without conclusion.
š¤£š¤£totally! Iām having a hot flash just reading the comments š¤£
I suppose Iām lucky I know Iām peri menopausal due to the drugs I take, all the symptoms are there.
I hope your wife is coping as well as she can do with it all P (and you too)
Post Edited (Fri 24 Sep 14:52)
She does really well and I try to educate myself but I imagine if she thought some idiot with a phd in stuff they believe from YouTube said it was because she took a covid vaccine she would get a little bit agitated
Post Edited (Sat 25 Sep 00:29)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 25 Sep 08:55
Quote:
P, Sat 25 Sep 00:27
Quote:
Pars232, Fri 24 Sep 14:49
Quote:
P, Fri 24 Sep 12:45
Quite impressive a load of men discussing the menopause but my wife has been getting investigated for a very long time on this now and as hormones fluctuate it takes an awful lot for the blood test to be conclusive. I. Her case it has indeed been months and months and months and still continues without conclusion.
š¤£š¤£totally! Iām having a hot flash just reading the comments š¤£
I suppose Iām lucky I know Iām peri menopausal due to the drugs I take, all the symptoms are there.
I hope your wife is coping as well as she can do with it all P (and you too)
Post Edited (Fri 24 Sep 14:52)
She does really well and I try to educate myself but I imagine if she thought some idiot with a phd in stuff they believe from YouTube said it was because she took a covid vaccine she would get a little bit agitated
Have you read the thread or just having a pop?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 26 Sep 08:47
So I've had a lot of "do your civic duty" thrown at me....I look at the petrol hoarding behaviour and think yeah, I really should do my upmost for those stupid creatures, really should.
The greater good eh...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 26 Sep 09:34
Some would argue you are delivering a civic duty by not receiving the vaccine as you provide a comparable test case. However, I'd never suggest receiving or not receiving has anything to do with civic duty.
The petrol shortages is just hilarious. We don't seem as bad as down south but you've got to question what these people are doing. Where are they putting all these cans of petrol? Genuinely surprised we've not had a story of someone blowing themselves up by putting a few cans in the boot and then lighting a fag on the way home.
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Sun 26 Sep 11:16
Plot twist, imagine all the people panic buying fuel are unvaccinated.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 26 Sep 11:24
That would make sense as the government experts are telling us there is and will not be any fuel shortages.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 26 Sep 18:49
The number of people I see in shops and supermarkets without masks on is a concern
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 26 Sep 19:57
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 26 Sep 18:49
The number of people I see in shops and supermarkets without masks on is a concern
I'm amazed at how many adults with respiratory problems meaning they can't wear a mask have managed to give birth to children who also have the same conditions.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 26 Sep 20:06
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 26 Sep 18:49
The number of people I see in shops and supermarkets without masks on is a concern
Well out here in sunny Tenerife things are basically back to normal, in fact it's getting busier by the day, masks only to be worn indoors, some do some don't!
Sad seeing some of the businesses that didn't survive but those that did are chocablock!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 27 Sep 00:36
Here, in my part of Oz, I have just returned from a very busy supermarket. The number of people not wearing a mask? Zero. The likelihood of someone being pulled up if they were not wearing one? 100%.
In Victoria, people must wear face masks everywhere except in their homes. This includes indoor places and outdoor areas unless they have a medical exemption. And need I say it? The number of medical exemptions is tiny.
Here`s the advice that is being given from the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners to GPs with respect to medical exemptions...
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While most patients are now open to wearing masks following the latest Government announcements, some patients find them āsuffocatingā and difficult to wear for long periods of time.
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Some GPs report that patients have requested medical exemptions from wearing a mask. Are there any scenarios in which this may be appropriate?
GPs should not advise against wearing masks, as we must consider the vulnerable groups at high risk of catching COVID.
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But itās also important that we reassure patients asking for an exemption that it is vital now for everyone in the community to be dynamic and make short-term sacrifices for long-term community health gain.
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Medico-legally, if the patient catches COVID and weāve given them an exemption, we may be at risk of providing incorrect advice against health authority guidelines. However, we must also understand the patient and try to explore what works for them.
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There may be other reasons why a patient might feel they canāt wear a mask, but whatever it might be, itās important that GPs try to work with the patient to modify the protective clothing or mask for their benefit and the community as a whole.
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Of course, we empathise with the members of our community who may experience anxiety and/or claustrophobia from wearing a mask.
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However, itās also imperative to consider the anxiety experienced by people in our community when we see people who arenāt wearing a mask. Itās a very stressful time for frontline healthcare providers and immunocompromised people particularly.
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We need an attitude shift towards mask-wearing. Wearing a mask should not be connotative of āfearā and āCOVID-19 conspiracyā, but a symbol of compassion and union to keep our communities protected and healthy.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 28 Sep 14:44
My 13yo step-daughter received her vaccine appointment today that is being offered to her.
I had naively thought it would be addressed to the parent. Anyway the vaccine wouldnāt be taking place at the doctors, or at the school (I had assumed it would be the school but are they distancing from it now?) but atā¦the DW Sports unit at the Kingsgateā¦ā¦ffs.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 28 Sep 14:58
So she`s been offered a vaccination at a vaccination centre?
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 28 Sep 15:06
Quote:
Berry, Tue 28 Sep 14:44
My 13yo step-daughter received her vaccine appointment today that is being offered to her.
I had naively thought it would be addressed to the parent. Anyway the vaccine wouldnāt be taking place at the doctors, or at the school (I had assumed it would be the school but are they distancing from it now?) but atā¦the DW Sports unit at the Kingsgateā¦ā¦ffs.
I particularly like the but where it mentions all the health benefits of the vaccine...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 28 Sep 16:14
I have a he leaflet in front of me. 11 pages. Of those 11 pages, the only part selling the benefits is a line that reads "The COVID-19 vaccination will reduce the change of young people catching the COVID-19 disease."
It's also clear that young people should discuss the leaflet with a parent or carer.
Tell a lie - there are three bullet points on a second leaflet for older young people which highlight:
Reduce risk of getting ill
Reduce rates of serious illness
A random statement about spreading COVID.
It then goes onto info on who should NOT receive it and side effects.
Post Edited (Tue 28 Sep 16:20)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 28 Sep 21:26
Berry, with it being the Pfizer vaccine that is being offered, which I think still has to be stored a sub zero temperatures then it probably isn`t practical to have those sort of facilities at every high school.
I don`t think high schools mind being associated with vaccines. My boy got his flu vaccine yesterday and will be getting several other vaccines for TB, etc, as his schooling progresses.
I did notice on the slip he brought home that one of the options that could have been ticked of he didn`t get the flu inoculation was `Parent consented but pupil refused`. With that in mind I suppose it makes sense to address the covid vaccine leaflets to the teenager rather than the parent.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 29 Sep 07:34
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 28 Sep 21:26
Berry, with it being the Pfizer vaccine that is being offered, which I think still has to be stored a sub zero temperatures then it probably isn`t practical to have those sort of facilities at every high school.
I don`t think high schools mind being associated with vaccines. My boy got his flu vaccine yesterday and will be getting several other vaccines for TB, etc, as his schooling progresses.
I did notice on the slip he brought home that one of the options that could have been ticked of he didn`t get the flu inoculation was `Parent consented but pupil refused`. With that in mind I suppose it makes sense to address the covid vaccine leaflets to the teenager rather than the parent.
TOWK do you have kids?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 29 Sep 08:40
I think his message suggests that he does. Unless he purchased a boy on the local slave market.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 29 Sep 09:11
And at a very reasonable price. He`s great for doing all the odd jobs that I just can`t be bothered doing which reminds me I`ll have to get him to clamber up onto the roof to clear out the gutters before the autumn leaves clog then up.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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