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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 31 Jan 17:23
Its back .. any one fancy Wales to beat France tonight ?
These are the pundits predictions .. Horgan looks like he has covered a few variables :-o))
Every BBC pundit has France winning the championship, with only Monye picking Italy over Wales for last place and the dreaded Wooden Spoon.
Tuttiett: 1. France. 2. Ireland. 3. England. 4. Scotland. 5 Italy. 6 Wales.
Monye: 1. France. 2. England. 3. Ireland. 4. Scotland. 5. Wales. 6. Italy.
Beattie: 1. France. 2. Ireland. 3. Scotland. 4. England. 5. Italy. 6. Wales.
Horgan: 1. France. 2. Ireland/Scotland/England. 3. Ireland/Scotland/England. 4. Ireland/Scotland/England. 5. Italy. 6. Wales.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 31 Jan 23:22
France off to a stormer tonight winning 43-0. Caught the first half of the first half their first two tries were sublime. Dupont is a class unto himself.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sat 1 Feb 16:49
Wayhay ...
A win for us .
Love it .
Was touch and go for a while there .
Ireland to win it this year.
France 2nd
Scotland 3rd
Englandshire 4th
Italy 5th
Wales widden spoon
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 1 Feb 19:34
Has that guy stopped singing yet?
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sat 8 Feb 18:34
Hmmmm
Englandshire beat France...
I may have to redo my prediction.
I`ve got it right with Wales though.
Turgid stuff from them today against a spirited Italian side.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 8 Feb 18:39
England won despite Marcus Smith missing two kickable penalties.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 8 Feb 19:23
England won despite France fumbling four stick on tries
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 8 Feb 19:41
Could be a good result for us.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 8 Feb 20:45
Let’s hope we don’t bottle it tomorrow…..win that and we have every chance.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sat 8 Feb 21:50
"bottle it"?
They`re 2nd in the international rankings.
Were 6th.
I can`t see us winning but we certainly won`t bottle it..
If they play to their ability , and we play to our ability ... They should win.
It`s that simple.
However.... If they have an off day .. and we have a good day , we`re in with a chance .
We will have to play significantly better than we did against Italy to be even close to them.
It gives me no pleasure to admit that , but it is what it is.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 8 Feb 21:52
Quote:
widtink, Sat 8 Feb 21:50
"bottle it"?
They`re 2nd in the international rankings.
Were 6th.
I can`t see us winning but we certainly won`t bottle it..
If they play to their ability , and we play to our ability ... They should win.
It`s that simple.
However.... If they have an off day .. and we have a good day , we`re in with a chance .
We will have to play significantly better than we did against Italy to be even close to them.
It gives me no pleasure to admit that , but it is what it is.
Losers mentality. Exactly whats been wrong with our rugby team for years.
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Topic Originator: Aaron Labonte
Date: Sat 8 Feb 22:17
Can’t see anyone taking anything off Ireland this year (other than bonus points).
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 9 Feb 15:52
Maybe if we turned up we would have a chance.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 9 Feb 18:39
Dismantled from 1 to 23 .. :-o((
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 9 Feb 18:56
Only England can now stop the Irish
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Sun 9 Feb 19:06
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 9 Feb 18:56
Only England can now stop the Irish
Ireland beat England last week.
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Sun 9 Feb 19:52
That was a shocking Scotland performance.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 9 Feb 21:44
Hope Darcy is OK .. looked a bad knock to the head
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 10 Feb 04:38
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 9 Feb 15:52
Maybe if we turned up we would have a chance.
Story of a Scotland 6 Nations campaign 🙄 turn up in only half our games. No doubt we will win at Twickenham next!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 11 Feb 10:55
Gatland gone.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 11 Feb 12:24
Welsh structure is a complete mess. He`s best out of there.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 11 Feb 19:01
Even if we were at full strength I still think that we would flatter to deceive.
Probably missing 6/7 from a first pick 23 for the England game.
But it is a chance for others to shine. I would like to see Aaron Reed brought in for Darcy…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 11 Feb 23:47
I`m surprised the H&S dudes have not insisted on head protection in rugby.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Wed 12 Feb 12:33
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 11 Feb 23:47
I`m surprised the H&S dudes have not insisted on head protection in rugby.
Nah - head guards will reduce cuts, grazes and cauliflower ears, but don’t stop concussions or brain trauma.
In fact, head guards were removed from amateur boxing after a period of enforced usage as studies found that wearing head guards actually INCREASED the number of knockouts…
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 12 Feb 13:13
They`ve always been worn in American Football haven`t they? What`s the incidence of concussion there?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 12 Feb 15:23
Because they wear a helmet, they started to lead with their head (probably a false sense of security)…
Still get concussions, but they are so specialist in their roles that they are much bigger, with harder hits.
They limit full contact in training and often wear padded helmets on top of their helmets when training
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 17 Feb 14:39
Calcutta Cup on Saturday down at Twickers
Scotland have won the last 4 games
11-6
20-17
29-23
30-21
Plus the famous 38-38 draw in 2019 when we looked like being dismantled first half
I think England will win big this time .. they are starting to fire .. Hope I`m wrong
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Mon 17 Feb 15:14
I hope you`re wrong too...
But you could be right.
They are playing better than I thought they would.
And we aren`t playing as good as we can .
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 17 Feb 17:05
I expect them to win this one. They will be well up for it. Mind you, if they get exasperated and we keep our cool it could be 5.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 19 Feb 17:53
It all depends on which Scotland team turns up. We are infuriatingly inconsistent and not just game to game but during games too.
If we lose on Saturday I really think Townsend has to go.
He won’t be sacked of course as he is the SRU’s golden boy. He will be offered another position, which is fair enough as I think he has a lot to offer to the game up here.
But I feel it is time for him to hand over the reigns to someone new.
If we win he will be given a stay of execution but it is just delaying the inevitable.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 19 Feb 18:10
Isn`t Townsend the victim of his own success? It doesn`t seem that long ago that Scotland could hardly get the ball over the try-line.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 19 Feb 19:14
I think sometimes we expect too much .. me included
England has 1,900 rugby union clubs. 6,060 referees. 362,319 pre-teen male players. 698,803 teen male players. 121,480 senior male players (total male players 1,182,602)
Scotland has 241 rugby union clubs. 343 referees. 7,556 pre-teen male players. 13,402 teen male players. 10,556 senior male players (total male players 31,514)
When the game was amateur we could hold our own .. probably the 3rd best team in the world back then
Since rugby turned Pro we will always struggle to compete with the big boys
I don`t think we will win on Saturday .. Really hope I`m wrong tho
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 19 Feb 20:11
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 19 Feb 19:14
I think sometimes we expect too much .. me included
England has 1,900 rugby union clubs. 6,060 referees. 362,319 pre-teen male players. 698,803 teen male players. 121,480 senior male players (total male players 1,182,602)
Scotland has 241 rugby union clubs. 343 referees. 7,556 pre-teen male players. 13,402 teen male players. 10,556 senior male players (total male players 31,514)
When the game was amateur we could hold our own .. probably the 3rd best team in the world back then
Since rugby turned Pro we will always struggle to compete with the big boys
I don`t think we will win on Saturday .. Really hope I`m wrong tho
We are currently ranked 7th in the world, which isn`t bad. When you look at the numbers you have shown in your post comparing the numbers involved with england, it`s pretty clear we are punching above our weight
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 19 Feb 21:00
Definitely punching above our weight but we have also just had a golden generation and done heehaw with it
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 20 Feb 00:07
Quote:
P, Wed 19 Feb 21:00
Definitely punching above our weight but we have also just had a golden generation and done heehaw with it
I wouldn`t say that.
As Golden as we can get, it would be tough to beat NZ and SA.
France are always good, and Ireland has been magnificent for years.
Can we ever expect better than 6th.
Maybe 5th was achievable with current opposition but we got pulled back by a tough world cup group when others around us were getting double points for easier games.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 20 Feb 06:50
A lot has been said over the number of foreign players in international squads.
This link gives a breakdown of the percentages in each of the 6 nations` squads.
At first glimpse, it looks bad for us with only 58% home grown. Then we see only 3 are qualified by the residency rule.
The rest are all parents or grandparents.
I`m OK with that.
France is worse with 5 residency.
Italy only has 1, which is a surprise.
Wales and Ireland have 2 each, and England only has 3% born outside England.
https://www.ruck.co.uk/duhan-van-der-merwes-eligibility-for-scotland-questioned-ahead-of-england-clash/2/
Post Edited (Thu 20 Feb 06:50)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Feb 20:07
We have had a very talented squad for years now and have blown every chance we’ve had tbf. Never going to win the 6 Nations if you can’t win your home games, which has always become a cropper for us. Just the usual Scottish mindset of not being good enough, when really we should be pushing to be challenging every year.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 22 Feb 11:17
Under 20s not very inspiring.
We looked tiny v England.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Feb 11:31
Cery strong line up for today, but we need to be on it from the first minute to the last and need some magic from Russell, Jones and Duhan I think.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 22 Feb 11:44
Correct PARrot some of the English under 20`s were huge !!
Could not fault the Scots Laddie`s effort .. they were just outmuscled
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 22 Feb 11:51
Most of the pundits have written Scotland off Dave 1885
Could play into our hands if England get too cocky
I will not watch it as I will be at EEP ..
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Feb 12:04
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 22 Feb 11:51
Most of the pundits have written Scotland off Dave 1885
Could play into our hands if England get too cocky
I will not watch it as I will be at EEP ..
Theyve been writing us off against them for the last 5 years lol the fact is England aren’t as good as they think they are.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sat 22 Feb 16:49
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 22 Feb 11:51
Most of the pundits have written Scotland off Dave 1885
Could play into our hands if England get too cocky
I will not watch it as I will be at EEP ..
Try for Scotland after 3 1/2 mins
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Feb 17:10
Scotland been very good so far
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 22 Feb 18:23
England easing ahead as the game enters its final stages. England were probably there for the taking but it`s been an engaging encounter.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Feb 18:26
Not clinical enough and now losing our heads. Only going one way now.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 22 Feb 18:39
Finn not having a good tournament at all. Misses have cost us today
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Feb 18:46
Think it’s time for Gregor to go. We have stalled now and not improving in terms of getting results. Losing to that England side is a bad result, they looked very poor.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 22 Feb 19:13
Missed the first twenty mins or so by being at EEP watching an infuriating performance by the Pars. Then proceeded to watch an infuriating performance by Scotland.
The commentators were waxing lyrical about the boys in blue, but they had not converted possession into enough points and if I was a betting man I would have put a wedge on England to win at HT.
Second half I counted nine times we lost the ball and we also conceded nine penalties in the SH alone…that’s was cost us the game.
Could DVM tried to get closer to the posts before he touched it down? It also seemed as if Russell hurried the conversion as the camera man almost missed it……very unlike FR to miss so many kicks at goal. The pitch was very slippy so I am assuming that was maybe a factor.
Townsend has had his time……
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 22 Feb 19:23
There`s a lack of logic there, surely, saying we lost the game because Russell missed three conversions and DVM should have touched down nearer the posts, then calling for the manager`s head?. Isn`t that the only game we`ve lost at Twickenham under his management? This is the most exciting Scotland team I`ve seen and by a long way.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Feb 19:55
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 22 Feb 19:23
There`s a lack of logic there, surely, saying we lost the game because Russell missed three conversions and DVM should have touched down nearer the posts, then calling for the manager`s head?. Isn`t that the only game we`ve lost at Twickenham under his management? This is the most exciting Scotland team I`ve seen and by a long way.
Its not exciting when its predictable in terms of end results. The last 2/3 6 Nations we should have been going into them thinking we could seriously challenge and it’s been over after 3 games every time.
You need to change when progress stalls, or you start going backwards. GT has taken us to better heights, but his times up now.
And Duhan couldn’t get closer, 3 English men in a line between him and posts, Finns place kicking was poor today, bring back Paterson and Laidlaw!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 22 Feb 20:05
I didn`t see the first two missed conversions but by all accounts they were well within Finn`s usual capability. If he nails one from three we win the match and everyone`s happy. And how was it not a penalty when Itoje bent over that ruck with his feet in the air and killed the ball? It`s easy to say changing the coach will improve things but it doesn`t always work.
The stats
FT: England 16-15 Scotland
Scotland had 59% of territory and 58% possession.
Outscored England three tries to one
Carried 936m to 474m
Gained 521m to 323m
Made nine line breaks to two
Beat 35 defenders to 10
Made 247 passes to 99
Was that a snatch and grab by England?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Feb 20:14
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 22 Feb 20:05
I didn`t see the first two missed conversions but by all accounts they were well within Finn`s usual capability. If he nails one from three we win the match and everyone`s happy. And how was it not a penalty when Itoje bent over that ruck with his feet in the air and killed the ball? It`s easy to say changing the coach will improve things but it doesn`t always work.
The stats
FT: England 16-15 Scotland
Scotland had 59% of territory and 58% possession.
Outscored England three tries to one
Carried 936m to 474m
Gained 521m to 323m
Made nine line breaks to two
Beat 35 defenders to 10
Made 247 passes to 99
Was that a snatch and grab by England?
It was, but at the end of the day we lost, and have now lost 2 of our 3 games so far this campaign. Including against a lacklustre England.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 22 Feb 20:34
What makes you think changing the coach would help?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Feb 20:39
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 22 Feb 20:34
What makes you think changing the coach would help?
It might not, but doing the same thing over and over again with no change clearly isn’t.
Another frustration is our constant lack of discipline. Every game we are always on edge of yellows or getting them. We got lucky with the head on head that the refs were lenient.
Post Edited (Sat 22 Feb 20:40)
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sat 22 Feb 21:15
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 22 Feb 20:34
What makes you think changing the coach would help?
By crikey I wish you worked for me, you’re unwavering commitment to ‘management knows best’ in all scenarios is unsurpassable 👏👏👏
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 22 Feb 21:18
Scotland Golden generation is going to end with up just under the big boys. What could have been
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 22 Feb 21:38
Townsend`s win ratio as Scotland coach is 57%. In the last 50 years only Ian McGeechan has bettered that and his was 57.58%.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 22 Feb 21:56
Okay .. since I started this thread here are my own personal thoughts
We were superb today .. showed England up for what they are .. But and it is a big But .. for all our possession .. our time in the 22 .. we have a problem in getting the ball over the line .. for years now
Every man gave his all today ..
Will never blame anyone for that performance
Fair credit to England .. they dug in and sneaked a win like the last game against France
Signs of a good team
Post Edited (Sat 22 Feb 22:02)
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 22 Feb 22:37
Wee Eck misses the very stat that cost us the game…..penalties conceded. It seems that every game we concede more than the opposition. Getting turned over and losing possession in the oppositions 22 waaay too often.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Feb 23:11
England made 1 error today and that was going for the points when Scotland got their final warning - had they gone for line out and won it, Scotland 100% would’ve gone down to 14 or conceded a try.
Wee Eck seems to have that typical “we are alright jock” attitude of thinking we are doing well by just competing. This side should have come much closer to a 6 Nations trophy than they have - something we have never won.
Townsend has one good thing to his name - winning Calcutta Cups. The rest is just typical meh from Scotland.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 22 Feb 23:37
`Just competing`? Which team provided the entertainment? I remember when Scotland teams were `just competing`. They huffed and puffed and were lucky if they scored one try per game.
Aye, sack the coach, that always works. A lot of the England fans are saying the same about their coach.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 23 Feb 00:02
Quote:
desparado, Sat 22 Feb 22:37
Wee Eck misses the very stat that cost us the game…..penalties conceded. It seems that every game we concede more than the opposition. Getting turned over and losing possession in the oppositions 22 waaay too often.
Exactly this.
Canny blame the gaffer for conceding penalties and missing kicks.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Feb 00:07
I thought they were blaming the gaffer. They want him sacked!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 23 Feb 00:08
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 23 Feb 00:02
Quote:
desparado, Sat 22 Feb 22:37
Wee Eck misses the very stat that cost us the game…..penalties conceded. It seems that every game we concede more than the opposition. Getting turned over and losing possession in the oppositions 22 waaay too often.
Exactly this.
Canny blame the gaffer for conceding penalties and missing kicks.
Course you can blame the coach for teams conceding penalties when its been a common trend for years 😂
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 23 Feb 00:09
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 22 Feb 23:37
`Just competing`? Which team provided the entertainment? I remember when Scotland teams were `just competing`. They huffed and puffed and were lucky if they scored one try per game.
Aye, sack the coach, that always works. A lot of the England fans are saying the same about their coach.
Great, we entertained for 80 minutes, did we win the match?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Feb 00:33
We did more than `just compete` which is what you said. It`s funny because on the Football Forum a lot of posters are complaining at the lack of entertainment at EEP.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 23 Feb 02:36
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 23 Feb 00:09
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 22 Feb 23:37
`Just competing`? Which team provided the entertainment? I remember when Scotland teams were `just competing`. They huffed and puffed and were lucky if they scored one try per game.
Aye, sack the coach, that always works. A lot of the England fans are saying the same about their coach.
Great, we entertained for 80 minutes, did we win the match?
There is a limit to how entitled you can be, surely?
We lost by a point away from home to one of the most heavily funded rugby teams in the world, after humping them 4 times in a row and drawing spectacularly in what has been hailed as one of the best matches in history.
Aye, feckit, we lost.
Frigging dotnet mentality.
Sack the board.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 23 Feb 08:22
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 23 Feb 02:36
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 23 Feb 00:09
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 22 Feb 23:37
`Just competing`? Which team provided the entertainment? I remember when Scotland teams were `just competing`. They huffed and puffed and were lucky if they scored one try per game.
Aye, sack the coach, that always works. A lot of the England fans are saying the same about their coach.
Great, we entertained for 80 minutes, did we win the match?
There is a limit to how entitled you can be, surely?
We lost by a point away from home to one of the most heavily funded rugby teams in the world, after humping them 4 times in a row and drawing spectacularly in what has been hailed as one of the best matches in history.
Aye, feckit, we lost.
Frigging dotnet mentality.
Sack the board.
And it’s this exact mentality why we will never win the 6 Nations. Claiming folk wanting us to be ambitious as entitled 🤦🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 23 Feb 08:25
Sorry, lads. Just can’t get excited about rugby. Granted, I wasn’t excited at east end, but at least I care about them.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Feb 09:51
Thanks for your input, Raymie!😊😊😊
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 23 Feb 10:33
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 23 Feb 09:51
Thanks for your input, Raymie!😊😊😊
You are welcome.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 23 Feb 11:46
Entitled 😂
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 23 Feb 15:06
The co commentator on Radio Scotland was very scathing about some of the Ref`s decisions, don`t know how it was, possibly an ex player!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 23 Feb 15:06
Duplicate
Post Edited (Sun 23 Feb 15:06)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Feb 15:59
It was probably Peter Wright, ex-Scotland prop, who always criticises refs to the point that it`s an ongoing joke amongst the commentary team, including him.
There seem to be so many subjective areas in interpreting the Laws of Rugby, particularly around the scrum and the breakdown, that refereeing decisions can become a bit of a lottery. You often hear pundits and commentators saying how important it is for the teams to get on the right side of the ref in these critical aspects of play.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 23 Feb 16:17
Peter Wright`s efforts reminds me of listening to the know it all down the pub. He can`t help himself and there`s been more than one time when his brain eventually catches up with his mouth and he admits that he might not have got it right.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Sun 23 Feb 16:26
Based on his kicking yesterday it’s clear that when the chips are down Finn Russell couldn’t kick a giraffe to death still is it not about time for him throwing his toys out the pram again?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Feb 17:02
What a horrible metaphor!
I didn`t think he had a history of missing crucial kicks which made his performance yesterday all the more surprising.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Sun 23 Feb 19:13
Don’t worry about it I’m not but thanks for your input just the same
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 23 Feb 20:53
It`s not just a horrible metaphor. It`s a rubbish one....who could kick a giraffe to death? No one.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Feb 23:58
Footage has now emerged of the ref telling Russell to move the ball nearer the touchline than was appropriate before that final conversion attempt. The England captain is also in the vicinity apparently voicing his opinion. It was picked up by one of the pundits, Jamie Roberts.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 24 Feb 08:21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/videos/cvg15n2g7wpo
You are right wee eck .. when you see where the try was scored and where the kick is taken from there is about 2 yards difference .. Shame van den merwe could not have stepped a wee bit closer to the posts .. I also don`t think Englands try was a try .. ach weel
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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You are right wee eck .. when you see where the try was scored and where the kick is taken from there is about 2 yards difference .. Shame van den merwe could not have stepped a wee bit closer to the posts .. I also don`t think Englands try was a try .. ach weel
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 24 Feb 08:55
There`s a good analysis on BBC Sport, mostly by John Barclay, of where Scotland went wrong. They highlighted how many times they got near England`s line without scoring points. They also thought DVM should have tried to ground the ball nearer the posts.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 24 Feb 09:15
I saw that 22 analysis wee eck
I`m sure before half time the 22 visit stats were
England 7 points
Scotland 1.7 points
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 24 Feb 21:24
I just saw that, Bpp. There seems to be a lot of questions over the refereeing of the match and the use of the TMO. Both teams have complaints but it`ll all be forgotten about I expect.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 25 Feb 11:24
Was watching some analysis of the game last night and yes there were a few contentious decisions went against us but as I said further up VDM should have tried to get nearer the posts.
The pundits said the same thing. He could have got closer. The look on his face when he touched down showed that he realised this. That’s where the game was lost….right there.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 25 Feb 11:48
That`s a bit like saying if the Pars had 6 chances to score the winning goal in a match and missed them all the player who missed the last chance was the one who cost us the win. We had numerous chances to score points which we missed before DVM`s try.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 26 Feb 19:18
Yeah but there was still time to make amends for the previous missed opportunities. Scotland could have taken one of those earlier chances and still lost the game.
Russell slots that last kick and Scotland win…so by missing it we lost the match…. Right there..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Thu 27 Feb 00:23
Quote:
red-star-par, Sun 23 Feb 20:53
It`s not just a horrible metaphor. It`s a rubbish one....who could kick a giraffe to death? No one.
Jack Jarvis did in Kenya once. Some laugh so it was 😂
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 8 Mar 18:37
Absolutely shocking 2nd half from Scotland.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 8 Mar 19:19
Topic Originator: Andrew283 like
Date: Sat 8 Mar 18:37
Absolutely shocking 2nd half from Scotland.
Yip and it’s not as if it was a one off. Every game Scotland seem to switch off for large spells. They done exactly the same down in Wales last year. Do that next week in Paris and instead of losing they will get gubbed.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 8 Mar 19:36
Wales deserved at least a draw .. they had a try denied because their excellent full back jumped over his tackler to avoid the tackle which apparently is against the rugby law
Now then Mrs. would you rather be flattened in the tackle or take evasive action to avoid being hurt ? .. So why is jumping over a potential sore body not allowed
Ive played .. run the line .. watched .. but never ever knew that daft law existed
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 8 Mar 20:00
Time for Townsend to go I think. Golden generation wasted
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 8 Mar 20:07
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Buspasspar, Sat 8 Mar 19:36
Wales deserved at least a draw .. they had a try denied because their excellent full back jumped over his tackler to avoid the tackle which apparently is against the rugby law
Now then Mrs. would you rather be flattened in the tackle or take evasive action to avoid being hurt ? .. So why is jumping over a potential sore body not allowed
Ive played .. run the line .. watched .. but never ever knew that daft law existed
Id imagine its to avoid a knee to the head of the would he tackler. It’s slightly different from American football where the tackler has a helmet on.
Really poor 2nd half from us again, and whats more frustrating is knowing that had Finn kicked that final conversion v England wed have been going to France where a win would see us in with a chance of winning it…….
Townsends time has ran its course I think.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 8 Mar 20:52
Yeah, sack the coach, that always works.
Some delightful touches from Finn Russell in the highlights I saw and he seems to have found his kicking boots again.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 8 Mar 23:13
You only watched the highlights...
Under Townsend we have a huge mentality problem. 0 bottle
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 9 Mar 00:45
I saw the last 20 minutes when I got home from Falkirk. It seems to me we have a decent squad of players but insufficient depth to keep up the high standard of the starting XV when the subs come on, especially when we have a few players unavailable through injury. I don`t think you can lay that at Townsend`s door. We`ve always had a pretty shallow pool of players to choose from, even after taking advantage of the residence rules.
Scotland have come on a ton in the last few years and tries are almost guaranteed now. Not so long ago we could hardly get over the line.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 9 Mar 09:14
Imagine seeing the last 20 minutes and using that to advocate for him to stay in the job 🤦🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 9 Mar 09:43
So somebody çriticises me for watching the highlights and somebody else for only watching the last 20 minutes. I`ve seen a lot more of Scotland than this match and they`re the most exciting team we`ve had in years.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sun 9 Mar 18:33
I don`t see the problem.
Alright we took our foot off the gas.... But we won.
It`s the Scotland way.
That`s what we do 🤣
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Sun 9 Mar 21:40
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 8 Mar 19:36
Wales deserved at least a draw .. they had a try denied because their excellent full back jumped over his tackler to avoid the tackle which apparently is against the rugby law
Now then Mrs. would you rather be flattened in the tackle or take evasive action to avoid being hurt ? .. So why is jumping over a potential sore body not allowed
Ive played .. run the line .. watched .. but never ever knew that daft law existed
That’s been a law for many, many years. I remember and Argentinian player scoring a try that way around the eighties and I think the rule changed after that. As said, it’s a safety concern to prevent the tackler getting a boot in the head. It was a lovely move by the Welsh full back though.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 10 Mar 17:10
It was frustrating that we let them back in. Especially the final try.
However, we were very close to several more scores. We were by far the better side.
No shoogley peg for the manager yet, but isn`t it interesting that the same posters that are always shouting for the Pars managers to be sacked are doing the same here.
TF I don`t have to live with them.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Mon 10 Mar 17:34
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 10 Mar 17:10
However, we were very close to several more scores. We were by far the better side.
Except we kept trying to force through the middle, even after the defence had set.
Couldn’t get through against England, nor Ireland, but persisted against Wales.
We look great when we are pinging the ball out wide to runners, but we get sucked in to the grind and eventually make a mistake or have the ball held up (twice).
Guaranteed we will try the same against France and get nothing at all through the middle.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 10 Mar 17:47
Some commentators thought if Russell had still been on the pitch he would have been more likely to opt to go wide. Apparently he asked to be subbed as he was cramping up.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 10 Mar 18:10
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Mon 10 Mar 17:34
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 10 Mar 17:10
However, we were very close to several more scores. We were by far the better side.
Except we kept trying to force through the middle, even after the defence had set.
Couldn’t get through against England, nor Ireland, but persisted against Wales.
We look great when we are pinging the ball out wide to runners, but we get sucked in to the grind and eventually make a mistake or have the ball held up (twice).
Guaranteed we will try the same against France and get nothing at all through the middle.
Our backs are an incredible threat, was strange them not going wider more when in the 22.
Parrot - people are allowed to voice their opinions on any matter, just because they believe both Scotland and the Pars are underperforming at the same time doesn’t mean they cant then call for change at the same time.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 10 Mar 18:16
Good Post Lux
The number of times we lose the ball when trying to force through the middle or try the maul .. I think is just down to the fact that we don`t have the power/size/weight .. we are very dangerous when we run from deep but don`t quite have the grunt required to take on the big boys
dd23
Thanks for that info .. I never knew that .. Also that is the first time I have seen it given in any game over the last 60 + years
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 15 Mar 21:03
France v Scotland; 3 points behind at the break after a couple of contentious decisions go against us. At the disallowed try the touch judge was right on the spot and was happy Kinghorn wasn`t in touch but was overruled by the TMO!
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Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle
Date: Sat 15 Mar 21:08
I don`t watch much rugby so what`s the rule for out of play? Looked like his elbow was hanging over the line.
Is it simply a case of any part of the body on/over the line is out of play?
Post Edited (Sat 15 Mar 21:08)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 15 Mar 21:18
Not sure, LT, but none of the commentary team even questioned it until the late TMO call.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 15 Mar 21:20
Quote:
Ladswell_Thistle, Sat 15 Mar 21:08
I don`t watch much rugby so what`s the rule for out of play? Looked like his elbow was hanging over the line.
Is it simply a case of any part of the body on/over the line is out of play?
Anything overhanging the line is fine. Anything touching the line you are out.
The rule changed on the flag post years ago too, where it used to be if you touched that you were out, whereas now it’s not.
Think if you are batting a ball back in from a kick as well you must start infield when you jump and be airborne when you hit it back in, like cricket.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Sat 15 Mar 22:45
Somebody`s going to have to explain to me how a flying off the ball headbutt isn`t a red.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 15 Mar 22:53
Yeah, that was another weird one. The game had actually stopped and the Scottish player was lying on the ground without the ball! Like football when VAR is operating, rugby refs just seem to leave the contentious decisions to the TMO.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 15 Mar 23:27
Quote:
Bandy, Sat 15 Mar 22:45
Somebody`s going to have to explain to me how a flying off the ball headbutt isn`t a red.
Because it was against France……had that been White headbutting the French lad it would 100% have been a red.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 15 Mar 23:42
Didn’t see the game but it sounds like we were victims of a couple of contentious decisions….again..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Sun 16 Mar 01:20
Quote:
desparado, Sat 15 Mar 23:42
Didn’t see the game but it sounds like we were victims of a couple of contentious decisions….again..
The touch judge was right on top of Kinghorn and can be seen from two angles shaking his head to indicate that Kinghorn hadn’t touched the line.
Strange that there was no discussion or replays at the time - which usually happens.
When we finally saw the replays during h/t, Kinghorn’s elbow might have brushed the line, but it sure wasn’t “clear and obvious’.
The headbut could ONLY have been a red - how the buggery is an off the ball, deliberate head first lunge onto the face of a guy lying flat on his back anything else?
There were a number of dubious decisions that all went France’s way.
Also - as I mentioned after Wales match, we spent a significant amount of time trying to force through the middle after the defence was set - without any success AGAIN.
Although - I didn’t want England to sneak the championship win, so I’m ok with France winning.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 16 Mar 02:03
Is it coincidence that the refereeing decisions tend to favour the countries with the big TV audiences? That was the case with our games against England and France and last season we were denied a winning try by the TMO in the game at Murrayfield against France.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 16 Mar 08:19
Sheesh that was a long day
England with all the power
Italy unlucky if only they can keep 15 men on at the pitch
Scotland played well ..
France deserved the title
There`s always next year
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 16 Mar 08:58
Apparently the flying headbutt from a 20 stone forward on a guy on the ground didn’t represent a ‘high degree of danger’. Incroyable.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 16 Mar 09:03
Yes T A .. Should have been a straight red
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Thu 20 Mar 12:57
I see he is being cited for the head but - fat load of good that does us, it’s his club that will be punished by his eventual ban.
I hope the Ref and TMO are cited too.
English ref obviously bottled it, referring to TMO, and they definitely bottled sending off a Frenchman in Paris, possibly giving England the title - can you imagine the abuse they would have got?
French conspiracy accusations etc
Begs the question as to why the authorities would put a ref in that position.
It was clear for some time that a Scotland win would likely result in an England title - why would they put an Englishman there?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Mar 14:33
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Thu 20 Mar 12:57
I see he is being cited for the head but - fat load of good that does us, it’s his club that will be punished by his eventual ban.
I hope the Ref and TMO are cited too.
English ref obviously bottled it, referring to TMO, and they definitely bottled sending off a Frenchman in Paris, possibly giving England the title - can you imagine the abuse they would have got?
French conspiracy accusations etc
Begs the question as to why the authorities would put a ref in that position.
It was clear for some time that a Scotland win would likely result in an England title - why would they put an Englishman there?
I don’t you can claim bias on rugby refs in terms of their own country, more so incompetence that favours the bigger nations. Surely as an English ref if he was bias he would’ve sent him off so Scotland had more chance of winning?
The biggest ref blunder of Scotlands tournament was the decision to move Russells kick. Catching up on Stick To Rugby last night and they said these are the exact things TMOs are meant to be in place for. Telling the ref he has got something wrong that could effect the outcome of the game. But then again that wouldn’t be helpful for the bug team.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Thu 20 Mar 17:10
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 20 Mar 14:33
I don’t you can claim bias on rugby refs in terms of their own country, more so incompetence that favours the bigger nations. Surely as an English ref if he was bias he would’ve sent him off so Scotland had more chance of winning?
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I wasn’t claiming bias, exactly the opposite - I said that he bottled the decision, possibly aware that we would be accused of bias if he favoured us, benefitting England.
I was also questioning the judgement of the decision to allocate an English ref to this fixture - any contentious decision for us would be met with accusations of bias by the frogs.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Mar 17:27
Ok, fair enough. Ive never thought of that towards rugby refs, but theres certainly some ineptitude within the ranks. Will always remember the disgrace at the World Cup v the Aussies where the ref gave the last min pen that should never have been. We always seems to be on the wrong end of decisions in big games too.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 21 Mar 15:38
I see Mauvaka has been handed a three-match ban after being cited for head-butting Ben White. The standard punishment was a six-match ban but it was halved because he admitted foul play, showed remorse and had a previous clean record. That`s fine but it`s little consolation to Scotland.
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