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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 13 May 08:11
It`s perhaps not surprising, but it`s definitely disappointing to see the Labour Government embracing Tory idealogy on immigration. Certainly, the numbers arriving according to government sources will have alarmed those who believe Britain is first and foremost for Brits, which is understandable but a bit myopic.
Every country needs a workforce prepared to carry out a variety of jobs. The problem we have here is that employers find it difficult, if not nigh on impossible, to recruit in low paid and temporary or seasonal jobs. The policy announced by Keir Starmer yesterday effectively restricts UK entry to university graduates. Anyone hoping to come here to work on farms, in care homes, and hospitality can forget it. Similarly, for those coming over for a few months to pick fruit or improve their English.
Some of us will remember Suella (or was it Cruella?) Braverman telling us the British public would "step up to the plate" and fill these jobs. Well, they clearly didn`t.
Is there any evidence to suggest that these jobs will be filled now under this new government?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Tue 13 May 10:41
Quote:
GG Riva, Tue 13 May 08:11
Is there any evidence to suggest that these jobs will be filled now under this new government?
Next announcement is that the scrounging OAP’s and disabled people that are claiming benefits will be ‘encouraged’ to take these jobs to replace their winter allowance and disabled living allowance that is getting removed.
To paraphrase Kevin Bridges
- paralysed from the neck down? We don’t give a #### mate, there will be a farmer out there needing a scarecrow…
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 13 May 10:46
The opening two paragraphs of John Crace`s sketch in the Guardian this morning sums it up nicely -
`You know how it is. You get on the 87 at the Vauxhall depot and you suddenly realise you know no one on the bus. Time was when everyone in the queue would have been best mates. Off for pie, mash and jellied eels together before a knees-up down the Old Bull and Bush. Worse still, some people may not even be talking English. We didn’t beat the Hun in two world wars to hear German spoken on public transport.
Then there are all those Polish supermarkets. Who asked them to come over here, pay their taxes and business rates and set up on the high street? They don’t even have the grace to relabel their produce in English. And why can’t they sell something quintessentially British? Like Lurpak. What do you mean, that’s Danish? Butter was invented by the Brits.`
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 13 May 10:58
Little Englander philosophy!🤬
If this had been implemented years ago then England wouldn`t have had a decent football team!
I no longer recognise the Labour Party🤔
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 13 May 11:42
Met migration to the UK was 720 thousand last year. The year before a tad over 900 thousand. Unless within those numbers are the appropriate number of doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, refuse workers, law enforcement, etc that the city the size of Glasgow/Liverpool would require then I don`t see how those numbers can be sustainable without the collapse of public services as we know them.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 13 May 12:03
Aren`t most of them needed to keep said public services operating? That`s the conundrum isn`t it?
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 13 May 14:29
will rules apply to the millionaires coming to the EPL or only the boat people?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 13 May 14:30
When you look at who is doing the work, the cleaners at the train station, the porters in the hospital, the delivery drivers, the carers looking after the elderly relatives we can`t be bothered with, then new migrants to the country are essential. Thats without taking into consideration the highly skilled surgeons, doctors, nurses etc.
The unskilled people who claim that they are coming over here stealing our jobs don`t seem to realise that we need the migrants to do this as they are too lazy/ useless/ unmotivated to do the jobs themselves.
Ask yourself, when you see some of the people mooching about Dunfermline, would you want them going into your grannies house to wipe her erse, or would they be better locked after by the nice lady from Africa who actually does care?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 13 May 17:48
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 13 May 11:42
Net migration to the UK was 720 thousand last year. The year before a tad over 900 thousand. Unless within those numbers are the appropriate number of doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, refuse workers, law enforcement, etc that the city the size of Glasgow/Liverpool would require then I don`t see how those numbers can be sustainable without the collapse of public services as we know them.
It pains me to point out that you are the only poster on this thread who appears to be defending the government`s stance. While I agree that something needs to be done to reduce immigration (assuming those figures are accurate), why not adopt a strategy that allows people in to fill vacancies where they exist, rather than limit entry to university graduates?
My father arrived in Scotland alone to work on a farm in 1958. He was planning to save enough money to buy a bigger house for his wife and 3 kids as the one we lived in was ridiculously small - a single room. Before he could come over, the farmer had to provide a guarantee of employment and accommodation. He worked as a dairyman from 3 am until 5 pm, with 30 mins for breakfast and an hour for lunch. So pleased was the farmer with his strong work ethic that he eventually convinced him to bring his family over, knowing full well that he would only stay on if he put down roots. And so the farmer carried out all the arrangements for us to emigrate to Scotland, where we have been educated and integrated, worked, paid taxes and contributed to the country`s economy.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 13 May 18:32
Remove all non Brits from the country and see what happens……country wont last a day before things closing down and stopping. Then let them moan about it…..
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 13 May 18:56
GG, I don`t think anything necessarily suggests I support the government stance but as you yourself admit something needs to be done. I got my figures from the ONS website. If I`ve misread their report then my apologies.
It`s a great story of how your father worked so hard to build a new life for himself and his family and if the government want to bring in laws and regulations that require employers to do all the things that the farmer did for your father then I could get right behind that. However look at the hard time Labour government got after requiring employers to may a little bit extra national insurance. Now imagine the uproar if they mandated employers to provide and arrange accommodation for their workers.
My point still stands though, in the 1950s, as best as I can find out, migration to the UK was well under 100 thousand per year. At that rate schools, GP surgeries, and housing could cope with the gradual increase over the years. Over 1.5 million in two years isn`t sustainable.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 13 May 19:08
I wasn`t having a pop at you at all, TOWK. I know you`re one of the good guys. 😁 You`re original post appeared to justify Starmer`s strategy on the grounds that immigrant numbers are unsustainable and something needs to be done. I`ve no issues with that but I disagree with the parameters he`s using. We need a mix of skilled and unskilled workers and unfortunately, it`s obvious we can`t rely on the native population for either, especially the latter.
I wasn`t disputing your immigration figures either, just not completely blindly trusting the information we`re fed by main stream media and our political leaders ever since the Covid shambles.... 🙄
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Tue 13 May 19:09)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 13 May 19:15
The singularity doesn`t mean he`s wrong GG. I agree with the positioning that these levels are completely unsustainable.
I think that the main issues are
- the total position has been incredibly poorly communicated
- we`ve talked tough on immigration for years and delivered absolutely shockingly against the crap that`s been committed.
- stopping the boats and illegal immigration has focus folk on completely the wrong stuff.
- we haven`t invested in training our own citizens. And charge them a fortune if they want to train to their full potential.
- we have large parts of the UK population that have helped the UK build lots of positive stuff over decades, and the way this has been messaged doesn`t strongly enough value those strengths.
- The clown on newscast podcast asking Cooper questions was a complete embarrassment to journalism.
- Our infrastructure hasn`t kept up with the population increase.
- We have millions unable to get a job. And we have millions who have entered the country in recent years who have jobs.
I think this needs fundamental change, but the current government do not appear to have a robust plan. The last lot didn`t either. And Reform definitely isn`t the answer.
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