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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 1 Apr 22:09
For us space nerds it’s -0:14:18 mins til Artemis II lifts off for its journey to the moon. It won’t be landing on the moon but orbiting it and will be breaking the distance travelled record.
You can watch it live on BBC News from 11:24pm our time and also on NASA’s you tube channel.
🌙 🚀
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Wed 01 Apr 23:10)
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 1 Apr 22:27
Why they have a manned space flight and not even land on the moon is bizarre.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 1 Apr 22:43
Quote:
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe like
Date: Wed 1 Apr 22:27
Why they have a manned space flight and not even land on the moon is bizarre.
Apollo 8 orbited without landing.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 1 Apr 22:50
If you read about, it you’ll understand why. It’s been 50 years since NASA has sent a spacecraft into orbit so it needs to navigate this first before further test flights can be conducted.
From NASA ~ This mission is to lay the ground for a lunar landing by astronauts in the Artemis IV mission, planned for 2028.
Ahead of that, Nasa plans another crewed test mission, Artemis III, in 2027, to rehearse Orion`s rendezvous and docking with one or more lunar landers and to try out the new spacesuits if they are ready in time.
Nasa has picked two rival commercial landers for Artemis: SpaceX`s Starship and a craft designed by Jeff Bezos`s company Blue Origin, and will decide closer to the time which vehicles fly which missions.
When Artemis IV finally flies, the astronauts will be heading to the Moon`s south pole.
After this, the aim is to have another landing later in 2028 with the Artemis V mission, to build up the capability for a sustained human presence on the Moon.”
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 1 Apr 23:43
Some absolutely phenomenal stats after launch......10000 mph after 5 minutes........15000 mph after 7 minutes.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 1 Apr 23:47
It’s amazing eh? I love learning about it all.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 1 Apr 23:49
I can understand why some will feel like "why?" but I find utterly fascinating.
Fingers crossed it all goes to plan and they return safely.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 2 Apr 00:00
Iran’s hypersonic missiles can exceed 15,000 mph.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 2 Apr 00:16
Are there 4 folk sat on top of them?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Thu 02 Apr 00:16)
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 2 Apr 00:38
Quote:
OzPar, Thu 2 Apr 00:00
Iran’s hypersonic missiles can exceed 15,000 mph.
Wrong.
They go at up to Mach15 which is 11500 mph.
Or 18500km/h
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 2 Apr 08:13
I was at the final Shuttle launch and it was incredible. The feel of the rumble of those solid rocket boosters that vaporised the clouds that day was amazing as the ground was shaking. I can only imagine was it was like yesterday.
The feeling of touch and go that day due to the rains that disappeared just before the launch made it even more special.
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Topic Originator: Aaron Labonte
Date: Thu 2 Apr 11:24
Classic Oz.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Thu 2 Apr 12:39
I think NASA used to be terribly cautious, particularly with the Apollo program, presumably after the Apollo 1 tragedy.
So Apollo 7 was "merely" a manned earth orbit.
Apollo 8 went round the moon with Tom Hanks as command module pilot - they were there at Christmas which seemed a big deal. Less than a month later the Pars would play West Brom, for context.
I think Apollo 9 was just another earth orbit to test the manoeuvrability of the Lunar Module, Apollo 10 got close to the moon`s surface, before the eventual moon landing with Apollo 11.
Then it got a bit boring, although Tom Hanks (him again) perked things up with his "Houston, we have a problem" moment. I love that film.
This all takes me back - to the days when the Cape was Cape Kennedy, and Mission Control was at Houston which I imagined was nearby (why, I don`t know). My neighbour came back from Shetland with an American accent because he`d spent so long watching the TV coverage.
I was also confused by a Top Cat cartoon when he talked about "Cape Canaveral" - it seemed so old fashioned. (Also confusing was the cartoon being called "Boss Cat".)
All these 60s memories get quite jumbled.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 2 Apr 13:40
Top Cat/Boss Cat caused a good few arguments!
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 2 Apr 16:34
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Thu 2 Apr 13:40
Top Cat/Boss Cat caused a good few arguments!
Yeah didn’t even notice it at the time. Apparently Top Cat was a known food brand in the UK so they couldn’t use it.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 2 Apr 17:47
Saw a launch from Cape Canaveral on a cruise ship a couple years ago and it was quite impressive, didn’t quite get to film it as my son nearly knocked over my cocktail and I had to prioritise
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 2 Apr 21:27
Massive waste of some great minds, time and money.
Does anyone actually believe that people have been to the moon?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 2 Apr 22:00
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 2 Apr 21:27
Massive waste of some great minds, time and money.
Does anyone actually believe that people have been to the moon?
Stop talking out uranus.
🤭
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Thu 2 Apr 22:03
Quote:
buffy, Thu 2 Apr 22:00
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 2 Apr 21:27
Massive waste of some great minds, time and money.
Does anyone actually believe that people have been to the moon?
Stop talking out uranus.
🤭
😄😄
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Thu 2 Apr 22:05
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 2 Apr 21:27
Massive waste of some great minds, time and money.
Does anyone actually believe that people have been to the moon?
Stop being a Venus. Course they have 😁
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 2 Apr 22:06
Do some people actually believe it? I mean, intelligent people
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Thu 2 Apr 22:08
Yer being a bit of a Marshole squire
I`ve got 3 highers BTW 😁
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 2 Apr 22:15
Quite excited to see how it all goes but a bit difficult to keep track with the time difference.
I would be curious to know a bit more about the manufacture and testing of the vehicles as the missions were more frequent back in the 60s/70s but obviously production capabilities have changed a lot, vehicles are a lot more advanced and testing is a lot more rigorous these days. Likely this is a factor in how frequent missions can be, but I would have thought that the private sector being involved more in the design might have sped that up a bit.
Very curious to see more about how the Lunar base will come together too and I would assume that it would be intended as a preparation for a Martian mission.
Funnily enough, quite a common line I`ve heard from Mainland Chinese here in Hong Kong is that America never went to the Moon and that China proved it. Funny thing is that the opposite is true: the Chang`e missions took high resolution pictures of the sites which showed the landing sites. One of my bosses pulled it out the other day and reałly struggled to not laugh in the guy`s face!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 2 Apr 22:27
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 2 Apr 21:27
Massive waste of some great minds, time and money.
Does anyone actually believe that people have been to the moon?
They do, all this pomp and ceremony to "go round the moon" when apparently decades ago we were playing buggy races on it.
How did tech regress so much between then and now?
Seriously,what utter nonsense.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 2 Apr 22:36
Maybe checking that the Israeli `s haven`t invaded it!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 2 Apr 23:39
Quote:
Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol like
Date: Thu 2 Apr 22:27
They do, all this pomp and ceremony to "go round the moon" when apparently decades ago we were playing buggy races on it.
How did tech regress so much between then and now?
Seriously,what utter nonsense.
Most people who do not believe we landed on the moon don`t know why we "regressed" with rocket technology.
The reason is actually more infuriating and unbelievable than you could possibly imagine.
Go find out yourself, or ask Buffy, she seems to know.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 3 Apr 00:07
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 2 Apr 21:27
Massive waste of some great minds, time and money
If they`re spending it on Moon missions it gives them less time and money to win wars bigly
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 3 Apr 08:34
Only in the minds of the politically indoctrinated can such conspiracies exist.
In my experience, it`s only Maga nutters and Communist sympathisers that believe the moon conspiracies. In the case of the latter, it`s quite hilarious because the Communist societies have generally been terrible at innovation and rely on IP theft, which was the case with the Soviet Union and is the case with China.
How you are supposed to create a Social Utopia without having an economy to support it and necessary technological innovation is something that has always puzzled me. Particularly when the most successful countries are Social Democracies.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 3 Apr 08:44
These loons always feel like the biggest liar`s paradox..... everybody is lying to you but trust me as I`m clearly seeing the truth that everybody else is missing. And I`ll talk to you like you are stupid while I`m doing it.
Perhaps everybody with an Astrophysics PhD signs an agreement that they`ll keep this a big secret from the stupid sheep amongst us.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 3 Apr 09:03
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Thu 2 Apr 23:39
Quote:
Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol like
Date: Thu 2 Apr 22:27
They do, all this pomp and ceremony to "go round the moon" when apparently decades ago we were playing buggy races on it.
How did tech regress so much between then and now?
Seriously,what utter nonsense.
Most people who do not believe we landed on the moon don`t know why we "regressed" with rocket technology.
The reason is actually more infuriating and unbelievable than you could possibly imagine.
Go find out yourself, or ask Buffy, she seems to know.
Why don`t you answer it?
I mean, tell me the infuriating answer.
I'm literally saying "help, i don't understand "😂
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Fri 03 Apr 09:38)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 3 Apr 09:44
I doubt his message would get through your tinfoil hat.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 3 Apr 09:54
This takes me back to the 90’s song Sleeping Satellite by Tasmin Archer.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 3 Apr 11:34
I think it`s mostly the sheep that believe everything and questions nothing that believe we`ve been to the moon. Probably believe America is bringing freedom to all these countries it`s destroying too
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 3 Apr 11:37
Quote:
Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 3 Apr 09:03
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Why don`t you answer it?
I mean, tell me the infuriating answer.
I`m literally saying "help, i don`t understand "😂
It`s her thread, I thought I`d just tee it up.
The moon conspiracy is so daft I`m done spending time on it.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 3 Apr 12:36
Were all the Apollo missions faked or just the moon landings? Is this one legit? Have the Van Allen belts been switched off?
I don’t think it was ever a question of technology, more motivation. I’ve had the technology to go to Ibrox for 40 odd years, but I’ve been before and I’m in no rush to go back.
With space travel, the public got a bit bored and coupled with the huge expense (perhaps the oil shock of the early 70s was a factor) attention shifted to Space Stations, Space Shuttles and not doing very much at all. The Challenger and Columbia disasters didn’t help.
I don’t think the physics has changed. If you apply a constant force to a body, it accelerates. If it goes fast enough it can escape the earth’s atmosphere. Then it’s just a matter of making sure you are pointing in the right direction. It takes a lot of fuel though - they use most of it on launch – the rockets are heavy because they carry so much fuel. I think the Soviets used to go with less fuel and lighter rockets. RyanAir may adopt a similar principle.
It’s not rocket science...
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 3 Apr 14:54
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 3 Apr 11:34
I think it`s mostly the sheep that believe everything and questions nothing that believe we`ve been to the moon. Probably believe America is bringing freedom to all these countries it`s destroying too
What if you believe we have been to the moon and also that America isn’t bringing freedom to all?
I don’t see NASA as some big government department, hell bent on cover ups and conspiracies to mislead the public.
Although saying that, Im not as enthusiastic about it as I thought Id be, as I did love Apollo 13…
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 3 Apr 15:22
Quote:
ipswichpar, Fri 3 Apr 09:44
I doubt his message would get through your tinfoil hat.
Salty, you ok?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 4 Apr 05:01
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 2 Apr 21:27
Massive waste of some great minds, time and money.
Does anyone actually believe that people have been to the moon?
They have, but I agree its a massive waste of money.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 4 Apr 12:34
Quote:
Topic Originator: PARrot like
Date: Sat 4 Apr 05:01
They have, but I agree its a massive waste of money.
So was the great wall of China.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 4 Apr 13:13
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Sat 4 Apr 12:34
Quote:
Topic Originator: PARrot like
Date: Sat 4 Apr 05:01
They have, but I agree its a massive waste of money.
So was the great wall of China.
Yeah, but you can see the moon from it.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 4 Apr 13:15
Quote:
Topic Originator: parsfan like
Date: Sat 4 Apr 13:13
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Sat 4 Apr 12:34
Quote:
Topic Originator: PARrot like
Date: Sat 4 Apr 05:01
They have, but I agree its a massive waste of money.
So was the great wall of China.
Yeah, but you can see the moon from it.
You can`t see it from the moon, not with the naked eye.
But if you could, that would kinda be my point.
Post Edited (Sat 04 Apr 13:38)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 5 Apr 00:28
Space exploration may be worthwhile but who knows unless you try?
I don`t understand the obsession with Mars though. Looked rubbish on Total Recall.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 5 Apr 00:59
Just wait until you realise it’s Space X that’s landing them on the moon. I get the feeling some may let their politics get in the way. 😂
Orion is the NASA rocket. They’ll then leave Orion and board starship. Starship will take them to the moon, land, act as their “base” then take off and bring them back to Orion.
It’ll be an absolutely amazing mission to complete if successful.
The fact that when NASA was struggling that someone like Elon musk can come along and still push R&D then also help provide a platform for something like this is incredible.
Actually insane we have reusable rockets that can land like they do.
I’m all for it.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 5 Apr 12:19
Nazis putting people on the moon again?
History might not repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 5 Apr 17:54
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 5 Apr 12:19
Nazis putting people on the moon again?
History might not repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
🤣
You do realise that the communists used nazi scientists to run their space program as well?
COYP
Post Edited (Sun 05 Apr 17:56)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 5 Apr 21:24
One extra crazy regime recruiting Nazis helps your point how?
We should sort this out now though: I am not now, nor have I ever been, a Marxist. I like open and fair democracy, and lots of it. I like democracy in government, in the workplace, in the family, in education, in every facet of human existance where it can possibly be squeezed. I obviously would despise Marxists* with that worldview, right?
This is also at the root of my issue with Trump. That and the paedophilia.
*Marx did say that history would repeat itself "first as tragedy, second as farce" though, so he wasn`t always wrong.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 6 Apr 14:27
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 5 Apr 21:24
One extra crazy regime recruiting Nazis helps your point how?
We should sort this out now though: I am not now, nor have I ever been, a Marxist. I like open and fair democracy, and lots of it. I like democracy in government, in the workplace, in the family, in education, in every facet of human existance where it can possibly be squeezed. I obviously would despise Marxists* with that worldview, right?
This is also at the root of my issue with Trump. That and the paedophilia.
*Marx did say that history would repeat itself "first as tragedy, second as farce" though, so he wasn`t always wrong.
Great.
Why call everyone you don’t like a fascist?
COYP
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 6 Apr 14:31
I only call the fascist ones fascists.
The ones who behave like fascists, use fascist tactics, quote fascist talking points, and use fascist symbolism. I don`t see the problem there.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 6 Apr 14:33
Quote:
Wotsit, Mon 6 Apr 14:31
I only call the fascist ones fascists.
The ones who behave like fascists, use fascist tactics, quote fascist talking points, and use fascist symbolism. I don`t see the problem there.
Aye okay.
So considering you behave like a communist, use communist tactics, quote communists and their talking points. Folk shouldn’t have a problem calling you a communist?
COYP
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Mon 6 Apr 14:37
It’s interesting that Wotsit quotes Orwell in his signature.
Orwell also said the following:
‘ The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Mon 6 Apr 20:30
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 5 Apr 12:19
Nazis putting people on the moon again?
History might not repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
Yeh they are going to re build Mondbasis Eins 😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: sintv
Date: Tue 7 Apr 17:21
It enters the atmosphere at 25000 mph. Wow
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 7 Apr 18:48
Can i ask my question again, why did tech regress so much?
I mean we had a buggy cuttin about up there and now can`t land on the ruddy thing, anyone?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 7 Apr 19:11
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 7 Apr 18:48
Can i ask my question again, why did tech regress so much?
I mean we had a buggy cuttin about up there and now can`t land on the ruddy thing, anyone?
They are different programmes. Different programmes with different objectives means different technical designs that need tested. I wouldn`t really like them not to test stuff and assume it would just work.
This one is to get to Mars. They spent days testing stuff when in earth`s orbit. They will go to the moon i think on IV. I think their ability to leave kit in space to test docking is currently more their priority given future plans.
The moon is only 4 days away. Landing on the moon isn`t hugely important when the trip to Mars and back is expected to take (I think) 3 years.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 7 Apr 19:12
It hasn’t regressed. The manufacturing and distribution areas used in the 1960s and primarily the Apollo era are now obsolete. Richard Nixon cancelled the space program citing it too expensive. The people who designed and built the original space crafts etc are now gone. NASA still has the plans etc but it would cost too much to replicate the originals and now it’s about safety, research and rebuild rather than speed and high finance.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 8 Apr 00:30
No chance of getting to mars.How would they carry the fuel to get back? If anything went wrong once there,no chance of a rescue.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 8 Apr 08:04
Quote:
buffy, Tue 7 Apr 19:12
It hasn’t regressed. The manufacturing and distribution areas used in the 1960s and primarily the Apollo era are now obsolete. Richard Nixon cancelled the space program citing it too expensive. The people who designed and built the original space crafts etc are now gone. NASA still has the plans etc but it would cost too much to replicate the originals and now it’s about safety, research and rebuild rather than speed and high finance.
I can see that to be fair, it`s just something that has always been odd to me, however in saying that, not a subject i pondered much, only when something like this comes up.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 8 Apr 09:11
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 8 Apr 08:04
Quote:
buffy, Tue 7 Apr 19:12
It hasn’t regressed. The manufacturing and distribution areas used in the 1960s and primarily the Apollo era are now obsolete. Richard Nixon cancelled the space program citing it too expensive. The people who designed and built the original space crafts etc are now gone. NASA still has the plans etc but it would cost too much to replicate the originals and now it’s about safety, research and rebuild rather than speed and high finance.
I can see that to be fair, it`s just something that has always been odd to me, however in saying that, not a subject i pondered much, only when something like this comes up.
My favourite is in the Voyager missions, I believe programmed in Fortran and as the majority of the mission team are dead now, how they manage to keep solutions running for the software and commands of a system 50 years old is incredible. Can you ever imagine finding a programmer who works in building antique code and the tools to support that software. I bet they are very rich 😜.
I did Fortran at University in the early 80s and it was already classed as a dead language that we did for kicks.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 8 Apr 16:45
Quote:
twin par, Wed 8 Apr 00:30
No chance of getting to mars.How would they carry the fuel to get back? If anything went wrong once there,no chance of a rescue.
There will come a day in the future where fuel stations will be built on the moon. Probably the same on Mars.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 8 Apr 19:32
Well, regarding fuel in space, you only need to carry enough to build momentum and to slow down again...
Can`t fathom why some folk think technology has regressed...the computer that guided the Apollo missions to the moon is less powerful than a pocket calculator...
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 8 Apr 20:37
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Wed 8 Apr 19:32
Well, regarding fuel in space, you only need to carry enough to build momentum and to slow down again...
Can`t fathom why some folk think technology has regressed...the computer that guided the Apollo missions to the moon is less powerful than a pocket calculator...
So if the tech has progressed, why haven`t we then?
I`m honestly intrigued as to why we`ve gone from having buggy fun uo there to only being able to go round it, to an extent i got an answer right enough.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 8 Apr 20:48
It is a fascinating paradox, isn`t it? We carry more computing power in our pockets today than the entirety of NASA possessed in 1969, yet we haven`t set foot on the lunar surface since 1972.
To put your mind at ease: **No, the moon landings were not fake, and no, technology hasn`t regressed.** In fact, we are technically more capable now than ever. The "why" comes down to a mix of politics, risk, and the sheer lost art of specialized manufacturing.
### 1. The "Will" vs. The "Way" (Politics & Budget)
In the 1960s, the Apollo program was fueled by the Cold War. At its peak, NASA received roughly **4% of the entire federal budget**. Today, NASA’s budget hovers around **0.5%**.
* **Then:** It was a "Space Race" against the Soviet Union. Cost and safety were secondary to national pride.
* **Now:** Deep-space missions must compete with social programs, defense, and infrastructure for funding. Without a "race," the urgency evaporated.
### 2. The Lost Infrastructure
While technology has advanced, **industrial knowledge** can actually expire.
* **The Saturn V:** We have the blueprints for the rockets that went to the moon, but we no longer have the factories that built the parts, the specific alloys used, or—most importantly—the thousands of technicians who knew how to hand-assemble those specific engines.
* **Analogy:** It’s like trying to build a Victorian-era steam engine today. We understand the physics, but we don`t have the specialized foundries or the "tribal knowledge" of the workers who did it every day.
### 3. Safety Standards
In the 60s, NASA accepted a high level of risk. The Apollo 11 crew had a significant chance of not coming back.
* Today, our **tolerance for risk is much lower**. Modern spacecraft (like the Orion capsule) are designed with vastly superior life-support and safety systems. Building things to be "100% safe" takes significantly longer and costs much more than building them to be "hopefully safe."
### 4. The Proof of the Landing
The idea that the landings were faked is a popular conspiracy, but it falls apart under scrutiny:
* **The Rocks:** Astronauts brought back 382 kilograms (842 lbs) of lunar rocks. Geologists worldwide have confirmed these rocks have chemical signatures impossible to find or "fake" on Earth.
* **The Reflectors:** Apollo 11, 14, and 15 left "retroreflector" mirrors on the surface. To this day, scientists can bounce lasers off them to measure the distance to the moon.
* **The Witnesses:** At the height of the Cold War, the Soviet Union was tracking our signals. If we had faked it, they would have been the first to scream it from the rooftops to embarrass the U.S.
### The Good News: We are going back.
We haven`t "lost" the ability; we are simply rebuilding it for a new era. NASA’s **Artemis program** is currently underway to put humans back on the moon—this time to stay.
The first uncrewed mission (Artemis I) successfully orbited the moon in 2022, and crewed missions are scheduled for the coming years. We aren`t just going back to plant a flag; we’re going back to build a base.
Do you think the move toward private companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin will make these lunar missions more sustainable than the government-run programs of the 60s?
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 8 Apr 21:10
You missed the ‘why’ - there are no meaningful assets there so once the race was won what would the point have been? Now there are new broader objectives wildly beyond the capabilities of those who achieved incredible things at the time.
It’s really not that deep a mystery 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 8 Apr 21:27
If it was made of gold, oil, diamonds, or cheese we would have been back.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Wed 8 Apr 22:33
What ?????
The moon isn`t made of cheese ????
Well that`s ruined my night. 😀
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Thu 9 Apr 00:59
Watch the video on you tube by Richard Feynman,says it all really.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 9 Apr 10:05
Dandy - simply put, the development of technology and computing power has been nothing short of exponential in the 50 years since we last went to the moon. With greater complexity comes the need to test things far more thoroughly than before and this requires both greater manpower and finance. As others have stated, going to the Moon or Mars is more a soft power thing than anything else but with further exploration, there may come a point when there are some economic benefits such as minerals etc.
Plus the fact, in Democratic Nations there is a proper mechanism for accountability in a way that doesn`t exist in China and didn`t exist on the Soviet Union, who didn`t/don`t have QC to anywhere near the same standards as the EU, US, Canada, Japan, Korea Taiwan etc.
In the Soviet Union, if memory serves correctly, Sergei Korolev died at a very critical point during the Space Race and prior to this he had a beef with another engineer who was developing the fuels for the rockets, mainly because he didn`t believe the type of fuel to be powerful enough and also that engineer was the one who had had him sent to the gulag during the war. They never recovered from his loss and could never develop a fuel not an engine powerful enough to get their moon mission going.
China certainly has the resources to build the rockets etc that are needed, but if you consider the fact that they were not able to produce their own advanced tooling machines that could make the ball in a ballpoint pen until about 2017, then that gives you an idea of the technical gulf that still exists. If they were to put a mission up there that failed, it would be a massive loss of face and they know they wouldn`t get away with it because NASA and ESA would certainly both be monitoring very heavily and such a failure could carry very heavy consequences for the political system, as many Chinese are aware of the rampant systematic corruption that exists there. Fun fact: they don`t even give their people Universal Healthcare despite being "Communist" and they are on the cusp of a massive demographic decline. They have certainly made strong advances in battery technology and AI, but I suspect the EU, US and Mercosur will soon start combatting their markets being flooded with sub-par Chinese goods in order to protect local companies, which will REALLY damage their economy as it`s very export driven. In short, the CCP (and Xi in particular) have really fumbled the ball as they`ve maintained the system too long instead of opening up. This is what happens in autocracies when loyalty to the party is valued above ability - Xi didn`t even graduate primary school. For that reason, I think we`ll see the Chinese Space program fizzle out unless there is a change in the system soon.
I digress though, it is great to see Space Program regaining interest and I hope ESA, NASA and others team up and get things moving properly.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 9 Apr 12:20
Theres a great bit in Apollo 13 that probably sums up one of the reasons they haven’t gone back in so long…
When the crew are about to broadcast to the nation, the viewer numbers are low, very low. Why?
Because the public were already bored of the moon landings as it had already been done. It wasn’t until the explosion that the public became interested again.
Wether or not the events portrayed in the movie were fully accurate is a mystery, but maybe gives a small indication, along with the price of it, as to why they stopped.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 9 Apr 13:44
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 9 Apr 12:20
Theres a great bit in Apollo 13 that probably sums up one of the reasons they haven’t gone back in so long…
When the crew are about to broadcast to the nation, the viewer numbers are low, very low. Why?
Because the public were already bored of the moon landings as it had already been done. It wasn’t until the explosion that the public became interested again.
Wether or not the events portrayed in the movie were fully accurate is a mystery, but maybe gives a small indication, along with the price of it, as to why they stopped.
Was watching Apollo 13 documentary last night and that’s pretty much how it played out to be honest.
The movie did a great job.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 9 Apr 18:04
I won`t put quotes as they are too big, however i appreciate the lengthy responses above.
I`m not trying to be obtuse or funny, i genuinely haven`t shown any interest in these sort of things until they come up again.
Again cheers, i kinda get it now.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 11 Apr 00:08
Since I watched them go up I might as well watch them come doon.
Due to splash down approx 01:17 ~ they’re currently 7600 nautical miles above earth over Australia.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 11 Apr 00:19
Bring em home fair ship Artemis.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 11 Apr 00:48
If you are interested in Greek Mythology and references to Artemis, read Acts chapter 19. The amphitheatre in the account is still there in Ephesus. A good name but Artemis wasn`t as powerful as she was cracked up to be but maybe the current moon mission won`t live down to its name.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 11 Apr 00:52
That’s another subject I’d love to learn more about, Paralex. I’ve been to the Greek islands for holidays and their mythology has always fascinated me.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 11 Apr 01:10
A perfect splashdown!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 11 Apr 02:17
At 1.07 GMT exactly as predicted. Phenomenal stuff
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 11 Apr 02:46
A post on Facebook has me in fits of giggles
“The recovery team should have dressed up like apes from Planet of the Apes to really mess up the astronauts” 😂 😂
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 11 Apr 02:50)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 11 Apr 05:28
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Dandy Warhol, Wed 8 Apr 20:37
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hurricane_jimmy, Wed 8 Apr 19:32
Well, regarding fuel in space, you only need to carry enough to build momentum and to slow down again...
Can`t fathom why some folk think technology has regressed...the computer that guided the Apollo missions to the moon is less powerful than a pocket calculator...
So if the tech has progressed, why haven`t we then?
I`m honestly intrigued as to why we`ve gone from having buggy fun uo there to only being able to go round it, to an extent i got an answer right enough.
Space race then, no race now.
It`s that simple.
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