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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 16 Jul 14:31
Are the traffic restrictions around town still in place? I usually travel from the south to Leys Road car park. Is it still advisable to approach EEP from the east and park on that side of the ground?
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 14:36
Roadworks at Bothwell Gardens roundabout (bottom of Carnegie Drive/where the Brig Chippy is/by the railway station depending on what you prefer to call it) are still there and will be for some time. Going up by Touch/Garvock and going past the ground might be quicker even if it is a longer route.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 16 Jul 14:40
Thanks, kp.
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Topic Originator: 68guns
Date: Tue 16 Jul 16:52
not sure how far south you start wee eck but Elgin street from Rosyth and along East port to Sinclair gardens roundabout will miss the viaduct roadworks.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 16 Jul 17:05
M90 and come off at Pitreavie usually, 68guns. I think I`ll maybe stay on the motorway until Halbeath. Thanks for the info.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 16 Jul 17:23
Definitely go via the Halbeath junction if coming by motorway. If coming through the town just try and avoid coming up St Margaret`s Drive. There are/were roadworks on Whitehall Road just after the roundabout at Robertson Road. They`re not bad though.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 16 Jul 17:46
Thanks for all the input, guys. The club have actually highlighted the issues in their `Supporters` Information` message in the `News` section on COWS.
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Topic Originator: Geordiepar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 18:53
No Kane, Wighton or Breen at all. And no sub goalie. Taylor Sutherland starts.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 16 Jul 18:55
To not even have them on the bench is concerning
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Tue 16 Jul 18:56
Quote:
Geordiepar, Tue 16 Jul 18:53
No Kane, Wighton or Breen at all. And no sub goalie. Taylor Sutherland starts.
Is wighton ever fit? Looks like Kane is the same.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 16 Jul 18:57
So we`re playing on grass still no kane looks like we have signed another wighton a striker who`s only fit half of the time.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 16 Jul 19:00
Putting a team out still more than capable of winning tonight so let’s just get the job done and hope it all turns out alright, feel they’ll be needed for Saturday rather than tonight thinking about it so maybe that’s also in mind.
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 19:00)
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Topic Originator: Underpars
Date: Tue 16 Jul 19:03
It’s maybe adventurous, desperate or calculated. Let’s see what unfolds!
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 19:07
I was worried last season at the amount of time out / game management Kane needed and it seems the same going into this season… Wighton the same. Huge risk going into the season relying on these guys (even more so with Kane being our number one summer target.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 19:20
Wighton is permanently injured, Breen another. Kane on a 2 year deal is very concerning…looked well off it when he came on. Let’s no mention the bench and no back up keeper. Repeat of last season is definitely on the cards.
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Tue 16 Jul 19:20
Quote:
Geordiepar, Tue 16 Jul 18:53
No Kane, Wighton or Breen at all. And no sub goalie. Taylor Sutherland starts.
I would suspect all 3 are just being managed after long injury layoffs. It’s not a game we need to take risks. The squad involved should get the job done.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 16 Jul 19:28
We reminder to people of how many players we had out injured last season. Can`t really complain when steps are being taken to try and prevent this again. It`s Forfar in a league cup game. Not exactly an important one.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 19:37
2 turnstiles open for Norrie stand, queue along Halbeath Rd to get in 10 mins before KO 😂
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Tue 16 Jul 19:53
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 16 Jul 19:37
2 turnstiles open for Norrie stand, queue along Halbeath Rd to get in 10 mins before KO 😂
What a shambles. How are we not even getting the basics right by this stage.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 19:55
They panicked and opened the other 2 at 20 to - game still got delayed 🤦🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:09
My son's and another seat next to it both renewed and still awaiting the reserved sticker on the seat can`t wait for another season of moving folk or sitting somewhere else rather than the seat I paid for.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 20:11)
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:13
That is 1 bowfing 25 minutes.
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Topic Originator: AveragePar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:16
1-0 Forfar
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:16
Mehmet got to hold that. We have been rotten so far.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:17
A catalogue of errors and weakness there - Mehmet with 2 of them 😂
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:19
5 at the back home to Forfar is ridiculous
Kane in centre mid.
McPake complicates it too much. 442 and we`d win this easy.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:21
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Tue 16 Jul 20:19
5 at the back home to Forfar is ridiculous
Kane in centre mid.
McPake complicates it too much. 442 and we`d win this easy.
I find it baffling we signed KRH, a wide player who can`t play rwb or centre mid where he has been shoe-horned to play because he wants to play 5 at the back.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:22
We have been so flat and lacking and playing kane at center mid what is thinking this has been awful so far
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:24
Wow that is utter dross so far. We are so defensive and can’t even defend properly…. With hardly any subs I can tell you this team is in for a long/hard season. It wouldn’t surprise me if McPake leaves at Xmas if our owners/cook help him at this moment!
The football is just boring and brutal to watch!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:25
Quote:
fitzpl, Tue 16 Jul 20:22
We have been so flat and lacking and playing kane at center mid what is thinking this has been awful so far
Kane isn’t playing tonight….
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:25
I have the same worries about KRH, one of our best players but we don`t play a formation with his position.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:26
I cannot comment on tonight`s game , on holiday however I do agree with others WTF are playing 5 at the back for against Forfar ?
Mcpake needs to change it but we know he is a stubborn git and will probably leave it as it is
Boring boring football
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:27
we get into the final third punt into the box with no height in there like why we are doing nothing with it
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:27
Quote:
Alter Ego, Tue 16 Jul 20:24
Wow that is utter dross so far. We are so defensive and can’t even defend properly…. With hardly any subs I can tell you this team is in for a long/hard season. It wouldn’t surprise me if McPake leaves at Xmas if our owners/cook help him at this moment!
The football is just boring and brutal to watch!
Mcpake not playing a system that suits the team also doesn`t help.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:28
Quote:
wulliepar57, Tue 16 Jul 20:26
I cannot comment on tonight`s game , on holiday however I do agree with others WTF are playing 5 at the back for against Forfar ?
Mcpake needs to change it but we know he is a stubborn git and will probably leave it as it is
Boring boring football
Mind the postcard, Wullie!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:28
We don`t have much on the bench but maybe 2nd half we get Hamilton into midfield and then the team looks a lot better. We don`t have a left winger though mind you
Comrie
Bene
Fisher
Ngwenya
Otoo
Hamilton
Wotherspoon
McCann
Sutherland
KRH
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 20:31)
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:28
we are all over the place he needs to change the shape cause this isnt working
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:33
McPake being so married to the 3 at the back when it does absolutely nothing for us is absolutely infuriating
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:33
Quote:
Jealous Furniture, Tue 16 Jul 20:28
We don`t have much on the bench but maybe 2nd half we get Hamilton into midfield and then the team looks a lot better. We don`t have a left winger though mind you
Comrie
Bene
Fisher
Ngwenya
Otoo
Hamilton
Wotherspoon
McCann
Sutherland
KRH
Hamiltons been in midfield all game 😂🤦🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:33
fofar have looked the better team and look more interested league 2 showing more than boys out there
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:33
I`m in Latvia Lorna , weather 31c today so had to hide in cafe drinking wine !
Better to give you momento from here instead of postcard
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 20:34)
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:35
Aw he is??? I can`t watch, just assumed Hamilton was CB since KRH is centre mid. Who`s the 3 centre backs then?
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 20:38)
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:35
This is as sh1te as I have seen and I seen the late seventies and early 80s. This style of play is awful.
I watched the Falkirk stream on Saturday and they are miles ahead of us.
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 20:37)
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:36
Boo`s should be louder than what a shocking game of football we have looked awful we have 2 faster stronger forwards and refuses to try and use them
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:36
Embarrassing first half , totally set up wrong! Just nothing feel good around the place the now
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:38
Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:26
I cannot comment on tonight`s game , on holiday however I do agree with others WTF are playing 5 at the back for against Forfar ?
Mcpake needs to change it but we know he is a stubborn git and will probably leave it as it is
Boring boring football
Wullie .. ye just did comment .. Latvian wine too strong for ye ?? :-o)) enjoy yer holiday wullie
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:40
McPake must have been watching to many England games over the Euros…. The football is boring and change the formation to be attacking as we have an attacking team…Jesus!!!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:40
Quote:
Jealous Furniture, Tue 16 Jul 20:35
Aw he is??? I can`t watch, just assumed Hamilton was CB since KRH is centre mid. Who`s the 3 centre backs then?
It was Bene Fisher and Otoo - Otoo now pushed into midfield after he was absolutely bullied in lead up to their goal
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:40
Put MCcann out left cos he is no centre forward, not a clue where to go. He can’t be any worse out left.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:41
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Tue 16 Jul 20:19
5 at the back home to Forfar is ridiculous
Kane in centre mid.
McPake complicates it too much. 442 and we`d win this easy.
He`s never going to change even when we didn`t have 3 for centre Half`s he still played it. Didn`t work last year definitely won`t work this year.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:42
Serious concerns about this season with what we’re serving up tonight. So negative, with no creativity and no one willing to make runs into space. Again the squad is ridiculously light as well, which is a massive worry. Hopefully Wighton and Kane are available for the league commencing. Sad thing is; the league cup could potentially bring much needed cash to the club should we qualify. Our owners don’t seem to see it that way though…
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:43
I see Spartans are winning 2-0 up at cove just now , if we keep this crap up we will finish bottom of the group so much for wanting to win it , need to get the finger oot !
Mcpake needs to change our shape ( going with what those at the game are saying)
From what I read he also needs to give them a kick up the backside ,
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:44
On the back of the euros and this trash I am watching I am seriously losing the will to watch any football at the minute. Utter tripe.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:45
Their number 14, McLean, has bullied all our centre backs tonight. He looked like Haaland when he had them bouncing off him as he headed towards goal towards the end of the half there.
Benedictus looks knackered, no pace, just strolling about
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:45
wee eck - turns out the roadworks have been lifted! (Glad I was out and noticed this rather than being at the game)
pars no 1 - if Kane was fit, surely you`d have him on the bench, even just in case we needed a goal with 15 minutes to go? And given our financial situation, this certainly is an important game!
cammypar - it`s OK, we have plenty of depth at goalkeep... ah, no wait.
buffy - the Kane fitzpl referred to was Ritchie-Hosler, surely? Or is he just anonymous tonight?
3 at the back hasn`t worked for a while now; I`m not sure why McPake and McKay can`t see it. Hopefully the change to a 4 helps us turn it around
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:47
McLean is my mate , good to see him having a good game.
BENE hasn’t looked for all preseason
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:48
To be fair we have looked the better team but we struggle to create in the final third due to shape and tactics. Otto needs to be in midfield, such a waste in defence. We switched to a back four towards the end of the first half. We look way short on depth and quality. Going to be a very tough season ahead, we are going to be 6/7 at best on tonight’s showing. Badly need some quality loans in before the end of the window.
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 20:48)
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:49
i was yea he hasnt been in the game
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:50
I dont know what game you are watching we have not been the better team Fofar have looked much better in attack and a lot more up for the game
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:54
This is absolutely dire
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:56
that was a shocking keeper we need to get rid of him
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:56
We can`t even find a sub keeper, what chance we got getting a new number 1!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:56
Mehmet ,is terrible
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:57
5 at the back and still can`t stop league 2 players dear oh dear. I hope the investment group is watching.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:57
Mehmet costing us again! Joke of a club not even finding a keeper since the season ended!
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:57
If that`s oor keeper going forward we`re doomed
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:57
This is embarrassing
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:57
Bang goes another chance at a cup run…….
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:58
Perhaps playing an outfield player in goal isn`t that bad an idea? Though where are our strikers? Come on!
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:58
This is embarrassing this is our strongest squad minus Matty and Breen Going to be a long season
G.B
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:58
Lol Mehmet is absolutely pihs.
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:59
3000 fans getting fleeced again
Want to take cups seriously and go on a run.
How about McPake goes on a run and doesn’t stop.
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 21:03)
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:00
FA1968. Tired of football, I give to you,
Da da daaaaaaa
Mens tennis singles. Fabulous sport with rarely a bad match. Carlos Alcaraz, just a couple of months into being 21 and already has 4 slams playing an entertaining swashbuckling style of tennis,and rarely without a smile on his face. Loads of other entertaining players on tour too.
Worth a look perhaps if you grow weary of football.
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:00
losing every second ball players look uninterested creating nothing if this how are gonna play this season we are going down
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:02
Too late for a refund on season ticket?
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:03
we get the ball to there boss and f all with it mcpake sees we are 2-0 down making no tactical changes
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Topic Originator: Parallel Lines
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:03
Airdrie showing how it is done 8 nil up on East Kilbride
I looked for my pet in all the books on animals and birds and then I found it in the Book of Revelations.Marty Feldman
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:06
Is it just this season we are stuck with Mehmet? We need a clear out of all of McPakes older, long term contracts. Dreadful
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:07
We’d be better off with Sammy the Tammy in goals instead of that imposter we’ve got in goals the now
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:07
including McPake, bored of watching this pihs
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:07
I would be getting McPake out and doing all to get McCabe in.
This is turgid. The squad is done. We are no unlucky with injuries we are signing boys who have track records.
Breen, Wighton, O’Halloran, Kane
Shambles
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Topic Originator: xgatespars
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:08
Who thought bringing in Wotherspoon was a good idea. He`s been muck. No point showing for the baw all the time and passing it out the park or lumping up to the invisible man. Be back in the seaside league again unless massive improvement.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:08
Quote:
Andrew283, Tue 16 Jul 21:06
Is it just this season we are stuck with Mehmet? We need a clear out of all of McPakes older, long term contracts. Dreadful
2026
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:09
Ohallaron and Chalmers to change the game...
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Topic Originator: Swifty
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:10
Not at the game tonight. But reports from friends who are there say we’ve not been in the game!! It doesn’t bode well for the start of the league season. No Chris Kane tonight,is his fitness going to be an issue throughout the season. Ditto with Wighton. I’ve always thought that O’Halloran was made of chocolate. He must be one of our top earners and he has never kicked a ball for us. I think Mehmet is also on decent money?? How we haven’t signed someone to seriously challenge him is a disgrace. The season has just started and it’s already looking like it’s going to be a hard shift.
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:12
our team is killie rejects and rejects for a reason
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:16
I can count the number of the balls into box and changes we created on one hand tonight we have looked so flat
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:16
We haven’t strengthened and it shows.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:21
could argue we have become weaker not stronger this season
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Topic Originator: Foxypar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:21
Who in East end are happy with this awful formation and team?! Good god we are brutal!
FP
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:22
It’s all comes down to not improving the squad which a blind man could blatantly see was required.
I called it weeks ago this squad will go down if it’s not seriously improved, half the team is made of chocolate as well.
We have 5/6 players that aren’t championship level we signed of multi year deals so are stuck with them this season as well
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:22
We have probably identified targets just waiting on them being injured before we make our move.
McPake has not improved us one jot, he’s full of contradictions.
League one - we won the league but we were dross
Last year football was crap but that was Mcpkaes style yes we also had injuries.
This year rotten so far, McPake couldn’t attract flies to shi*te
His love affair for Dundee also annoys me always loves to mention them.
He also said he wanted to loan players with the intention of them coming to us, show them what they could have eg Mochrie, Moffat but then doesn’t even consider them.
Far too much deadwood at the club including McPake
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 21:24)
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:23
Don’t worry big Joe Chalmers will change the game…..honestly to god FFS..
Surely this is McPake proving a point to the board we have nothing of the bench etc?
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:23
Theres a reason I wasn’t attending much last season and that reason is still valid tonight - even at £12 entry!
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:24
Quote:
Alter Ego, Tue 16 Jul 21:23
Don’t worry big Joe Chalmers will change the game…..honestly to god FFS..
Surely this is McPake proving a point to the board we have nothing of the bench etc?
No it’s him proving he has no idea about tactics and a plan B
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:24
I`m not even surprised. We kept the same lot who almost got us relegated last year and have signed a guy who couldn`t play for 6 months and has struggled to play this season already. We haven`t even come close to getting someone even in the same league as Edwards. We keep with the 5 at the back. We keep on getting told one thing from the powers above and the product on the park seems to be the opposite.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:25
No drive, poor all round. Manager continues with a formation we’ve never mastered.
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:26
corners rubbish crosses rubbish this has be one of the worst dumfermline teams ever
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Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:26
McPake out. Mike Bassett in.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:32
And just wait for the bid to be accepted for Otto! He will be away… bottom 5 easily next season getting pumped by Rovers and Falkirk..
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:33
Have to agree with most ,this is shocking to be Beaten 2-0 at home to a part time team
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Topic Originator: dpard
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:33
So glad I gave this a miss. Feel for everyone who went along to only to suffer that.
It feels like it`s going to be a long long season.
Surely this will accelerate any loan incomings ?
The flame still burns
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:33
that free kick there summons the whole game I hope this crowd in there tonight boos them off the park utter dross
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Topic Originator: The moose
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:34
Quote:
Rigger Al, Tue 16 Jul 21:33
Have to agree with most ,this is shocking to be Beaten 2-0 at home to a part time team
Get rid of McPake. This is awful. 😞
BCM
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:35
Topic Originator: Alter Ego like
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:32
And just wait for the bid to be accepted for Otto! He will be away… bottom 5 easily next season getting pumped by Rovers and Falkirk
I admire your optimism. We will be lucky to finish ninth…..
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:36
Just wait for mcpakes boring ***** interview. Making excuses but answering no questions
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Topic Originator: fitzpl
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:38
Fofar look the better side well defended took there chances this game needs to looked at utterly awful
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:40
Plan A this season was to improve courtesy of not having as many injuries by the looks of it.
Theres a chronic lack of invest, or should I say correct investment. What wage money mcpake has had he’s wasted a large chunk, we’re now stuck with number of high earning players who are either not good enough or injury prone and will struggle to string any sort of run of games together.
Mcpake dug himself out of a hole last season, do I think if we get off to a poor start he can do it again? I’m not sure. His tactics are terrible and the worst thing is he doesn’t even sign players to play that system!
We are such a poor watch at the best of times, you can hack getting beat if we gave it a go, but we’ve not even done that tonight.
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 21:44)
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:40
Why is everyone so down, we have a magnificent half finished training ground, we have a code of conduct written by a bunch of Germans and also German (non)investors who know people at St Pauli so a lot to be positive about.
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 21:41)
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:41
Can;t wait to hear the same **** from McPake .....
Not good enough, Training was good blah blah. Players finding fitnes, players missing ..
You can`t defend that from kick off until the end
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:41
We are in deep *****.
Squad is thin, what experience we have is injury prone.
Manager has a terrible playing style.
All roads point to relegation
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:41
That match was a sackable offence Get Mcpake and his crap football down the road.
3 seasons to build a team and that team is rank.
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 21:44)
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:42
I honestly think Mcpake was only 1 game from the sack last season too
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:42
Dreading the match away to Livi, let’s not talk about the upcoming Falkirk match. Lose both and it’s time up for Mcpake. We are going backwards and not forwards as a club under the Germans. The fans and gates will drop in the coming weeks. What’s the point of watching this garbage every week.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:42
Mcpake must take a long, hard look at his style. Even with Mehmet`s gifts, we should be blowing Forfar away.
I can`t see him in a job come November.
Buckle up guys!
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:44
get mcpake to join southgate and bugger off how hell did we beat spartans 3-0 now 3rd only on goal difference gonna be long season with that idiot in goals
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:44
Just waiting on the usual 3 roasters coming on to defend that crap and to tell us all is rosy in the garden.
Chalmers and Mehmet are honking.
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 21:44)
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Topic Originator: Parca_Par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:48
Quote:
GG4, Tue 16 Jul 21:44
Just waiting on the usual 3 roasters coming on to defend that crap and to tell us all tisy in the garden.
Chalmers and Mehmet honking.
Agree that the performance was totally unacceptable but wouldn’t say Chalmers was honking. Thought he did ok when he came on, actually played a few decent forward passes. Has been one of our better players in the pre season games
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:49
I agree, McPake could easily be sacked after the first 3 league games if this continues - and rightly should be.
He has SOME OF the players but his system and style is what is killing us.
And get a new number one in - that was a joke tonight!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:50
Quote:
Parca_Par, Tue 16 Jul 21:48
Quote:
GG4, Tue 16 Jul 21:44
Just waiting on the usual 3 roasters coming on to defend that crap and to tell us all tisy in the garden.
Chalmers and Mehmet honking.
Agree that the performance was totally unacceptable but wouldn’t say Chalmers was honking. Thought he did ok when he came on, actually played a few decent forward passes. Has been one of our better players in the pre season games
Chalmers was fine, and probably better than Hamilton and Otoo tonight 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:51
Why does he continue with a system that is NOT working. We have some great players who would walk into other teams squads but we`re set out like absolute diddies.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:51
The point is the club made a loss of over 1 million last season…and have to live with what we have now..this season another predicted loss….where is all the money going????
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:52
The players and staff need to take a proper look at themselves, that was nothing short of an utter disgrace and the worst pars performance I’ve seen I a long time.
Mcpake did change the shape and made the correct subs in my opinion however he absolutely carries the can for that. I would say though that performance is on the players I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many players drop an absolute stinker at the same time.
Didn’t win a header all game. Didn’t win a tackle. Forfar didn’t have to get out of second gear.
Don’t care how skint we are we should never accept that standard of performance.
Also make no apologies for saying that Deniz Mehmet should be absolutely no where near this football club. I’d seen enough two seasons ago, he faced about one shot a game in the seaside league and decide that makes up from what we seen when he first came in??? We need two keepers ahead of him never mind scraping to find a back up for the guy.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:52
If we do punt mcpake who would want to take on the poison chalice he’ll leave behind?
Injury prone or proven not good enough players is half our squad.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:53
There will be about 150k maybe more being paid out on paid positions of staff now
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:57
Perhaps we could get o’hallaran and Kane a job on the back room staff so we can at least get some value out of them?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Tue 16 Jul 21:57
There is a long list of players that are nowhere near good enough. Along with a manager who insists on playing a drab style of football.
Mehmet - extended contract, WTF
Conrie - bang average
Ngenya - every bit as bad as thistle fans said he was
Bene - near his sell by date
Otoo - the only asset on the pitch and a very good player who could get a lot better
Fisher - decent
Breen - missing more than he plays but decent
Charmers - I have no words
Hamilton - decent
KRH - league 1 standard, not good enough for championship
Weatherspoon - the only player that looks like he has a clue going forward
Ohalloran - no words
McCann - good lord he is rotten, no instinct or clue where to go and when
Tod - not ready, has a chance
Sutherland - will be a natural goal scorer but not ready
Kane - the only other player it’s half a clue going forward
Wighton - whoever decided to extend his contract needs locking up
Are we that bad of a prospect that these are the best or only players we can attract, we don’t have money to throw around but still a reasonable budget.
That squad will take us down, now I need a break away from watching that shower.
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 22:06)
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:05
That’s as bad as it’s been under Mcpake tonight, seriously concerning from the word go playing 5 at the back at home against Forfar.
These games are a chance to change it up, have a go and play some attacking football and see where we go.
KRH playing central midfield and no width to the team is just absolutely poor. Wotherspoon tried to hard at some points. Mehmet, same old, same old. McCann again, not good enough. Don’t care what anybody says.
If Mcpake don’t get the backing and the signings through the door we’re in for a long long season and that’s a fact.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:07
Usually try and be constructive where I can but that truly was abysmal.
Whole performance was just lethargic, couldn’t get past a player, win a header, even play a pass.
I’ve never seen Comrie have that bad a game before. Mehmet had one of his usual shockers but the first goal I think Otoo was partly to blame, basically got skinned twice by the winger with ease the get the ball in the box.
Person I feel bad for is Sutherland and if I was him would be absolutely fuming, an opportunity to start and we turn up with that garbage.
FWIW I’m shocked folk are calling out Chalmers in this game, he came on and was the only one that was playing balls forward and trying to do something.
O’Halleron as well, a lot of running with no meaningful output but the effort was there unlike any of the others.
This is a tough one to swallow, we have a great group in this competition and now in major bother of qualifying from it.
The whole start of the season as well has been tainted by poor recruitment, performances in preseason and tonight.
For those at Spartans and seen the first half, they probably wouldn’t be that surprised.
Just want to add as well, we weren’t playing five at the back so not sure where that’s coming from?
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 22:08)
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Topic Originator: DrumRoad
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:18
Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 16 Jul 20:57
“5 at the back and still can`t stop league 2 players dear oh dear. I hope the investment group is watching”
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It is inherently obvious our investors have a completely different vision for our club than that of the grass root support who are rightly hungry for success at some kind of level
Personally I can’t get excited about this coming season & expect a lot of sad Saturdays 👎
2022/23 League one Winners
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:19
Quote:
Alter Ego, Tue 16 Jul 21:51
The point is the club made a loss of over 1 million last season…and have to live with what we have now..this season another predicted loss….where is all the money going????
£3k a week we are paying Mr Cook……at this level thats 4 decent enough players
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:19
Ngwenya - not being critical of his play but he looks purely a defensive full-back so why was McPake so keen to sign him when his system is based on full backs getting forward to provide the width.
So many miles off it tonight, Wotherspoon for me still has plenty to offer but he needs to be doing it around the opposition box not on the half-way line.
McCann never seen the ball to feet once in the 1st half, and Sutherland was only able to get the ball when he went wide left again that`s not a criticism of them.
The system might work at the top level but we don`t have the players for it, it`s so easy to defend against when you aren`t able to play a penetrating ball or have any runners.
You really could go on all night, I`m hoping McPake hints at needing funds because everything is screaming that we are way short.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:27
That was absolutely honking tonight . A shambles even before the game started , with only one turnstile open . It only got worse when they kicked off .
We are like a joke club just now .
A long, hard season ahead . I`d have us among the favourites for the drop .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: NikNakPar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:29
Quote:
Parsweep, Tue 16 Jul 22:27
That was absolutely honking tonight . A shambles even before the game started , with only one turnstile open . It only got worse when they kicked off .
We are like a joke club just now .
A long, hard season ahead . I`d have us among the favourites for the drop .
Agree. We will struggle this season unless we get a couple decent loan signings in or we change formation.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:32
If McPake aint going to the board and demanding more players I would be amazed, however doesn`t look like he can attract pigs to **** the now!
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:36
Wighton no pace ,kane no pace, Wotherspoon no pace ,the only player we had last season with any pace we sold ,what they do at training it certainly isn`t passing to each other.
The only saving grace for Mcpake is it may cost to much to sack him .
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:37
If he isnt being backed by the board, he should be sat down with Cook at this very minute saying “if you dont back me, I walk tomorrow”.
If he is being back by the board, he really needs to up his game, or he should be gone 3 games into the league season.
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:37
We have decent players, we need tactics and a manager that knows what to do with them.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:38
Post match comments are taking their time tonight
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:39
Zero positives and zero pass marks from tonight’s game. It’s going to be a very long season based on that. With our lack of activity so far, I was already dreading f this season but still expected us to comfortably defeat Forfar tonight. Forfar were poor and we gifted them two goals - both poor from Mehmet. We had zero threat going forward and it makes me wonder why we haven’t brought in any wide players yet. Hopefully our new keeper is worth the wait as well… There’s a reason Mehmet has never been a number one at any other club.
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Topic Originator: PansPar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:40
Credit to Forfar for the win, but for anyone not at the game it`s worth clarifying - they did not play a blinding once-a-season game against us. They looked exactly as I expected, a pretty average part-time lower league team, albeit a very organised one. However we made them seem so much better than that tonight. It could and probably should have been 3 if not for a good challenge by Fisher near the end.
Mehmet had a poor game and was at fault for the second, but as has been pointed out the first would never have happened if Otoo hadn`t been skinned down the left. To the fans sarcastically cheering when Mehmet made a couple of catches later in the game - really? He didn`t have a good night, but he`s your own keeper. Maybe save that for the opposition.
Credit to Wotherspoon, Otoo, Chalmers and MOH for looking for the ball and at least trying to play forward. Chalmers in particular when he came on.
However I`m afraid my patience is out with McPake and the utterly turgid, inspid football that we play under him. We barely threated tonight and looked lost on the ball. Between the tactics, the style of play and the constantly playing guys out of position to suite a rigid system, I`m done. This season looks like being brutal under him and we will spend it looking up the table. For that reason I will not be buying a season ticket and will limit the number of Saturdays that I expose myself to it.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:42
^^ What about when mehmet sshhh the norrie when he saved a penalty v Inverness last home game? No wonder he gets pelters how many howlers is he on now??
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:46
Didn`t go tonight as I was at a family meal.
Terrible result.
Worrying times.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:46
Otoo got rinsed then Mehmet proceeded to flap at the cross putting into their players path, then fumbled the shot that he tried to save…….
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:47
He is now saying with Kane being out....I thought he wasn`t out? Now he has a ankle injury... I can honestly see him missing a big chunk of games for us
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:47
Can’t wait to hear McPakes’ verdict on tonight’s performance.
Absolutely brutal from start to finish, no game plan at all, players look like they don’t have a clue what to do with that ball.
Otoo out of position, KRH wasted in central midfield. Get rid of this 3 at the back as it doesn’t work and hasn’t for some time.
What’s the script with Kane? Sign a striker for 2 years who can’t seem to get himself fit.
No depth in the squad at all.
Clearly don’t practice passing and controlling drills, passing was woeful tonight and that’s being kind.
Embarrassing stuff.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 16 Jul 22:48
I’m afraid the warning signs have been there for quite a while now.
Club losing £1 million and losses this year will be similar. What has that money gone on ?
Owners not willing to suffer the same losses, which is understandable, so the purse strings are much tighter now. The result is hardly any signings made and a squad very light in numbers.
Pre-season friendlies were worrying but some chose to ignore the performances.
Injuries already starting to mount. It tends to be the same players. Another worry.
A 3-0 win over Spartans certainly flattered us. Again, some chose to ignore the performance.
Tonight’s performance would suggest that something is rotten in the state of Denmark?
It’s going to be a long season.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 23:11)
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Tue 16 Jul 23:09
That performance was as bad as some of our displays in the late 70s. I have tolerated Mcpake’s style of football for two seasons but it is increasingly painful and joyless .
The game was played at a slow pace , there was a complete lack of urgency on our part and movement off the ball. Forfar deserved to win but we should not be losing at EEP to a team two leagues below us who didnt even need to play well to beat us.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 23:13
That was very poor tonight, Forfar were better than us all over the park.
Pass marks for Otoo, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran and Chalmers but everyone else was brutal.
Comrie and Benedictus looked well off the pace tonight, so slow, beat for pace a number of times. Chris Hamilton isn`t really good enough to play in midfield. He`s actually better at Centre Back but too small to play there. Kane Richie Hosler also isn`t good enough, one decent game last season but Jakubiak made him look good in that game. Ngwenya is never a Championship player. We`ve got nothing up front. If we had managed to get a decent ball into the box, there was no way any of our players were going to win it against proper men.
I hate to say it but unless decent signings (and I can`t see it) are made that improve the first team, I can see us going down.
The new owners seem to be putting the first team together on a shoestring. I thought the squad 2 seasons ago was small and we were lucky to get through the season with hardly any injuries, that came back to bite us last year, and I can see this year being as bad.
When you look back to the squad we had when Stevie Crawford left, that was better than we have now, every year the squad looks worse. The level of entertainment been served up is awful as well.
I`m not very impressed by the way the club is being run, and I don`t think the fans have the patience to see a long terms plan come to fruition
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Tue 16 Jul 23:13
McPake blaming the players for tonight. What about his honking tactics. KRH centre midfield. Baffling
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Tue 16 Jul 23:32
tbf I can understand sticking to a back 5 tonight if that`s the way we`re set up for this season. The players need to learn the system as much as possible.
However if it`s not working against ****** Forfar then it`s not going to work against the Championship teams.
With Edwards being away I can`t see any reason that we have to play with wingbacks, especially when we constantly have to have players out of position. Can Bene only play in a back 5? What`s the thinking there?
KRH at wing back or centre mid is absolute nonsense btw
Oh and Hamilton was CB on Sat, we kept a clean sheet, tonight he`s in midfield, Otoo gets put CB and gets rinsed. What is going on?
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Tue 16 Jul 23:37
I wonder if the reason we haven`t signed a sub goalie is because we`re looking for a new first choice keeper
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Tue 16 Jul 23:38
It’s going to be a long hard season watching this pars team..Livi 1st then Falkirk.
If we start with this 5 at the back nonesense then we will get pumped.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 17 Jul 00:01
We really need to ditch this 5 at the back and go with a 4.
Mehmet was a decent keeper in league one but that’s his level, proved the season we got relegated he isn’t championship quality and it showed again last season. We really need a new number 1 amongst other areas, left back being one of them Ngwenya isn’t convincing me at all, at one point he was playing centre forward?? and defensively looks all over the shop.
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 00:02)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 00:08
Although we all agree it was a honking performance there seems to be some disagreement over whether we were playing 5 at the back or 4. I thought it was 4 with Fisher and Bene between Comrie and Ngwenya with Otoo and Hammy in midfield with Wotherspoon. KRH seemed to be more on the wing than on Saturday.
To be honest when every player performs below par it doesn`t really matter what formation you play. I can`t remember seeing so many misplaced, underhit or overhit passes and so many missed headers or tackles in one game as I saw tonight. I know some players are more demonstrative than others but Wotherspoon seemed the only one visibly frustrated by his own mistakes. Of the starting XI the only one I would give pass marks to was Sutherland who never gave up but his frustration usually ended up with him chasing lost causes. The subs did inject a bit more energy and effort but it was too little too late.
The second goal was 100% Mehmet`s fault but I wouldn`t blame him for the first. It was a wicked cross after the winger skinned Otoo and a decent save from the initial shot but the ball fell kindly for the Forfar player who smashed it into the net.
There`s also disagreement over whether McPake is misusing the resources at his disposal or whether the board is depriving him of the resources he needs. I think the jury`s still out on that one.
The shambles at the turnstiles wasn`t confined to the Norrie. I only got in to the South Stand at the third turnstile I tried.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Wed 17 Jul 00:17
Agree with that doesn’t matter what formation we use , if no one turns up then we’ll get beat regardless. We always look at our best with a back 4, personally don’t see what good the 5 is but that’s for the manager to decide. Boring slow passive football is now on the cards 3 seasons on the trot, and with our top summer signing picking up injuries all the time, can’t see where the goals are coming from, yet again been an issue for 3 seasons now and never been addressed yet
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Wed 17 Jul 00:34
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 17 Jul 00:08
Although we all agree it was a honking performance there seems to be some disagreement over whether we were playing 5 at the back or 4. I thought it was 4 with Fisher and Bene between Comrie and Ngwenya with Otoo and Hammy in midfield with Wotherspoon. KRH seemed to be more on the wing than on Saturday.
To be honest when every player performs below par it doesn`t really matter what formation you play. I can`t remember seeing so many misplaced, underhit or overhit passes and so many missed headers or tackles in one game as I saw tonight. I know some players are more demonstrative than others but Wotherspoon seemed the only one visibly frustrated by his own mistakes. Of the starting XI the only one I would give pass marks to was Sutherland who never gave up but his frustration usually ended up with him chasing lost causes. The subs did inject a bit more energy and effort but it was too little too late.
The second goal was 100% Mehmet`s fault but I wouldn`t blame him for the first. It was a wicked cross after the winger skinned Otoo and a decent save from the initial shot but the ball fell kindly for the Forfar player who smashed it into the net.
There`s also disagreement over whether McPake is misusing the resources at his disposal or whether the board is depriving him of the resources he needs. I think the jury`s still out on that one.
The shambles at the turnstiles wasn`t confined to the Norrie. I only got in to the South Stand at the third turnstile I tried.
We played 5 at the back until they scored the first goal.
During the warm up Ngenywa Otoo bene Fisher and Comrie were in a line doing headers.
At 0-1 he moved KRH out to the right and otto into midfield for a 451.
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Wed 17 Jul 00:45
I think the most worrying thing is there going to be an Incentive for players to play well. Regardless most will be starting week in week out, as we don’t have the squad to drop players, even if they play badly, except maybe, 2 or 3, changes. With no competition for places. We need 3 or 4 in, badly. Memhet is a liability at the back. If this is our style going forward, playing from the back, we are going to concede silly goals, And as for another goalkeeper, it’s looking like an unknown from somewhere, another Max little type player, who won’t be good enough to even compete for the number 1 spot. Another bench warmer, to make up the numbers.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 17 Jul 07:59
We never played 5 at the back, we played 3 at the back with Comrie and Ngwenya on the wings.
I agree the lack of competition for places is a real worry.
It was just the attitude for me, this was only the second game of the season, first game at EEP and they didn’t look bothered in the slightest, and whenever the ball was lost they just stood and felt sorry for themselves.
There’s no excuse for that, they come out in their tracksuit tops looking all professional, then out comes the awesome away top, and then we get served that.
Agree with the poster as well, Forfar weren’t bringing up trees with their performance, tall physical and well set up, and we were snookered by it for 90mins.
Thought I’d be better having slept on it but it was that bad it has planted a lot of seeds of doubt for the season ahead. I’m expecting a big performance on Saturday.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Wed 17 Jul 08:08
But we have a new academy and will have a home grown player in 7 years. Going to be a long season
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 17 Jul 08:13
So after listening to mcpake from last night saying senior players were "put to shame" by the younger ones. Ultimately as a manager you live and die with your decisions on who to keep around.
If you look at this seasons squad we have offered deals to players who have got us relegated already from this league and weren`t too far away from the same accolade last year. Wighton, breen and kane both don`t seem fit enough to put a run of games together couple this with the decision to run with a small squad you`re just asking for trouble. We also have no back up goalkeeper to a keeper in Mehmet who looks overweight this season and isn`t good enough.
Mcpake got a lot of loose leads after winning league 1 but after a shocking season last year the run up to Christmas will be massive for him. If we are lingering around the foot of the table or propping up all the others we won`t get the fans through the door it`s as simple as that and after making a 1m loss we really can`t loose any source of income.
It`s all good putting down an astro with a few cabins around it but we also need investment on the pitch last night shows that. We keep hearing things from the BOD but in reality we don`t seem up to the task on it. This was a cup the BOD targeted as a valuable source of income and it seems like we will fall at the first hurdle. So where do we go from here, Scottish cup ? Where we will struggle to get past lower league opposition like we have in this competition never mind getting a glamorous tie against the big boys.
Mcpake really needs to change it up in terms of tactics it`s already going to be a long slog of a season let`s not make it even longer. Change the system or it might mean a change of management.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Wed 17 Jul 08:17
Genuinely wish I hadn’t bothered with season ticket. Been scunnered with it for a few years and can see this being another season of disappointments.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 08:29
That was a very concerning performance.
McPake deserves plenty of stick for starting with a back 5 with both wing backs are out and out full backs, hardly a surprise we had no threat. It`s going to be a very long painful season if that is the game plan.
The players also deserve criticism, very few offered anything. KRH was pretty active without much joy, Wotherspoon also tried and showed some flashes but didn`t create anything. For all their faults, Chalmers and O`Halloran gave us a bit of an improvement, but too little too late. I know it`s only 1 game, but McCann and Sutherland didn`t look like they`ll form much of a partnership, probably needs to be 1 of them beside Wighton/Kane - but again with their injury record, another concern.
Saturday needs to be a massive improvement.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 08:32
I was considering getting a season ticket, I was 50/50 on the idea, as I will miss a lot of games. My experience last night has put me off the idea. On and off the park there was a lack of professionalism. No ticket kiosk in operation, so had to buy it off the shoddy website, while waiting in a queue at the Norrie snaking up the side of the Main Stand. At 19.40 someone finally got the gumption to open up a second turnstile, and the only steward that seems local had to try and tell the guy how to search bags at the turnstile.
I`m not sure where they are getting the stewards as well. I used to be a steward back in the 90s and we were all local, well trained staff. Surely they could do this again. I`m also hoping these stewards are legally entitled to work here and not being exploited by gang masters.
The board seriously needs to give themselves a shake. The whole experience of visiting East End Park is not good
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Wed 17 Jul 08:41
I wasn`t shocked ,surprised or even angry last night that wasn`t a one of performance at East End, Like folk have said there actually isn`t any pleasure in going to East End and it`s been like that for years.
The standard of football is shocking I said to the person i sit with how do you encourage youngsters along to East End to sit through that.
Dodging seagulls for 90 minutes as well can they not at least try and do something about it.
I`ve got the season ticket and also travel to all away games but if that`s the football we are going to be serving then this is the first time I`ll consider other options.
The worst thing about this situation is I don`t see how we get out of it the extra signings we require is just not happening.
Sad times to be a pars fan
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 17 Jul 08:44
The dundee united game papered over the cracks we are rank rotten and mcpake has to accept responsibility
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 17 Jul 08:47
Worst Ive ever seen the seagulls there, maybe just cause its warmer and theres less people so they feel braver - but they could have done with the lad from the landfill to fire off a few air shots to get rid of them 🙄
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Wed 17 Jul 08:52
The worst thing is, instead of freezing the season ticket prices (like most other clubs did) we put the prices up.
For what? They have a hard neck to charge fans extra for relegation candidates in the championship. Fleecing fans yet again.
There is no two ways about it. Someone will pay for the results on the park. It will either be McPake or the board. The result and overall performance last night just isn’t acceptable for what we have to pay.
As a club we’ve been taken backwards since the take over. On and off the park. We are a total laughing stock. Everywhere you look on social media, people can’t believe how bad we are.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 08:55)
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:05
Forfar’s first goal came from a long goal kick ( albeit with some good play from the winger in between) . The guy who won the flick on also the guy who hammered it into the net.
Second goal came from us trying to play out from the back, Mehmet passing straight to them.
But at least we’re trying to play “ the right way”. So that’s good.
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:08
Once again we are an utter laughing stock. Absolutely sick of the way the club is being run at the moment. Amateur hour on and off the park, another season of mediocrity awaits.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:14
"I`m not sure where they are getting the stewards as well. I used to be a steward back in the 90s and we were all local, well trained staff. Surely they could do this again. I`m also hoping these stewards are legally entitled to work here and not being exploited by gang masters."
Nice to see the casual racism dotnet is famous for is still alive and kicking. Why don`t you **** off to be with Nigel Farage and close the door on the way out?
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:17
We are desperately needing reinforcements, the board need to do something. This can’t go on.
We are severely weaker than last season and that was horrific.
As far as i can make out and correct me if I’m wrong.
Keeper wise we are weaker in terms of only have one since Little was released.
Defensively we are miles weaker having lost Fagan-Walcott, Welch-Hayes and Edwards (who all were first choice second half of season) and only brought in Ngwenya (who looks miles off it in every aspect)
Midfield Allan out and Wotherspoon in as a replacement.
Attacking I would say we are shocking. Kane obviously loan into permanent but he’s likely to miss more than he’ll play, Wighton again another injury and will again no doubt miss more than he’ll play, McCann is McCann he’ll play amazing one week and not show up for the next 9/10 games and Sutherland is just a young lad who I believe will become a key player for us in the years to come but compared to last season in the attacking sense we have lost Moffat, Summers (who wasn’t all that) and Jakubiak. So although they weren’t outstanding it gave us options.
Now realistically at the moment we can have KRH on the right if we choose, McCann or Sutherland upfront and on the left.
We are so weaker than last season and that is a massive worry.
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Topic Originator: Citizen Par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:22
I was all set to come through to Dunfermline last night as I fancied taking in the game. Was thinking lets see what we`re about this season as a season ticket purchase was pretty much riding on it. I didn`t enjoy it last year - both the football and the EEP experience. I am so glad now I had a last minute change of heart. Going by the above comments I think I`ll keep my hard earned money. We`ll be heading straight back down if we continue to sign "sick notes" to an already thin squad. Major surgery required (not going to happen) but we start with McPake. Clearly he needs to learn Plan Bs. They are boring to watch as it is.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:28
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Wed 17 Jul 09:17
We are desperately needing reinforcements, the board need to do something. This can’t go on.
We are severely weaker than last season and that was horrific.
As far as i can make out and correct me if I’m wrong.
Keeper wise we are weaker in terms of only have one since Little was released.
Defensively we are miles weaker having lost Fagan-Walcott, Welch-Hayes and Edwards (who all were first choice second half of season) and only brought in Ngwenya (who looks miles off it in every aspect)
Midfield Allan out and Wotherspoon in as a replacement.
Attacking I would say we are shocking. Kane obviously loan into permanent but he’s likely to miss more than he’ll play, Wighton again another injury and will again no doubt miss more than he’ll play, McCann is McCann he’ll play amazing one week and not show up for the next 9/10 games and Sutherland is just a young lad who I believe will become a key player for us in the years to come but compared to last season in the attacking sense we have lost Moffat, Summers (who wasn’t all that) and Jakubiak. So although they weren’t outstanding it gave us options.
Now realistically at the moment we can have KRH on the right if we choose, McCann or Sutherland upfront and on the left.
We are so weaker than last season and that is a massive worry.
The squad is a lot weaker than the one which finished the season
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jul 09:58
It`s odd hearing people complain about investing in the academy for long term sustainability but then also mention players who have come through the academy. I get that it`s frustrating not getting players in but the academy money is now spent so there`s no point thinking about it. The question is how can we support the club to find better players? The only hope right now appears to be some loans.
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Wed 17 Jul 10:19
seems to be if we go behind we struggle but score first dont lose havent lost a game when we score first since incredibly april 2022 v q o s sadly saturday could be last chance saloon if we lose and forfar pump cove which is certaintity by timee we play cove might be out of cup we are going to struggle big time if german scrooges when it comes to buying new players dont cough up i can see us anchored at bottom mcpake has lost it im afraid could be another peter grant disaster coming
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Wed 17 Jul 10:22
I know someone who plays for Forfar, he has just got back into football after a season out and what he text me this morning sums us up "I was beating your players for pace and I have been eating Hogies for 12 months, didn`t look like they wanted it.
Really Really sad seeing everything that is (or is not) going on at the club, we are behind our rivals on so many different levels
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 10:29
If we lose we`ll be out regardless - there`s not a hope in hell of bring one of the best 3 runners up on 6 points. Even a bonus point win and 8 points might not be enough.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Wed 17 Jul 10:48
Aye, it was absolute mince last night, but it did look like we were using it as a semi-friendly. There was no real attempt to chase the game in the second half, in a way that surely would never happen in a league game. I`d have been absolutely raging if we`d lost a league game like that, but was just a bit miffed that we were poor last night. I`ve been quite hard on McPake over the last 8 months or so, but I`m prepared to make some allowance for that one, especially since we maybe suffered last year by having such a hard first friendly and a derby in the first league cup game.
As to the system we played, I agree with those saying it was a back 3 initially but changed to 4 at the back in the middle of the first half. And positions of players seemed to change quite a lot, as might happen when you want to try things out.
The main worry for me is that we insisted on playing that mind-numbing passy rubbish again, and presumably have worked on this in pre-season. A few times, it looked like we were scared to put the ball in the box. So many times we just wanted to play some perfect pass to open up a defence and it never came close to happening. However, I`ll give credit to Forfar for being well organised.
I was more annoyed about the shambles to get in than the game its self. I specifically checked the website before the game and it said tickets could be bought at the portacabin, yet arrived there and found it closed and no notice as to where to go. Why are we consistently so bad at doing the most basic thing of getting people into the ground? I had enough time to make it in on time, but for it to take 20 minutes from arriving at the ground at 7.20 to getting in is really poor. It`s fundamental to watching a game and it just happens far too often. Ultimately, this is David Cook`s responsibility - I don`t like naming anyone, but it`s such a fundamental thing and he, personally, must either do better or make sure that others do better because it is not acceptable.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 17 Jul 10:58
We shouldn’t be treating it as a semi-friendly, we’ve already came out and said we are looking for a long run in this competition.
Players looked off the pace last night and there was zero movement at the top and of the pitch.
Possibly the worst I’ve seen Comrie play, he was playing RWB and never ran in behind once, always came short. One moment in the first half Fisher was looking to pass down the channel but Comrie never made the run. No point playing wing backs if they don’t run in behind.
The whole system consists of putting square pegs in round holes.
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 10:58)
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:00
We will have the best training facilities in league 1
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:10
I`ve said before that it`s a joke that a full-time club in the Championship didn`t have a substitute keeper on the bench. I also thought it was a joke that we didn`t have our own training facility until recently. I don`t see them as alternatives
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:32
Got to agree with RMGpar’s Forfar mates assessment on us. Not once that I can think of did a Pars player outpace or get in behind a Forfar player and they in all brutal honesty were a well organised bunch of part timers with a couple of beefers in there as well.
There were others but for the level that OHalloran has played at and the salary he is on he tried but did not get past the left back once.
A truly shocking performance that seems to sum our club up at the moment and for the last while. Blame whoever we like, there is blame to be apportioned at all levels but for which I believe the manger will carry the can.
For instance we have seen enough of McCann up top to know he will never be a striker with a strikers instinct, there must be lower level players in the English minor leagues that would be worth half the shot he has had, Falkirk regularly picked up unknown strikers sometimes on loan from obscurity that come up and gill there boots in Scotland (Lyle Taylor)Why are we so unattractive as a club to players, which I think we are.
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:34
Quote:
FA1968, Wed 17 Jul 12:32
Got to agree with RMGpar’s Forfar mates assessment on us. Not once that I can think of did a Pars player outpace or get in behind a Forfar player and they in all brutal honesty were a well organised bunch of part timers with a couple of beefers in there as well.
There were others but for the level that OHalloran has played at and the salary he is on he tried but did not get past the left back once.
A truly shocking performance that seems to sum our club up at the moment and for the last while. Blame whoever we like, there is blame to be apportioned at all levels but for which I believe the manger will carry the can.
For instance we have seen enough of McCann up top to know he will never be a striker with a strikers instinct, there must be lower level players in the English minor leagues that would be worth half the shot he has had, Falkirk regularly picked up unknown strikers sometimes on loan from obscurity that come up and gill there boots in Scotland (Lyle Taylor)Why are we so unattractive as a club to players, which I think we are.
What’s his salary? Oh yes you’ve no idea
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:44
Whether you know the actual salary or not, I`d say its quite safe to assume it will be a lot higher than the average Forfar player.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:44
I just don’t think we have the contacts. We gave facilities to wotherspoon as he asked and we are central Scotland club while he weighted up his options across the country.
Even Walcott from Cardiff had been on loan at Dundee although was injured. But for every Walcott there’s a Benjamin. I thought Moffat and summers were very meh and rarely contributed last season. Some of the loans were out of pure desperation too.
If we’re relaying on the young raw loans to bring us on this season we’ll be disappointed. If we bring in 5 maybe 1 will be able to hit the ground running and contribute on any semi consistent basis. Who’s to say they will even fit into the formation mcpake wants? It’s not a prerequisite for signing players it seems
Meanwhile we’ll be going for tried and tested strategy of McCann upfront as wighton and Kane are made of chocolate. As per every other chance he’s had before, this will fail and we’ll continue to look dodgy at the back and weak upfront.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 17 Jul 12:45
Quote:
FA1968, Wed 17 Jul 12:32
Got to agree with RMGpar’s Forfar mates assessment on us. Not once that I can think of did a Pars player outpace or get in behind a Forfar player and they in all brutal honesty were a well organised bunch of part timers with a couple of beefers in there as well.
There were others but for the level that OHalloran has played at and the salary he is on he tried but did not get past the left back once.
A truly shocking performance that seems to sum our club up at the moment and for the last while. Blame whoever we like, there is blame to be apportioned at all levels but for which I believe the manger will carry the can.
For instance we have seen enough of McCann up top to know he will never be a striker with a strikers instinct, there must be lower level players in the English minor leagues that would be worth half the shot he has had, Falkirk regularly picked up unknown strikers sometimes on loan from obscurity that come up and gill there boots in Scotland (Lyle Taylor)Why are we so unattractive as a club to players, which I think we are.
Strikers like Brad Holmes?
I`ve said it before and I`ll say it again. We could have brian Graham up front and he wouldn`t score many for us.
It`s the system and coaching not the players.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Wed 17 Jul 13:19
same **** different day on the park, in the dugout, off the park....
but dont worry cause "we will be ready for the weekend"
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Wed 17 Jul 14:35
Exactly my point weemike, they dig out Lyle Taylor we dig out Brad Holmes. They either do better homework or are a more attractive option.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 14:45
When was Lyle Taylor at Falkirk? 6, 7, 8 seasons ago? Why not pick Dennon Lewis, or Rueben Sammut?
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Wed 17 Jul 14:54
Dennon Lewis who they tried punted and didn’t sign on a long term contract ?
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Wed 17 Jul 15:40
That was pretty bad, but not totally unexpected.
It was largely self-inflicted, and although we had a lot of possession we never really looked like we were the better team, which is concerning. And we’ve probably blown a good chance to progress.
I think it started as a 3-4-2-1; from Saturday Otoo dropped back to replace Breen; Hamilton moved forward to midfield as the ball-winner; Bene came back to the heart of defence. Chalmers was dropped, KRH came into the middle as playmaker and Taylor started up front.
Half-way through the half, we changed to a 4-5-1. Otoo moved back to midfield, KRH went to the right, Taylor to the left and McCann ended up as the striker. So at least we made a change, it just didn’t work any better.
We made a triple sub – on came Tod and Chalmers for Otoo and Hammy; KRH went to the left, Taylor more central and MOH on the right with McCann going off.
Generally I am impressed with how organised most teams are and how everyone seems to know their roles and where they should be and what they should be doing almost without thinking. I assume this is the result of hours spent on the training pitch. However this predisposes against spontaneity (and hence excitement). And last night we also gave the impression of players being on different wavelengths.
To give one example – in the first half KRH had the ball, McCann made a run, but the ball never came immediately, so he stopped, at which point the pass was made. I think this is down to the management philosophy. Our first instinct now is to keep possession, not to attack, which is fine if you are any good at it, but yesterday we weren’t – we seemed intent on hitting passes firmly, but often not in the right direction. It`s as if goals are not a priority, but a by-product.
Later on Chalmers showed more urgency than I’ve ever seen from him – getting the ball forward quickly, but the quality of delivery from then on was poor, and the positioning of the people in the box seemed suspect. I had hoped that the acquisition of Kane and perhaps even Wotherspoon would help our forward play, but there is little evidence so far.
We did create some decent chances – a very good save from McCann, a decent one from KRH, Bene should have scored from Spoony’s cross and Comrie might have done better with his chance. And Spoony and Otoo came close. Two bad goals given away – maybe one of those things, but against a Division 2 team you would still hope to be able to score 3 if required.
I know you have the choice between picking the players to suit the system, or picking the system to suit the players and a good manager should be able to do both, IMO. What we seem to have is square pegs being forced into round holes, as Ahoy!Ahoy! has already said.
Not sure what happened with the ticketing – my regular seat was allegedly not for sale, but it sat empty. And why were most of the turnstyles closed?
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 15:41)
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Wed 17 Jul 15:42
Just to finish:
I think we’re all beginning to lose patience; I note Gareth Southgate may be looking for a job, but I’m not sure he’d be any better…
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 15:56
You have the good sense to wait a wee while before posting your views, McCT. They`re always thoughtful and worth a read.
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Wed 17 Jul 16:12
Why TF does he persist playing with three at the back it does nothing for us, we have two good dcm`s in otoo and Hamilton to cover a back four. Play a 4231 it would be ten times better and. More effective for the players we have.
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 16:15
We played with two CBs after they scored. It didn`t improve things.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 17 Jul 16:16
Spot on 4231 would work ideal in theory with the players we have.
I think most people can see that except McPake. I genuinely think the reason he persists with a back 3 is to accommodate Bene, he looks well off the pace since his injury last season.
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 16:16)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 16:28
...but he played 3 at the back before Bene had any injury problems did he not ?
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Wed 17 Jul 16:38
I think at the end of the day, we shouldn`t be losing games at home to part-time teams two leagues below. That`s poor by anyone`s standards. There is a long season ahead, and it`s going to be a challenging league.
A bit of soul searching is needed for some of the players, I think. One swallow doesn`t make a summer, so Saturday will be a big game. I always think you have to start how you mean to go on. We never got started.
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 17:01)
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 17 Jul 16:39
Yes and I would say it worked because we had other players who fit into the system.
Now last night we move Otoo in the defence, Hosler into centre mid when it would of made more sense to play a back 4, keep Otoo in midfield and Holser on the right.
Mehmet
Comrie Fisher Bene Ngwenya
Hamilton Otoo
Hosler Wotherspoon McCann
Sutherland
(Rotate McCann and Sutherland)
I think that line up last night would have been a better solution, I just think he doesn’t trust Bene in a back 4 and sacrifices other players to accommodate him.
Just my personal view on it.
Post Edited (Wed 17 Jul 16:40)
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Wed 17 Jul 16:43
I think he plays 3 at the back because he was a center half himself and it makes life easier for the CB`s if there is a spare man.
The problem is that man comes from somewhere, and by playing wingbacks, you only really have 1 man out wide. We need 4 at the back with 2 wingers from midfield with overlapping wing backs.
1 up top and 5 in midfield or a classic 4-4-2.
5 in midfield probably keeps it tight, but then we are back to low scoring as the 1 up top is isolated.
There is no happy medium, but sacrificing a forward-thinking player for a CB is the wrong way to go. Unless your CB has a license to roam forward with the ball, but everyone has to move up at the same time
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 17 Jul 17:08
I agree, weemike. Wing backs have to be exceptional players with the defensive qualities of a full back and the attacking qualities of a winger. There aren`t many of those around.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 17 Jul 19:02
What’s frustrating is, on paper, this league is as open as it has been in years where the majority of the teams will have an eye on promotion chances.
It’s a great opportunity for us to do something this season, but instead there’s a lot of pessimism given the lack of signings and performances. Make no mistake Forfar was honking, for those at Spartans, it wasn’t much better.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 17 Jul 19:17
This season is going to be the closest Championship in a while I suspect.
There’s no BIG fish this season if you like and I can see it being a 3 horse race, unfortunately I don’t see us being involved.
Everyone has strengthened and will be having a go.
I think it’ll be between Rovers, Partick, Ayr for Champions.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 17 Jul 19:28
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Wed 17 Jul 19:17
This season is going to be the closest Championship in a while I suspect.
There’s no BIG fish this season if you like and I can see it being a 3 horse race, unfortunately I don’t see us being involved.
Everyone has strengthened and will be having a go.
I think it’ll be between Rovers, Partick, Ayr for Champions.
I`d possible add Falkirk to that list. Will be interesting to see how their promotion bounce goes compared to ours.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 17 Jul 19:34
I did think about them but didn’t add them for that very reason. We already know Rovers, Partick and Ayr are going to be better, their promotion bounce could go either way and time will tell.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Wed 17 Jul 19:52
I think Airdrie depending on how good there new signings are and how quickly they settle might be contenders.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 17 Jul 20:00
Falkirk will be up there I think. Not sure about Airdrie, had a belter of a season last season, be interesting to see if McCabe can sustain that.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Wed 17 Jul 20:05
M8 at work is an Ayr season ticket holder and said Falkirk were excellent last night. Imagine they will be above us along with Rovers, Ayr, Thistle and Livi.
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Wed 17 Jul 20:28
Agree with that BBPar - was down in Ayr today visiting family who were at the game and said Falkirk were excellent and hit woodwork three times.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 17 Jul 20:30
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wetherby, Wed 17 Jul 20:28
Agree with that BBPar - was down in Ayr today visiting family who were at the game and said Falkirk were excellent and hit woodwork three times.
Boy at my work said the same he actually seemed gutted about the result.
c'mon the pars
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