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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 19 Jun 20:13
Ko11pm
This is the big one ~ cmon Scotland!
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
Post Edited (Sat 20 Jun 00:59)
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:02
Tierney in for Shankland for me, back 5.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:11
Working but watching.
Stick McTominay up front on his own.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:14
Iβll take a scrappy deflection off John McGinns left baw but Iβd also settle for a point
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:38
π
I dinnae think the magic sponge would help wi that botn
π
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:42
Tierney, Christie, Patterson in for Doak, Hickey and Shankland.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:43
Are you right next to me Wee Eck?! Jings min
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
Post Edited (Fri 19 Jun 21:43)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:45
Playing to keep it tight for 60 mind at least! Hope it works
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:49
Big call on that side, no real out ball with Doak missing and Hickey is much better than Patterson defensively IMO.
Fingers crossed it`s a masterplan!
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: 1885_ChillPar
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:56
Doaks tired against Haiti so probably thinking he will be better fresh for the last 30, if we are still in it. Think Hickey got booked too so maybe keeping him for Brazil?
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:59
Had a feeling Patterson would start. Donβt think him or Hickey can last more than 70mins. Glad to see Tierney in. Fingers crossed
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 19 Jun 22:27
Worried that it`s all going to fall apart which would be a real shame seeing how invigorated the nation is about the world cup. I`m hoping that Morocco will underestimate us and that our players perform like they can and do for their club sides.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 19 Jun 22:30
BBC are saying our starting line-up has a total of 609 caps which is the most we`ve ever had.
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Topic Originator: Hay Fever
Date: Fri 19 Jun 22:35
Should have had, Doak and Curtis on each wing and went for it. Defo playing for a draw with that line upπ‘
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 19 Jun 22:43
Would have thought one of Gannon-Doak or Curtis would play.
Hopefully a tactical masterclass from Clarke. Does have the worrying feel of a James McPake side where the post match interview will be all about how we `nearly got a draw`.
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Fri 19 Jun 22:52
Why is the STV channel so crap. Anyone know of a way to improve it without a delay π€·ββοΈ
Im in Dunfermline but Stv on a big telly is π©
Post Edited (Fri 19 Jun 22:57)
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 19 Jun 22:54
Tune into radio scotland and jimmy the sound to sync.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 19 Jun 22:58
Bit deflated by that, hopefully the manager has this right.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:02
Fek sake
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:02
And just like that, he`s wrong, now we have to get out of defensive modeπ
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:03
Fkn horrendous start
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:03
Hanley... He was absolutely the wrong player for the this game. Always going to be too slow. Could be Germany all over again...
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:04
grant feckin hanley!
struggled to keep in hibs team but still clarke picks him π‘
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:05
Difficult to say he`s wrong after 71 seconds due to an error he cant control
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:05
I thought the delusion would last a tad longer.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:05
Hanley is too slow,they knew Morocco had pace,how bloody stupid!
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:08
Wasn`t anything to do with his pace, he tried to step out which he shouldn`t have.
Was just a poor decision
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:12
All over the place.
McKenna and Hickey on the bench so expect both on at some point.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:13
If we dont waken up and step up a gear its gonny be 2 shortly
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:13
Quote:
Connor560, Fri 19 Jun 23:05
Difficult to say he`s wrong after 71 seconds due to an error he cant control
Not really, we now have to get out of this pace and shape without losing another, to a team that`s rinsing us just now in front if what appears to be an eccentric referee.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:17
Going to be a long night.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:25
Quote:
Berry, Fri 19 Jun 23:17
Going to be a long night.
Typical Clarke, no plan to score a goal in this game.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:34
Early reality check, Morocco far better.
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Topic Originator: plainview
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:35
We really need our midfield to be on their game this match to create something from scraps but unfortunately McTominay still looks off it and Christie just keeps losing the ball and falling over
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:37
They are a class above, passing and movement off the ball just at a different level to us.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:43
Christie`s blue murder at gi`en the ba away!
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:45
Their passing and movement,is so superior to us . Quick to the ball,and always find their man. We are boring in comparison.
Post Edited (Fri 19 Jun 23:45)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:47
Maybe that`s why they`re 8th in the FIFA rankings and we`re 42nd!
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:48
Did we wake up!
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:53
Thatβs no excuse for basic poor passing,so poor at this level.They surely,knew how the Morocco guys would up the pace,we are so slow to catch on! I am sticking,to watching the pars,itβs slightly less infuriating!
Post Edited (Fri 19 Jun 23:55)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:55
We`re just not all that good are we? Like Wee Eck says we`re ranked 42nd. Hatai are ranked 83rd and you could see th difference between us and them. Morocco look like they could go up another fear or two if they want. I sincerely hope I come back on later to eat my words but it beggars belief that we gave Steve Clarke another four years. Turning up just to make up the numbers is only worthwhile if you are one of the blessed few that can afford to go for a booze fueled holiday.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:56
We need a more positive mindset if we`re to have any chance. Too many looking to take the safe option even in attack and holding the ball up when there`s a chance to break.
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:59
Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie like
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:37
They are a class above, passing and movement off the ball just at a different level to us.
spot on.
They are way above us. Our "BIG" players have done hee haw so far this tournament.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:00
Wrong tactics, playing for a draw against a team with skill, and carthouse Hanley fails again.
Why do we approach so negatively.
We are lucky to only be one down, let`s get some attacking flair, and try.
This is why the manager has been good to get us here, but also very lucky, and in the finals the luck runs out.
However it`s only 1 down, and with change of tactics, and teams who knows.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:02
Still hopeful we will get something! But tactics need to be more positive!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:04
Looked good for the last 3/4 minutes of the halfβ¦..but thats it.
Far too negative again, too much respect for them.
Ring the changes!
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Topic Originator: Hay Fever
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:05
Clarke hasnβt learned, has the chance to play flair players and more attacking but no - back to the same players and formation that failed horribly at the Euros. So frustrating π‘
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:05
McTominay has been anonymous for the second game in a row. I thought he was maybe suffering the after-effects of his stomach bug against Haiti but he should be well over that now. We need to make better use of the ball on the rare occasions we get it.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:07
My worry is there won`t be a change of tactics... Clarke has a history of doubling down when things aren`t working
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:19
It`ll sound like sour grapes but this ref is the worst I"ve seen so far.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:21
Lewis Ferguson the one bright spot here. Probably his best game in a Scotland shirt.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:22
I dont think they are doing too badly against the wolds 5th best.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:24
Worse than Thomas the Tank engine in our first game? Whistling at any time 2 players got within 2 feet of each other?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:26
Oooft!
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:29
Che has to come off - he`s like a lost lamb.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:32
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 20 Jun 00:19
It`ll sound like sour grapes but this ref is the worst I"ve seen so far.
Erratic - both ways.
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:40
No Excuses,
we are guff.
Clarke really is a dinosaur!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:47
Ref a riddy.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:47
There you go, our female referee thinks we wuz robbed!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:47
Thatβs better Scotland!
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:47
Ach well,got my season ticket booked for next season! π
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:52
Can`t fault this effort. We have them rattled. Just need a finish
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:52
Quote:
buffy, Sat 20 Jun 00:47
Thatβs better Scotland!
Thatβs the problem. We are not too bad with the hand brake removed.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 00:58
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
Post Edited (Sat 20 Jun 00:59)
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:00
Better second half but that ref was murder... inconsistent AF!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:01
We were group winners to get here but play with fear.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:03
Rubbish ref, should be sent home, awful line up and tactics in first half. Stupid carthorse goal.
But we still have chance against Brazil.
Knowing he just needed 1 point from two games, why did he not go for it, awful tactics
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:04
I think we will go though on GD
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:04
Far too cautious.Always knew they would come at us early.We never learn.
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:05
We just donβt have any conviction, or anyone that can make anything happen. Gannon-Doak is supposed to be an exciting option to create stuff, but seemed hell bent on doing anything but getting the ball in the box.
And sadly we just have nothing to offer in attack. Throwing on Dykes as a target man only for him to win absolutely nothing in the air for the entire time he was on speaks volumes.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:05
That ref had a different interpretation of a foul from any other in this tournament and it wasn`t just against Scotland.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:06
We finished with Dykes, Hanley and Ralston on the pitch. Thats him in a nutshell
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:06
Given the damp squib effort in the euros I thought weβd have some sort of go in this tournament, unfortunately itβs when staring defeat in the face that weβve started to play.
I think the players are struggling with the fear of letting the nation down, theyβve started both games very nervously.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:07
Decent wee spell about 80 min mark playing through the middle and driving at them before back to aimless punts up to Dykes.
On the plus side i thought McLean had a good impact coming on and Ferguson & Hendry were excellent throughout.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
Post Edited (Sat 20 Jun 01:10)
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:12
Wonder if it might come out tomorrow that VAR was knackered tonight? Definitely a few things could have been checked.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:13
Quote:
doctordandruff, Sat 20 Jun 01:06
We finished with Dykes, Hanley and Ralston on the pitch. Thats him in a nutshell
Says it all. These players struggle to get a game at club level but somehow Clarke thinks they are good enough for the World Cup π€·ββοΈ
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:14
First half dreadful.
SH much better but we are still ponderous at times. Very little pace in our team and so easy to defend against.
Super John McGinn ? Absolute carthorseβ¦.so far. McTomminay was invisible first half but much better SH.
I would seriously consider playing him up top against Brazil.
To be honest the bottom line is we are not very goodβ¦..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:14
Quote:
WYPar, Sat 20 Jun 01:05
And sadly we just have nothing to offer in attack. Throwing on Dykes as a target man only for him to win absolutely nothing in the air for the entire time he was on speaks volumes.
Not true about Dykes.
β00:49
Oh, Lyndon Dykes... The striker is up to meet the corner but can only head wide.
Scott McTominay was behind him and might have been better placed to score.β
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:16
Overall I think we did pretty well - we have our limitations - we`re ranked 40 or so for a reason, so I think we gave the Number 5 in the world team quite a hard second half.
I don`t get the criticism of Clarke, Gannon-Doak, or Dykes. They all gave it plenty. Unfortunately Adams got starved, and we were careless with possession too often, which had them running at us too often.
We`re not really a flair team - we`re gutsy. Morocco are top notch. We did OK. And we`re still in with a chance of qualifying even with only 3 points - by virtue of keeping Morocco to one goal.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:17
We seemed to get muscled off the ball a lot, and other teams seem very capable of making it look like fouls.
Its like kids against men
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:17
Quote:
buffy, Sat 20 Jun 01:14
Quote:
WYPar, Sat 20 Jun 01:05
And sadly we just have nothing to offer in attack. Throwing on Dykes as a target man only for him to win absolutely nothing in the air for the entire time he was on speaks volumes.
Not true about Dykes.
β00:49
Oh, Lyndon Dykes... The striker is up to meet the corner but can only head wide.
Scott McTominay was behind him and might have been better placed to score.β
Aye fair play, he did get his head on that one. Ironically would have been preferable for him to have got nowhere near that one as well.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:23
Quote:
doctordandruff, Sat 20 Jun 01:06
We finished with Dykes, Hanley and Ralston on the pitch. Thats him in a nutshell
Ralston was streets ahead of the worst player on the pitch - Patterson. Goal apart Hanley played well.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:23
Thatβs the problem,we are not top notch.We think we are, but we let ourselves down with basic,passing and positional awareness.Get caught so many times out of position,always seem to be back tracking.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:26
We`re less than the sum of our parts. That`s down to the manager.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:27
Honestly that was a tough game against a team that are so much better than us in every way. We done good to get to half time only one nil down. Especially after letting in a goal so early. I would like to see us approach games with a more positive attitude. We were so much better playing a 4-4-2 and a dont believe playing for a draw or trying to hang on is a style of play that suits us. We just donβt seem to get our good club players playing at their best in an international setup.
Least weβre in a spot where we hopefully go balls to the wall against Brazil and we can make them look like Cowdenbeath.π€£ thereβs always hope π€π»
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:28
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 20 Jun 01:26
We`re less than the sum of our parts. That`s down to the manager.
This is it. Weβve got a squad brimming with experience in the English Premier League and a fair bit in Serie A and yet we play like a hastily thrown together Sunday league team.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:31
Learned zero from the Euros
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:34
Said he learned from the euro campaign. Canβt see any difference.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:36
Quote:
DJAS, Sat 20 Jun 01:31
Learned zero from the Euros
We clearly have as Morocco are higher ranked and better than Germany. Looked what happened there. 2nd half was decent.
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Topic Originator: Harroboy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:37
Not a great performance, but would we not all have taken 3 points and zero goal difference after 2 games. We aren`t that great and know our limitations. A similar result against Brazil and we might make it through.
Das ist Numberwang
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:42
Morocco only scored the one goal and that was before 90 seconds on the clock. I think we did well enough to keep them at bay and the last 15 mins of the second half was so much better from us. Not sure what folk were expecting with the stance of Morocco but Iβm certainly proud of us getting to this stage and looking forward to the Brazil match.
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:43
A narrow defeat against the 5th best team in the world, but look at everyone with their anti-agendas (pick from Clarke/Hanley/Dykes/Ralston etc etc).
The fact that there`s an expectation that we could (and should) have done more says a lot about this team and the manager.
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:44
Quote:
Kdy Par, Sat 20 Jun 01:36
Quote:
DJAS, Sat 20 Jun 01:31
Learned zero from the Euros
We clearly have as Morocco are higher ranked and better than Germany. Looked what happened there. 2nd half was decent.
I think decent is a stretch. It was better than the first half at least, and we had more of the ball certainly, but largely because Morocco were pretty happy to let us, safe in the knowledge we werenβt really going to threaten. And we didnβt.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:45
The pundits on Radio Scotland are a lot more positive about the performance and result than the consensus seems to be on here. Whenever we lose a game folk come on here blaming their favourite scapegoat, blaming Steve Clarke despite the fact that his tactics and selections have got us to three tournament finals and questioning why some players were ever in the squad in the first place.
Not so long ago we were hoping we could avoid big defeats in our second and third games as goal difference could be crucial. Now it`s a disaster we lost by a goal to a team almost 40 places above us in the FIFA rankings.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:50
Before WC started Brazil were 6th and Morocco 7th in Rankings now Morocco are 5th and Brazil 8th π€·πΌββοΈ
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:52
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 20 Jun 01:45
The pundits on Radio Scotland are a lot more positive about the performance and result than the consensus seems to be on here. Whenever we lose a game folk come on here blaming their favourite scapegoat, blaming Steve Clarke despite the fact that his tactics and selections have got us to three tournament finals and questioning why some players were ever in the squad in the first place.
Iβll give Steve Clarke credit for getting us to three tournaments, but weβve hardly done ourselves justice when weβve gone to any of them. Criticism for that is just as fair as praising him for getting us there.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:56
It seems we get in a wee team mind set,and have a mental block on the field.We think we are inferior,but that is not necessarily true,but we canβt see beyond it . We donβt believe in ourselves.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:57
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WYPar, Sat 20 Jun 01:52
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 20 Jun 01:45
The pundits on Radio Scotland are a lot more positive about the performance and result than the consensus seems to be on here. Whenever we lose a game folk come on here blaming their favourite scapegoat, blaming Steve Clarke despite the fact that his tactics and selections have got us to three tournament finals and questioning why some players were ever in the squad in the first place.
Iβll give Steve Clarke credit for getting us to three tournaments, but weβve hardly done ourselves justice when weβve gone to any of them. Criticism for that is just as fair as praising him for getting us there.
Do you honestly think 3 points from our first 2 games here isn`t doing ourselves justice? What did you expect?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:59
`I think decent is a stretch. It was better than the first half at least, and we had more of the ball certainly, but largely because Morocco were pretty happy to let us, safe in the knowledge we werenβt really going to threaten. And we didnβt.`
I`m not sure any team would take their foot of the gas in a crucial group game when only one goal up, especially when they could make up to five substitutions. They looked a bit troubled when Doak ran at them down the right and were a wee bit lucky to survive two decent penalty shouts.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:59
None of us wanting to be dumping on our national team. Yeah Morocco are in the top ten but Hatai aren`t in the top eighty. Between the two games we managed two shots on target. By any metric that isn`t good and it`s not some grave sin to point that out. We could and should be better than we are showing.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:11
Quote:
DBA, Sat 20 Jun 01:57
Quote:
WYPar, Sat 20 Jun 01:52
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 20 Jun 01:45
The pundits on Radio Scotland are a lot more positive about the performance and result than the consensus seems to be on here. Whenever we lose a game folk come on here blaming their favourite scapegoat, blaming Steve Clarke despite the fact that his tactics and selections have got us to three tournament finals and questioning why some players were ever in the squad in the first place.
Iβll give Steve Clarke credit for getting us to three tournaments, but weβve hardly done ourselves justice when weβve gone to any of them. Criticism for that is just as fair as praising him for getting us there.
Do you honestly think 3 points from our first 2 games here isn`t doing ourselves justice? What did you expect?
Honestly, yes. We were honking against Haiti and arguably lucky to come away with a win. And we were not good tonight either. I want to see us play like we should be able to with some of the players weβve got. But weβve no ambition under Clarke, so we donβt.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:12
And they nearly scored an OG too but βthey were happy to let us have the ball because we werenβt threateningβ π
I honestly wonder if folk watched the same game.
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:13
Youβre either talking out your erse or youβre on the wind up WYPar. No ambition under Clarke.
Good grief.
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:14
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 20 Jun 01:59
`I think decent is a stretch. It was better than the first half at least, and we had more of the ball certainly, but largely because Morocco were pretty happy to let us, safe in the knowledge we werenβt really going to threaten. And we didnβt.`
I`m not sure any team would take their foot of the gas in a crucial group game when only one goal up, especially when they could make up to five substitutions. They looked a bit troubled when Doak ran at them down the right and were a wee bit lucky to survive two decent penalty shouts.
Youβre right, we could have had two penalties, could see those given for sure. And Gannon-Doak looked like he could be dangerous, and did put them a little on the backfoot, but his reticence to put the ball in the box when he got into a decent position summed us up as an attacking force for me.
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:19
Quote:
buffy, Sat 20 Jun 02:13
Youβre either talking out your erse or youβre on the wind up WYPar. No ambition under Clarke.
Good grief.
Just my opinion. As Iβm sure youβre entitled to your own. Thatβs surely the beauty of the game?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:21
Fair enough, WYPar. Iβd cut down on the Coca Cola though π
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:24
To be fair, I just like a good moan after a defeat. Always have. I find it cathartic.
(But we were still pretty terrible ;) )
Post Edited (Sat 20 Jun 02:25)
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:28
It is obvious Morocco are a better team with better players (undefeated in 24 games, 3 defeats in 63 I heard), so if we had planned on going toe-to-toe with them for 90+ minutes we might have lost 4-1, and seriously damaged our goal difference, which could decide our fate.
I suspect Clarke was using the same game plan that Lennon used in the Cup Final - keep it tight for the first half and frustrate the opposition, stay in the game at 0-0 or 0-1 and then go for it in the second half. TBH it nearly worked, and our GD is still not negative.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:37
Someone needs to explain to me how the foul on McGinn in the box isn`t a penalty.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sat 20 Jun 02:37)
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:40
Here`s my tuppence worth .....
We beat a diddy team in the first game (just) and it kinda went to our heads and we (the fans) thought we were better than we actually are.
The reality is , we`re not a great side, that`s it.
We`re decent on our day , ...but our days are few and far between.
This was never going to be an easy group to get out of.
I fully expect Brazil to thump us but we might get lucky and be one of the sides that go through on 3 points.
I reckon that`s our only chance
If that happens, great.
If not , hey we gave it our best.
Here`s a question..... How many teams at this tournament are ranked lower than us ?
Would I be right in saying it`s more than 10 teams?
And we`ve beaten 2 of them (recently) in Haiti and Curacao.
Admin
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:58
Quote:
onandupthepars, Sat 20 Jun 01:16
Overall I think we did pretty well - we have our limitations - we`re ranked 40 or so for a reason, so I think we gave the Number 5 in the world team quite a hard second half.
I don`t get the criticism of Clarke, Gannon-Doak, or Dykes. They all gave it plenty. Unfortunately Adams got starved, and we were careless with possession too often, which had them running at us too often.
We`re not really a flair team - we`re gutsy. Morocco are top notch. We did OK. And we`re still in with a chance of qualifying even with only 3 points - by virtue of keeping Morocco to one goal.
Absolutely this. Some folk overdoing the criticism today. Top 5 teams defenders stopped us til late in the second half where we rattled them. 0-1 to a top sides isnt a disgrace
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 20 Jun 03:01
Quote:
DBA, Sat 20 Jun 01:43
A narrow defeat against the 5th best team in the world, but look at everyone with their anti-agendas (pick from Clarke/Hanley/Dykes/Ralston etc etc).
The fact that there`s an expectation that we could (and should) have done more says a lot about this team and the manager.
Well said. Some folk need a cold shower.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 20 Jun 03:05
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da_no_1, Sat 20 Jun 02:37
Someone needs to explain to me how the foul on McGinn in the box isn`t a penalty.
I dont think it was. He didn`t trip him. Just nudge with the hip. Feet or legs didn`t make contact. I thought the McTominay one was more likely. Some refs might have given that.
, but it would have been soft.
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 03:09
To be honest most of our players play to a very high standard for their clubs and in very competitive leagues but when they are placed in the same team something isnβt clicking. Yes we have had some amazing results and qualifying was great after years of disappointment. But we still seem to be at the same level as before and not able to make an impact in a tournaments. for me Clarke has and never will be the manager who can make a difference. Iβm not a fan of his tactics and Iβd wish weβd play to the strengths that suit the Scottish football style. Thereβs no way Morocco should bullying us off the ball all night. Even if they are a far better team. You need to get stuck in and compete more on a physical level. I donβt want to slate individual players as I not fully aware of circumstances but some are a poor representation of how good they are when they play for their league side. I not sure how we fix that but if we want to qualify regularly and expand that by getting through the first round then we need to figure it out.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 20 Jun 04:55
Re: Scotland π΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ 0-1 π²π¦ Morocco FT
Posted from the Android app Topic Originator: da_no_1 like
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:37
Someone needs to explain to me how the foul on McGinn in the box isn`t a penalty.
Never a pen. I would be raging if that was given against us..McGinn spent more time on his ar$e during the game and maybe the ref took that into consideration
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 20 Jun 05:52
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 20 Jun 03:05
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 20 Jun 02:37
Someone needs to explain to me how the foul on McGinn in the box isn`t a penalty.
I dont think it was. He didn`t trip him. Just nudge with the hip. Feet or legs didn`t make contact. I thought the McTominay one was more likely. Some refs might have given that.
, but it would have been soft.
I didnβt realise late challenge hip checks were allowed in football π€
I think our pressure in 2nd half deserved a draw, despite not getting that goal we needed. What I didnβt get was why he brought on Stewart instead of Shankland? Him and Dykes are effectively the same, and leaving our best goal scorer on bench when chasing a goal seemed strange.
And not going to lie, but what have Hanley and Ralston got on Clarke? Sorry, but Hanley was so far off it tonight it was embarrassing for him. And Ralston over Hickey? π
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 07:31
Bottom line, we weren`t good enough. I thought we set up not to lose a goal but those plans went up in smoke after 70 seconds. Sometimes you just have to go for it. The Scotland teams of the past when facing Brazil did that. I hope we can do that next week.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 07:40
I don`t think we`ve ever beaten Brazil though, have we? `Going for it` against the best teams seldom works. Fans always favour it but professional football managers are more canny, knowing the likely outcome.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 20 Jun 07:43
Dreading Hanley up against Viniciusβ¦β¦
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 07:56
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 20 Jun 07:43
Dreading Hanley up against Viniciusβ¦β¦
Hopefully he gets injured during training.... either that of Clarke sees sense and benches him π
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 08:06
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 20 Jun 07:40
I don`t think we`ve ever beaten Brazil though, have we? `Going for it` against the best teams seldom works. Fans always favour it but professional football managers are more canny, knowing the likely outcome.
Thats fair comment, but sometimes fortune favours the bold. I think it would be better to have a go early in the game rather than go a goal behind and try and get back into the game. Reminicent of a few Pars games last season.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 08:17
Hanley made a terrible error for the goal, otherwise, I can`t remember him making too many other mistakes.
Hendry was good again, Ferguson the pick of the midfielders (not the best sign as he is the most defensive one). Gunn had a decent game and looked more secure than normal.
We only got flashes from McGinn, McTominay and Christie in the 2nd half. The kindest thing I can say about Patterson is that he looks like a guy that hasn`t played football for 2 years. Tierney was ok, Robertson ok. Adams had absolutely nothing to work with.
Mclean added some composure when he came on, maybe needs to start in the Gilmour role. Dykes also did ok, pity about the header.
Mixed feelings for me. Can understand the tactics from Steve, and they kind of worked, I don`t think Morocco were particularly dangerous, but neither were we. I also feel that we are at our best when we are aggressive and press high. We might have got battered had we opened up earlier, but we might also have been able to push them back and attack more in the first half.
One more chance.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 09:05
As much as folk might be happy at only losing by 1 goal to the 2022 semi finalists, the more worrying aspect for me is that it`s another tournament game where we`ve not made their goalkeeper work. We`ve played 8 tournament games under Clarke and we`ve probably registered about 6 shots in total across those 8 games, with even fewer on target (two deflected goals in Germany and a deflection v Haiti inclusive).
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 20 Jun 09:29
We were poor, but should have had at least one penalty shout go to VAR.
Morocco were good, but should have scored at least another goal based on the chances they had.
All in all a disappointing night for me.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 09:34
I would rather we went on the front foot against top opponents. Most teams in the competition seem to go out early after the first goal. Brazil scored 3 first half and sat back after that. The game was over. When you boil it down, what is the differencein trying to score in the first 20 minutes to trying to score in the last oyher than you are already a goal down.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 10:19
Expectations eh?
We did extremely well to hold the 6th best team in the world to one goal, and might even have sneaked a late equaliser. That might just let us get through in a 3rd spot. If so, job done - qualifying from the section for the first time.
Post Edited (Sat 20 Jun 10:26)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 10:41
Quote:
desparado, Sat 20 Jun 04:55
Re: Scotland π΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ 0-1 π²π¦ Morocco FT
Posted from the Android app Topic Originator: da_no_1 like
Date: Sat 20 Jun 02:37
Someone needs to explain to me how the foul on McGinn in the box isn`t a penalty.
Never a pen. I would be raging if that was given against us..McGinn spent more time on his ar$e during the game and maybe the ref took that into consideration
So is a foul in the box not a penalty now? OK then.......
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 20 Jun 11:07
The ref didnβt think it was foul so no pen.
We were rank. We got beat. End ofβ¦
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 11:17
Quote:
desparado, Sat 20 Jun 11:07
The ref didnβt think it was foul so no pen.
We were rank. We got beat. End ofβ¦
That first is factually correct but doesn`t stop any of us disagreeing with him. Or are we not allowed opinions anymore?
I strongly disagree we were rank. We started badly but grew into the game and finished relatively strongly, in my opinion.
Doak must start on Wednesday and give them something to think about. We have to start our best players.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 11:29
I don`t know what instructions have been given to officials in this WC but it seems to me that the VARs are more reluctant to intervene than in, say, the English or Scottish Premierships. They appear to be looking for `clear and obvious errors` so won`t overrule any borderline on-field decisions. Last night`s ref seemed to be more tolerant of physical contact than most, otherwise we might have been awarded one if not two.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 20 Jun 11:38
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 20 Jun 11:17
Quote:
desparado, Sat 20 Jun 11:07
The ref didnβt think it was foul so no pen.
We were rank. We got beat. End ofβ¦
That first is factually correct but doesn`t stop any of us disagreeing with him. Or are we not allowed opinions anymore?
I strongly disagree we were rank. We started badly but grew into the game and finished relatively strongly, in my opinion.
Doak must start on Wednesday and give them something to think about. We have to start our best players.
Hereβs a question for you, Da. Why not start our best players against Morocco ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 20 Jun 11:43
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Sat 20 Jun 10:19
Expectations eh?
We did extremely well to hold the 6th best team in the world to one goal, and might even have sneaked a late equaliser. That might just let us get through in a 3rd spot. If so, job done - qualifying from the section for the first time.
I donβt disagree but this hype over getting out of our group for the first time is a little diluted, imo, by the fact that third place was never good enough for past Scotland teams.
Only 32 teams qualified in the past. We now have 48 teams and 104 matches are played to get us back down to 32.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 20 Jun 12:08
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 20 Jun 11:29
I don`t know what instructions have been given to officials in this WC but it seems to me that the VARs are more reluctant to intervene than in, say, the English or Scottish Premierships. They appear to be looking for `clear and obvious errors` so won`t overrule any borderline on-field decisions. Last night`s ref seemed to be more tolerant of physical contact than most, otherwise we might have been awarded one if not two.
I think thats the way a lot of European leagues etc are ran by refs and VARs - I actually think the British group are well behind.
The issue is though that some contact warrants a foul, which last nights ref could not differentiate between for large periods of the game. Or was inconsistent with his decisions.
Now Ive looked back on it too, how on earth has the defender not seen red for bringing down Adams? He has got goal side, looks to be out pacing him, there is nobody else nearby and the ball is well outside the boxβ¦..
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 12:14
Must admit, I don`t know how the McGinn claim wasn`t a penalty considering some of the other decisions that were given as fouls and cards. The McTominay claim was much softer IMO. Ref was extremely inconsistent for both sides.
While we have some of the best individual players we`ve ever had and we`re overloaded at RB/LB & CM, this squad really lacks the balance that we had, particularly at GK, CB and ST, back in the 2010(?) era with the Smith/McLeish team IMHO.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 20 Jun 12:42
Quote:
Stanza, Sat 20 Jun 02:28
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I suspect Clarke was using the same game plan that Lennon used in the Cup Final - keep it tight for the first half and frustrate the opposition, stay in the game at 0-0 or 0-1 and then go for it in the second half. TBH it nearly worked, and our GD is still not negative.
100% agree
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 12:54
I thought at the time that the foul on Adams should have been a red. He was was 100% gonna get the ball before the goalie. Shocking decision
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 13:02
The comparison with the Cup Final`s a good one. It was as if Morocco, like Celtic, had an extra man with their pace, movement and accuracy of passing causing us all sorts of problems. Fortunately they are not the most clinical of finishers. According to the stats they only managed one shot on target apart from the goal.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Sat 20 Jun 13:20
Quote:
Big T Par, Sat 20 Jun 12:54
I thought at the time that the foul on Adams should have been a red. He was was 100% gonna get the ball before the goalie. Shocking decision
100% agree, said this to the guys at the time and they all disagreed which I found strange
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 13:20
IMO two clear penalties for Scotland not given.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 20 Jun 13:45
Still wonder if it might come out that VAR was out of action last night.
Some of those incidents warranted the ref having a second look IMO.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 13:47
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 20 Jun 11:38
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 20 Jun 11:17
Quote:
desparado, Sat 20 Jun 11:07
The ref didnβt think it was foul so no pen.
We were rank. We got beat. End ofβ¦
That first is factually correct but doesn`t stop any of us disagreeing with him. Or are we not allowed opinions anymore?
I strongly disagree we were rank. We started badly but grew into the game and finished relatively strongly, in my opinion.
Doak must start on Wednesday and give them something to think about. We have to start our best players.
Hereβs a question for you, Da. Why not start our best players against Morocco ?
I don`t know and I`m confused why you`re asking me that?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 20 Jun 14:00
I think the McGinn one was a stronger shout that the Mctominay one. He knocks the ball past the man, the man puts his leg across and makes strong enough contact. If that happened at the halfway line heβs giving a foul. He had some other ridiculous decisions, the one where the guy threw his body into Mctominays legs and took him out was just outrageous refereeing.
On the day we just werenβt good enough. I donβt think Morocco put one high ball into the box other than corners, it wasnβt a game for Hanley. Big players like Mctominay have been invisible. Doak has looked our most dangerous outlet for months now, but again he was poor.. beat his man a few times then instead of putting a ball onto the target man in the box he checks back and tries to beat him again. Weβll do well to get out the group now as I fear a 3/4 goal hammering against Brazil. We simply canβt cope with players with pace.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 20 Jun 14:32
That ref was letting those kind of challenges go unpunished the whole game which was fine but unexpected. Wouldnt surprise me if there was a prematch briefing where the var refs were told how he would officiate. I think McGinn`s slightly heavy touch counted against him as he wasn`t getting it before it went out. I do think it was a pen though.
Unlike McTominay`s which reminded me of the Paul Lambert penalty at EEP all those years ago where he chose to go down because he felt contact.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 20 Jun 14:36
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 20 Jun 11:38
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 20 Jun 11:17
Quote:
desparado, Sat 20 Jun 11:07
The ref didnβt think it was foul so no pen.
We were rank. We got beat. End ofβ¦
That first is factually correct but doesn`t stop any of us disagreeing with him. Or are we not allowed opinions anymore?
I strongly disagree we were rank. We started badly but grew into the game and finished relatively strongly, in my opinion.
Doak must start on Wednesday and give them something to think about. We have to start our best players.
Hereβs a question for you, Da. Why not start our best players against Morocco ?
Raymie I believe you`ve played the game at a decent level; surely it`s subjective as to who our best players are and also who the best team for that game would be? Otherwise why would that absolute dummy Oakley Boothe be on from the start in the cup final?
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Sat 20 Jun 14:57
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 20 Jun 14:32
Unlike McTominay`s which reminded me of the Paul Lambert penalty at EEP all those years ago where he chose to go down because he felt contact.
No contact in Lambert`s case.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sat 20 Jun 15:22
Quote:
fcda, Sat 20 Jun 14:57
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 20 Jun 14:32
Unlike McTominay`s which reminded me of the Paul Lambert penalty at EEP all those years ago where he chose to go down because he felt contact.
No contact in Lambert`s case.
And outside the box when the dive started
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 20 Jun 15:39
There was a lot of whinging through the game from us I thought, sitting claiming fouls rather than just getting up and getting on with it.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 15:45
Despite that early lapse in concentration, I think we did okay over the piece against the 5th best team in the world. We could have had a point out of that if VAR had done it`s job and awarded that penalty. Key players like McGinn and McTominay haven`t really played as we know they can so far in this tournament, not much Clarke can do about that. I actually prefer Antony Ralston in a Scotland shirt than Patterson or Hickey, yet to see them have a good game at international level.
I think for all those having a go at Clarke, short memories, we hadn`t qualified for a major final since 1998 when he was appointed in 2019, since then we`ve qualified for the UEFA Euros 2020, been promoted to the UEFA Nations League A, qualified for the UEFA Euros 2024, and qualified for the FIFA World Cup 2026 where we still have a realistic chance to progress. We`ve had some fantastic results along the way, Norway, Spain. Denmark. He`s developed a fantastic team spirit, they are like a club team and got a 47% win ratio.
For everyone that wants rid of him, be careful what you wish for, do you fancy not being back at a major tournament until FIFA World Cup 2054?
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sat 20 Jun 16:00
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red-star-par, Sat 20 Jun 15:45
Despite that early lapse in concentration, I think we did okay over the piece against the 5th best team in the world. We could have had a point out of that if VAR had done it`s job and awarded that penalty. Key players like McGinn and McTominay haven`t really played as we know they can so far in this tournament, not much Clarke can do about that. I actually prefer Antony Ralston in a Scotland shirt than Patterson or Hickey, yet to see them have a good game at international level.
I think for all those having a go at Clarke, short memories, we hadn`t qualified for a major final since 1998 when he was appointed in 2019, since then we`ve qualified for the UEFA Euros 2020, been promoted to the UEFA Nations League A, qualified for the UEFA Euros 2024, and qualified for the FIFA World Cup 2026 where we still have a realistic chance to progress. We`ve had some fantastic results along the way, Norway, Spain. Denmark. He`s developed a fantastic team spirit, they are like a club team and got a 47% win ratio.
For everyone that wants rid of him, be careful what you wish for, do you fancy not being back at a major tournament until FIFA World Cup 2054?
I`d happily take that chance if it meant getting rid of Clarke. We are averaging a shot on target only once every 65 minutes over the Euros and WC so far. That is utterly horrendous. 7 shots on target since we kicked off against Germany.
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Topic Originator: Johanisk
Date: Sat 20 Jun 16:25
Losing a goal within the first couple of minutes.. .
Dubious refereeing and being denied a clear penalty whilst finding it difficult to manage any substantial attacks on goal...
Remind you of any other team?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 16:25
Morocco had two shots on target last night despite all their possession.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 16:31
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Raymie the Legend, Sat 20 Jun 11:43
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SeasonedPar, Sat 20 Jun 10:19
Expectations eh?
We did extremely well to hold the 6th best team in the world to one goal, and might even have sneaked a late equaliser. That might just let us get through in a 3rd spot. If so, job done - qualifying from the section for the first time.
I donβt disagree but this hype over getting out of our group for the first time is a little diluted, imo, by the fact that third place was never good enough for past Scotland teams.
Only 32 teams qualified in the past. We now have 48 teams and 104 matches are played to get us back down to 32.
I think you have to start our best players. No doubt we will have to score at keast one goal against Brazil to come away with at least a point. I thought we should have had a penalty and a sending off for thr foul on Adams. These are unfortunately "what ifs". The bottom line is we need to score and go out on the pitch with that mindset
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sat 20 Jun 17:08
The officials were very inconsistent and awarded fouls against Scotland`s physical tackles whilst denying the very same against.
I was in the stadium and was confident at the time that it was a penalty. Now looking back on it, I am totally π― convinced.
We were a few bad decisions away from gaining a point, possibly even winning that match and it hurts.
Clarke got us to this tournament and I am grateful to him. He has to stay and I don`t support the Clarke-Out Brigade and suspect there reasoning is massively flawed, small-minded and bizarrely ill-timed π
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 20 Jun 17:20
Clarke got his tactics spot on last night.
Go out to attack them first half , we would have lost 3-0 minimum.
I was very heartened by our team spirit second half and the only team holding out by the end were Morocco.
We have to (as fans) realise our level in football terms.
Stevie knows our limitations and played to our strengths.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein PΓ€ckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sat 20 Jun 18:14
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AdamAntsParsStripe, Sat 20 Jun 17:20
Clarke got his tactics spot on last night.
Go out to attack them first half , we would have lost 3-0 minimum.
I was very heartened by our team spirit second half and the only team holding out by the end were Morocco.
We have to (as fans) realise our level in football terms.
Stevie knows our limitations and played to our strengths.
^^^^ 100% This π
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 20 Jun 18:21
I fear Euro 96 again where we miss out by one goal. We need to avoid a spanking against Brazil. If we can keep it down to 1 or 2 then we might scrape through. We did well to avoid a battering after losing an early goal.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 18:24
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Raymie the Legend, Sat 20 Jun 11:43
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SeasonedPar, Sat 20 Jun 10:19
Expectations eh?
We did extremely well to hold the 6th best team in the world to one goal, and might even have sneaked a late equaliser. That might just let us get through in a 3rd spot. If so, job done - qualifying from the section for the first time.
I donβt disagree but this hype over getting out of our group for the first time is a little diluted, imo, by the fact that third place was never good enough for past Scotland teams.
Only 32 teams qualified in the past. We now have 48 teams and 104 matches are played to get us back down to 32.
Wouldnβt argue with that Raymie. Folk on here thinking weβre good enough to go all out against one of the best teams in the world really have no idea. Expectations eh?
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 20 Jun 18:32
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wee eck, Sat 20 Jun 16:25
Morocco had two shots on target last night despite all their possession.
But if we had scored you know they would likely still had enough about them to win.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 20 Jun 18:34
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kozmasrightfoot, Sat 20 Jun 18:21
I fear Euro 96 again where we miss out by one goal. We need to avoid a spanking against Brazil. If we can keep it down to 1 or 2 then we might scrape through. We did well to avoid a battering after losing an early goal.
Yep, been saying the same. Losing by 1 last night was probably the best we could have hoped for but I fear we needed another 1 or 2 against Haiti.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 20 Jun 18:36
For a bit of context during the USA v OZ game , in SH a US defender completely blocked an OZ player in the box using shoulder. Far more contact and force than the challenge on McGinnβ¦..No penβ¦.No VAR..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Jun 18:50
Why were Morocco not trying to increase their lead while it was 1-0, JTH? Didn`t they want to increase their chance of winning the group by improving their goal difference?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 20 Jun 19:09
BBC sport reporting that βthe Referee told McGinn that the penalty was denied as ball was going out of playβ¦. β π€
βBuffyβs Buns are the finest in Fifeβ, J. Spence 2019β
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 19:37
Lol.....getting pushed over tends to make it harder to catch up with the ball!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 20 Jun 19:39
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JTH123, Sat 20 Jun 14:36
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Raymie the Legend, Sat 20 Jun 11:38
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da_no_1, Sat 20 Jun 11:17
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desparado, Sat 20 Jun 11:07
The ref didnβt think it was foul so no pen.
We were rank. We got beat. End ofβ¦
That first is factually correct but doesn`t stop any of us disagreeing with him. Or are we not allowed opinions anymore?
I strongly disagree we were rank. We started badly but grew into the game and finished relatively strongly, in my opinion.
Doak must start on Wednesday and give them something to think about. We have to start our best players.
Hereβs a question for you, Da. Why not start our best players against Morocco ?
Raymie I believe you`ve played the game at a decent level; surely it`s subjective as to who our best players are and also who the best team for that game would be? Otherwise why would that absolute dummy Oakley Boothe be on from the start in the cup final?
It is subjective and there are such things as horses for courses and what you want to achieve from a game. You then have occasions when the manager gets his team selection wrong or the players he picks donβt perform to their levels.
Folks on here will know that I am not a Steve Clarke fan. Heβs a pragmatic and primarily cautious manager. I think the Scots could be a little more adventurous. He is the Scottish version of Gareth Southgate, who did well, to a point. Southgate copped criticism in similar ways to Clarke.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 20 Jun 19:43)
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sat 20 Jun 20:13
McGinn was definitely fouled inside the box, and to me
that`s a penalty all day long. The McTominey one was
50/50, Celtic and Rangers would have been given a
penalty in both incidents. The foul on Adams should
have been a red card, not yellow. Yes we were poor, but
a crap referee doesn`t help.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 21 Jun 11:28
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wee eck, Sat 20 Jun 18:50
Why were Morocco not trying to increase their lead while it was 1-0, JTH? Didn`t they want to increase their chance of winning the group by improving their goal difference?
No idea, big difference between that and going home though...
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 21 Jun 11:43
That makes even less sense. Whatever their motivation they didn`t manage to increase their lead. When you lose an early goal against such a higher ranked team you expect the roof to fall in, so maybe we deserve some credit for staying in the game for so long.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sun 21 Jun 12:04
Greetings from Boston!
Was thoroughly disappointed the other night but what an absolute thrill it still was to watch Scotland play in a World Cup.
Said after the Haiti game that 3 points & 2 low scoring defeats might be enough & with the other results so far, we are definitely still in with a shout.
Boston has been amazing - so sad to leave this morning (7am here)
Clarke out brigade have no chance given he`s just signed a new contract!!
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 21 Jun 13:08
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wee eck, Sun 21 Jun 11:43
That makes even less sense. Whatever their motivation they didn`t manage to increase their lead. When you lose an early goal against such a higher ranked team you expect the roof to fall in, so maybe we deserve some credit for staying in the game for so long.
Of course they deserve credit. It was a decent 2nd half performance and I think McGinn should have got a pen. I felt at the time we were not positive enough but on reflection we were having a go at a time when conceding on the break would have been worse for our prospects than sitting in to defend the 1-0.
At a goal up though, Morocco didn`t need to do anything except keep a clean sheet - unless they conceded. And knowing that they have their easiest group game to come. Even you would concede that`s a bit different to our situation, no?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 21 Jun 13:23
I`m not clear what point you`re making. The way I saw it both teams were trying to score . Morocco had a few chances to finish the game but didn`t take them. I think poor finishing is a weakness of theirs. Apart from the goal they only had one other shot on target.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 21 Jun 14:15
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wee eck, Sun 21 Jun 13:23
I`m not clear what point you`re making. The way I saw it both teams were trying to score . Morocco had a few chances to finish the game but didn`t take them. I think poor finishing is a weakness of theirs. Apart from the goal they only had one other shot on target.
Wow! I wish we were as weak as them!
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 21 Jun 14:41
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SusieQ, Sun 21 Jun 12:04
Greetings from Boston!
Was thoroughly disappointed the other night but what an absolute thrill it still was to watch Scotland play in a World Cup.
Said after the Haiti game that 3 points & 2 low scoring defeats might be enough & with the other results so far, we are definitely still in with a shout.
Boston has been amazing - so sad to leave this morning (7am here)
Clarke out brigade have no chance given he`s just signed a new contract!!
^^^ In Boston too SQ
Are you heading down to Miami ?
Boston was absolutely buzzing and an eternal love affair has been ignited between the Scots and Bostonians
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sun 21 Jun 15:04
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DunfyDave, Sun 21 Jun 14:41
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SusieQ, Sun 21 Jun 12:04
Greetings from Boston!
Was thoroughly disappointed the other night but what an absolute thrill it still was to watch Scotland play in a World Cup.
Said after the Haiti game that 3 points & 2 low scoring defeats might be enough & with the other results so far, we are definitely still in with a shout.
Boston has been amazing - so sad to leave this morning (7am here)
Clarke out brigade have no chance given he`s just signed a new contract!!
^^^ In Boston too SQ
Are you heading down to Miami ?
Boston was absolutely buzzing and an eternal love affair has been ignited between the Scots and Bostonians
Unfortunately not - Cologne & now Boston - we could have triplet cities haha ππ₯³ππΌπ΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ ΏππΌ
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 21 Jun 15:28
I`m absolutely kicking myself for not going now. Didn`t think anything could top Germany, but Boston certainly has. π«π«
Got a pal from Cleveland, who I met in London for the Brown's game last year, and he messaged me to say that, he had to go and sample the TA in Boston after seeing all the fun that was happening. He had an absolute ball.
Another pal from Milwaukee, was absolutely loving seeing the cones on the statues. There's a statue of the Fonz there and she's determined to put a cone on it lol. If there's a statue that deserves a cone, it has to be The Fonz.
Great job, y'all πππ΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώπ΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ
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