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Topic Originator: LiviPar
Date: Sun 28 Jun 00:34
Just said on ITV that steve clarke has resigned?
Post Edited (Sun 28 Jun 00:34)
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 28 Jun 00:35
WOW đł
I did not see that coming
Who next đ¤đ
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 28 Jun 00:39
Issues with the media apparently.
Get big Ange
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 28 Jun 00:40
Yup. BBC have confirmed it.
âBuffyâs Buns are the finest in Fifeâ, J. Spence 2019â
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Topic Originator: DrumRoad
Date: Sun 28 Jun 00:51
Makes ANOTHER sad ending to a WC campaign even sadder
I will take a while to get over our painful drawn out exit
Letâs hope the Pars cheer me up with a great start to our Premier League push this coming season
I feel stranded in Miami & cannae wait to get home đ˘đ
Where on earth will Scotland look to now to lift the team (& hopefully make a raft of positive player changes?) a proper team reset of both players & mindset is neededâŚâŚâŚpffft
2022/23 League one Winners
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sun 28 Jun 00:56
Get Berti Vogts back!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 28 Jun 00:57
Thanks and good luck to Steve Clarke. Two Euro campaigns and two world cup campaigns is quite enough for any national manager regardless is success. Ange would be a great appointment but will never happen. Don`t think he`d want it not could we afford the multi millions he`d command.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sun 28 Jun 00:58
He`s taken the fall, but I don`t think his tactics or team selections are why we have failed again, this is all on the players who just did not perform.
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Topic Originator: BlackLight
Date: Sun 28 Jun 01:05
He`s an honest guy and he knows what went wrong. He had a new contract and he could have stuck with it, but he chose to go (probably).
It`s time for a new manager to build a new squad. SC got us to the championships, but he couldn`t get us any further. Can anyone else do any better?
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sun 28 Jun 01:08
Certain players did not perform at all, others struggled because of no support. Scottish football suffers because of the OF THE SFA AND SPFL.
Sorry Steve you tried hard with Limited resources, but it was right to go
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sun 28 Jun 01:23
And what of the clowns at the SFA who gave him the contract before the finals, who are happy with Gemmil at u21 despite 10 years of failure, and bend the domestic game to suit 1 club in particular. No doubt nothing..
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sun 28 Jun 01:39
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 28 Jun 00:57
Thanks and good luck to Steve Clarke. Two Euro campaigns and two world cup campaigns is quite enough for any national manager regardless is success. Ange would be a great appointment but will never happen. Don`t think he`d want it not could we afford the multi millions he`d command.
Could you really see Ange Ball being a success with our squad?
Not really that good with teams who arent top level
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 28 Jun 01:44
He always wins a trophy in his second year though so we`d be winning the euros.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sun 28 Jun 01:48
Ooft never saw that coming on the back of his new contract.
Wasn`t in the Clarke out brigade as I said on the other thread but can`t say I`m disappointed.
Be interesting to see who comes in now to lift everyone again.
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sun 28 Jun 01:49
Thanks for getting us to 2 major tournaments in a row, it`s been a blast (until the actual main event). Got to give the guy credit for quitting as I think that means that he won`t get a pay off??? I don`t think the SFA would have sacked him, not because they`d have to fork out a small fortune but because their is no obvious replacement that will automatically make us better.
The Scotland job is a bit of a poisoned chalice so I can`t see us getting anybody that will excite the fans. In all honesty, I doubt even Guardiola or Klopp would make us any better. We simply don`t have much in the way of quality players.
I`d see if Harry Redknapp wants to come out of retirement. If Pochettino was available I`d fancy shovelling cash his way but I couldn`t see him wanting the gig. It`ll be a recently out of work SPL manager.
No way Moyes will quit the EPL for the national team.
Graham Potter if he gets the sack, no thank you.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: DunPar
Date: Sun 28 Jun 03:27
I donât think the criticism of Steve Clarke (from elsewhere, not in the posts here so far) are merited. Alex Ferguson couldnât get us past the first round with Sounness, Strachan, Archibald, Narey, Miller, Cooper etc. what chance did Clarke have with our current crop ? But our players let themselves and our country down. They certainly didnât give the best account of themselves - even without being world class.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 28 Jun 06:34
I can`t see Ange being interested, to be honest.
He`s managed an international side alreadyâAustralia. He transformed a moderate group of players into a technically strong, attack-oriented side that won the Asian Cup and emerged from a very tough qualifying group to reach the World Cup finals in Russia.
On the plus side, he knows Scotland well, is generally liked in the country, and it would be a hell of a coup for the SFA if they did manage to bring him in. He would certainly put an end to the Largs Mafia and rebuild Scotland in a very different manner.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 28 Jun 07:03
Excellent. I expect us to find our level with being unable to attract anybody of note.
A poorer manager and a poor set of players is just what we need.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 28 Jun 07:22
I thank him for the memories of getting to major tournaments - the draw with England in Euros, a week in Germany culminating in Switzerland game, that Denmark game will live forever in my mind.
But you cant win 1 in 9 games at the tournaments and expect to keep on going.
Not sure who will come in next - but do think after qualifying for 3 of the last 4 major tourns we are no longer the âpoisoned chaliceâ people think we are.
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Sun 28 Jun 07:33
This just feels like 98. Brown hounded out after being successful in getting us to tournaments, hopefully we don`t spend decades in the doldrums again.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 28 Jun 08:04
The squad is going to need a rebuild given the age of some of our players, so it may take time, regardless of who is manager, donât believe Clarke is the right man for this new challenge.
Right decision, shame he left on a sour note, both competition wise and with the media but wish him all the best for future.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sun 28 Jun 08:14
Hopefully a couple of players follow suit. Things need to change.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sun 28 Jun 08:15
I get the impression thatâs heâs realised that a number of the squad have reached the end of their international careers and some of the more reliable players have let him down during the tournament.
Whether or not the squad weâre following his instructions or not is a different matter.
All the best for the future Steve.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 28 Jun 08:42
He`s never enjoyed the PR part of the job and the media circus which surrounds the team, so the hysteria which has ensued after our exit from the WC has probably persuaded him now is the right time to go. I can`t say I blame him.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 28 Jun 09:04
Its far too simplistic to say that SC is responsible for the poor performances. Its far more complex than that.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 28 Jun 09:08
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 28 Jun 08:42
He`s never enjoyed the PR part of the job and the media circus which surrounds the team, so the hysteria which has ensued after our exit from the WC has probably persuaded him now is the right time to go. I can`t say I blame him.
Sorry, but the media is a massive part of a managers job these days. If you cant stand it, you shouldnât be in the job. The âhysteriaâ was justified for his contempt for this part of his job.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 28 Jun 09:19
So you agree he did the right thing by resigning?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 28 Jun 09:31
Lesser teams are playing quicker, more modern football, the change was needed imo.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 28 Jun 09:35
Quote:
rikaka, Sun 28 Jun 07:33
This just feels like 98. Brown hounded out after being successful in getting us to tournaments, hopefully we don`t spend decades in the doldrums again.
Craig Brown wasnât hounded out after France 98. He stayed on for 2 more unsuccessful qualifying campaigns.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 28 Jun 10:00
As I said on the No Scotland No Party Podcast,our World Cup problems are all on Steve Clarke for me, but Iâm genuinely shocked he walked away, and although Iâm nervous about whoâs next, I do think itâs the right decision. Clarke was the right man at the right time, but I also think itâs the right time to hand over the reigns as the dynamic of the squad is changing and heâll always have his tournament failures hanging over his head.
He gave me some of the most enjoyable nights following the national team and Iâll always be greatful to him for the job he did and getting Hampden full again. Itâs shouldnât be overlooked the absolute mess he took over from. However, attending games have been a snoozefest recently and it was moments that got us to the World Cup, not performances. I was dreading the Nations League campaign and the subsequent Euro Qualifiers under him.
Moving forward, I donât know who will get it. Prior to his move to Rangers, I would have said McInness and would have been delighted with that, but it ainât going to happen. I hear people saying Ange, I would love that but doubt itâs realisticâŚ..so who?? I think the only realistic option within Scottish football at the moment is McGlynn, or we go down the foreign route as even the Scots who are managing south of the border are out of our reach at the moment, for one reason or another. Iâd rather not go foreign, it never sits easy with me that you have to be Scottish or have Scottish heritage to play for the country, but anyone can manage usâŚit just doesnât sit right and Iâd just rather not.
Interesting next chapter ahead đ´ó §ó ˘ó łó Łó ´ó ż
Loving You, Is In My DNA
Post Edited (Sun 28 Jun 11:51)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 28 Jun 10:21
I`d give McGlynn a go. He`s certainly got the right credentials
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 28 Jun 10:38
It will be the same conversation in 40 years time as it has been over the last 40 years unless there is a fundamental change in the culture in football in Scotland. 10 managers down the line it will still be the same.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Ronaldo
Date: Sun 28 Jun 10:41
It`s a no-brainer for me ... the SFA must move heaven and earth to get Roberto MartĂnez. Portugal contract about to expire.
Post Edited (Sun 28 Jun 10:45)
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sun 28 Jun 11:08
He turned Hampden from a half empty stadium into a cauldron of noise. He gave us brilliant nights and unforgettable experiences. In time, qualifying for the World Cup could become another unforgettable memory.
Sometimes, though, you have to accept where you are. Do I think we`re good enough to qualify? I`m not so sure.
I hope I`m wrong, but when you look at the list of potential successors, I can`t help but worry about the upcoming qualifying campaign.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 28 Jun 11:53
Scottish football will always be in the doldrums while everything is controlled by two clubs and people who will bend over backwards to ensure those two clubs are protected.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 28 Jun 12:00
To be honest Iâm not against McGlynn either.
Donât think Ange (putting aside if he was at all interested) would work, his ethos is leading from the front and aggressive attacking football, we just donât have the calibre of players to do that so canât see the benefit in him.
Post Edited (Sun 28 Jun 12:00)
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 28 Jun 12:23
McGlynn, really??
International experience, European experience??
No disrespect to what heâs done at Falkirk, but thatâs such a parochial suggestion!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 28 Jun 12:37
McGinnâŚ. Deary me.
I think they will go after MoyesâŚ
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft21346327964
Date: Sun 28 Jun 12:53
I do find it funny the people saying to get ange in all over Facebook there would be something quite funny to see grant hanley playing a high line we just donât have the legs at the back to achieve it look at how at Tottenham ange had the fastest defender in the league at centre back and was still leaking goals
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sun 28 Jun 12:58
There genuinely doesn`t seem to be any realistic suitable Scottish managers available.
I always thought Moyes would be a shoo in once he is done with Everton - too early though, I don`t think anyone is leaving the English Prem to manage Scotland.
I kind of wanted Clarke to stay on, but I recognise our record in the finals have been grim. The truth is, that`s the story of Scotland - I`ve just finished Archie McPherson`s book on Scotland in the WC, and my own thoughts are, it`s all excuses , at all the tournaments it`s our own fault- either not as good as we think we are, or basic errors in preparation
We have a real problem too with the lack of quality younger players coming through.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sun 28 Jun 12:59
I would take my time and cast a wide net across the continent and appoint an interim manager for Nations League if necessary while we find the best person for the job.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Sun 28 Jun 13:11
I think we all recognise that whether or not Clarke had stayed in post, a major rebuild of the team is needed - it`s been a bridge too far for the present squad.
One problem is that unless we are fantastically lucky (and with Scotland`s history that is unlikely) the younger players coming in will pick up a string of defeats, which would see us tumble down the FIFA ratings and make it even more difficult for future qualifications.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Sun 28 Jun 13:13
Moyes style is worse than Clarkes - the TA will hate that. Will be another case of Death by Social Media.
Postecoglou won`t have enough coaching time to implement the style he wants successfully.
I`d maybe look at someone like Thomas Frank.
I have heard a name though from someone in the ranks of who the SFA really admite and if it is that person, it`s not going to go down well at all.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sun 28 Jun 13:22
Think Clarke and sfa assumed we would qualify hence his extension, failed along with media Anger, and he realised it`s time to go
Now we need sfa and spfl to get a grip and improve things
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 28 Jun 13:22
Remember Michael OâNeill turned us down before Clarke got the job. Weâll struggle to attract any big names.
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Topic Originator: maradona86
Date: Sun 28 Jun 13:24
Lennons name being thrown about on a few forums
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Sun 28 Jun 13:29
Quote:
Connor560, Sun 28 Jun 13:13
Moyes style is worse than Clarkes - the TA will hate that. Will be another case of Death by Social Media.
Postecoglou won`t have enough coaching time to implement the style he wants successfully.
I`d maybe look at someone like Thomas Frank.
I have heard a name though from someone in the ranks of who the SFA really admite and if it is that person, it`s not going to go down well at all.
Youâll need to mention the name nowâŚ
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 28 Jun 13:46
Quote:
maradona86, Sun 28 Jun 13:24
Lennons name being thrown about on a few forums
I think that`s one of my biggest fears about all this....
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 28 Jun 14:07
Quote:
Connor560, Sun 28 Jun 13:13
Moyes style is worse than Clarkes - the TA will hate that. Will be another case of Death by Social Media.
Postecoglou won`t have enough coaching time to implement the style he wants successfully.
I`d maybe look at someone like Thomas Frank.
I have heard a name though from someone in the ranks of who the SFA really admite and if it is that person, it`s not going to go down well at all.
Gareth Southgate? đ
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sun 28 Jun 14:07
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Sun 28 Jun 12:59
I would take my time and cast a wide net across the continent and appoint an interim manager for Nations League if necessary while we find the best person for the job.
100%
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 28 Jun 14:13
Itâs going to be a big rebuild for whoever comes in.
Heâs not built for the future. Hickey at 23 and Doak at 20, are by far our youngest players with any minutes behind them.
it reminds me of when Ferguson bowed out at Man U
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sun 28 Jun 14:38
Ange and Moyes won`t be interested, as both could get jobs of a much higher calibre. It`s a real predicament for the SFA as to where we go from here.
Clarke did what was asked of him, which was to qualify for tournaments, and the SFA welcomed the financial boost that qualification brought.
As a Scotland fan for many years, I just don`t think we`re capable of playing the exciting, attacking football that so many seem to crave.
With a squad in which many players have probably played their last major tournament, and an Under 21 side that can`t even qualify for major tournaments, I look to the future of the national team with a great deal of scepticism.
I think we`ve had our time, and I fear we could be heading back to the years before Clarke, when failing to qualify for tournaments became the norm.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: QPR_Par
Date: Sun 28 Jun 14:51
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 28 Jun 14:07
Quote:
Connor560, Sun 28 Jun 13:13
Moyes style is worse than Clarkes - the TA will hate that. Will be another case of Death by Social Media.
Postecoglou won`t have enough coaching time to implement the style he wants successfully.
I`d maybe look at someone like Thomas Frank.
I have heard a name though from someone in the ranks of who the SFA really admite and if it is that person, it`s not going to go down well at all.
Gareth Southgate? đ
I have a horrible feeling itâs Malky McKay.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sun 28 Jun 14:56
Lennon would be a decent appointment. Although it would be crap for us.
One of the big criticisms I have of Clarke is his slowness to make changes during games. Lennon does try to make tactical changes quickly if something obviously isn`t working.
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Topic Originator: Bovril Man
Date: Sun 28 Jun 15:02
If non-Scots are to be considered, Iâll throw a name out there: Graham Arnold.
He somehow guided Iraq to this yearâs WC, has previously gotten Oz out the groups to the round of 16, and has had a very successful club management career.
As someone who has watched both Angeâs and Arnieâs teams here in the A-League, I think Arnie is slightly the better coach. My 2c worth.
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Topic Originator: Clapham Par
Date: Sun 28 Jun 15:17
I don`t imagine it`s remotely likely to be any fantasy football managers like Ange, Frank, etc.
Given Moyes` comments on the current squad capabilities and the lack of talent coming through there is no way I see him packing in a PL job for Scotland.
You`d like to think that the SFA would know the reaction of the fans if they even think a Malky McKay type appointment.
Lennon will be purely football forum talk. Whilst he`s close to our hearts just now with the Pars connection can you imagine the reaction from the other side of Glasgow? SFA would need to be crackers.
So who? Not a scooby. Darren Fletcher?
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Sun 28 Jun 16:11
Quote:
jake89, Sun 28 Jun 11:53
Scottish football will always be in the doldrums while everything is controlled by two clubs and people who will bend over backwards to ensure those two clubs are protected.
I could not agree more, until a more fairer league set up and distribution of funds in achieved we will always be the whipping boys internationally. Domestically the top league is only a cartel, nothing to do with football excellence, only there to promote as much old firm hate fests as possible.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 28 Jun 16:49
Quote:
par58, Sun 28 Jun 16:11
Quote:
jake89, Sun 28 Jun 11:53
Scottish football will always be in the doldrums while everything is controlled by two clubs and people who will bend over backwards to ensure those two clubs are protected.
I could not agree more, until a more fairer league set up and distribution of funds in achieved we will always be the whipping boys internationally. Domestically the top league is only a cartel, nothing to do with football excellence, only there to promote as much old firm hate fests as possible.
^^^ The league format needs complete over-haul and the SPL and SFA need incentives to play and promote Scottish players.
An AI search shows that the Pars have 73% of their players are Scottish whilst Celtic have 3 and Rangers 2 and this needs addressed.
Additionally there are 20+ Scots in the EPL and 8 in the Italian League.
The Scottish premiership needs expanding to 20 to allow smaller teams more opportunity to play at a more competitive level.
The old firm monopoly need to be broken.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 28 Jun 16:59
Quote:
maradona86, Sun 28 Jun 13:24
Lennons name being thrown about on a few forums
If he wasnât manager of my club, I would probably be all for this. Heâs exactly the type of person that we need and he can adapt with the players he has. Lennon would be idealâŚ.but Iâm not ready to lose him yet!
Loving You, Is In My DNA
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 28 Jun 17:31
If the Scottish Premiership was more competitive would it be likely to produce better quality players? Most leagues in Europe are dominated by two or, at most three, clubs and they seem to produce more international class players than we do.
We do seem to recruit an awful lot of players from abroad now but are they hindering the development of the top Scottish youngsters? Won`t the cream still rise to the top? Some of the best Scots seem to get picked up early by Engish or maybe even continental clubs but isn`t this likely to help them develop rather than hinder them?
This situation`s been the same for years and we`ve never got to the bottom of it. There`s also the argument that Scottish kids are less active and spend more time on compuetrs and other devices but are they really any different from kids all over the world?
I do find it odd that clubs like ours no longer have a competitive reserve team. The need to have a 20-man first team matchday squad probably means having a full squad of at least 25 but there`s no way they`re all going to get regular game time. The whole syatem seems crazy.
Post Edited (Sun 28 Jun 17:34)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 28 Jun 18:47
"This situation`s been the same for years and we`ve never got to the bottom of it. There`s also the argument that Scottish kids are less active and spend more time on compuetrs and other devices but are they really any different from kids all over the world?"
In a worldwide survey in 2020, kids aged 10 - 15 from 38 countries were asked lots of health related questions. They were then ranked according to how healthy they were. Scotland came 38th. The survey found that Scottish kids sleep less than those from other countries and undertake less physical exercise. They were top for screen time, however... đą
"I do find it odd that clubs like ours no longer have a competitive reserve team. The need to have a 20-man first team matchday squad probably means having a full squad of at least 25 but there`s no way they`re all going to get regular game time. The whole syatem seems crazy."
I couldn`t agree with you more, wee eck. It would be far more beneficial for youngsters to play against men in reserve games than play other youngsters in youth games.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Sun 28 Jun 19:03
Big dunc would be my choice but that would require him and the sfa to put aside their differences which I canny see happening tbh if itâs malky McKay then weâd be as well no bothering with international football because we would be going backwards at an alarming rate of knots
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sun 28 Jun 19:08
I`m just surprised bid Leish hasn`t been mentioned yet đ
Oops đł
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 28 Jun 19:28
One man with a Pars` connection who has been mentioned is Alex Neil, manager of Millwall.
What is big Dunc doing now apart from pontificating about the WC on ITV? Wasn`t his last job helping to get ICT relegated to League 1?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 28 Jun 19:32
Big Dunc is the absolute wildest shout yet so congrats for that.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sun 28 Jun 19:32)
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sun 28 Jun 20:05
A fair few lower ranked teams made it through the group stages, fair enough we had 2 top 10 sides in our group but look at Cape Verde. Not one of their players is playing anywhere near the top level but they somehow manage to hold 2nd ranked Spain to a draw and scored 2 against the 16th ranked Uruguay and saw their group phase out unbeaten. The new manager needs to study how these lower ranked teams play against bigger teams, as they`re clearly doing something different from us.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 28 Jun 20:07
Got a bad feeling they will appoint a bland Neil McCann type of manager.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 28 Jun 20:25
Watching the S Africa v Canada game just now, you`ve got to acknowledge that teams from Africa, North and Central America and Asia have improved significantly over recent years and left some of the countries from more traditional footballing areas, like Scotland, behind.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 28 Jun 20:30
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wee eck, Sun 28 Jun 20:25
Watching the S Africa v Canada game just now, you`ve got to acknowledge that teams from Africa, North and Central America and Asia have improved significantly over recent years and left some of the countries from more traditional footballing areas, like Scotland, behind.
South Africa doing just fine so far
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 28 Jun 20:37
Wouldnât be surprised if Darren Fletcher is under consideration as well.
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Sun 28 Jun 21:13
Whilst other countries are improving,Surely the Weather conditions need to be taken into account?. How many of us were struggling with the heat a gew days ago, never mind trying to play fitba in it.....and against players acclimatised to it.?
Still think it best for him to quit. Way too defensive.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Sun 28 Jun 21:31
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da_no_1, Sun 28 Jun 19:32
Big Dunc is the absolute wildest shout yet so congrats for that.
Cheers mate đ¤Łđ¤Ł
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sun 28 Jun 21:41
I always thought football was about playing the game with the players you have and their strengths on the pitch?
If your strength is getting the ball up top rather than the PEP playing out from the back then get it up the pitch? At least itâs in the opposition half and work from thereâŚ
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sun 28 Jun 21:50
Pandora`s box.
Now the name of Big Dunc has been uttered anything else will be a disappointment.
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Topic Originator: rsmith
Date: Sun 28 Jun 21:50
Pep is available, said his next job will be an international team. Letâs see how good he really is đ
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 28 Jun 22:12
Brendan Rogers?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sun 28 Jun 22:13
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 28 Jun 22:12
Brendan Rogers?
Not a bad shout Raymie
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 28 Jun 22:40
I don`t think we will be able to attract a manager of any great standing in the game. Who would want the job? It`s an aging squad, and there are no real young talents coming through. The fans that wanted rid of Clarke got their wish, now we will have a conveyor belt of managers that can`t get us to a major tournament. We might grace a World Cup again by 2054
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 28 Jun 22:41
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 28 Jun 22:12
Brendan Rogers?
The SFA have to cast the net. I don`t the fans will accept a cheap option. Getting to the last 3 tournaments must`ve made them tens of millions.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 28 Jun 22:42
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red-star-par, Sun 28 Jun 22:40
I don`t think we will be able to attract a manager of any great standing in the game. Who would want the job? It`s an aging squad, and there are no real young talents coming through. The fans that wanted rid of Clarke got their wish, now we will have a conveyor belt of managers that can`t get us to a major tournament. We might grace a World Cup again by 2054
If the right money is offered managers will always be up for it. Mad to say otherwise.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sun 28 Jun 22:45
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red-star-par, Sun 28 Jun 22:40
The fans that wanted rid of Clarke got their wish, now we will have a conveyor belt of managers that can`t get us to a major tournament.
Of course there is every possibility that, had Clarke stayed on, he might have struggled to get us to another major tournament.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 28 Jun 22:48
Quote:
neilholland999, Sun 28 Jun 22:45
Quote:
red-star-par, Sun 28 Jun 22:40
The fans that wanted rid of Clarke got their wish, now we will have a conveyor belt of managers that can`t get us to a major tournament.
Of course there is every possibility that, had Clarke stayed on, he might have struggled to get us to another major tournament.
It`ll almost be harder to not qualify for the next Euros with the backstop co-host places.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 28 Jun 22:56
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 28 Jun 22:12
Brendan Rogers?
Heâs on tax-free megabucks in Saudi is he not?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 28 Jun 23:02
Heâs not short of money. He might fancy coming out of the wilderness?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 29 Jun 10:29
Neil Lennon, bookies early favourite?
Few news sites running with it.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 29 Jun 10:39
Lennon at 33/1.
<https://www.bet365.com/?bet=1#/AC/B1/C172/D1/E135516837/F2/P1>
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 29 Jun 11:20
He seems happy with his decision with no regrets. Maybe his knowledgfe and experience could be put to good use elsewhere in the SFA?
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Mon 29 Jun 11:41
Still gutted. Best manager Scotland has had. 3 tournaments in a row compared with 28 years since we qualified for a world cup.
Not convinced those who helped boot him out undestand how long that is. Those of us over 70 who were lucky enough to get to tournaments almost ever 4 years do.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Mon 29 Jun 11:45
I`m sure there will be s bigger list, bug of the current early favourite contenders I fancy Ange or the Danish bloke. I can`t guess the wages of the Dane but big Ange will be s bit too pricey. Names like Naismith, Neil McCann, and P1shy broon shoes give me the fear.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 29 Jun 11:55
Predictably, the SFA are getting it in the neck already before the recruitment process for his successor has even started. They`re getting no credit for appointing SC at a time when we hadn`t qualified for a major tournament for over 20 years and he managed it 3 times in 7 years.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Mon 29 Jun 12:26
Quote:
Hoolie, Sun 28 Jun 21:41
I always thought football was about playing the game with the players you have and their strengths on the pitch?
If your strength is getting the ball up top rather than the PEP playing out from the back then get it up the pitch? At least itâs in the opposition half and work from thereâŚ
Spot on!
Loving You, Is In My DNA
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Mon 29 Jun 13:08
Thank goodness he`s gone . I just hope we get rid of his prehistoric brand of fitba as well . Even tho they didn`t make it to the finals , both Wales and Ireland play a quicker , more attacking style of fitba than us , and i`m sure would have made more of an impression in the finals than we did if they`d had the same luck (yes luck) in qualification that we did .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 29 Jun 13:18
Was it bad luck that kept us from qualifying for 28 years? Luck usually works in both directions.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 29 Jun 13:42
"Thank goodness he`s gone . I just hope we get rid of his prehistoric brand of fitba as well . Even tho they didn`t make it to the finals , both Wales and Ireland play a quicker , more attacking style of fitba than us , and i`m sure would have made more of an impression in the finals than we did if they`d had the same luck (yes luck) in qualification that we did."
Clarke has taken Killie to 3rd place in the Premier League, been appointed to the Scotland job, qualified for 3 tournaments and resigned - all since Ireland last qualified for anything. Not sure they`ll be quite as smug about their style of play in comparison to ours.
Post Edited (Mon 29 Jun 13:43)
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Topic Originator: Leamington_sPAR
Date: Mon 29 Jun 16:56
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DA-go Par Adonis, Mon 29 Jun 13:42
"Thank goodness he`s gone . I just hope we get rid of his prehistoric brand of fitba as well . Even tho they didn`t make it to the finals , both Wales and Ireland play a quicker , more attacking style of fitba than us , and i`m sure would have made more of an impression in the finals than we did if they`d had the same luck (yes luck) in qualification that we did."
Clarke has taken Killie to 3rd place in the Premier League, been appointed to the Scotland job, qualified for 3 tournaments and resigned - all since Ireland last qualified for anything. Not sure they`ll be quite as smug about their style of play in comparison to ours.
Itâs also interesting to see that when Clarke took over as manager Scotland were 44th in the FIFA ranking. We came into this WC at 42nd. Seems to suggest we have basically stood still this past 7 years!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Jun 17:23
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pacifist, Mon 29 Jun 11:41
Still gutted. Best manager Scotland has had. 3 tournaments in a row compared with 28 years since we qualified for a world cup.
Not convinced those who helped boot him out undestand how long that is. Those of us over 70 who were lucky enough to get to tournaments almost ever 4 years do.
Can`t argue with his record, but he`s had a pretty solid set of players so was it all to do with his coaching? Could another manager have done better?
The squad certainly could have done better and, as has been said for years, we need to be developing players. What are the SFA and Scottish Government doing to encourage more kids into sport? How could the SFA and SPFL improve competition in the Scottish leagues given most prospective Scotland players will start at their local club or regional academy? Quite a few of them current crop of players won`t see the next world cup so who is coming in to replace them? It`s great to see the likes of Tod getting a chance to train with the Scotland team but what else is being done to encourage and developer Scottish players?
Finally, how can we chuck Celtic and Rangers out of Scotland? No doubt Rangers will ruin Shankland and he`ll end up at a run of the mill English championship team.
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:53
Who figured out how to use McTominay in an attacking role?
Who figured out how to use Robertson and Tierney at the same time?
Clarke got the most from this group of players.
Scotland was hosed at the WC draw, having to play 3 non-Euro teams, all of which are comfortable in hot and humid weather and 2 in the top 10. Also, drawn to play Haiti first didnât help â unlike Senegal, which got to play Iraq after playing France and Norway.
The odds of Scotland getting to 4 pts were very long. And yet they almost did it against Morocco, except we were undone by the ref who called fouls only if the defender didnât attempt to play the ball. Clarke and the players did as well as could be expected.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 3 Jul 18:35
Well it wont be Ange - confirmed as mew manager of Al Nasr in Saudi.
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Fri 3 Jul 20:43
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Parsweep, Mon 29 Jun 13:08
Thank goodness he`s gone . I just hope we get rid of his prehistoric brand of fitba as well . Even tho they didn`t make it to the finals , both Wales and Ireland play a quicker , more attacking style of fitba than us , and i`m sure would have made more of an impression in the finals than we did if they`d had the same luck (yes luck) in qualification that we did .
Your right Scotland are blessed with international level attacking players..... 3 tournament finals out of 4.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 3 Jul 20:53
How do the Aussies look so quick and threatening going forward when we donât? Are we saying that Jackson Irvines a better player than John McGinn?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 3 Jul 21:09
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Dave_1885, Fri 3 Jul 20:53
How do the Aussies look so quick and threatening going forward when we donât? Are we saying that Jackson Irvines a better player than John McGinn?
Based on their performances at this World Cup? Yes. McGinn had a stinker of a tournament, can`t blame Steve Clarke for players not putting in a good performance once they go on the park
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Fri 3 Jul 22:31
Big Ange , will not be the Scotland manager as he goes to Al -Nassr Champions in Saudi Pro League on 2 year contract , 5 million a year .
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 4 Jul 00:01
Folk in here saying we should be playing like teams that didnât qualify. We won our group but youâd rather we didnât qualifyâŚ
I just donât get that thinking at all.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 4 Jul 00:09
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 3 Jul 21:09
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Dave_1885, Fri 3 Jul 20:53
How do the Aussies look so quick and threatening going forward when we donât? Are we saying that Jackson Irvines a better player than John McGinn?
Based on their performances at this World Cup? Yes. McGinn had a stinker of a tournament, can`t blame Steve Clarke for players not putting in a good performance once they go on the park
He can be blamed if his tactics are to play a certain way that brings on errors and pressure.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 4 Jul 00:45
Australia never had to play teams higher ranked than Morocco and Brazil and when they did play a top 10 team in USA (10th). They lost 2-0.
Post Edited (Sat 04 Jul 00:47)
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 4 Jul 00:53
``I just hope we get rid of his prehistoric brand of fitba as well . Even tho they didn`t make it to the finals``
Absolute nonsense Parsweep.
It`s about making it to the finals. It`s like saying you don`t want Pars to get promoted if they are not going to play attacking football.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 4 Jul 01:30
Cape Verde showing the way.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 4 Jul 09:54
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 3 Jul 20:53
How do the Aussies look so quick and threatening going forward when we donât? Are we saying that Jackson Irvines a better player than John McGinn?
Because they have the players to do it and we don`t. McGinn was mince at both Euro 2024 and the 2026 World Cup.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 4 Jul 10:27
Bobby Williamson, the 64-year-old who has had spells as head coach of Kenya and Uganda, has put himself forward to lead a Scotland coaching dream team that would include Ally McCoist, Scott Brown and Kevin Thomson. (Scottish Sun, external)
I heard him on the radio this morning and had to check it wasn`t April 1.
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sat 4 Jul 11:59
What does Kevin Thomson do for a living now? He only managed in 1 season and that was Kelty 5 years ago !
Did he really make a lot as a player? Let`s hope so.
Seems to just list guys that have failed at every job so badly they are now unemployable except as pundits, or not worked in years.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 4 Jul 12:13
I think Kevin Thomson has his own coaching academy.
Bobby Williamson`s main claim to fame was his quote when manager of Hibs - `If the fans want entertainment they should go to the cinema`!
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 4 Jul 15:24
Quote:
neils, Sat 4 Jul 11:59
What does Kevin Thomson do for a living now? He only managed in 1 season and that was Kelty 5 years ago !
Did he really make a lot as a player? Let`s hope so.
Seems to just list guys that have failed at every job so badly they are now unemployable except as pundits, or not worked in years.
He appears regularly on a few podcasts. Nobody over the age of 16 should be calling football "footy." That rule definitely applies to the Scotland manager.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sun 5 Jul 00:59
Media started to mention Lennon for the jobâŚ.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 5 Jul 11:12
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Higgys Mohawk, Sun 5 Jul 00:59
Media started to mention Lennon for the jobâŚ.
NL said we need a Scot. He said he is only half Scottish. I hope he stays on this season and builds the team tgat gets us into the Premiership. Arguably more satisfying as I dont see much success with Scotland TBH.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 5 Jul 12:22
Going by my select bunch of friends, Lenny divides opinion to put it mildly.
Imagine it would be a million times worse if he was given the Scotland job.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 5 Jul 12:33
Aye, he said he didn`t think SC was treated fairly by the media so I doubt he`d fancy taking over.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 5 Jul 13:37
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da_no_1, Sun 5 Jul 12:22
Going by my select bunch of friends, Lenny divides opinion to put it mildly.
Imagine it would be a million times worse if he was given the Scotland job.
I think he says it how it is, and thats probably taken different ways. Its not what everyone wants to hear, but at the end of the day, honesty and transparency have improved a number of players career opportunities who want to progress. At least you know where you stand.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Sat 15 Aug 15:03
Sebastian Pocognoli who guided Union Saint-Gilloise to their first title in 90 years under the Jamestown analytics model before moving to Monaco now front runner and announcement due "very soon" believed it could be as early as Monday
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 15 Aug 15:54
Never heard of him but a quick check shows that he has only been manager at top level for two seasonsâŚâŚ..Hardly experienced at club level never mind international level. Big gamble if true.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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