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 Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 6 Nov 08:34

What a surprise…..Not. Millions upon millions for hee haw.

Need some blue tents up at Buck house….

What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Wed 6 Nov 08:51

Public services on its knees and this family are bleeding hundreds of millions from the purse strings…….yet they still have the backing of the people who think its Labours fault 😂🤦🏻‍♂️
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 6 Nov 11:32

aye but the man in the castle is telling you how we end homelessness

https://www.itv.com/watch/prince-william:-we-can-end-homelessness/10a4956

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 6 Nov 13:10

Making a packet charging the NHS for parking space and the RNLI for the use of slipways. They really are the scum of the earth. At least the Russians knew what to do with their royals
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 6 Nov 13:21

And the French
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 6 Nov 16:37

Imagine having THAT national anthem and singing it with Pride.

Meanwhile the very person you are paying homage to is stealing millions…..

What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 6 Nov 18:42

I`ve never understood the Royals. So centuries ago some guy decided he had loads of power and was "King" of the land and then someone brought religion into and acted like he had been selected by God, and conveniently enough his bloodline would be preselected to take over upon his death.

It`s 2024 and people are singing about an unelected leader who repeatedly cheated on his wife and has an alleged paedophile for a brother.

How the hell are people still accepting this nonsense?
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par  
Date:   Wed 6 Nov 20:02

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jake89, Wed 6 Nov 18:42

It`s 2024 and people are singing about an unelected leader who repeatedly cheated on his wife and has an alleged paedophile for a brother.

How the hell are people still accepting this nonsense?


Alleged Ephebophiliac…

Pretty sure no-one has accused him of interest in prepubescents.

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Wed 6 Nov 20:26

I`m no royalist but citing Russia as a good example of getting rid of their monarchy is a wee bit hard to swallow. Who did they get instead? Lenin, Stalin and now Putin. Don`t look at him in the wrong way or you`re sampling Novichok with your corn flakes.



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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: NMCmassive  
Date:   Wed 6 Nov 22:37

There’s only one family that publicly links the two major pedophile people traffickers on both sides of the Atlantic. Good friends with both men ffs…

I’d happily vote for a republic today

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 07:43

Topic Originator: jake89 like
Date: Wed 6 Nov 18:42

I`ve never understood the Royals. So centuries ago some guy decided he had loads of power and was "King" of the land and then someone brought religion into and acted like he had been selected by God, and conveniently enough his bloodline would be preselected to take over upon his death.

It`s 2024 and people are singing about an unelected leader who repeatedly cheated on his wife and has an alleged paedophile for a brother.

How the hell are people still accepting this nonsense?

Maybe Parboiled can explain it to us mere mortals. I am sure he sings the praises of the unelected money laundering greedy thieving individual that is Sovereign of England at every opportunity.

What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 08:07

Sorry to disappoint you but I cannae sing to save myself never mind God save the King....my Missus is even worse, she swears she was in the school choir but when she hits the high notes dogs howl and cats disappear for weeks

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 08:45

Parboiled is more Parody tbh. Obviously at it along with Bletchley Par. Definitely live alone or in their mum`s spare room.
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 08:47

My brother said my singing sounds like a goose farting in a spacesuit.

I think your other half and I should enter BGT, Parboiled! 🤪

”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 08:50

Parboiled and BP are our resident Unionist boot lickers so you wont hear them say a bad word about the royals. As stated above they would rather blame the Labour party than King Charlie.
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 09:16

Aye my mum is still chipper for a 105 year old. She does struggle with her
teasmade when the clocks change though…

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 10:45

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DBP, Wed 6 Nov 13:21

And the French


Why omit the Yanks and Greeks etc. ?

Mind you Spain went against that train of thought ☹️
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 10:50

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desparado, Wed 6 Nov 16:37

Imagine having THAT national anthem and singing it with Pride.

Meanwhile the very person you are paying homage to is stealing millions…..


It’s a ROYAL anthem, not a “national” one - where else is the NA focused on the unelected head of state - not even North Korea or Iran I suspect. Time it was ditched, long since.
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 14:48

The human race is greatly skilled in tyranny, no matter what the political regime may be. After the Russian and French Revolutions, the UK gained much greater freedom through the non conformist religious movements, including Methodists and Baptists and our radical politicians, poets etc. We didn`t go down the violent, revolutionary road and some say that`s just as well because we were spared the excesses of Robespiere, Lenin etc.

Before that, why did the Cromwellian revolution fail? Because the mass of the population favoured a monarchy rather than a Puritan autocracy. Be careful what you wish for.

But at the end we will all be subject to the King of Kings. Heaven and Earth shall flee away, when He comes to reign. The difference with this King is that He gave up His life for us all. He died in our place. We get into His Kingdom by accepting the free gift of His sacrifice on the cross for us. Some kingdoms are worth being in. As the young American missionary, Jim Elliot said, "he is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose".

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 20:23


In the words of George Orwell:

‘A French journalist said to me once that the monarchy was one of the things that have saved Britain from Fascism. What he meant was that modern people can’t, apparently, get along without drums, flags and loyalty parades, and that it is better that they should tie their leader-worship onto some figure who has no real power. In a dictatorship the power and the glory belong to the same person.

It is at any rate possible that while this division of function exists a Hitler or a Stalin cannot come to power. On the whole the European countries which have most successfully avoided Fascism have been constitutional monarchies.’

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Thu 7 Nov 21:00

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Tad Allagash, Thu 7 Nov 20:23

In the words of George Orwell:

‘A French journalist said to me once that the monarchy was one of the things that have saved Britain from Fascism. What he meant was that modern people can’t, apparently, get along without drums, flags and loyalty parades, and that it is better that they should tie their leader-worship onto some figure who has no real power. In a dictatorship the power and the glory belong to the same person.

It is at any rate possible that while this division of function exists a Hitler or a Stalin cannot come to power. On the whole the European countries which have most successfully avoided Fascism have been constitutional monarchies.’


There could be something in that. In my experience royalists tend to be fairly stupid people, in need of something to belong to and willing to believe any old rubbish they are told. Fairly easy to manipulate simpletons like that. They are usually fairly right wing, so I could see how they would be right into fascism too
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: pars4life1  
Date:   Fri 8 Nov 00:25

Paralex. What the **** motivates you to most your religious mumbo jumbo onto a thread which other than their political position as head of CoE is utterly irrelevant to a discussion about the royals?

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Fri 8 Nov 04:39

I saw a short newsreel of the Spanish king and queen being abused by a crowd in Valencia. Maybe all is not well there.

On national anthems, you can stick the British, Scottish, and Australian anthems where the sun doesn`t shine, but listening to the South African anthem sung with emotion can bring me to tears—it is such a beautiful song.

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Fri 8 Nov 15:42

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OzPar, Fri 8 Nov 04:39

I saw a short newsreel of the Spanish king and queen being abused by a crowd in Valencia. Maybe all is not well there.

On national anthems, you can stick the British, Scottish, and Australian anthems where the sun doesn`t shine, but listening to the South African anthem sung with emotion can bring me to tears—it is such a beautiful song.


^^^^ It certainly is.
It is a beautiful accumulation of several languages that combines important cultural words from each ethnic group thus bringing them closer altogether.

I learned this anthem and sang it at a Scotland v Springboks rugby match at Murrayfield whilst on a first date with my now wife. The Zulu warriors performed a type of "Hakka" and the atmosphere was electric.

Scotland beat SA for the first time in nearly 50 years and I married my GF and took her to every Sco v RSA game thereafter 👍

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par  
Date:   Fri 8 Nov 17:17

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DunfyDave, Fri 8 Nov 15:42

Scotland beat SA for the first time in nearly 50 years and I married my GF and took her to every Sco v RSA game thereafter 👍


Tried bringing her to EEP?

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: NMCmassive  
Date:   Fri 8 Nov 21:33

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buffy, Thu 7 Nov 08:47

My brother said my singing sounds like a goose farting in a spacesuit.

I think your other half and I should enter BGT, Parboiled! 🤪


Somehow this is one of the last things I expected to read in a thread about the royal family…

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Fri 8 Nov 22:37

Just spotted the opportunity Pars4life1, while considering Crooked Royalty, to point people to the perfection of the One who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, who said to Pontius Pilate that He was a King but that His kingdom was not of this world. His Kingdom will last forever and unlike our present rulers, He will reign in perfect righteousness. We are told that He will return in great power and glory, that every eye (even yours and mine) will see Him and every tongue confess that He is Lord. Surely you are aware that the world we inhabit is approaching the end of it`s life span, so the present world order with its temporary rulers pale into insignificance compared to the reality of the coming eternal kingdom.



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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: NMCmassive  
Date:   Sat 9 Nov 00:14

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Paralex, Fri 8 Nov 22:37

Just spotted the opportunity Pars4life1, while considering Crooked Royalty, to point people to the perfection of the One who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, who said to Pontius Pilate that He was a King but that His kingdom was not of this world. His Kingdom will last forever and unlike our present rulers, He will reign in perfect righteousness. We are told that He will return in great power and glory, that every eye (even yours and mine) will see Him and every tongue confess that He is Lord. Surely you are aware that the world we inhabit is approaching the end of it`s life span, so the present world order with its temporary rulers pale into insignificance compared to the reality of the coming eternal kingdom.


Certainly didn’t expect Sunday school either

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 9 Nov 07:52

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Luxembourg Par, Fri 8 Nov 17:17

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DunfyDave, Fri 8 Nov 15:42

Scotland beat SA for the first time in nearly 50 years and I married my GF and took her to every Sco v RSA game thereafter 👍


Tried bringing her to EEP?


^^^ Once against Cowdenbeath in the playoffs 👎

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sat 9 Nov 08:29

Start with the basics NMCmassive, sadly that`s where most people are at now. Sunday schools are few and far between and primary schools don`t do it anymore.

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: NMCmassive  
Date:   Sat 9 Nov 14:49

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Paralex, Sat 9 Nov 08:29

Start with the basics NMCmassive, sadly that`s where most people are at now. Sunday schools are few and far between and primary schools don`t do it anymore.


I don’t think there is a demand for the supply these days 🤷🏻‍♂️

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Sat 9 Nov 16:01

A salesman will tell you that advertising of a good product produces demand, and what better product than the Good News of Jesus.

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Topic Originator: NMCmassive  
Date:   Sat 9 Nov 17:56

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Paralex, Sat 9 Nov 16:01

A salesman will tell you that advertising of a good product produces demand, and what better product than the Good News of Jesus.


You should start a Christianity thread

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 14 Nov 13:05

So Charles opens foodbank to celebrate his birthday!🤬

Have these people no conscience, as bad as Cammilla coming on for an abuse program, she would know the psychological effects!🤔
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Thu 14 Nov 22:05

They have absolutely no shame. They are utter scum
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Thu 14 Nov 23:34

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LochgellyAlbert, Thu 14 Nov 13:05

So Charles opens foodbank to celebrate his birthday!🤬

Have these people no conscience, as bad as Cammilla coming on for an abuse program, she would know the psychological effects!🤔


That’s not accurate.
“King Charles arrived at the Deptford Trading Estate where he is opening the first Coronation Food Hub which is designed to help save and circulate tonnes of surplus food. All paid for by himself.”

”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: NMCmassive  
Date:   Thu 14 Nov 23:43

Buffy spitting facts 👍🏻

I’d still vote for republicanism like but I’m glad someone went past a headline

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Fri 15 Nov 04:57

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buffy, Thu 14 Nov 23:34

Quote:

LochgellyAlbert, Thu 14 Nov 13:05

So Charles opens foodbank to celebrate his birthday!🤬

Have these people no conscience, as bad as Cammilla coming on for an abuse program, she would know the psychological effects!🤔


That’s not accurate.
“King Charles arrived at the Deptford Trading Estate where he is opening the first Coronation Food Hub which is designed to help save and circulate tonnes of surplus food. All paid for by himself.”


And who pays him exactly? 🤔😂 wait for it…..
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 15 Nov 14:37

Putting a statement in quotes meant I didn’t write it. Thought that would be obvious.

”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 15 Nov 14:50

Forgot about William with his homeless people crusade!
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 15 Nov 15:17

I don`t think the royals `do` irony.

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Fri 15 Nov 17:23

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wee eck, Fri 15 Nov 15:17

I don`t think the royals `do` irony.


The royals don`t do anything
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Fri 15 Nov 23:45

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red-star-par, Fri 15 Nov 17:23

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wee eck, Fri 15 Nov 15:17

I don`t think the royals `do` irony.


The royals don`t do anything


Can`t even sweat.

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: NMCmassive  
Date:   Fri 15 Nov 23:58

In fairness they are absolute beasts when it comes to networking…

Jimmy Saville, Jeffrey Epstein, Lord Mountbatten…

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sat 16 Nov 15:36

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parsfan, Fri 15 Nov 23:45

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red-star-par, Fri 15 Nov 17:23

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wee eck, Fri 15 Nov 15:17

I don`t think the royals `do` irony.


The royals don`t do anything


Can`t even sweat.


^^^^ 🤣🤣🤣🤣

He is sweating now 🥵

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 17 Nov 07:34

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red-star-par, Wed 6 Nov 13:10

Making a packet charging the NHS for parking space and the RNLI for the use of slipways. They really are the scum of the earth. At least the Russians knew what to do with their royals


https://youtu.be/pocnThE3nHc?si=yDDaWk4BTX5IKSyY



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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 17 Nov 11:18

Why are those charities renting expensive offices in London when they could rent in Hartlepool for considerably less? Is London well known for its wealth of high quality charity workers?
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: DunfyDave  
Date:   Sun 17 Nov 12:50

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jake89, Sun 17 Nov 11:18

Why are those charities renting expensive offices in London when they could rent in Hartlepool for considerably less? Is London well known for its wealth of high quality charity workers?


^^^ Jake, don`t know the answer to your question directly but I do know that the RAF Benevolent charity was gifted offices in central London and suspect this may be the case for other charities.

Failing that, you do have a serious point though.

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sun 17 Nov 13:09

Years ago, I found myself doing a property project for a large retail bank, and there was a ‘price per desk’ that covered the annual cost of all aspects of having a desk in each city location, eg the property rental, the price for having canteens, receptions, security, infrastructure (networking cables/electrics/etc), maintenance, etc …it didn’t cover the cost of actual salaries of the workforce, but that followed a similar pattern but not as extreme.

Anyway, it was a while back, but from memory, London was more than double Edinburgh, which was in turn more than double places like Leeds

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 17 Nov 14:26

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DunfyDave, Sun 17 Nov 12:50

Quote:

jake89, Sun 17 Nov 11:18

Why are those charities renting expensive offices in London when they could rent in Hartlepool for considerably less? Is London well known for its wealth of high quality charity workers?


^^^ Jake, don`t know the answer to your question directly but I do know that the RAF Benevolent charity was gifted offices in central London and suspect this may be the case for other charities.

Failing that, you do have a serious point though.


It said in the video these charities were paying figures like £18m to King Charles for offices. Seems incredible to be spending millions of charitable donations.
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 22 Nov 10:34

I see the coronation of Charlie cost at least £72m but that`s just the `official` figure. Other estimates range between £100m and £250m.

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Fri 22 Nov 14:02

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wee eck, Fri 22 Nov 10:34

I see the coronation of Charlie cost at least £72m but that`s just the `official` figure. Other estimates range between £100m and £250m.


And when you think how little it would cost to make a good, sturdy guillotine, there was a substantial saving to be made here. Still is
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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 22 Nov 18:49

Not My King !!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk4v6kzz2lo

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Sat 23 Nov 09:13


‘…And when you think how little it would cost to make a good, sturdy guillotine….’

But try getting it past the Health and Safety Executive and tell me how much you’ve saved.

The Coronation was the first in 70 years, so the cost per year seems like a bargain.

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 Re: Crooked Royals
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 23 Nov 10:12

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veteraneastender, Fri 22 Nov 18:49

Not My King !!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk4v6kzz2lo


What an absolutely nonsensical, anachronistic charade the whole allegiance oath is. How can that debar anyone from holding a positon they have been democratically elected to? There are other similar rules and restrictions around the royals, e.g. No Catholic can sit on the throne. Why on earth not?

Not that I think anyone, of any religion or none, should..... Much prefer a Republic. Let Charlie run for President.... 😄



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