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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 10 Sep 22:45
Been shot dead during a University event in Utah.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 10 Sep 23:11
America really is a mental country.
Who would genuinely believe that someone should be assassinated for holding different political views. Honestly feels like a low point.
COYP
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 10 Sep 23:33
Thoughts and prayers
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 11 Sep 00:18
I unfortunately came upon the video by mistake and it is not good viewing.
I’ll be honest I didn’t even know him from Captain Kirk but I really am flummoxed by the American way of thinking about gun laws endorsed (through research) by Charlie Kirk and many many others.
For those of us who went through Dunblane, it is incomprehensible why they still think they have the right to bear arms 200 plus years after the Declaration of Independence
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 00:52
There was a school shooting in Colorado Wednesday afternoon. But to people like Charlie Kirk - I’d never heard of him - deaths from guns was just a reminder of their right to bear arms. Absolute sickos the lot of them.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 01:15
Honestly, you’ve got to be some kind of low life to come onto a thread about someone you apparently know nothing about only to call him names and say he was asking for it after he was murdered in front of his daughters.
COYP
Post Edited (Thu 11 Sep 01:21)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 01:51
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Thu 11 Sep 02:41)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 02:45
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 10 Sep 23:11
America really is a mental country.
Who would genuinely believe that someone should be assassinated for holding different political views. Honestly feels like a low point.
The first part of your post is an insult. No point looking down at other posters when you yourself wrote that.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 03:41
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Sep 02:45
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 10 Sep 23:11
America really is a mental country.
Who would genuinely believe that someone should be assassinated for holding different political views. Honestly feels like a low point.
The first part of your post is an insult. No point looking down at other posters when you yourself wrote that.
Buffy, that’s such a stupid comparison I’m wondering why you’re even trying to make it.
COYP
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 11 Sep 07:06
Tragic.
Trump really does need to take a lead on making this apolitical. Unfortunately he appears to be taking the opposite approach which, I fear, is going to lead to further issues.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 11 Sep 08:56
Thoughts and sympathy for his Wife, Daughters, and Friends RIP
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 11 Sep 09:27
The right to free speech and the right to bear arms is effectively what has lead to this conclusion. Its a sad day when someone is shot for airing their beliefs, no matter if people agree or disagree.
But, the problem lies in such open gun laws that allow people to bear arms, and even conceal carrying them. One thing that Charlie Kirk advocated for and was shot whilst defending them.
The next question now is where does it leave America? It feels like this is the next step towards civil war there.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 11 Sep 09:39
A terrible tragedy and one that will likely have long lasting effects. It was only earlier this year that a couple of Democrat politicians were murdered on their doorstep in Minnesota by a radical right winger. Be interesting to see who was behind this latest murder though at present the gunman seems to have just vanished.
Political assassinations aren`t new in America though. In the sixties you had JFK, RFK, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King all murdered in the space of a few years.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:12
Videos appearing online appear to show a sniper situation from a nearby and two guys standing behind Kirk making what appears to be signals just before the shot, from the angles it looks like a hit.
Was it the old guy?
The US is a horrible upside down parody.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:21
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 11 Sept 09:39
A terrible tragedy and one that will likely have long lasting effects. It was only earlier this year that a couple of Democrat politicians were murdered on their doorstep in Minnesota by a radical right winger. Be interesting to see who was behind this latest murder though at present the gunman seems to have just vanished.
Political assassinations aren`t new in America though. In the sixties you had JFK, RFK, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King all murdered in the space of a few years. Democrat
Can`t remember Trump doing an address to the nation when those two Democrat politicians were murdered, or have all flags put to half mast. In fact, I`m pretty sure that he and his cronies completely ignored it.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:30
Indeed and I`m fully expecting Trump to use this as a reason to further clamp down on his political opponents.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:36
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 11 Sept 10:30
Indeed and I`m fully expecting Trump to use this as a reason to further clamp down on his political opponents.
Absolutely.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:37
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:54
If killing someone’s who’s political views you disagree with is your answer then anarchy will be the result. It could easily become tit for tat and there are more than enough well armed Americans to cause anarchy.
Being able to speak your mind is a right we should all have in a so called free country, although some of the words emanating from the mouths of certain people could easily be seen as inflammatory.
Look at the state the UK is in whereby people opposing genocide are being arrested. Scots in favour of independence being labelled “ Separatists “ by UK Gov ministers no less….
If Farage and his cronies get elected into government then we could quite easily see the UK slide into anarchy, after all what starts off in the US usually finds its way to these shores. Far right, racist politics becoming the norm is just one example. Farage and Boris the clown take/took their lead from the mad Trumpian. It’s not going to end well.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 11:14
Who knows what the further implications will be. I don’t think there’s going to be much positive though. I really hope this isn’t going to be tit for tat but I don’t think Trump has it in his arsenal to calm everyone down. He should have done more in the aftermath of the June murders of the two democrats. Hopefully Trump proves us all wrong.
Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any other political commentators being assassinated? Numerous politicians but a political commentators/influencer. I think this is the first one 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 11 Sep 11:15
Quote:
Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 11 Sep 11:22
The original "shooter" now released.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Thu 11 Sep 12:29
It`s obviously horrendous what happened and should be condemned in the strongest possible way.
No-one should be gunned down for simply expressing views or indeed just existing and going about their daily lives.
However, I`m not going to mourn for someone I didn`t know and for someone who expressed so clearly that victims of gun violence were an acceptable trade off for the right to bear arms. If you think the video of Charlie Kirk being murdered was horrendous (and it was) then close your eyes and have a thought experiment to yourself for the kind of utter heartbreaking brutality that happens in scores and scores of schools in the USA each and every year.
Lastly, all the worst people in the world are out in force - including the leader of the "free world" - and are manipulating this horrendous incident for their own gain.
Really worrying times for the world. For the first time in a long time I fear for the immediate future.
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Topic Originator: Skerla
Date: Thu 11 Sep 12:54
“Honestly, you’ve got to be some kind of low life to come onto a thread about someone you apparently know nothing about only to call him names and say he was asking for it after he was murdered in front of his daughters”
The 10 year old daughter he said he would make her have her rapists baby?
Guys a scumbag, no great loss at all.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 13:36
He wasn’t assassinated. He didn’t hold any political office of any kind.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 13:48
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Sep 13:36
He wasn’t assassinated. He didn’t hold any political office of any kind.
You should Google the definition of assassination
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 13:51
Quote:
Skerla, Thu 11 Sep 12:54
“Honestly, you’ve got to be some kind of low life to come onto a thread about someone you apparently know nothing about only to call him names and say he was asking for it after he was murdered in front of his daughters”
The 10 year old daughter he said he would make her have her rapists baby?
Guys a scumbag, no great loss at all.
Guy was a Christian so lived Christian beliefs.
Anyway, you’re saying it like it’s justified and then calling him a scumbag…
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:00
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 11 Sep 11:15
Quote:
Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
Empathy is weakness? As in game of thrones?? Jesus Christ on a bike.
You do realise you’ve just done what you’re accusing him of doing? What are you even trying to say?
I’ll be honest, I don’t think you’ve actually thought it through.
COYP
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:16
I don’t need to Google the meaning, thanks.
Until the shooter is arrested no one actually knows why it happened. Assumptions don’t help anyone. His family have enough to deal with at this moment and their faith will prevail, as my reading of his background it’s clear that the church was a big part of his life.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:41
You don`t just impulsively decide to kill someone at a public event from a considerable distance with a high calibre weapon, of course it`s an assassination.
Can`t help think of his kids and that clip which, unfortunately, they will inevatibly see at some point in their lives even unintentionally.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:46
He is sleeping in a bed of his own making.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:57
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 11 Sept 13:51
Quote:
Skerla, Thu 11 Sep 12:54
“Honestly, you’ve got to be some kind of low life to come onto a thread about someone you apparently know nothing about only to call him names and say he was asking for it after he was murdered in front of his daughters”
The 10 year old daughter he said he would make her have her rapists baby?
Guys a scumbag, no great loss at all.
Guy was a Christian so lived Christian beliefs.
Anyway, you’re saying it like it’s justified and then calling him a scumbag…
Sorry to be a pedant, but he lived HIS IDEA OF Christian beliefs. You didn`t see him kicking up a fuss about poly-cotton clothing when that is in the Bible as something you shouldn`t wear. He simply picked out the bits that fit his narrative and used Christianity as the justification.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:02
Quote:
jake89, Thu 11 Sep 14:57
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 11 Sept 13:51
Quote:
Skerla, Thu 11 Sep 12:54
“Honestly, you’ve got to be some kind of low life to come onto a thread about someone you apparently know nothing about only to call him names and say he was asking for it after he was murdered in front of his daughters”
The 10 year old daughter he said he would make her have her rapists baby?
Guys a scumbag, no great loss at all.
Guy was a Christian so lived Christian beliefs.
Anyway, you’re saying it like it’s justified and then calling him a scumbag…
Sorry to be a pedant, but he lived HIS IDEA OF Christian beliefs. You didn`t see him kicking up a fuss about poly-cotton clothing when that is in the Bible as something you shouldn`t wear. He simply picked out the bits that fit his narrative and used Christianity as the justification.
🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:08
Welcome to Trump`s America!
Not even a year in and there`s been all sorts of abhorrent crap going on.
Never mind - only another 3 years to go ...........
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:09
You have to wonder why Police cannot fly drones around political events especially over roof tops where a gunman would have a clear line of fire.
Very strange and very lax, considering the history of political assassinations in the US…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:11
Quote:
picked out the bits that fit his narrative and used Christianity as the justification.
Dearie me.
So when someone tells you who they are, believe them, unless their shirt has some polyester in it.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:19
wouldnt be surprised if he was a "high profile" fall guy aimed at stirring up left vs right anamosity and tensions across the country. High enough profile to make him an understandable target without being an official role holder etc that takes things to a higher level. Trump rolling himself out on a unicorn to save the day and MAGA in the follow on period.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:23
Its the kids I feel for the most in this. Their dad taken from them because someone didn’t like some things he said - that should never happen. They now have to go through life without a father because of this.
Whether or not you agree with his views (which I don’t), doesn’t mean he should be shot or killed.
Was told this morning by my mate that he has been more vocal against Trump and Israel recently too. Whether or not thats true I dont know.
BUT the full irony of the situation that he has backed the 2nd amendment then been killed because of that amendment, should really make Americans wake up.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:26
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 11 Sept 14:00
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 11 Sep 11:15
Quote:
Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
Empathy is weakness? As in game of thrones?? Jesus Christ on a bike.
You do realise you’ve just done what you’re accusing him of doing? What are you even trying to say?
I’ll be honest, I don’t think you’ve actually thought it through.
So we`re agreed then, anyone who thinks like that must be pretty odious?
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:47
From BBC news website:
The authorities have found a high powered rifle in a nearby wooded area, alongside hand, shoe and body prints.
“Answering a question from a reporter, Utah DPS Commissioner Beau Mason says the suspect "appears to be of college age".
He says the suspect "blended in well with the college institution" before adding: "We`re not releasing many details right now. We will soon. But right now, we`re not.
"But that individual appears to be of college age."
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:50
Mature students make that a broad church!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 16:05
It’s also being reported that it’s unclear whether his wife and children were in attendance. His wife was known to accompany him at events so there may have been a presumption that she, and their children, were there yesterday. Understandable of course but I hope for their sake they weren’t.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 11 Sep 16:37
Dave : He had been critical of Israel recently.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 11 Sep 16:48
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Sep 15:47
From BBC news website:
The authorities have found a high powered rifle in a nearby wooded area, alongside hand, shoe and body prints.
“Answering a question from a reporter, Utah DPS Commissioner Beau Mason says the suspect "appears to be of college age".
He says the suspect "blended in well with the college institution" before adding: "We`re not releasing many details right now. We will soon. But right now, we`re not.
"But that individual appears to be of college age."
Skilled enough to pick the shot out from 200 yards, not bright enough to not leave multiple means of identification. Definitely not a patsy incoming
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 17:02
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 11 Sep 15:23
Its the kids I feel for the most in this. Their dad taken from them because someone didn’t like some things he said - that should never happen. They now have to go through life without a father because of this.
Whether or not you agree with his views (which I don’t), doesn’t mean he should be shot or killed.
Was told this morning by my mate that he has been more vocal against Trump and Israel recently too. Whether or not thats true I dont know.
BUT the full irony of the situation that he has backed the 2nd amendment then been killed because of that amendment, should really make Americans wake up.
Dave I agree with every word you’ve said
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 11 Sep 17:10
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Thu 11 Sept 15:11
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picked out the bits that fit his narrative and used Christianity as the justification.
Dearie me.
So when someone tells you who they are, believe them, unless their shirt has some polyester in it.
Not sure what you don`t understand. He picked out the bits of the Bible that fitted his own beliefs, which he claimed were Christian ones. So, for example, not a fan of homosexuality as the bible says a man should not lie with another man. The Bible also says man should not mix wool and linen, yet I didn`t see him campaigning for this particular practice to stop, nor did he abstain from wearing mixed fabric clothing. So that line didn`t apparently matter, but one about two men being together did.
He can hold whatever beliefs he chooses. It`s HIS opinion and HIS beliefs. But let`s not make the excuse that it`s Christian beliefs or values.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 11 Sep 17:13
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Sept 15:47
From BBC news website:
The authorities have found a high powered rifle in a nearby wooded area, alongside hand, shoe and body prints.
“Answering a question from a reporter, Utah DPS Commissioner Beau Mason says the suspect "appears to be of college age".
He says the suspect "blended in well with the college institution" before adding: "We`re not releasing many details right now. We will soon. But right now, we`re not.
"But that individual appears to be of college age."
Surely if you`ve managed to plan the murder of someone you`ve also planned to cover your tracks?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 11 Sep 17:17
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 11 Sep 17:02
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 11 Sep 15:23
Its the kids I feel for the most in this. Their dad taken from them because someone didn’t like some things he said - that should never happen. They now have to go through life without a father because of this.
Whether or not you agree with his views (which I don’t), doesn’t mean he should be shot or killed.
Was told this morning by my mate that he has been more vocal against Trump and Israel recently too. Whether or not thats true I dont know.
BUT the full irony of the situation that he has backed the 2nd amendment then been killed because of that amendment, should really make Americans wake up.
Dave I agree with every word you’ve said
Just add - nobody knows the motives behind it yet, it is all speculation until someone is caught or more info gathered.
What doesn’t help is the news outlets spouting random theories - the latest being there were multiple bullets with messages on them. FBI/Police haven’t mentioned it - don’t announce it.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 17:30
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Its the kids I feel for the most in this. Their dad taken from them because someone didn’t like some things he said - that should never happen. They now have to go through life without a father because of this.
Whether or not you agree with his views (which I don’t), doesn’t mean he should be shot or killed.
Was told this morning by my mate that he has been more vocal against Trump and Israel recently too. Whether or not thats true I dont know.
BUT the full irony of the situation that he has backed the 2nd amendment then been killed because of that amendment, should really make Americans wake up.
Dave I agree with every word you’ve said
Just add - nobody knows the motives behind it yet, it is all speculation until someone is caught or more info gathered.
What doesn’t help is the news outlets spouting random theories - the latest being there were multiple bullets with messages on them. FBI/Police haven’t mentioned it - don’t announce it.
Maybe we have jumped to conclusions but with him being the leading man of Turning point USA it’s kind of obvious why he’d be targeted
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Thu 11 Sep 17:49
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red-star-par, Thu 11 Sept 11:15
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Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
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red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
No great loss, regardless of whether u agree or disagree no one deserves to lose their life in that way, and what gives u the right to compare value of life, to you he may mean nothing, to those poor kids and poor wife he meant everything
Think before u speak u weird weird bloke
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 11 Sep 19:29
Well dot net .. we have a young man lose his life .. left two braw lassie`s without a father .. left a young wife without a husband .. We all have our own ideals and views .. So why oh why does this sad incident have to manipulate into a personal attack on fellow posters .. shame on you all .. Fifers Eh .. Sheesh
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 12 Sep 08:42
Videos online now of the shooter in position and him running away after the shot.
Similar to the Trump incident.
You would think every roof top would be checked and monitored ……but no..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 12 Sep 09:50
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desparado, Fri 12 Sept 08:42
Videos online now of the shooter in position and him running away after the shot.
Similar to the Trump incident.
You would think every roof top would be checked and monitored ……but no..
Charlie Kirk did debates and talks at college campuses all over the states. I doubt they`d be doing checks to that extent for him. It seems suspicious to me that the guy went to the bother of planning all this but then wore no gloves and then dumped the gun not far from where the shooting happened.
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Topic Originator: FifeEternal
Date: Fri 12 Sep 10:07
Did you just assume their genderrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 12 Sep 10:19
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shellypar, Thu 11 Sept 17:49
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red-star-par, Thu 11 Sept 11:15
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Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
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red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
No great loss, regardless of whether u agree or disagree no one deserves to lose their life in that way, and what gives u the right to compare value of life, to you he may mean nothing, to those poor kids and poor wife he meant everything
Think before u speak u weird weird bloke
Aww, seems like I triggered (no pun intended) the dot net Incels. I`m only showing slightly less empathy for his passing than he showed when asked about gun control after the Nashville school shooting. Worth watching the smug, uncaring, mocking tone of him on video as he says “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.” maybe showing that video to his wife and kids will give them some comfort.
I did read a good piece on him today by someone called Scott Rickard "Manufactured Martyrdom: Charlie Kirk, Extremist Mobilization, and the Whitewashing of Violence
In the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, public discourse has been flooded with tributes portraying him as a principled “debater” and defender of free expression. Such portrayals sanitize and obscure the reality of Kirk’s career: he was not a neutral civic actor but a principal architect of a political culture grounded in harassment, intimidation, and the weaponization of extremist rhetoric.
Journalist and professor Stacey Patton’s viral testimony provides a vivid case study of Kirk’s impact on American academia. In 2024, Patton’s name appeared on Turning Point USA’s “Professor Watchlist”, a digital database promoted by Kirk as a tool for exposing “radical” faculty. In practice, the list functioned as what Patton described as a “digital hit list” for academics who dared to challenge white supremacy, Christian nationalism, or gun culture. Once her name was published, Patton reports that she was inundated with racial and gendered slurs, threats of violence, and harassment so severe that her university’s security department offered her personal protection (Patton, 2024).
Patton’s experience is not an anomaly. The “Watchlist” cultivated an environment where educators—particularly women, Black faculty, and queer scholars—were systematically targeted for digital harassment campaigns. Some faced death threats, others lost employment opportunities, and many withdrew from public life entirely. This was not incidental fallout; it was the intended effect of Kirk’s political strategy, which relied on the mobilization of grievance politics and intimidation as tools of ideological enforcement (Giroux, 2020; Goldberg, 2023).
Kirk’s role must therefore be situated within a broader pattern of right-wing digital radicalization. Turning Point USA, under his leadership, became a clearinghouse for disinformation and a hub for mobilizing hostile action against perceived ideological enemies. Scholars of digital extremism note that such tactics normalize violence by blurring the boundaries between “debate” and “intimidation,” encouraging followers to equate harassment with civic participation (Daniels, 2018; Miller-Idriss, 2020). Kirk monetized this environment, leveraging outrage to secure political donations and media visibility, while leaving his targets to endure the costs.
Yet, following his death, bipartisan mourning has attempted to recast Kirk as a civil public servant. This rhetorical transformation reveals the asymmetry of political memory: a white male figure who spent years demonizing LGBTQ communities, mocking gun-violence survivors, and amplifying racist tropes about Black Americans is now eulogized as a fallen statesman (Patton, 2024). Such gestures not only erase the trauma of his victims but also reinforce the normalization of extremist politics as part of the democratic mainstream.
The contradiction is stark. While Kirk did not deserve the violence that ended his life, neither did his many victims deserve the harassment, professional sabotage, and fear that his movement unleashed. If Americans are to build a more peaceful and equitable public sphere, we must resist the selective memorialization of figures like Kirk and instead confront the corrosive role of political entrepreneurs who profit from hate. To condemn violence without simultaneously condemning the rhetoric that incubates it is to perpetuate the very cycle of extremism that Kirk himself embodied.
References
Daniels, J. (2018). Cyber Racism: White Supremacy Online and the New Attack on Civil Rights. Rowman & Littlefield.
Giroux, H. A. (2020). Race, Politics, and Pandemic Pedagogy: Education in a Time of Crisis. Bloomsbury Academic.
Goldberg, J. (2023). Hatemonger: Populism, Authoritarianism, and the New Politics of Resentment. HarperCollins.
Miller-Idriss, C. (2020). Hate in the Homeland: The New Global Far Right. Princeton University Press.
Patton, S. (2024). Facebook Post, October 2024."
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Fri 12 Sep 10:51
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red-star-par, Fri 12 Sept 10:19
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shellypar, Thu 11 Sept 17:49
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red-star-par, Thu 11 Sept 11:15
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Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
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red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
No great loss, regardless of whether u agree or disagree no one deserves to lose their life in that way, and what gives u the right to compare value of life, to you he may mean nothing, to those poor kids and poor wife he meant everything
Think before u speak u weird weird bloke
Aww, seems like I triggered (no pun intended) the dot net Incels. I`m only showing slightly less empathy for his passing than he showed when asked about gun control after the Nashville school shooting. Worth watching the smug, uncaring, mocking tone of him on video as he says “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.” maybe showing that video to his wife and kids will give them some comfort.
I did read a good piece on him today by someone called Scott Rickard "Manufactured Martyrdom: Charlie Kirk, Extremist Mobilization, and the Whitewashing of Violence
In the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, public discourse has been flooded with tributes portraying him as a principled “debater” and defender of free expression. Such portrayals sanitize and obscure the reality of Kirk’s career: he was not a neutral civic actor but a principal architect of a political culture grounded in harassment, intimidation, and the weaponization of extremist rhetoric.
Journalist and professor Stacey Patton’s viral testimony provides a vivid case study of Kirk’s impact on American academia. In 2024, Patton’s name appeared on Turning Point USA’s “Professor Watchlist”, a digital database promoted by Kirk as a tool for exposing “radical” faculty. In practice, the list functioned as what Patton described as a “digital hit list” for academics who dared to challenge white supremacy, Christian nationalism, or gun culture. Once her name was published, Patton reports that she was inundated with racial and gendered slurs, threats of violence, and harassment so severe that her university’s security department offered her personal protection (Patton, 2024).
Patton’s experience is not an anomaly. The “Watchlist” cultivated an environment where educators—particularly women, Black faculty, and queer scholars—were systematically targeted for digital harassment campaigns. Some faced death threats, others lost employment opportunities, and many withdrew from public life entirely. This was not incidental fallout; it was the intended effect of Kirk’s political strategy, which relied on the mobilization of grievance politics and intimidation as tools of ideological enforcement (Giroux, 2020; Goldberg, 2023).
Kirk’s role must therefore be situated within a broader pattern of right-wing digital radicalization. Turning Point USA, under his leadership, became a clearinghouse for disinformation and a hub for mobilizing hostile action against perceived ideological enemies. Scholars of digital extremism note that such tactics normalize violence by blurring the boundaries between “debate” and “intimidation,” encouraging followers to equate harassment with civic participation (Daniels, 2018; Miller-Idriss, 2020). Kirk monetized this environment, leveraging outrage to secure political donations and media visibility, while leaving his targets to endure the costs.
Yet, following his death, bipartisan mourning has attempted to recast Kirk as a civil public servant. This rhetorical transformation reveals the asymmetry of political memory: a white male figure who spent years demonizing LGBTQ communities, mocking gun-violence survivors, and amplifying racist tropes about Black Americans is now eulogized as a fallen statesman (Patton, 2024). Such gestures not only erase the trauma of his victims but also reinforce the normalization of extremist politics as part of the democratic mainstream.
The contradiction is stark. While Kirk did not deserve the violence that ended his life, neither did his many victims deserve the harassment, professional sabotage, and fear that his movement unleashed. If Americans are to build a more peaceful and equitable public sphere, we must resist the selective memorialization of figures like Kirk and instead confront the corrosive role of political entrepreneurs who profit from hate. To condemn violence without simultaneously condemning the rhetoric that incubates it is to perpetuate the very cycle of extremism that Kirk himself embodied.
References
Daniels, J. (2018). Cyber Racism: White Supremacy Online and the New Attack on Civil Rights. Rowman & Littlefield.
Giroux, H. A. (2020). Race, Politics, and Pandemic Pedagogy: Education in a Time of Crisis. Bloomsbury Academic.
Goldberg, J. (2023). Hatemonger: Populism, Authoritarianism, and the New Politics of Resentment. HarperCollins.
Miller-Idriss, C. (2020). Hate in the Homeland: The New Global Far Right. Princeton University Press.
Patton, S. (2024). Facebook Post, October 2024."
U didnt trigger anyone mate, ur just a nob, and i aint reading all that lil bro
Now be a goooood boyyyy and be silent
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 12 Sep 11:05
That`s a pathetic post Shelly > please stay off threads with serious subject matters if that`s your contribution.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 12 Sep 12:04
See, this is the problem. Someone makes a comment, someone else attempts to engage and debate and the response is "shut up". It`s like debating with a pigeon.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 12 Sep 13:44
The murderer has been caught. According to Trump his father persuaded him to give himself up. So much for all these idiots online showing off their so called expertise that this must have been a professional assassination.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 12 Sep 13:49
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The One Who Knocks, Fri 12 Sep 13:44
The murderer has been caught. According to Trump his father persuaded him to give himself up. So much for all these idiots online showing off their so called expertise that this must have been a professional assassination.
Idiots are going to idiot.
It is still an assassination, you just need to remember that Americans always push the boat out and add unnecessary adjectives
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Fri 12 Sep 13:56
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Rusty Shackleford, Fri 12 Sept 11:05
That`s a pathetic post Shelly > please stay off threads with serious subject matters if that`s your contribution.
Pahahaha ok then bud hahahahhaa
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 12 Sep 13:59
I don’t understand the grandstanding for this man. He was, in all fairness, a TikTok influencer who spoke at events.
If he was as important to the republican movement as is being played out then they failed to protect him. The flight home on Airforce 2, the order of half mast flags, “he was like a son” said DJT, and now an open casket to mourn has been suggested.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 12 Sep 14:00
Redstar - you’re falling into the same trap as everyone else that dismisses murder because it somehow aligns with their politics.
When your sources for justification of a murder are all left wing professors/MSNBC & CNN commentators etc etc would it be worth asking the question, am I allowing a political position to be more important than the fundamentals of what is right and what is wrong?
Let’s say David Packman was assassinated in the street… would it be okay for everyone who would prefer a right leaning government to either celebrate/insult David/dismiss it as no great loss?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 12 Sep 14:52
The fact people cant debate the issue at hand without falling out shows the level of this forum.
Calling for use of Air Force 2 and Medal of Freedom etc is Trump trying to politicise Kirks name. He’s using him as a Martyr.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 12 Sep 15:32
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buffy, Fri 12 Sep 13:59
I don’t understand the grandstanding for this man. He was, in all fairness, a TikTok influencer who spoke at events.
If he was as important to the republican movement as is being played out then they failed to protect him. The flight home on Airforce 2, the order of half mast flags, “he was like a son” said DJT, and now an open casket to mourn has been suggested.
There’s no doubt he was important for that republican campaign but I agree, they go over the top and it looks like grandstanding
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Fri 12 Sep 15:51
Quite simply he`s a Trump ally.
Trump blames anything negative on Joe Biden & his constant rhetoric is that the Democrats are to blame for everything.
He stokes the flames of political violence with his claims to the point where someone has now been caught up in that simply for supporting him.
America is utterly screwed with him in charge, and the rest of us aren`t faring too well either!
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 12 Sep 16:28
Until Wednesday I`d never heard of Charlie Kirk. Now, having read up on his views and how he went about expressing them, I`d have to say I find most of them quite odious. That`s not a valid reason for assassinating him but I can understand how it might have motivated somebody to take that course of action. He knew how to utilise social media to his advantage but must have been aware of the risks involved in doing so. In that respect I`d say he was to some extent the architect of his own downfall.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 12 Sep 16:32
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wee eck, Fri 12 Sep 16:28
Until Wednesday I`d never heard of Charlie Kirk. Now, having read up on his views and how he went about expressing them, I`d have to say I find most of them quite odious. That`s not a valid reason for assassinating him but I can understand how it might have motivated somebody to take that course of action. He knew how to utilise social media to his advantage but must have been aware of the risks involved in doing so. In that respect I`d say he was to some extent the architect of his own downfall.
The irony is that someone like Tommy Robinson would have most likely have been taken out if we had the same slack gun laws America has amongst many others but he’d welcome the same.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 12 Sep 17:20
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SusieQ, Fri 12 Sep 15:51
Quite simply he`s a Trump ally.
Trump blames anything negative on Joe Biden & his constant rhetoric is that the Democrats are to blame for everything.
He stokes the flames of political violence with his claims to the point where someone has now been caught up in that simply for supporting him.
America is utterly screwed with him in charge, and the rest of us aren`t faring too well either!
To me that’s far to simplistic. There’s always been something in America (que Razorlight)
Actually done a bit of AI research.
Between 1980 and 2013 there were 1,199 politically motivated acts of violence connected to American politics. (I’ll copy and paste the answer if anyone wants to see it)
Basically I’m working that out to an average of 36ish a year, for 33 years before trump had been active in politics.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 12 Sep 17:32
Amazing how we are not to blame the victim unless it suits our prejudices.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Fri 12 Sep 17:52
Oh I agree its absolutely simplistic.
I admit to not knowing enough about American politics to argue the point, tho lol!
Another probably even MORE simplistic view would be that Trump doesn`t really give a damn about the guy, but has ramped everything up to stop folk talking about Epstein for 5 minutes at least!
🤔🤔
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 12 Sep 19:23
In our lifetime I think we believe what we want to believe
We will not listen to or accept anything that is contradictory to our beliefs
But we will accept a lie if it augments our belief and shun a truth if it doesn`t
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 12 Sep 19:48
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SusieQ, Fri 12 Sep 17:52
Oh I agree its absolutely simplistic.
I admit to not knowing enough about American politics to argue the point, tho lol!
Another probably even MORE simplistic view would be that Trump doesn`t really give a damn about the guy, but has ramped everything up to stop folk talking about Epstein for 5 minutes at least!
🤔🤔
The reason the list hasn’t came out is because they’re all on it. Democrats and republicans.
It’s the same in the UK. The people who link between Epstein and Saville… the British Royal Family
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 12 Sep 19:49
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Buspasspar, Fri 12 Sep 19:23
In our lifetime I think we believe what we want to believe
We will not listen to or accept anything that is contradictory to our beliefs
But we will accept a lie if it augments our belief and shun a truth if it doesn`t
I think that’s true for lots of people unfortunately. We get tied to our beliefs
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 12 Sep 20:26
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NMCmassive, Fri 12 Sept 19:48
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SusieQ, Fri 12 Sep 17:52
Oh I agree its absolutely simplistic.
I admit to not knowing enough about American politics to argue the point, tho lol!
Another probably even MORE simplistic view would be that Trump doesn`t really give a damn about the guy, but has ramped everything up to stop folk talking about Epstein for 5 minutes at least!
🤔🤔
The reason the list hasn’t came out is because they’re all on it. Democrats and republicans.
It’s the same in the UK. The people who link between Epstein and Saville… the British Royal Family
This, it`s all of them.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 12 Sep 20:32
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NMCmassive, Fri 12 Sept 14:00
Redstar - you’re falling into the same trap as everyone else that dismisses murder because it somehow aligns with their politics.
When your sources for justification of a murder are all left wing professors/MSNBC & CNN commentators etc etc would it be worth asking the question, am I allowing a political position to be more important than the fundamentals of what is right and what is wrong?
Let’s say David Packman was assassinated in the street… would it be okay for everyone who would prefer a right leaning government to either celebrate/insult David/dismiss it as no great loss?
I don`t really have much of a view on American politics, other than how disappointing it is that people have allowed themselves to be influenced so much that they either see themselves as staunchly right wing or left wing and they won`t allow themselves to even attempt to listen to the other side or consider other ideas, or compromise to accept other well thought out positions. It`s exactly what the people who really run America want. Even more than most countries it has the illusion of democracy. Little rich kids like Charlie Kirk are getting richer by influencing people that aren`t intelligent enough to know they are being played.
I couldn`t find a David Packman but did find a David Pakman, couldn`t really see much in the way of controversial or inflammatory statements from him though, nothing that would make some wee incel try to kill him. I would probably still dismiss that as no great loss too, at the end of the day, I don`t know him, and I have experienced plenty real loss, people that I have loved, so the death of people I don`t know doesn`t mean that much to me. Also, every day plenty good innocent people are being killed in school shootings and war zones and those are the sort of deaths I do feel sad about, not those that seek to preach hatred and division like Charlie Kirk. People like him on both sides of the political spectrum can continue to be sidelined as far as I`m concerned.
As a side note, what`s with the two guys standing behind him doing the strange hand signals before he got shot? Takes the heat off Trump for these Epstein files that Kirk has been wanting released. Trump has probably gained most by this, very convenient
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 12 Sep 21:08
Great! Now you’ve got more of a reference for my question regarding Pakman! Even better that you both seem to share a lot of the same political views/beliefs etc So hypothetically, let’s say David was assassinated in the street… would it be okay for everyone who would prefer a right leaning government to either celebrate/insult David/dismiss it as no great loss?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 12 Sep 21:41
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NMCmassive, Fri 12 Sept 21:08
Great! Now you’ve got more of a reference for my question regarding Pakman! Even better that you both seem to share a lot of the same political views/beliefs etc So hypothetically, let’s say David was assassinated in the street… would it be okay for everyone who would prefer a right leaning government to either celebrate/insult David/dismiss it as no great loss?
Being honest, most people are indifferent. This whole "left wing", "right wing" stuff is nonsense. Most people are more centrist and it`s the extremists who are on those wings.
There will be some weirdos celebrating Kirk`s death, but most people in the UK don`t even know who he is or are civil enough to understand that death should very rarely be celebrated. Equally, there will be some absolute nutters calling for people to be silenced as a result of Kirk`s death. Unfortunately, one of those idiots is the leader of the USA!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 12 Sep 22:09
I chanced upon a brief graphic video of the moment he was shot - surprised it hasn’t been pulled, maybe it has since this morning ?
America is heading down a dark road.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 12 Sep 22:25
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NMCmassive, Fri 12 Sept 21:08
Great! Now you’ve got more of a reference for my question regarding Pakman! Even better that you both seem to share a lot of the same political views/beliefs etc So hypothetically, let’s say David was assassinated in the street… would it be okay for everyone who would prefer a right leaning government to either celebrate/insult David/dismiss it as no great loss? .
I wouldn`t know enough about his political beliefs to say I share any with him. If he was assassinated in the street, I`ve no doubt those who prefer a right leaning government would probably be celebrating, as they would have been fed the line he was some kind of left winger extremist. I`ve got to admit I probably wouldn`t be bothered, as I don`t know him, it would be no great loss to me
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 12 Sep 22:36
I think for the vast majority of people over here, the whole thing seems like America’s problem in terms of:
Nobody had even heard of him over here.
America has the gun problem not us over here and they don’t see the irony of the 2nd amendment and free speech.
But it is a problem over here.
We’ve had politicians murdered just for having a strong opinion on something.
Tomorrow thousands of right wing people are taking to the streets and I just wonder where this is going to end up.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 12 Sep 23:07
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 12 Sep 22:25
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NMCmassive, Fri 12 Sept 21:08
Great! Now you’ve got more of a reference for my question regarding Pakman! Even better that you both seem to share a lot of the same political views/beliefs etc So hypothetically, let’s say David was assassinated in the street… would it be okay for everyone who would prefer a right leaning government to either celebrate/insult David/dismiss it as no great loss? .
I wouldn`t know enough about his political beliefs to say I share any with him. If he was assassinated in the street, I`ve no doubt those who prefer a right leaning government would probably be celebrating, as they would have been fed the line he was some kind of left winger extremist. I`ve got to admit I probably wouldn`t be bothered, as I don`t know him, it would be no great loss to me
I never asked if they would celebrate. I asked if you thought it was okay to celebrate/insult/dismiss it as no great loss.
Bernie Sanders made a statement without insulting him and his views are basically 180 degrees of anything Charlie Kirk said.
"I want to say a few words regarding the terrible murder yesterday of Charlie Kirk — someone whom I strongly disagreed with on almost every issue but who was clearly a very smart and effective communicator and organizer, and someone unafraid to get out into the world and engage the public. My condolences go out to his wife and his family.
The murder of Charlie Kirk is part of a disturbing rise in political violence that threatens to hollow out our public life. A free society relies on the premise that people can speak out without fear or humiliation. No more political violence."
☝🏻 that’s the stance we should be taking.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 13 Sep 10:20
This was a hit, watch the guy in the white behind Kirk, then the guy in the black shirt, then look at a pictoral of tactical signing.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 13 Sep 10:49
Bernie Sanders speaks a lot of sense, despite certain elements thinking he’s a delusional leftie thats too old for politics. Watch his dismantling of RFK jnr and you can see he is switched on.
There was another thing posted yesterday regarding people celebrating his death and being refused entry into the US - I don’t agree or condone it, but isn’t America meant to be the land of the free? Or is it only free if you agree with what their current president says?
Its a very confusing and hypocritical society over there.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 13 Sep 11:26
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 13 Sept 10:20
This was a hit, watch the guy in the white behind Kirk, then the guy in the black shirt, then look at a pictoral of tactical signing.
I`m not one for conspiracy theories but I`d agree. Even while the guys behind him could be signaling to someone else, the fact that this young guy managed to get up on a roof unseen but then be so sloppy in his escape seems very iffy.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 13 Sep 12:08
Unseen? There is CCTV footage of this individual climbing down from the roof and I have heard/read the transcripts of the police communications as they scoured the area after receiving reports of the shooter, describing what he was wearing, height, and that he was carrying a rifle.
As for the fella supposedly giving hand signals behind Kirk, he`s Kirk`s long time friend and radio show host Dr Frank Turek.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 13 Sep 12:18
Quote:
jake89, Sat 13 Sept 11:26
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 13 Sept 10:20
This was a hit, watch the guy in the white behind Kirk, then the guy in the black shirt, then look at a pictoral of tactical signing.
I`m not one for conspiracy theories but I`d agree. Even while the guys behind him could be signaling to someone else, the fact that this young guy managed to get up on a roof unseen but then be so sloppy in his escape seems very iffy.
Every day of the week the white shirt guy signals "sniper ready" followed by black shirt guy "fire at will", clear as day.
Kirk had turned on Trump re the Epstein files and Israel regarding genocide.
If people think that`s wild, ffs there`s a convicted felon as president who hung out with a paedophile.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 13 Sep 12:26
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 13 Sept 12:08
Unseen? There is CCTV footage of this individual climbing down from the roof and I have heard/read the transcripts of the police communications as they scoured the area after receiving reports of the shooter, describing what he was wearing, height, and that he was carrying a rifle.
As for the fella supposedly giving hand signals behind Kirk, he`s Kirk`s long time friend and radio show host Dr Frank Turek.
I mean he managed to climb up there and sit waiting unseen yet then did a very sloppy job of his escape.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 13 Sep 13:08
Yeah after murdering someone he was in panic mode. Up until then it`s all secret squirrel and James Bond fantasy. Afterwards with the screams and sirens blaring all-around he remembered he was just a twenty something loser who was obsessed with online culture and memes.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 13 Sep 13:38
If it was a hit, he could have been sought out by people, knowing that he didn’t have the right nouse to finish off the job post shot and would make mistakes and get caught……means the initial conspirators would be harder to find.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 13 Sep 21:06
Today I learned the word "groyper."
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 13 Sep 21:37
Quote:
Wotsit, Sat 13 Sept 21:06
Today I learned the word "groyper."
A new one to me too. So why is a far right "Christian" murdering another far right "Christan"? Was Kirk not "Christian" enough? Maybe a bit too liberal?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 13 Sep 21:55
Apparently groypers are fans of Nick Fuentes, an even more far right influencer than Charlie Kirk was.
Fuentes seems to be smart, charismatic, and he has peeled disillusioned right leaning Americans away from mainstream politics by pointing out some of the hypocrisies in Conservative political values (particularly on Israel and the Epstein stuff) and has used this as a way to further radicalise them. He has been extremely critical of Kirk regarding his support for Israel and his view that we should all forget about the Epstein files.
He`s basically a 4Chan Alex Jones who says "Jews" out loud in place of Jones`s preferred "globalists" dogwhistle.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 14 Sep 09:20
So it’s either a professional government hit or nick Fuentes fans from 4chan?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 14 Sep 09:36
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 14 Sept 09:20
So it’s either a professional government hit or nick Fuentes fans from 4chan?
Who on here said it was Nick Fuentes fans?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 14 Sep 10:06
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Wotsit, Sun 14 Sep 09:36
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NMCmassive, Sun 14 Sept 09:20
So it’s either a professional government hit or nick Fuentes fans from 4chan?
Who on here said it was Nick Fuentes fans?
You brought him into a conversation about who killed Charlie Kirk same as others have done elsewhere on social media.
If you weren’t meaning to introduce that to the conversation, maybe you should have prefaced it first 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 14 Sep 10:17
Quote:
SusieQ, Fri 12 Sept 15:51
Quite simply he`s a Trump ally.
Trump blames anything negative on Joe Biden & his constant rhetoric is that the Democrats are to blame for everything.
He stokes the flames of political violence with his claims to the point where someone has now been caught up in that simply for supporting him.
America is utterly screwed with him in charge, and the rest of us aren`t faring too well either!
Id suggest the reason we aren`t faring well is because of this stinking Labour government and the SNP. Just my opinion.
RIP Charlie Kirk
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 14 Sep 10:35
NMC - like you mentioned, it was already a big part of the conversation elsewhere on the internet. Not just on social media, but on TV news and print media too.
As a result I shared that I learned a word and gave my interpretation of it`s definition. That is all.
I`m not even sure what you think my "true" motive was?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 14 Sep 13:55
Any right thinking person will be sickened by the killing.
What I struggle with though, is all the adulation.
He really was not a good person.
I could elaborate, but there is plenty online.
I would have more sympathy ( he didn`t believe in empathy, a core component of true Christianity) for his family if they had any compassion for the tens of thousands of families being ripped apart by the Gestapo (ICE) they promote.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 14 Sep 19:00
I picked up on a radio interview this morning - BBC Radio Scotland "The Sunday Show" which is relevant to above comments.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002jdwc
Advance to 1:10:18 for Prof.Christopher Carman - I`d never heard the phrase "Affective Polarisation" before - very apt in respect of the Charlie Kirk assassination.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 14 Sep 22:49
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 14 Sep 10:35
NMC - like you mentioned, it was already a big part of the conversation elsewhere on the internet. Not just on social media, but on TV news and print media too.
As a result I shared that I learned a word and gave my interpretation of it`s definition. That is all.
I`m not even sure what you think my "true" motive was?
Aw c’mon! I never even questioned your motives 😂😂
Why put yourself on the defensive? 🤷🏻♂️😂
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 15 Sep 18:52
https://x.com/viseh115/status/1967565823360553365?s=46&t=sD7tqSQqL7d7V381jPf2Pw
It’s easy to find his negative points. This showed up on my timeline so thought I’d share it here.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 15 Sep 19:58
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 15 Sept 18:52
https://x.com/viseh115/status/1967565823360553365?s=46&t=sD7tqSQqL7d7V381jPf2Pw
It’s easy to find his negative points. This showed up on my timeline so thought I’d share it here.
He`s not wrong, but he`s also not quite right. Based on DNA, a scientist could probably make a good guess. If you`re black, for example, you`re much more at risk of prostate cancer, heart disease, hyper tension and quite a few other ailments.
What I think Kirk was getting at is that we`re all humans regardless of race and the stereotypes, myths and microaggressions all come from society. What I`ve always found fascinating about Americans is how they separate themselves into these groups where they say Black American, Hispanic American, Italian American, Irish American etc then live almost stereotypes of themselves.
We all know the crime stats are bad when it comes to black people in the US but isn`t that down to people assuming they`re bad people and higher rates of deprivation among black communities? It`s similar in Scotland when you look at Glasgow. That city is a **** hole and has a reputation for being rough. Does that make Weegies bad people? No. Does it mean they`re stupid? No. Does it mean they`re all jakey bastards? No. However, there is that belief that Glasgow is that way, and it seems like many Glaswegians end up living to that stereotype.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 15 Sep 21:28
Quote:
jake89, Mon 15 Sep 19:58
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 15 Sept 18:52
https://x.com/viseh115/status/1967565823360553365?s=46&t=sD7tqSQqL7d7V381jPf2Pw
It’s easy to find his negative points. This showed up on my timeline so thought I’d share it here.
He`s not wrong, but he`s also not quite right. Based on DNA, a scientist could probably make a good guess. If you`re black, for example, you`re much more at risk of prostate cancer, heart disease, hyper tension and quite a few other ailments.
What I think Kirk was getting at is that we`re all humans regardless of race and the stereotypes, myths and microaggressions all come from society. What I`ve always found fascinating about Americans is how they separate themselves into these groups where they say Black American, Hispanic American, Italian American, Irish American etc then live almost stereotypes of themselves.
We all know the crime stats are bad when it comes to black people in the US but isn`t that down to people assuming they`re bad people and higher rates of deprivation among black communities? It`s similar in Scotland when you look at Glasgow. That city is a **** hole and has a reputation for being rough. Does that make Weegies bad people? No. Does it mean they`re stupid? No. Does it mean they`re all jakey bastards? No. However, there is that belief that Glasgow is that way, and it seems like many Glaswegians end up living to that stereotype.
We can agree that F*lkirk is full of inbreds though surely?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 15 Sep 22:07
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Mon 15 Sep 21:28
Quote:
jake89, Mon 15 Sep 19:58
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NMCmassive, Mon 15 Sept 18:52
https://x.com/viseh115/status/1967565823360553365?s=46&t=sD7tqSQqL7d7V381jPf2Pw
It’s easy to find his negative points. This showed up on my timeline so thought I’d share it here.
He`s not wrong, but he`s also not quite right. Based on DNA, a scientist could probably make a good guess. If you`re black, for example, you`re much more at risk of prostate cancer, heart disease, hyper tension and quite a few other ailments.
What I think Kirk was getting at is that we`re all humans regardless of race and the stereotypes, myths and microaggressions all come from society. What I`ve always found fascinating about Americans is how they separate themselves into these groups where they say Black American, Hispanic American, Italian American, Irish American etc then live almost stereotypes of themselves.
We all know the crime stats are bad when it comes to black people in the US but isn`t that down to people assuming they`re bad people and higher rates of deprivation among black communities? It`s similar in Scotland when you look at Glasgow. That city is a **** hole and has a reputation for being rough. Does that make Weegies bad people? No. Does it mean they`re stupid? No. Does it mean they`re all jakey bastards? No. However, there is that belief that Glasgow is that way, and it seems like many Glaswegians end up living to that stereotype.
We can agree that F*lkirk is full of inbreds though surely?
100%
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 15 Sep 22:09
I think you’re missing the point Jake. He’s been accused of racism a lot recently (honestly think it’s just folk trying to justify a murder) but that doesn’t sound like a racist talking to me.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 15 Sep 23:50
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 15 Sept 22:09
I think you’re missing the point Jake. He’s been accused of racism a lot recently (honestly think it’s just folk trying to justify a murder) but that doesn’t sound like a racist talking to me.
His problem was he thought he was clever but wasn`t clever enough to say the right things. He allowed little nuggets of what he said to be taken out of context. For example, the quote about the black pilot and checking qualifications related to a rant about affirmative action. So what he meant was he hoped the pilot was there on merit and not because there was a quota to fill. Like the rest of the USA, he had to bring race into it.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 16 Sep 04:22
Quote:
jake89, Mon 15 Sept 23:50
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 15 Sept 22:09
I think you’re missing the point Jake. He’s been accused of racism a lot recently (honestly think it’s just folk trying to justify a murder) but that doesn’t sound like a racist talking to me.
His problem was he thought he was clever but wasn`t clever enough to say the right things. He allowed little nuggets of what he said to be taken out of context. For example, the quote about the black pilot and checking qualifications related to a rant about affirmative action. So what he meant was he hoped the pilot was there on merit and not because there was a quota to fill. Like the rest of the USA, he had to bring race into it.
Well spotted. I didn`t get that at all. I put it with all the other negative things he said about blacks and assumed more of the same.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 16 Sep 07:07
Quote:
jake89, Mon 15 Sep 23:50
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NMCmassive, Mon 15 Sept 22:09
I think you’re missing the point Jake. He’s been accused of racism a lot recently (honestly think it’s just folk trying to justify a murder) but that doesn’t sound like a racist talking to me.
His problem was he thought he was clever but wasn`t clever enough to say the right things. He allowed little nuggets of what he said to be taken out of context. For example, the quote about the black pilot and checking qualifications related to a rant about affirmative action. So what he meant was he hoped the pilot was there on merit and not because there was a quota to fill. Like the rest of the USA, he had to bring race into it.
He allowed other people to take his words out of context?
🤔
Seriously?
COYP
Post Edited (Tue 16 Sep 07:08)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 16 Sep 07:07
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 16 Sep 04:22
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jake89, Mon 15 Sept 23:50
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NMCmassive, Mon 15 Sept 22:09
I think you’re missing the point Jake. He’s been accused of racism a lot recently (honestly think it’s just folk trying to justify a murder) but that doesn’t sound like a racist talking to me.
His problem was he thought he was clever but wasn`t clever enough to say the right things. He allowed little nuggets of what he said to be taken out of context. For example, the quote about the black pilot and checking qualifications related to a rant about affirmative action. So what he meant was he hoped the pilot was there on merit and not because there was a quota to fill. Like the rest of the USA, he had to bring race into it.
Well spotted. I didn`t get that at all. I put it with all the other negative things he said about blacks and assumed more of the same.
Find them and post them. There’s videos
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 16 Sep 07:47
Quote:
NMCmassive, Tue 16 Sept 07:07
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jake89, Mon 15 Sep 23:50
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NMCmassive, Mon 15 Sept 22:09
I think you’re missing the point Jake. He’s been accused of racism a lot recently (honestly think it’s just folk trying to justify a murder) but that doesn’t sound like a racist talking to me.
His problem was he thought he was clever but wasn`t clever enough to say the right things. He allowed little nuggets of what he said to be taken out of context. For example, the quote about the black pilot and checking qualifications related to a rant about affirmative action. So what he meant was he hoped the pilot was there on merit and not because there was a quota to fill. Like the rest of the USA, he had to bring race into it.
He allowed other people to take his words out of context?
🤔
Seriously?
Yes. As I said, if he`d omitted the word "black" it would`ve made it harder. If I recall correctly, our ex-FM got caught out in his stupid "white" speech too.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 16 Sep 09:00
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jake89, Tue 16 Sep 07:47
Quote:
NMCmassive, Tue 16 Sept 07:07
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jake89, Mon 15 Sep 23:50
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NMCmassive, Mon 15 Sept 22:09
I think you’re missing the point Jake. He’s been accused of racism a lot recently (honestly think it’s just folk trying to justify a murder) but that doesn’t sound like a racist talking to me.
His problem was he thought he was clever but wasn`t clever enough to say the right things. He allowed little nuggets of what he said to be taken out of context. For example, the quote about the black pilot and checking qualifications related to a rant about affirmative action. So what he meant was he hoped the pilot was there on merit and not because there was a quota to fill. Like the rest of the USA, he had to bring race into it.
He allowed other people to take his words out of context?
🤔
Seriously?
Yes. As I said, if he`d omitted the word "black" it would`ve made it harder. If I recall correctly, our ex-FM got caught out in his stupid "white" speech too.
I genuinely can’t believe you’re on here advocating for public assassinations for people who have their words taken out of context.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 16 Sep 09:01
Now I’ve just taken your words out of context… where does that leave you?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 16 Sep 10:16
😂 Except that`s a **** example though. A better example would be if I`d mentioned his murder within the comments about his views on affirmative action so you could selectively pick out a sentence that would fit a particular narrative.
On a more serious note - very few people are suggesting Kirk deserved to be murdered. Those who are need to take a look at themselves.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 16 Sep 12:55
It doesn’t matter if it’s bad, good or indifferent. You let your words be taken out of context. That’s 100% on you.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 16 Sep 16:50
Quote:
NMCmassive, Tue 16 Sept 12:55
It doesn’t matter if it’s bad, good or indifferent. You let your words be taken out of context. That’s 100% on you.
Don`t think I did in relation to the example I was giving but whatever works for you. I`m also not someone the media has any interest in whatsoever...or am I? Maybe you`ll see me on GB News tomorrow debating how many people actually turned up to Yaxley-Lennon`s parade at the Arc de Triomphe at the weekend.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 16 Sep 18:14
Quote:
jake89, Tue 16 Sep 16:50
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NMCmassive, Tue 16 Sept 12:55
It doesn’t matter if it’s bad, good or indifferent. You let your words be taken out of context. That’s 100% on you.
Don`t think I did in relation to the example I was giving but whatever works for you. I`m also not someone the media has any interest in whatsoever...or am I? Maybe you`ll see me on GB News tomorrow debating how many people actually turned up to Yaxley-Lennon`s parade at the Arc de Triomphe at the weekend.
Jake, I’m calling your argument that he deserved to be shot because someone else took his words out of context stupid.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 16 Sep 19:17
Nobody on this thread has claimed he deserved to be shot NMC. Stop trying to use that as a basis for your argument. It makes it look cheap.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 16 Sep 23:48
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 16 Sep 19:17
Nobody on this thread has claimed he deserved to be shot NMC. Stop trying to use that as a basis for your argument. It makes it look cheap.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Sep 10:15
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 16 Sept 19:17
Nobody on this thread has claimed he deserved to be shot NMC. Stop trying to use that as a basis for your argument. It makes it look cheap.
That`s his point. But my point is that he`s chosen a weak comment as it`s not an example of quoting out of context. If I`d said something like
"Charlie Kirk was killed because of his views, which some strongly disagreed with despite being accurate." you could cut that and just quote "Charlie Kirk was killed because of his views" with the inference that he deserved to die.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 17 Sep 11:36
Quote:
jake89, Wed 17 Sep 10:15
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Dave_1885, Tue 16 Sept 19:17
Nobody on this thread has claimed he deserved to be shot NMC. Stop trying to use that as a basis for your argument. It makes it look cheap.
That`s his point. But my point is that he`s chosen a weak comment as it`s not an example of quoting out of context. If I`d said something like
"Charlie Kirk was killed because of his views, which some strongly disagreed with despite being accurate." you could cut that and just quote "Charlie Kirk was killed because of his views" with the inference that he deserved to die.
🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 22 Sep 09:03
The Charlie Kirk memorial, wow, pyrotechnics, comparing him to jesus, his wife throwing up the devil horns, quite the show.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 22 Sep 09:29
Quote:
NMCmassive, Tue 16 Sept 23:48
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 16 Sep 19:17
Nobody on this thread has claimed he deserved to be shot NMC. Stop trying to use that as a basis for your argument. It makes it look cheap.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 22 Sep 09:31
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Dandy Warhol, Mon 22 Sept 09:03
The Charlie Kirk memorial, wow, pyrotechnics, comparing him to jesus, his wife throwing up the devil horns, quite the show.
Absolute fruitloops
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 22 Sep 09:37
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Big T Par, Mon 22 Sept 09:31
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Dandy Warhol, Mon 22 Sept 09:03
The Charlie Kirk memorial, wow, pyrotechnics, comparing him to jesus, his wife throwing up the devil horns, quite the show.
Absolute fruitloops
Nutcases.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 22 Sep 10:47
Any excuse and the Americans set off fireworks. I’ve not watched any of the memorial. All seems a bit much for me tbh 🤷🏻♂️
https://youtu.be/M9x0rzhBQpY?si=NEe2hENvgWEMRud6
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 22 Sep 12:11
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NMCmassive, Mon 22 Sept 10:47
Any excuse and the Americans set off fireworks. I’ve not watched any of the memorial. All seems a bit much for me tbh 🤷🏻♂️
https://youtu.be/M9x0rzhBQpY?si=NEe2hENvgWEMRud6
It`s utterly grotesque.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 22 Sep 16:31
Were we expecting anything less from the Americans?
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Mon 22 Sep 18:04
This whole issue is about the weirdest thing I`ve seen unfold. A big section of America has lost the plot, if it had it in the first case of course.
I`m not one for conspiracy theories usually but this feels like a Trojan horse
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 22 Sep 19:20
Erosion of trust is becoming a bigger and bigger problem. 9/11 was the start but COVID has most people questioning everything.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 22 Sep 19:47
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NMCmassive, Mon 22 Sep 19:20
Erosion of trust is becoming a bigger and bigger problem. 9/11 was the start but COVID has most people questioning everything.
Well COVID was a real thing. My old man passed away due to the symptoms in hospital.
I do agree though about the erosion of trust.
If our leaders are telling outright lies then it feeds down to the population who are by and large sheep.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 22 Sep 19:51
Just wait till Farage kicks out 50% of the working migrants in the country with his new plans, then replaces them with Stevie and Charlie off the dole……the country will flourish right enough 🙄
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 22 Sep 20:53
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Mon 22 Sep 19:47
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NMCmassive, Mon 22 Sep 19:20
Erosion of trust is becoming a bigger and bigger problem. 9/11 was the start but COVID has most people questioning everything.
Well COVID was a real thing. My old man passed away due to the symptoms in hospital.
I do agree though about the erosion of trust.
If our leaders are telling outright lies then it feeds down to the population who are by and large sheep.
I’m really sorry to hear that.
I don’t doubt COVID being real. I do think the response to it was ridiculous (as I did at the time) but I also think that a lot of people made a lot of money they shouldn’t have.
The biggest transfer of wealth in human history from the poorest to the richest, happened during COVID.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 23 Sep 06:54
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 22 Sept 19:51
Just wait till Farage kicks out 50% of the working migrants in the country with his new plans, then replaces them with Stevie and Charlie off the dole……the country will flourish right enough 🙄
But Stevie and Charlie won`t rush round a portfolio of clients each day making sure they`ve had a shower, been fed, have food in etc for £12.50ph.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 23 Sep 07:48
Quote:
jake89, Tue 23 Sept 06:54
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 22 Sept 19:51
Just wait till Farage kicks out 50% of the working migrants in the country with his new plans, then replaces them with Stevie and Charlie off the dole……the country will flourish right enough 🙄
But Stevie and Charlie won`t rush round a portfolio of clients each day making sure they`ve had a shower, been fed, have food in etc for £12.50ph.
Exactly we need migrants to do the jobs people here won`t do. Unfortunately, we have got a situation here where generations of families have never worked, but are well looked after by the state from the cradle to the grave.
It`s about time something was done about that, benefits need to be done on a sliding scale so initially if you become unemployed it`s not so much of a shock, but over time it reduces, so that if you haven`t found a job after 12 months then it`s only just enough to live off
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 23 Sep 08:06
Good luck with that, you saw the reaction to reduction in PIP’s (which 10% of working age adults claim in England and Wales). People want a reduction in benefits just not their benefits.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 23 Sep 08:19
I caught a bit of the service on tv as i switched on at that time.
I couldnt stomache it.
I didnt see a Christian memorial service. I saw a Nurenburg Rally.
The 4th Reich is here.
The gospel Charlie Kirk preached is far flung from what I read in the bible.
In fact it is everything Christ opposed.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 23 Sep 08:40
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 23 Sept 08:19
I caught a bit of the service on tv as i switched on at that time.
I couldnt stomache it.
I didnt see a Christian memorial service. I saw a Nurenburg Rally.
The 4th Reich is here.
The gospel Charlie Kirk preached is far flung from what I read in the bible.
In fact it is everything Christ opposed.
I wondered what you`d think, did you clock the masonic references?
Oh and apparently throwing the devil horns means "i love you" in American.
Like i said, pretty grotesque.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 23 Sep 10:06
If you deported the number of migrants that they want to deport then there will be no food on the shelves let alone carers in the homes.
Who do these people think picks their fruit and veg? Or packs their steaks and chickens? Or drives the stuff to and from the shops?
It’s utter madness to remove these rights.
And don’t get me started on Trump and the last few days. His claims about the wars he has stopped is embarrassing. Supposedly Cambodia and Albania were at each other’s necks at one point…..:
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 23 Sep 11:33
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Dave_1885, Tue 23 Sept 10:06
If you deported the number of migrants that they want to deport then there will be no food on the shelves let alone carers in the homes.
Who do these people think picks their fruit and veg? Or packs their steaks and chickens? Or drives the stuff to and from the shops?
It’s utter madness to remove these rights.
And don’t get me started on Trump and the last few days. His claims about the wars he has stopped is embarrassing. Supposedly Cambodia and Albania were at each other’s necks at one point…..:
Do you think care standards are high?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 23 Sep 11:38
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 23 Sept 08:40
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 23 Sept 08:19
I caught a bit of the service on tv as i switched on at that time.
I couldnt stomache it.
I didnt see a Christian memorial service. I saw a Nurenburg Rally.
The 4th Reich is here.
The gospel Charlie Kirk preached is far flung from what I read in the bible.
In fact it is everything Christ opposed.
I wondered what you`d think, did you clock the masonic references?
Oh and apparently throwing the devil horns means "i love you" in American.
Like i said, pretty grotesque.
Just like Elon`s hand gestures meant "This is what winning feels like".......
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 23 Sep 13:51
Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 23 Sep 08:19
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The gospel Charlie Kirk preached is far flung from what I read in the bible.
Can you give me a specific example of this or are there "too many to mention" that you wouldn`t know where to start?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 23 Sep 15:11
I think many struggle to understand that most migrants to this country are either workers or refugees. Very few are here illegally and they cannot work. Yes, some will be working illegally for Deliveroo, but the amount is tiny.
The problem we have is we hear people like Farage talk about the British workforce but the simple fact is that we import cheap labour because the locals either won`t do the work or can`t afford to. Migrants hit the same issues of cost of living but are more willing to work than Brits who will prefer to take the dole money instead.
The single biggest issue in the UK is an aging population, not immigration. In the next 10 years there will be an 80% rise in people being over 75. Those are the people most likely to need care but we don`t have enough carers or the ability to pay for them. People aren`t having as many kids as wages are too low. So more older people, fewer (by proportion) taxpayers, meaning higher costs and lower tax income.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 23 Sep 16:00
I think many struggle with the idea you don`t have to be left or right, there`s bigotry on both sides of the divide, the idea that all immigration is goid is laughable, just as it`s laughable to suggest it`s all bad.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 23 Sep 17:51
Quote:
P, Tue 23 Sep 08:06
Good luck with that, you saw the reaction to reduction in PIP’s (which 10% of working age adults claim in England and Wales). People want a reduction in benefits just not their benefits.
Exactly this.
Cut benefits but just not mine.
Increase taxes but just not mine.
Meanwhile our finances are in a terrible state of affairs.
81% of our borrowing is going to pay the interest of our debt.
Truth is we only really went through a soft austerity. They only cut public spending, they didn’t address any of the core issues. I honestly think we are running with too big a government and Labour are only going to exacerbate the problem.
Now my guess is they’re trying to import as many immigrants as possible because it lets them play games with GDP or something like that - I’ve not quite figured it out.
Net migration for 2022, 23 and 24 is net 2millionish.
That’s roughly how many migrated in the previous 10 years - and there were complaints about that being too high.
I get there are always racist but we should also recognise at some point, there is going to be social and infrastructure issues and not everyone complaining is a racist.
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 23 Sep 20:50
When I worked in a council they would salami slice budgets year after year. This is a complete waste of time. What needs done is the complete halting of some services or merging.
What`s appalling in Scotland is every council will be buying systems for things like planning, housing, waste management, social care etc. A lot but from the same supplier meaning some suppliers are potentially getting 32 contracts for a population of 5.6m. These systems should be harmonised across Scotland so there is less need for IT and admin staff to maintain them and fewer contracts to deal with. The problem is it`d put a fair few council workers out of jobs and turkeys aren`t going to vote for Christmas.
It`s the same at a national level where the Scottish government gives out grant upon grant without really understanding if it`s getting a return on investment.
There`s also the issue of continually applying sticking plasters to things as it`s cheaper in the short run than spending on fixing properly.
If it`s bad in Scotland where things are pretty tightly controlled, it must be even worse in English councils. I`m sure I read that there are councils in England that are effectively bankrupt. I`m sure Birmingham was one of them.
Notice that none of these issues are really a result of immigrants. Indeed, the reason England`s population isn`t aging as fast as Scotland is because of immigrants coming over and having kids. Of course, people just want immigrants to come over, do the crap jobs and keep quiet. They don`t want them using "our" dentists and doctors.
As DW has said though, it`s not as black and white as immigration being good and bad or people being left or right. As an example, I think the flag-shaggers need to get lost but I am concerned by how poorly *illegal* immigration is being handled. If Wimpey can knock up a load of houses and flats in Dunfermline in matter of months, why can`t the UK government build PROPER processing centres rather than throwing people in hotels across the UK?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Tue 23 Sep 20:51
‘Very few are here illegally………the amount is tiny.’
But you don’t know how many are here illegally. No one does.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 24 Sep 07:34
Back on topic.
Erika Kirk, well well well, a wee look into her explains a few things.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Wed 24 Sep 08:57
Caught a bit of the memorial the other night.
His wife looked like she was giving a speech at a political rally, rather than a memorial for her murdered spouse!
Not a tear in sight - just some obligatory dabs with a tissue at her cheeks & a dramatic emotional pause at one point! She looked like an actress!!
Then the vomit inducing hug between her & Trump at the end - urgh 🤮🤮
COME ON YE PARS!
Post Edited (Wed 24 Sep 08:57)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 24 Sep 17:31
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Tue 23 Sept 13:51
Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 23 Sep 08:19
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The gospel Charlie Kirk preached is far flung from what I read in the bible.
Can you give me a specific example of this or are there "too many to mention" that you wouldn`t know where to start?
His basic lack of compassion, his rejection of the very idea of empathy and his judgemental obsession don`t fit with the gospel Christ gave us.
He also supported and enabled a paedophile, fraudster, sex offending, adulterous, traitor, dictator to spread hate and chaos.
Thats my last word on it. I don`t care to waste my time arguing with anyone who disagrees. They are welcome to their opinion.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 24 Sep 22:40
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Topic Originator: PARrot like
Date: Wed 24 Sep 17:31
His basic lack of compassion, his rejection of the very idea of empathy and his judgemental obsession don`t fit with the gospel Christ gave us.
He also supported and enabled a paedophile, fraudster, sex offending, adulterous, traitor, dictator to spread hate and chaos.
Thats my last word on it. I don`t care to waste my time arguing with anyone who disagrees. They are welcome to their opinion.
Yes as I suspected, you can`t name even one example.
As you have fled the field on this subject I would recommend you re-read the bible focusing particularly on "bearing false witness".
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 25 Sep 06:56
Romanian Angels.
Is there someone linked to Trump that hasn`t been linked with child trafficking?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 25 Sep 08:56
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sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Sept 08:22
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Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 06:56
Romanian Angels.
Is there someone linked to Trump that hasn`t been linked with child trafficking?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fact-check-no-evidence-erika-020307024.html
Oh here he is, genocide apologist and simp for the rich folks. Yahoo? Not even dipping a toe, away back under your rock.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Thu 25 Sep 08:56)
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 25 Sep 11:54
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 08:56
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sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Sept 08:22
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Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 06:56
Romanian Angels.
Is there someone linked to Trump that hasn`t been linked with child trafficking?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fact-check-no-evidence-erika-020307024.html
Oh here he is, genocide apologist and simp for the rich folks. Yahoo? Not even dipping a toe, away back under your rock.
You`re ad hominem response is just a boring and predictable way for you to admit you`re wrong once again.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 25 Sep 13:20
Sadlad, you`re a pathetic child, sad by name, sad by nature, now, is it time for you to cry and play the victim yet?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 25 Sep 14:52
The irony of someone defending Donald Trump by calling the other a simp for rich folk....
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 25 Sep 16:46
Quote:
Wotsit, Thu 25 Sept 14:52
The irony of someone defending Donald Trump by calling the other a simp for rich folk....
At what point did i defend Trump?
I`ll wait.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 25 Sep 16:52
By attacking someone who criticised Trump?
That`s defending him by my understanding.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 25 Sep 17:10
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 16:46
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Wotsit, Thu 25 Sept 14:52
The irony of someone defending Donald Trump by calling the other a simp for rich folk....
At what point did i defend Trump?
I`ll wait.
At what point did I simply for rich folk?
I`ll wait.
I can see why you may consider me a genocide apologist if you believe it is genocide. I`m just of the opinion it doesn`t meet the criteria.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 25 Sep 18:01
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sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Sept 17:10
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Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 16:46
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Wotsit, Thu 25 Sept 14:52
The irony of someone defending Donald Trump by calling the other a simp for rich folk....
At what point did i defend Trump?
I`ll wait.
At what point did I simply for rich folk?
I`ll wait.
I can see why you may consider me a genocide apologist if you believe it is genocide. I`m just of the opinion it doesn`t meet the criteria.
Bombing and starving kids doesn`t meet a "criterea" you odious little man.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 25 Sep 18:53
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Sept 17:10
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 16:46
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Wotsit, Thu 25 Sept 14:52
The irony of someone defending Donald Trump by calling the other a simp for rich folk....
At what point did i defend Trump?
I`ll wait.
At what point did I simply for rich folk?
I`ll wait.
I can see why you may consider me a genocide apologist if you believe it is genocide. I`m just of the opinion it doesn`t meet the criteria.
Have you got no eyes, as well as no soul? If you can`t see it`s a genocide you can`t truly be human
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 25 Sep 18:57
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Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 18:01
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sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Sept 17:10
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Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 16:46
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Wotsit, Thu 25 Sept 14:52
The irony of someone defending Donald Trump by calling the other a simp for rich folk....
At what point did i defend Trump?
I`ll wait.
At what point did I simply for rich folk?
I`ll wait.
I can see why you may consider me a genocide apologist if you believe it is genocide. I`m just of the opinion it doesn`t meet the criteria.
Bombing and starving kids doesn`t meet a "criterea" you odious little man.
Civilians need to be deliberately targeted for it to be genocide.
Israel blocked aid for only 2 weeks, I spoke out against this at the time btw, if it had continued for longer that would definitely have been an act of genocide. After that it was the refusal of aid agencies to distribute aid already in Gaza, as they were demanding security from the IDF. Something they are not required to provide. There`s footage of it rotting in depots. On the United Nations own website they show the numbers of trucks going in and those reaching their final destination. 88% of aid trucks don`t get to their destination, mostly hi-jacked by armed terrorists.
Ideally they should flood Gaza with aid trucks so there are too many to hijack and enough get through.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 25 Sep 20:35
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Sep 18:57
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 18:01
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Sept 17:10
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Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 16:46
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Wotsit, Thu 25 Sept 14:52
The irony of someone defending Donald Trump by calling the other a simp for rich folk....
At what point did i defend Trump?
I`ll wait.
At what point did I simply for rich folk?
I`ll wait.
I can see why you may consider me a genocide apologist if you believe it is genocide. I`m just of the opinion it doesn`t meet the criteria.
Bombing and starving kids doesn`t meet a "criterea" you odious little man.
Civilians need to be deliberately targeted for it to be genocide.
Israel blocked aid for only 2 weeks, I spoke out against this at the time btw, if it had continued for longer that would definitely have been an act of genocide. After that it was the refusal of aid agencies to distribute aid already in Gaza, as they were demanding security from the IDF. Something they are not required to provide. There`s footage of it rotting in depots. On the United Nations own website they show the numbers of trucks going in and those reaching their final destination. 88% of aid trucks don`t get to their destination, mostly hi-jacked by armed terrorists.
Ideally they should flood Gaza with aid trucks so there are too many to hijack and enough get through.
Let the world’s journalists in to document it all and let the world decide……who’s blocking their entry again?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 25 Sep 22:20
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 25 Sept 20:35
Let the world’s journalists in to document it all and let the world decide……who’s blocking their entry again?
I agree 100%
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 26 Sep 10:09
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red-star-par, Thu 25 Sept 18:53
Have you got no eyes, as well as no soul? If you can`t see it`s a genocide you can`t truly be human
I can see what is going on is an absolute tragedy. The death and destruction is terrible but how something looks does not mean it`s a genocide.
For example there were over 31000 killed in Aleppo and the place was totally flattened, that looked every bit as bad as Gaza if not worse. It wasn`t declared genocide because it didn`t meet the criteria.
I want to see an end to all the death in Gaza, West Bank and Israel, permanently. I`m sure you would also want that.
I have no idea how they get there but it will be impossible if Hamas remain in power in Gaza.
The collective West trying to force a two state solution on two sides neither of who want it won`t work.
I would like to see a one state solution where they agree to share all the land, they can all choose to live in any part of the land. Where there`s no killing each other.
How to get there? I have no idea. I just know the constant cycle of violence certainly doesn`t benefit either group.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 26 Sep 14:33
So Sadlittleman.
You know better than the UN?
Why so? What are your credentials?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 26 Sep 15:06
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 26 Sept 14:33
So Sadlittleman.
You know better than the UN?
Why so? What are your credentials?
The ICC or ICJ are the only ones who can declare it a genocide. That hasn`t happened as yet.
If or when that happens then I will be totally supportive of them bringing people to justice.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 26 Sep 15:17
I hate to be that guy 🤦🏻♂️
Neither the UN, the ICJ or the ICC have called it a genocide. The UN will defer to the ICJ & the ICC and they’ll make their ruling.
There have been UN-affiliated bodies that have applied the genocide label.
Likelihood is, it’s a matter of time if things continue as they are IMO.
At the end of the day tho, we’re still going to be left with an Iranian problem.
Israel needs to go through the due process but it’s not the final answer to the issues in the Middle East. Only people in the Middle East can solve that.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 28 Sep 10:12
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Sep 18:57
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Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 18:01
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sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Sept 17:10
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Dandy Warhol, Thu 25 Sept 16:46
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Wotsit, Thu 25 Sept 14:52
The irony of someone defending Donald Trump by calling the other a simp for rich folk....
At what point did i defend Trump?
I`ll wait.
At what point did I simply for rich folk?
I`ll wait.
I can see why you may consider me a genocide apologist if you believe it is genocide. I`m just of the opinion it doesn`t meet the criteria.
Bombing and starving kids doesn`t meet a "criterea" you odious little man.
Civilians need to be deliberately targeted for it to be genocide.
Israel blocked aid for only 2 weeks, I spoke out against this at the time btw, if it had continued for longer that would definitely have been an act of genocide. After that it was the refusal of aid agencies to distribute aid already in Gaza, as they were demanding security from the IDF. Something they are not required to provide. There`s footage of it rotting in depots. On the United Nations own website they show the numbers of trucks going in and those reaching their final destination. 88% of aid trucks don`t get to their destination, mostly hi-jacked by armed terrorists.
Ideally they should flood Gaza with aid trucks so there are too many to hijack and enough get through.
You are vile
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 30 Sep 12:12
Sad, i asked for your credentials.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Tue 30 Sep 20:38
Dandy Warhol wrote:
> Sad, i asked for your credentials.
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He doesn’t need credentials. He’s making a logical argument that can only by refuted with a better argument. If you have one, then let’s hear it. But your name calling isn’t adding anything to the debate.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 1 Oct 05:47
The official figure is 70,000 dead in Gaza. But this is a verified body count in the morgues. No account is taken of the bodies lying under the rubble.
The true number may never be known, well, at least until an independent body can enter Gaza and undertake a proper census to provide a number for history. It should then be a relatively simple subtraction of the established census number from 2.4 million population before October 7, adjusted to take natural attrition into account.
UN Rapporteur, Francesca Albanese, recently stated that professional estimates currently put the total deaths in Gaza at about 680,000, of which 380,000 are infants under the age of five.
In anyone`s book, that`s genocide.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 1 Oct 07:18
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Tad Allagash, Tue 30 Sept 20:38
Dandy Warhol wrote:
> Sad, i asked for your credentials.
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He doesn’t need credentials. He’s making a logical argument that can only by refuted with a better argument. If you have one, then let’s hear it. But your name calling isn’t adding anything to the debate.
He`s very particular about people commenting and thier right to do so, a hypocrite it seems.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 1 Oct 09:33
Its all ok, big Orange man Don and his pet Benji have sussed it all out……and of course the Palestinians will be free to live their lives in peace and harmony.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 1 Oct 11:12
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 1 Oct 07:18
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Tue 30 Sept 20:38
Dandy Warhol wrote:
> Sad, i asked for your credentials.
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He doesn’t need credentials. He’s making a logical argument that can only by refuted with a better argument. If you have one, then let’s hear it. But your name calling isn’t adding anything to the debate.
He`s very particular about people commenting and thier right to do so, a hypocrite it seems.
The gaslighting from you is off the charts, you are the one who tries to shut other people down with threats and name calling.
I simply debunk your lies and you have a meltdown every time.
As for credentials?
I spent a total of 23 years in the military, served in active war zones and had it drilled into me about different rules of engagement in different theatres.
I know what constitutes war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide because we were taught in no uncertain terms that if we overstepped the mark the government would NOT have our back. And rightly so.
What`s your credentials with regards to Chemtrails? (One of your wee conspiracy theories)
Between military and civilian I`ve been involved in aviation for 26 years.
What`s your expertise in avionics or war?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 1 Oct 12:16
Tony Blair still making money, see that his son`s company are going to get digital ID contract!💰💰💰
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 1 Oct 13:48
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Wed 1 Oct 12:16
Tony Blair still making money, see that his son`s company are going to get digital ID contract!💰💰💰
I read that it`s expected to be worth £100 billion to the company, and Tony Blair has shares worth £349 million in the company already, although I have also seen sources indicating that it hasn`t been decided who gets the contract yet.
Got to admit Tony does seem to have accumulated quite a lot of wealth since he was PM. The people in the UK should be asking how the country is in that state it`s in, and where our money is going as it doesn`t seem to be getting spent on making this a better place to live
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 1 Oct 14:34
How will a training company make so much money from digital IDs?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 1 Oct 21:15
World starts going topsy-turvey just in time for Tony to raise his ugly head again eh!
And this time it’s his sons who’s going to make money from it. He’ll be a billionaire before its over
I’ll tell you right now, keep on these tracks and I’ll vote reform. Independence isn’t happening in the next decade. Tories 💩 Labour can F right off.
All Farage has to say is - no to ID cards we’ll shrink the size of the government 👍🏻
I do think in all likelihood he’s going to become an alternative member of the uni-party but we need to upset the apple cart somehow.
COYP
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 1 Oct 23:27
Farage is the Establishments man. He`s all bought and paid for, and there is a good reason why they give him so much airtime. He`s somehow managing to convince a fair proportion of the thicker members of society that he`s got their best interests at heart
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 1 Oct 23:39
What’s all this got to do with Charlie Kirk?
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 1 Oct 23:48
Yesterday, Jeremy Corbyn told an audience in South Africa what he thinks of Tony Blair:
"All I can say about Tony Blair is: I know him, I`ve met him, I`ve argued with him, and personally, I wouldn`t elect him to be a dog catcher."
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 2 Oct 10:50
Quote:
buffy, Wed 1 Oct 23:39
What’s all this got to do with Charlie Kirk?
🤷🏻♂️ who knows… I did have that same thought myself.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 2 Oct 10:52
Quote:
OzPar, Wed 1 Oct 23:48
Yesterday, Jeremy Corbyn told an audience in South Africa what he thinks of Tony Blair:
"All I can say about Tony Blair is: I know him, I`ve met him, I`ve argued with him, and personally, I wouldn`t elect him to be a dog catcher."
As much as I agree with Jeremy Corbyn on that, I wouldn’t elect Corbyn to be a dog catcher either.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 2 Oct 13:02
Ah, there it is, Sadman, please illustrate any threats i made to you?
I`ll wait.
Anyway, back to CK, anyone seen any of the other camera angles? Pretty wild.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Aaron Labonte
Date: Thu 2 Oct 13:17
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 2 Oct 13:02
Ah, there it is, Sadman, please illustrate any threats i made to you?
I`ll wait.
Anyway, back to CK, anyone seen any of the other camera angles? Pretty wild.
Hes done you like a kipper there. Very poor reply.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 2 Oct 16:15
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 2 Oct 13:02
Ah, there it is, Sadman, please illustrate any threats i made to you?
I`ll wait.
Anyway, back to CK, anyone seen any of the other camera angles? Pretty wild.
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 13 Aug 06:28
And there it is.
I`m happy to meet you should i be over for a match?
However, expect no interaction, i don`t do genocide cheerleaders.
You are one sad individual, I pity you.
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Dandy Warhol, Mon 25 Aug 10:12
Sadindiefreak really is a horrid little waste of air.
You have my offer you sad little man, but thanks, a fresh round of abuse in my e mail inbox thanks to your inaccurate assertion about my identity.
A thinly veiled threat is still a threat.
What do you want to meet me for with "no interaction"?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 2 Oct 18:01
Interesting though, that Dandy says there has been a fresh round of abuse from you in his inbox. Did you send this, and if so what abuse were you handing out?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 2 Oct 18:28
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 2 Oct 18:01
Interesting though, that Dandy says there has been a fresh round of abuse from you in his inbox. Did you send this, and if so what abuse were you handing out?
He doesn`t say its "from me". He recons other people are abusing him. And it`s probably a lie.
I suggested he is infact Rastapari.
He shared something from Facebook on here and when I clicked on it Rastapari`s Facebook profile popped up before taking me to what he shared.
Nobody on here would be abusing him for Rastapari`s activities on here before. Just ask people who remember him from before.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 2 Oct 19:35
FFS it`s obviously Rastapari and I`m glad to see him still posting.
Regardless, can you two not agree to disagree?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 2 Oct 20:01
Quote:
jake89, Thu 2 Oct 19:35
FFS it`s obviously Rastapari and I`m glad to see him still posting.
Regardless, can you two not agree to disagree?
I`m not prepared to let anyone spread conspiracy theories and misinformation.
I will continue to debunk his lies and no doubt he will continue to mount personal attacks.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 2 Oct 20:29
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 2 Oct 20:01
Quote:
jake89, Thu 2 Oct 19:35
FFS it`s obviously Rastapari and I`m glad to see him still posting.
Regardless, can you two not agree to disagree?
I`m not prepared to let anyone spread conspiracy theories and misinformation.
I will continue to debunk his lies and no doubt he will continue to mount personal attacks.
Imagine trying to claim that what Israel are doing in Gaza is a conspiracy theory and misinformation 😂
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 2 Oct 20:50
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 2 Oct 20:29
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 2 Oct 20:01
Quote:
jake89, Thu 2 Oct 19:35
FFS it`s obviously Rastapari and I`m glad to see him still posting.
Regardless, can you two not agree to disagree?
I`m not prepared to let anyone spread conspiracy theories and misinformation.
I will continue to debunk his lies and no doubt he will continue to mount personal attacks.
Imagine trying to claim that what Israel are doing in Gaza is a conspiracy theory and misinformation 😂
Im not claiming that FFS. Although there is a hell of a lot of misinformation from both sides.
This current discussion started with him claiming Charlie Kirks Widow was involved in child smuggling from Romania for paedophile gangs.
I fact checked him and he attacked me.
I`ve called him out on chemtrails and vaccines before.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 2 Oct 21:15
Quote:
jake89, Thu 2 Oct 19:35
FFS it`s obviously Rastapari and I`m glad to see him still posting.
Please no, it was the most brain dead unwell drivel that you could see on these pages and the bar for that on .net is set super high.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 2 Oct 22:04
I’ll happily agree and disagree with people on their political opinions etc etc but I’m at the point of just ignoring flat earth level of conspiracy theories. I had to comment about the whole bull horn vs I love you in American Sign Language.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 3 Oct 10:55
Sad, you truly are a pathetic little man, i didn`t threaten you at all.l, you just play the victim when you get called out, a bit like your beloved Israel, you`re a sick little puppy.
Off you trot.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 3 Oct 11:14
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 3 Oct 10:55
Sad, you truly are a pathetic little man, i didn`t threaten you at all.l, you just play the victim when you get called out, a bit like your beloved Israel, you`re a sick little puppy.
Off you trot.
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 13 Aug 06:28
And there it is.
I`m happy to meet you should i be over for a match?
However, expect no interaction, i don`t do genocide cheerleaders.
You are one sad individual, I pity you.
What is that about if not a threat?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 14 Oct 14:11
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Fri 3 Oct 11:14
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 3 Oct 10:55
Sad, you truly are a pathetic little man, i didn`t threaten you at all.l, you just play the victim when you get called out, a bit like your beloved Israel, you`re a sick little puppy.
Off you trot.
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 13 Aug 06:28
And there it is.
I`m happy to meet you should i be over for a match?
However, expect no interaction, i don`t do genocide cheerleaders.
You are one sad individual, I pity you.
What is that about if not a threat?
You really are pathetic, put your soy card away, what do you think "no interaction" meant?
Just stop, you`re not get any rent for that head space.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Tue 14 Oct 14:56
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 14 Oct 14:11
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Fri 3 Oct 11:14
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 3 Oct 10:55
Sad, you truly are a pathetic little man, i didn`t threaten you at all.l, you just play the victim when you get called out, a bit like your beloved Israel, you`re a sick little puppy.
Off you trot.
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 13 Aug 06:28
And there it is.
I`m happy to meet you should i be over for a match?
However, expect no interaction, i don`t do genocide cheerleaders.
You are one sad individual, I pity you.
What is that about if not a threat?
You really are pathetic, put your soy card away, what do you think "no interaction" meant?
Just stop, you`re not get any rent for that head space.
I mean bud, you said im happy to meet you should i be over for a match, u then say expect no interaction, so what is the point of the original statement, ur both just numpties like hahaha
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 15 Oct 02:26
That wee boy`s Dad got the Presidential Medal of Freedom today.
Blessed are the peacemakers.
Post Edited (Wed 15 Oct 03:40)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 15 Oct 09:22
Quote:
shellypar, Tue 14 Oct 14:56
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 14 Oct 14:11
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Fri 3 Oct 11:14
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 3 Oct 10:55
Sad, you truly are a pathetic little man, i didn`t threaten you at all.l, you just play the victim when you get called out, a bit like your beloved Israel, you`re a sick little puppy.
Off you trot.
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 13 Aug 06:28
And there it is.
I`m happy to meet you should i be over for a match?
However, expect no interaction, i don`t do genocide cheerleaders.
You are one sad individual, I pity you.
What is that about if not a threat?
You really are pathetic, put your soy card away, what do you think "no interaction" meant?
Just stop, you`re not get any rent for that head space.
I mean bud, you said im happy to meet you should i be over for a match, u then say expect no interaction, so what is the point of the original statement, ur both just numpties like hahaha
He didn`t include the context, it was to plshow my identity, maybe don`t skim next time, numpty.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Wed 15 Oct 10:25
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 15 Oct 09:22
Quote:
shellypar, Tue 14 Oct 14:56
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 14 Oct 14:11
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Fri 3 Oct 11:14
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 3 Oct 10:55
Sad, you truly are a pathetic little man, i didn`t threaten you at all.l, you just play the victim when you get called out, a bit like your beloved Israel, you`re a sick little puppy.
Off you trot.
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 13 Aug 06:28
And there it is.
I`m happy to meet you should i be over for a match?
However, expect no interaction, i don`t do genocide cheerleaders.
You are one sad individual, I pity you.
What is that about if not a threat?
You really are pathetic, put your soy card away, what do you think "no interaction" meant?
Just stop, you`re not get any rent for that head space.
I mean bud, you said im happy to meet you should i be over for a match, u then say expect no interaction, so what is the point of the original statement, ur both just numpties like hahaha
He didn`t include the context, it was to plshow my identity, maybe don`t skim next time, numpty.
I dont need any context for those specific interactions, i dont know if ur both just braindead or what, but like just shut up man, pair a weirdos man
COYP
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 15 Oct 18:05
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 15 Oct 09:22
Quote:
shellypar, Tue 14 Oct 14:56
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 14 Oct 14:11
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Fri 3 Oct 11:14
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 3 Oct 10:55
Sad, you truly are a pathetic little man, i didn`t threaten you at all.l, you just play the victim when you get called out, a bit like your beloved Israel, you`re a sick little puppy.
Off you trot.
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 13 Aug 06:28
And there it is.
I`m happy to meet you should i be over for a match?
However, expect no interaction, i don`t do genocide cheerleaders.
You are one sad individual, I pity you.
What is that about if not a threat?
You really are pathetic, put your soy card away, what do you think "no interaction" meant?
Just stop, you`re not get any rent for that head space.
I mean bud, you said im happy to meet you should i be over for a match, u then say expect no interaction, so what is the point of the original statement, ur both just numpties like hahaha
He didn`t include the context, it was to plshow my identity, maybe don`t skim next time, numpty.
OK, If it`s to prove you`re not who I know you are, I will meet you next time you are at a game.
My email is available, let me know when.
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