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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 10 Sep 22:45
Been shot dead during a University event in Utah.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 10 Sep 23:11
America really is a mental country.
Who would genuinely believe that someone should be assassinated for holding different political views. Honestly feels like a low point.
COYP
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 10 Sep 23:33
Thoughts and prayers
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 11 Sep 00:18
I unfortunately came upon the video by mistake and it is not good viewing.
I’ll be honest I didn’t even know him from Captain Kirk but I really am flummoxed by the American way of thinking about gun laws endorsed (through research) by Charlie Kirk and many many others.
For those of us who went through Dunblane, it is incomprehensible why they still think they have the right to bear arms 200 plus years after the Declaration of Independence
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
Post Edited (Thu 11 Sep 00:19)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 00:52
There was a school shooting in Colorado Wednesday afternoon. But to people like Charlie Kirk - I’d never heard of him - deaths from guns was just a reminder of their right to bear arms. Absolute sickos the lot of them.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 01:15
Honestly, you’ve got to be some kind of low life to come onto a thread about someone you apparently know nothing about only to call him names and say he was asking for it after he was murdered in front of his daughters.
COYP
Post Edited (Thu 11 Sep 01:21)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 01:51
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Thu 11 Sep 02:41)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 02:45
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 10 Sep 23:11
America really is a mental country.
Who would genuinely believe that someone should be assassinated for holding different political views. Honestly feels like a low point.
The first part of your post is an insult. No point looking down at other posters when you yourself wrote that.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 03:41
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Sep 02:45
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 10 Sep 23:11
America really is a mental country.
Who would genuinely believe that someone should be assassinated for holding different political views. Honestly feels like a low point.
The first part of your post is an insult. No point looking down at other posters when you yourself wrote that.
Buffy, that’s such a stupid comparison I’m wondering why you’re even trying to make it.
COYP
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 11 Sep 07:06
Tragic.
Trump really does need to take a lead on making this apolitical. Unfortunately he appears to be taking the opposite approach which, I fear, is going to lead to further issues.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 11 Sep 08:56
Thoughts and sympathy for his Wife, Daughters, and Friends RIP
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 11 Sep 09:27
The right to free speech and the right to bear arms is effectively what has lead to this conclusion. Its a sad day when someone is shot for airing their beliefs, no matter if people agree or disagree.
But, the problem lies in such open gun laws that allow people to bear arms, and even conceal carrying them. One thing that Charlie Kirk advocated for and was shot whilst defending them.
The next question now is where does it leave America? It feels like this is the next step towards civil war there.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 11 Sep 09:39
A terrible tragedy and one that will likely have long lasting effects. It was only earlier this year that a couple of Democrat politicians were murdered on their doorstep in Minnesota by a radical right winger. Be interesting to see who was behind this latest murder though at present the gunman seems to have just vanished.
Political assassinations aren`t new in America though. In the sixties you had JFK, RFK, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King all murdered in the space of a few years.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:12
Videos appearing online appear to show a sniper situation from a nearby and two guys standing behind Kirk making what appears to be signals just before the shot, from the angles it looks like a hit.
Was it the old guy?
The US is a horrible upside down parody.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:21
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 11 Sept 09:39
A terrible tragedy and one that will likely have long lasting effects. It was only earlier this year that a couple of Democrat politicians were murdered on their doorstep in Minnesota by a radical right winger. Be interesting to see who was behind this latest murder though at present the gunman seems to have just vanished.
Political assassinations aren`t new in America though. In the sixties you had JFK, RFK, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King all murdered in the space of a few years. Democrat
Can`t remember Trump doing an address to the nation when those two Democrat politicians were murdered, or have all flags put to half mast. In fact, I`m pretty sure that he and his cronies completely ignored it.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:30
Indeed and I`m fully expecting Trump to use this as a reason to further clamp down on his political opponents.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:36
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 11 Sept 10:30
Indeed and I`m fully expecting Trump to use this as a reason to further clamp down on his political opponents.
Absolutely.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:37
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 11 Sep 10:54
If killing someone’s who’s political views you disagree with is your answer then anarchy will be the result. It could easily become tit for tat and there are more than enough well armed Americans to cause anarchy.
Being able to speak your mind is a right we should all have in a so called free country, although some of the words emanating from the mouths of certain people could easily be seen as inflammatory.
Look at the state the UK is in whereby people opposing genocide are being arrested. Scots in favour of independence being labelled “ Separatists “ by UK Gov ministers no less….
If Farage and his cronies get elected into government then we could quite easily see the UK slide into anarchy, after all what starts off in the US usually finds its way to these shores. Far right, racist politics becoming the norm is just one example. Farage and Boris the clown take/took their lead from the mad Trumpian. It’s not going to end well.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 11:14
Who knows what the further implications will be. I don’t think there’s going to be much positive though. I really hope this isn’t going to be tit for tat but I don’t think Trump has it in his arsenal to calm everyone down. He should have done more in the aftermath of the June murders of the two democrats. Hopefully Trump proves us all wrong.
Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any other political commentators being assassinated? Numerous politicians but a political commentators/influencer. I think this is the first one 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 11 Sep 11:15
Quote:
Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 11 Sep 11:22
The original "shooter" now released.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Thu 11 Sep 12:29
It`s obviously horrendous what happened and should be condemned in the strongest possible way.
No-one should be gunned down for simply expressing views or indeed just existing and going about their daily lives.
However, I`m not going to mourn for someone I didn`t know and for someone who expressed so clearly that victims of gun violence were an acceptable trade off for the right to bear arms. If you think the video of Charlie Kirk being murdered was horrendous (and it was) then close your eyes and have a thought experiment to yourself for the kind of utter heartbreaking brutality that happens in scores and scores of schools in the USA each and every year.
Lastly, all the worst people in the world are out in force - including the leader of the "free world" - and are manipulating this horrendous incident for their own gain.
Really worrying times for the world. For the first time in a long time I fear for the immediate future.
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Topic Originator: Skerla
Date: Thu 11 Sep 12:54
“Honestly, you’ve got to be some kind of low life to come onto a thread about someone you apparently know nothing about only to call him names and say he was asking for it after he was murdered in front of his daughters”
The 10 year old daughter he said he would make her have her rapists baby?
Guys a scumbag, no great loss at all.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 13:36
He wasn’t assassinated. He didn’t hold any political office of any kind.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 13:48
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Sep 13:36
He wasn’t assassinated. He didn’t hold any political office of any kind.
You should Google the definition of assassination
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 13:51
Quote:
Skerla, Thu 11 Sep 12:54
“Honestly, you’ve got to be some kind of low life to come onto a thread about someone you apparently know nothing about only to call him names and say he was asking for it after he was murdered in front of his daughters”
The 10 year old daughter he said he would make her have her rapists baby?
Guys a scumbag, no great loss at all.
Guy was a Christian so lived Christian beliefs.
Anyway, you’re saying it like it’s justified and then calling him a scumbag…
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:00
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 11 Sep 11:15
Quote:
Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
Empathy is weakness? As in game of thrones?? Jesus Christ on a bike.
You do realise you’ve just done what you’re accusing him of doing? What are you even trying to say?
I’ll be honest, I don’t think you’ve actually thought it through.
COYP
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:16
I don’t need to Google the meaning, thanks.
Until the shooter is arrested no one actually knows why it happened. Assumptions don’t help anyone. His family have enough to deal with at this moment and their faith will prevail, as my reading of his background it’s clear that the church was a big part of his life.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:41
You don`t just impulsively decide to kill someone at a public event from a considerable distance with a high calibre weapon, of course it`s an assassination.
Can`t help think of his kids and that clip which, unfortunately, they will inevatibly see at some point in their lives even unintentionally.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:46
He is sleeping in a bed of his own making.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:57
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 11 Sept 13:51
Quote:
Skerla, Thu 11 Sep 12:54
“Honestly, you’ve got to be some kind of low life to come onto a thread about someone you apparently know nothing about only to call him names and say he was asking for it after he was murdered in front of his daughters”
The 10 year old daughter he said he would make her have her rapists baby?
Guys a scumbag, no great loss at all.
Guy was a Christian so lived Christian beliefs.
Anyway, you’re saying it like it’s justified and then calling him a scumbag…
Sorry to be a pedant, but he lived HIS IDEA OF Christian beliefs. You didn`t see him kicking up a fuss about poly-cotton clothing when that is in the Bible as something you shouldn`t wear. He simply picked out the bits that fit his narrative and used Christianity as the justification.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:02
Quote:
jake89, Thu 11 Sep 14:57
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 11 Sept 13:51
Quote:
Skerla, Thu 11 Sep 12:54
“Honestly, you’ve got to be some kind of low life to come onto a thread about someone you apparently know nothing about only to call him names and say he was asking for it after he was murdered in front of his daughters”
The 10 year old daughter he said he would make her have her rapists baby?
Guys a scumbag, no great loss at all.
Guy was a Christian so lived Christian beliefs.
Anyway, you’re saying it like it’s justified and then calling him a scumbag…
Sorry to be a pedant, but he lived HIS IDEA OF Christian beliefs. You didn`t see him kicking up a fuss about poly-cotton clothing when that is in the Bible as something you shouldn`t wear. He simply picked out the bits that fit his narrative and used Christianity as the justification.
🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:08
Welcome to Trump`s America!
Not even a year in and there`s been all sorts of abhorrent crap going on.
Never mind - only another 3 years to go ...........
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:09
You have to wonder why Police cannot fly drones around political events especially over roof tops where a gunman would have a clear line of fire.
Very strange and very lax, considering the history of political assassinations in the US…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:11
Quote:
picked out the bits that fit his narrative and used Christianity as the justification.
Dearie me.
So when someone tells you who they are, believe them, unless their shirt has some polyester in it.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:19
wouldnt be surprised if he was a "high profile" fall guy aimed at stirring up left vs right anamosity and tensions across the country. High enough profile to make him an understandable target without being an official role holder etc that takes things to a higher level. Trump rolling himself out on a unicorn to save the day and MAGA in the follow on period.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:23
Its the kids I feel for the most in this. Their dad taken from them because someone didn’t like some things he said - that should never happen. They now have to go through life without a father because of this.
Whether or not you agree with his views (which I don’t), doesn’t mean he should be shot or killed.
Was told this morning by my mate that he has been more vocal against Trump and Israel recently too. Whether or not thats true I dont know.
BUT the full irony of the situation that he has backed the 2nd amendment then been killed because of that amendment, should really make Americans wake up.
Post Edited (Thu 11 Sep 15:24)
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:26
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 11 Sept 14:00
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 11 Sep 11:15
Quote:
Bamba-Daft, Thu 11 Sept 10:37
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 10 Sep 23:25
I had never heard of the guy before. Spent a couple of minutes reading some of his views and some of the things that he`s been quoted as saying, and it seems I`ve not missed out on much, comes across as a bit of a dick. I`m of the opinion that words are only words, nothing anyone says can offend or hurt me, but I do see that some people can get really uptight about words, and so coming out with some of the nonsense he spouted, in a country so full of gun-toting crazy folk as America, is a bit like putting a target on yourself.
At the end of the day no one should be killed for speaking, but on the other hand, actual nice people are getting killed for no reason at all as well.
On balance, looks like he was simply asking for it, and it`s no great loss anyway
Spent a couple minutes looking into a guy you’ve never heard of and deciding him being murdered infront of his wife and kids was no great loss and he was asking for it. What an utter cretin you are.
Yes, last night I only had time for a quick search, today I wasted some more of my time reading about him, shouldn`t have bothered, his views weren`t really worth considering- sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, what seemed like bizarre fantasies about whipping and shooting at immigrants and wanting executions televised live and sponsored by Coca-Cola, advocating the death penalty for Joe Biden, the violent rhetoric which he was peddling, stoking hatred, his pro-gun stance and lack of empathy for the victims of school shootings.
Empathy is a weakness.
As I said earlier, no great loss
Empathy is weakness? As in game of thrones?? Jesus Christ on a bike.
You do realise you’ve just done what you’re accusing him of doing? What are you even trying to say?
I’ll be honest, I don’t think you’ve actually thought it through.
So we`re agreed then, anyone who thinks like that must be pretty odious?
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:47
From BBC news website:
The authorities have found a high powered rifle in a nearby wooded area, alongside hand, shoe and body prints.
“Answering a question from a reporter, Utah DPS Commissioner Beau Mason says the suspect "appears to be of college age".
He says the suspect "blended in well with the college institution" before adding: "We`re not releasing many details right now. We will soon. But right now, we`re not.
"But that individual appears to be of college age."
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Thu 11 Sep 16:15)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 11 Sep 15:50
Mature students make that a broad church!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 16:05
It’s also being reported that it’s unclear whether his wife and children were in attendance. His wife was known to accompany him at events so there may have been a presumption that she, and their children, were there yesterday. Understandable of course but I hope for their sake they weren’t.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 11 Sep 16:37
Dave : He had been critical of Israel recently.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 11 Sep 16:48
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Sep 15:47
From BBC news website:
The authorities have found a high powered rifle in a nearby wooded area, alongside hand, shoe and body prints.
“Answering a question from a reporter, Utah DPS Commissioner Beau Mason says the suspect "appears to be of college age".
He says the suspect "blended in well with the college institution" before adding: "We`re not releasing many details right now. We will soon. But right now, we`re not.
"But that individual appears to be of college age."
Skilled enough to pick the shot out from 200 yards, not bright enough to not leave multiple means of identification. Definitely not a patsy incoming
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