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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Sat 15 Jun 13:59
Is a draw a good result for Scotland?
Post Edited (Sat 15 Jun 14:19)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 15 Jun 14:07
Probably although a Switzerland win would then see them likely be happy with a draw against us on Wednesday which I`d also take.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 15 Jun 14:25
I thought Switzerland would be weaker than Hungary so I thought beat the Swiss and draw with the Magyars - might have to reassess things now...
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 15 Jun 14:30
Aye, got 3/1 on Hungary this morning and thought it was great value. Not looking clever at the moment.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 15 Jun 15:11
After fifty odd minutes Hungary look woeful
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Sat 15 Jun 15:21
Scotland Hungary will be the decider for 3rd place
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 15 Jun 16:54
Draw on Wednesday makes it winner takes all v Hungary. A win on Wednesday really sets the cat amongst the cuckoos. Still in with a chance but needs big improvements in ball retention and aggression.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 15 Jun 16:55
Quote:
brian, Sat 15 Jun 15:21
Scotland Hungary will be the decider for 3rd place
Love the positivity đź’Ş
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 15 Jun 17:40
Don’t think either of these two looked anything special. They were both combative, set up well, had pace and dangerous looking attacking midfielders/strikers. Basically everything Scotland did not.
FWIW I think the Swiss are beatable but by goodness we need Scotland to turn up to have any chance against what is just an average team really.
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Sat 15 Jun 18:52
With the poor GD as a result of the first match and the Swiss win today, a draw on Wed no longer works. 4 pts can still be sufficient, but it has to be a W on Wed.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 15 Jun 19:19
No 9 for Hungary was built like a brick…🤷
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 15 Jun 19:22
Sorry USMac I don`t understand. If four points is sufficient then why can`t it be a draw on Wednesday and win against Hungary?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Sat 15 Jun 19:27
TOWK, as I understand it, GD is first tiebreaker after pts. A draw on Wed would give the Swiss 4 pts, and they will most likely end up with a superior GD.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 15 Jun 19:30
Yes, but we don`t need to finish 2nd to qualify.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 15 Jun 19:56
A draw with Switzerland and a win against Hungary guarantees we finish at least third.
A win against Switzerland and a draw against Hungary doesn’t quite guarantee third place as it’d be possible - though pretty unlikely- for all 4 teams to end up on 4 points and we’d likely be bottom on goal difference. This happened to Norway in the 1994 World Cup.
4 points has always been good enough for one of the top 4 third place teams even with a shocking goal difference. Not guaranteed though.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 15 Jun 20:17
I thought the commentator last night said that, in the event of teams being level on points, the first `tie-breaker` was head-to-head results?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 15 Jun 20:49
wee eck wrote:
> I thought the commentator last night said that, in the event of
> teams being level on points, the first `tie-breaker` was
> head-to-head results?
Yes, that’s right. Goal difference is likely to come into play when comparing third placed teams though. It’s likely that at least 2 third placed teams will have less than 4 points, so 4 points and third place should be good enough.
If 3 teams in a group end up with the same points, then it’s points in games between those 3 teams that count and then goal difference in games between those 3. If these rules were in place in the 1974 World Cup, I think Scotland and Yugoslavia would’ve gone through ahead of Brazil as our lack of goals against Zaire wouldn’t have been a problem.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 15 Jun 21:05
Can`t see either Switzerland or Hungary taking any points from Germany ,
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 15 Jun 22:48
It`s all a game of chance with teams outside the top dozen or so but even the big teams can be undone. Let`s hope Germany have some goals left in the tank so we can focus on winning our games.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sun 16 Jun 01:05
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 15 Jun 21:05
Can`t see either Switzerland or Hungary taking any points from Germany ,
Hungary won in Germany in the Nations League, took 4 points from 6 them and finished above them in the group.Switzerland have lost one game in 15.
I`m not saying they will definitely take points from Germany but I wouldn’t be writing either off completely.We made the Germans look better than they are.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 16 Jun 09:43
Assuming Germany win both of their remaining games, its hard to see how we would have a better goal difference than Switzerland or 2 of the 3rd place teams. This suggests we need to beat Switzerland to have a chance of going through.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 16 Jun 09:52
Quote:
JTH123, Sun 16 Jun 09:43
Assuming Germany win both of their remaining games, its hard to see how we would have a better goal difference than Switzerland or 2 of the 3rd place teams. This suggests we need to beat Switzerland to have a chance of going through.
There`s been no previous of a team with a win and a draw going out in 3rd. But listen... It`s Scotland we`re talking about!
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 16 Jun 10:15
At the last euros, Ukraine went through in 3rd place with only 3 points as did Northern Ireland and Portugal in 2016.
So 4 points should be enough. Tall order though.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sun 16 Jun 10:23
Four should be enough, six might not be.
Have to play to win.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sun 16 Jun 10:59
We`ll be lucky to get 0 points.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 16 Jun 11:12
We won’t muster 4 points, so all a bit irrelevant.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 16 Jun 11:15
Fair point guys, I hadn`t appreciated that a couple of 3rd placed teams could have 3 points.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Mon 17 Jun 05:47
I think we should be aiming to have a few shots on goal before we try to achieve anything else.
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