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 Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 28 Jun 00:57

Original thread was getting a bit long.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 07:52

OK, now that most of the diddy teams have returned home (England are still hanging in there),😀 who do you think will win the Euros.

Spain have been the pick of the group stage, but I think Germany will find a way to beat them - probably on penalties,



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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 08:18

England or maybe Italy if they can get past the Swiss. They have both started relatively poorly but so often in tournament football it`s about feeling your way into the competition and progressing while still having another gear to go into. Of course it could be that England, in the current set up, really just aren`t that good but they have some of the best players in the world and if it clicks for them then they can beat anyone.
As for Italy I wonder if in two weeks we`ll be looking back at how they were one minute from being knocked out in the group stage and now here they are retaining their title as champions.
Now there are better teams than England or Italy on the other side of the draw but they are going to have to go deep into their respective wells two maybe even three times just to make it to the final. Maybe that`ll mean they`ll be flying and supremely confident going into the final or they`ll be physically and mentally worn out.
I sincerely hope my prediction is wrong.

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They just might as well be closed
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 10:54

Spain... Maybe 🤔

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 17:40

Great goal by the Swiss there-not sure how many passes they had in the build up? Dominating so far.
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 17:46

Yeah forget what I said about Italy. They are miles off it.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 18:08

Two nil now to the zip and it`s been a bit of an embarrassing performance so far from the defending champs.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 18:25

We gave the Swiss a harder game than this.They can knock the ball about nicely though.
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 18:41

Not sure how Scotland got a draw




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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 18:48

Neither was I but we did hit the post and gift them a goal although Shaqiri took it well.

This has to be one of the worst Italian teams in recent times, though.In saying that they haven`t been to a World Cup since 2014 which seems strange to say.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 19:32

Italy were dire .
Not sure why.
They looked pretty decent in the group stage.
Maybe just a bad day at the office.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 20:38

German game paused as an electrical storm rages overhead. Germany might be glad because they`ve been a bit powderpuff up front so far.

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They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 20:52

I think they`ve looked dangerous tbh

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 22:02

What has happened to the beautiful game ? We are now using a snickometer to determine if the ball has hit a finger ?

You have to feel for Denmark. The ball didn’t even deflect using the naked eye




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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 22:12

Quote:

widtink, Sat 29 Jun 19:32

Italy were dire .
Not sure why.
They looked pretty decent in the group stage.
Maybe just a bad day at the office.


I had to read this a few times just to check it wasn`t some kind of post-modern poetry
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 22:57

The Swiss are nothing spectacular, just well organised, no superstars, tactically astute with a good manager, everything that Scotland were not. What an opportunity we missed in this competition. I really think that we should bring in a foreign coach. Bertie Vogts had no chance at the time but with the current crop of players I think we could do a lot better. Mogadon man Clarke had had is day…..hopefully..

Why are Italy so bad these days ?

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Topic Originator: weemike  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 23:19

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desparado, Sat 29 Jun 22:57

The Swiss are nothing spectacular, just well organised, no superstars, tactically astute with a good manager, everything that Scotland were not. What an opportunity we missed in this competition. I really think that we should bring in a foreign coach. Bertie Vogts had no chance at the time but with the current crop of players I think we could do a lot better. Mogadon man Clarke had had is day…..hopefully..

Why are Italy so bad these days ?


No superstars but players from leverkusen, Man City, inter Milan, dortmond, Newcastle

An extremely talented and well organised team.
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Livingston Par  
Date:   Sat 29 Jun 23:54

Agreed Raymie I`m sick of it and I had money on Germany tonight.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 07:35

Italy were absolutely woeful. Very few players good enough to wear the shirt. The only consolation for ABE fans is that Switzerland will be stiffer opposition for England than Italy would have been.

Some guy said so on the radio - he made no mention of Iceland - I mean Slovakia. 🙂



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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 08:03

Italy were terrible, they looked like a team that had never played together before, and in fact probably haven`t. Spalleti made 6 changes from the previous game and he had also shuffled the pack in the other group games. The Swiss on the other hand have had a consistent group of players for a while. I`d say there is very little difference in the individual quality of the players.

The German penalty was ridiculous and the offside so so tight. You can`t eliminate the subjectiveness of handball and other decisions, let the on-field officials makes decisions and just get on with it.

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Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 08:33

Hopefully Arsene Wenger manages to push through his proposed amendment to the offside rule because to have a goal disallowed for a toe being offside is ludicrous. The handball decision was a joke. Innocuous, accidental, unavoidable and at point blank range - I’ve said it all before. Application of the rules blah blah blah- then the rules are wrong- just plain wrong.

As for Italy- struggling to understand how a team that won the tournament, deservedly, only 3 years ago can become so insipid.



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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Kdy Par  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 10:04

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1985Par, Sun 30 Jun 08:33

Hopefully Arsene Wenger manages to push through his proposed amendment to the offside rule because to have a goal disallowed for a toe being offside is ludicrous. The handball decision was a joke. Innocuous, accidental, unavoidable and at point blank range - I’ve said it all before. Application of the rules blah blah blah- then the rules are wrong- just plain wrong.

As for Italy- struggling to understand how a team that won the tournament, deservedly, only 3 years ago can become so insipid.


Agree with your thoughts but even if the new rule is introduced there are still going to be margin calls decided by millimetres.

VAR was supposed to enhance the game but it’s the only thing it’s done is ruin it.

I’d like to see a time limit introduced on VAR calls, 30 seconds. If a decision can’t be reached then the on field decision applies.
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 13:03

I wonder if they could have some kind of tolerance applied to offside decisions by VAR?

So on field decision can only be overruled if it`s wrong by (?) 5cm.
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 13:23

All that will happen then is the decisions ruled out at 5.1cm will be claimed to be harsh... There has to be a line somewhere so there will always be tight calls. Only way to stop it is to remove offside...

As for the handball, with incidents like the Denmark one, rather than a penalty, if its clear there`s no intent, is to give an indirect freekick...

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 16:49

Handball, and intent is also subjective though. Presumably VAR/Oliver thought he raised his arm with the intent to block the cross? Otherwise, if it was believed to be a natural position for his arm, and from such a short distance - how can you award a penalty?

Just go with the on field decision! The game doesn`t need VAR.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 17:25

Gooooallll Slovakia!

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 17:29

Long ball, knock down, incisive pass, goal.

England slow, ponderous, Pep style garbage.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 17:37

Fair to compare Slovakia to Scotland?

Is a midfield of Gilmour, McGinn & McTominay worse than Duda, Lobotka & Kucka? Gilmour isn`t at the level of Lobotka - but no reason why he can`t get there.

We don`t have a defender of Skriniar`s pedigree but otherwise?

I don`t see a big difference in terms of individual quality, but a massive difference in terms of tactics and mindset.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 18:02

I fell asleep, I think after about 20 minutes, it was really pleasing waking up to the pundits speaking at halftime 😂
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 18:10

Goal ... Englandshire ....
Hang on .... VAR .... Offside .
Big half for Southgate.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 18:15

I used to like Southgate, he started off putting out a first eleven on merit and was reaping the rewards for some time.

He’s bottled it this campaign though, by refusing to use the other players at his disposal- Palmer and Gordon for example have had belters of seasons. Instead he knackers out Bellingham, Foden etc.

The style of play is also brutal. I usually want them to progress but they deserve to be knocked out.
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Berkey  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 18:22

England have a decent team but Kane is the weak link, not even winning many free kicks. He’s either carrying an injury or his legs have gone but either way he’s barely contributing anything and not Moving the defenders to make space for other etc.

Alas Kane is untouchable so until he retires this might be the best they get.

The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 18:24

Halfway through the second half and yet to make a substitution, when you have:

Palmer
Gordon
Watkins
Eze

All on the bench who have shown up this season.

Embarrassing stuff.

Palmer has come on, only because Trippier injured and they’ve stuck Saka left back when TAA is on the bench?

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: USMac  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 18:37

England to score in added time and then lose on penalties.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 18:38

Tyrick Mitchell has missed three games in three years for Palace yet Gareth chose to take a player that’s been injured since February and left having to play right footed players at left back.

Keeps playing Kane, Saka and Bellingham, who have been poor, not having the bottle to play guys like Watkins, Palmer and Eze

He will be sacked soon




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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 18:42

Nothing worse than greeting English commentators!
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 18:54

Bellingham has has a superb season but no excuse for this laughable fodder England are serving up. Southgate is just another gutless defense minded manager. They should be ashamed of themselves. Cheering me right up though 😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 😂 😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 😂 😃 😀

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 18:58

You had to count your chickens with only a couple of minutes to go. Names on the trophy it seems.

And although my eyes were open
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:00

Thing is it’s not a dreadful display by England. They’ve hit the post (twice?) and made plenty of good runs into the Slovakia box. Bellingham’s goal was a cracker. The pundits wrote them off too quickly but they heap so much pressure on them right from the start of the campaign.
Into ET and it’s all about the next 30 mins and god forbid penalties.

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:00

Jammy but I’d bet all the money I had that they won’t win the tourney




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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:01

Slovakia won`t recover from this
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:01

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buffy, Sun 30 Jun 19:00

Thing is it’s not a dreadful display by England. They’ve hit the post (twice?) and made plenty of good runs into the Slovakia box. Bellingham’s goal was a cracker. The pundits wrote them off too quickly but they heap so much pressure on them right from the start of the campaign.
Into ET and it’s all about the next 30 mins and god forbid penalties.


It was dreadful, Buffy




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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:03

And there ye have it. Kane

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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:04

Slovaks were panicking with the ball in the last 10 mins and gave it back repeatedly when they should have been seeing it out.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:05

Who is going to stop them Raymie? Switzerland? Austria or maybe Netherlands in the semis? Aye they might struggle in the final but by then it`s a one off occasion and in many aspects a flip of the coin.

And although my eyes were open
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:10

The Swiss will give them a right game.
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:11

They won’t get to the final.




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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:13

They`ll be competitive but apart from Iceland in 2016 I can`t remember when England have lost a knockout game against a side that most would expect them to win. Like in the qualifiers to tournaments they just steamroller the lesser lights and find a way to win.

And although my eyes were open
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: USMac  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:20

Slovakia are not out of this. England are dropping deep on cue. I still think we are going to penalties.

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:38

Fisticuffs between Slovakia manager and Rice

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 19:38

Dickford

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 20:07

Aye he`s a thoroughly unlikeable character

And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 20:09

You could kind of understand Pickford being a total erse if he was world class but he is genuinely the most average run of the mill keeper in England. He plays for relegation fodder, is never linked to a top club and isn’t exactly in anyone’s dream teams. Maybe it’s his face that I find bothersome? It’s very smug. Very English.

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 20:18

What a stoater from Georgia!

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 20:25

I think England should put things in perspective. At the start of this tournament they were ranked 4th in the world and Slovakia were 48th. That`s 9 places below us!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 20:35

Spain are in a bit of bother here. One down and chasing the game the Georgians are looking very dangerous on the counter attack. Do the Spanish have the same minerals that England showed or will they wilt under the pressure of expectation.

And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 20:41

That answers that!

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 21:09

Spain v Georgia is a cracking watch. Everything that the England games have not been




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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 21:10

Cracking goal

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 21:12

Spain are certainly more direct than they were, even from when Scotland beat them. And Georgia are so quick in the counter attack... But now Spain are ahead I can see them trying to take the sting out of it now

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 21:15

Even after Georgia scored Spain didn`t panic.
Georgia are basically sitting in and hitting on the counter.... A dangerous game to play against arguably one of the better teams left in the tournament.
2-1 now and I can see more goals.
But fir who? 🤔

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: JnrB  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 21:25

Spain look decent. They are direct, move the ball very quickly and aren’t afraid to have a shot.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 21:26

Morata has an excellent scoring record for Spain yet you feel that the Spanish could be so much more lethal up front with a better alternative.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 21:35

Oh for a player like Nico Williams. Pace to burn and he makes good decisions.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 21:44

Or Yamal or Ruiz or Olmo or Pedri or …..




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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 21:53

A thumping in the end.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 21:59

A very entertaining game. Lamal and Williams can be sensational and I really hope Spain can get past Germany in the quarters though with home advantage it`ll be tough.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 22:14

I love how the Spanish have evolved from tiki taki to direct and pressing. Williams has been sensational all tournament and surely in with a shout of best player. What a lad. The young boy too, 16 I think? Some talent. They`re set up so effectively, willing to take risks in the final 3rd and knowing they can mop up most counters effectively.

Fair fcks to Georgia. Gave it a right go, just beaten by a better team. Their fans were great too. Spain have some team but shyte fans, offer nothing at all even when winning.

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Topic Originator: SusieQ  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 22:32

Best game I`ve seen since getting home - we know how awkward Georgia can be, but the better team of course won in the end.

Such a shame the best 2 sides left meet in the next round 🇩🇪 🇪🇦

Looking forward to France Belgium tomorrow tho. Hopefully a decent game 👏🏼🤞🏼


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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 09:54

I`m going to go against popular opinion here and say England deserved to go through yesterday. They didn`t play particularly well but dominated possession and came very close on several occasions before scoring with their first two strikes on target. Slovakia limited themselves to defending their lead with some "hefty" tackles and the odd counterattack. I thought they were fortunate to avoid at least one red card.

England will definitely need to up their game if they hope to reach the semi-finals. Switzerland are a much better team than Slovakia. Well organised, everyone knows their role (Southgate take note) and superbly marshalled by Manuel Akanji in defence. If they were to somehow win this tournament, they would be the poorest and dullest since Greece in 2004.



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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: 1985Par  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 10:44

I agree GG Riva. England were poor but you cannot say Slovakia were better. They spent most of the 90 minutes in a “ low block “ which England struggled to break down because of their insistence to play a slow build up from the back. It’s no coincidence that their 2 goals came from lobbing the ball onto Toneys head. British teams are crap at “ continental “ football. They should stick to what they’re good at. Direct doesn’t necessarily mean aimless long balls.

I also think England will fare a bit better when they come up against a team who have a bit more of the ball.



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 10:45

Too early to call that GG. They still have three games left. They could conceivably crush a Swiss team that couldn`t beat us, win a highly entertaining semi against the Austrians before winning a thrilling final against the hosts in Berlin.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 11:04

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Mon 1 Jul 10:45

Too early to call that GG. They still have three games left. They could conceivably crush a Swiss team that couldn`t beat us, win a highly entertaining semi against the Austrians before winning a thrilling final against the hosts in Berlin.


Your dream could well turn into a nightmare before Saturday is done, TOWK. 😀

What puzzles many of us is how a team containing so many talented players can play such pedestrian football. That`s 4 games now, and England haven`t looked much better than Scotland, yet they`re still 4/1 joint favs with Spain to win the tournament. Germany is 9/2. To my mind, both Spain and Germany are playing football several levels above anything we`ve seen so far from England.

Crush the Swiss, aye? Wishful thinking..... daydreams fly 😉



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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 11:16

The difference Spain have some tough games ahead - the Germans, then probably the French before the Final.

Whoever comes through that side of the draw will likely be favourites in the final, whoever comes through the other side (which I very much expect to be England).

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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 11:19

I agree, Slovakia played well first half, but second half they offered nothing, and ultimately this was their downfall.

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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 13:29

Yes, Bandy’s right. Spain and Germany aren’t favourites because one of them is going out on Friday.

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 14:06

Spain have ben excellent going forward, but not sure their defence is strong enough to go on and lift the trophy?




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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 14:45

Believe me GG, I have no desire to see England win the trophy and would be ecstatic if the Swiss dumped them out on Saturday afternoon not this England team is vastly experienced at the business end of tournaments. They are zeroing in on their third semi from the last four tournaments. Extraordinary.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 17:19

I have a feeling England will come good in the quarters and semi with some vastly improved performances.

The final will be 50:50 - whoever they face in the final will be a tough game, and they`ll likely be more `match tight` than England.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 18:17

France v Belgium - France play a lot of first-time passes. Griezmann is particularly good at them and seems to know instinctively where his team-mates are or will move to.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 18:24

Terrible game




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Topic Originator: DJAS  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 18:26

Aye it has been p***.





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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 19:53

France have been every bit as underwhelming and lacklustre as England. They`ll probably both make the final.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 19:59

Belgium were slowing the game down from the 1st minute which didn`t make for a great spectacle.Poor game but France were the better side.
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 22:14

Holymoly fantastic save!
It’s just not Ronaldo’s night

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Topic Originator: stevemac  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 22:20

Tonight is exactly why Ronaldo is disliked by so many. Tonight is all about him scoring to break the record rather than for the country getting through. 😡

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 22:22

I don`t think the Portuguese players will fancy taking pens against Oblak!
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 22:23

I`ve seen players crying after missing a crucial penalty in a penalty shoot out many times before, but to cry like a little girl when there are still 15 minutes left? Just wow,what an unbelievable sissy boy the great Ronaldo is.

Wahhhhh
Wahhhhh
😭😭😭😭
Wahhhhh
Wahhhhh

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Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 22:36

Will he be taking pen number 5?

Maybe not...


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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 22:43

What a keeper saving all those penalties!
Portugal through

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 22:45

Hats off to Ronaldo for taking the first one and setting the standard for the others.
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 22:49

Feel a bit sorry for Slovenia as I thought they did well up til then

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 23:20

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wee eck, Mon 1 Jul 22:45

Hats off to Ronaldo for taking the first one and setting the standard for the others.


Come on, wee eck. He’s a narcissist and age has caught up with him but the manager isn’t brave enough to drop him




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Topic Originator: stevemac  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 23:33

Raymie the Legend wrote:

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wee eck, Mon 1 Jul 22:45
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> Hats off to Ronaldo for taking the first one and setting the
> standard for the others.

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> Come on, wee eck. He’s a narcissist and age has caught up
> with him but the manager isn’t brave enough to drop him
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>
>
> Post Edited (Mon 01 Jul 23:21)


Absolutely spot on ,on all levels!

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 23:42

I know he is but in that situation I think he did the right thing rather than hide. The tears were a joke for a professional player.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 07:13

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 1 Jul 14:45

Believe me GG, I have no desire to see England win the trophy and would be ecstatic if the Swiss dumped them out on Saturday afternoon not this England team is vastly experienced at the business end of tournaments. They are zeroing in on their third semi from the last four tournaments. Extraordinary.


I know, mate. Just pulli3ng your leg. 😉

I don`t like games being decided by penalties but that was high drama last night. Like him or loathe him, Ronaldo showed a lot of cajones in stepping up to take the first kick. You had to feel for Oblak. All the talk before the pens was about him being Slovenia`s hero and he couldn’t get near one, whereas Costa, with no great expectations, saved the lot. Fitbaw eh?



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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 07:29

Whats the rule on takers stopping during their run up? I thought that was outlawed, yet Ronaldo did it last night.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 07:42

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EastEndTales, Tue 2 Jul 07:29

Whats the rule on takers stopping during their run up? I thought that was outlawed, yet Ronaldo did it last night.


Lewandowski got away with murder in the group stages

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 15:47

Today`s offerings are Romania Vs Netherlands (coverage starts at 16:30) on bbc1.
Austria Vs Turkey is later on stv .
Programme starts at 19:00.
I`m going for wins for the Dutch and Turkey.

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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 15:59

Think the Dutch against the Romanians could be a tight affair. Wouldn`t be surprised to see it go either way.
In the later match I fancy the Austrians to beat Turkey.They beat them 6-1 a couple of months ago albeit in a friendly.Turkey had 11 yellows in their last match so must have some suspensions to deal with?
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 17:20

Go the Netherlands! Cracking goal

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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 17:45

Why is there a player wearing an oversized snooker table pocket on his head? If it`s a fashion thing then I really am out of touch.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 17:47

Quote:

kozmasrightfoot, Tue 2 Jul 17:45

Why is there a player wearing an oversized snooker table pocket on his head? If it`s a fashion thing then I really am out of touch.


Injured early on and their is a bandage in it
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 18:42

Yay Netherlands 🇳🇱

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 18:52

Easypeasy Netherlands 🇳🇱 3-0

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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 19:14

Another child running on the pitch.

Wtf is this pathetic trend all about? Selfies? Shove the wee b@stards up the chimneys for being so stupid.

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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 19:46

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kozmasrightfoot, Tue 2 Jul 17:45

Why is there a player wearing an oversized snooker table pocket on his head? If it`s a fashion thing then I really am out of touch.


Hair net to keep in place a large sticky dressing on Hagis head from an earlier cut - guessing from where the cut was they couldn’t wrap a bandage round it.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 21:42

This is a brilliant game. Austria giving everything. Hopefully they get back level

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Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 21:53

What a save that was! Deserved to win after that...

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Topic Originator: PansPar  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 21:57

That save was immense.

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 22:00

Really good game.
I enjoyed that .

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 22:03

Gordon Banks-esque. World class

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 22:26

I just knew as soon as the save was made that the commentators would make a reference to Gordon Banks. They were even comparing Gular to Foden. It`s as if any world class player cannot be acknowledged without it being compared in inferior terms to an englishman
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Topic Originator: jojo  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 23:23

Sam Matterface commentating what else would you expect ….. terrible commentator!!
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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Wed 3 Jul 02:58

To be fair, all football nations probably have a domestic reference they use to compare with something they see on the pitch. In Scotland we talk about a mazy dribble through the penalty box as an Archie Gemmell moment (or for Pars fans, a Barry Nic moment).

It was a great save, however you define it. And unlike Banks` save, it won the match for his team.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 17:33

Spain v Germany - has disappointed so far. Neither team looks keen to commit. Lots of niggly fouls making life difficult for Anthony Taylor. One from each side will already miss the semi if their side progresses.
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 18:56

Quote:

wee eck, Fri 5 Jul 17:33

Spain v Germany - has disappointed so far. Neither team looks keen to commit. Lots of niggly fouls making life difficult for Anthony Taylor. One from each side will already miss the semi if their side progresses.


I take it you feel different now? This is a cracking game

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 19:00

It has certainly come to life. All to play for in ET.
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Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 19:22

It`ll be interesting to see how they justify that one not being a penalty.

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 19:37

Spain down to ten men
And
Germany out!

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 19:41

Did they say 17 cards?!!! Don`t know how many Spaniards will miss the semi.

Quick refreshment and on to Portugal v France!
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 19:42

Do ye think they might hold on til I get back fae Tesco, wee eck?

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Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 19:44

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buffy, Fri 5 Jul 19:42

Do ye think they might hold on til I get back fae Tesco, wee eck?


Can you summon thunderstorms?

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 20:00

I wanted Spain to win but feel gutted for Germany. They didn`t deserve to lose. Football can be so cruel.



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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 20:06

Quote:

parsfan, Fri 5 Jul 19:44

Quote:

buffy, Fri 5 Jul 19:42

Do ye think they might hold on til I get back fae Tesco, wee eck?


Can you summon thunderstorms?


Only with a wee dance roond the fire and feathers in ma hair!

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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 20:54

Rio Ferdinand. . .how long do we need to suffer that clown ?

Had to turn the TV over. . .Will tune in again when 2nd half starts.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 21:11

Every single game in this. Every single champions league game




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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 21:12

Southgate has a problem. His teams get leaked all the time




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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 21:38

Michael Oliver having a poor game.




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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 22:05

Can we now put in the bin the idea that over lapping fullbacks , inverted full backs can cross the ball or beat a man better than a winger wide man .
Nothing worse than watching guys who don`t have the ability and are asked to don`t what they can`t do .
Just play wide men in the wide areas .

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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 22:33

Complete inability to cross the ball from Portugal.
It’s like Portugal have been told to to keep the ball away from Ronaldo.
On thé very few occasions that they tried to cross, it was blocked or didn’t clear the first defender.
Turgid, boring stuff.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 22:59

Didier Deschamps was famously referred to as the `water carrier` and he`s moulded his teams into that same laborious, industrial style. Utterly boring and unambitious. They`ll probably win the thing though.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 23:07

I think France have the best defence which might just see them over the line.
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Fri 5 Jul 23:07

I think you are right, wee eck




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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 00:17

The French keeper made some great saves

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 06:24

A Spain - Turkey final would be good.



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 10:54

I`d take that GG as it means England haven`t made the final but after seeing the Dutch so impressively dismantle Romania I think I`d rather see them make it all the way.
Think it`s about time UEFA and indeed FIFA at the world cup rethink the two yellows leads to a one match suspension. A whole host of players will miss the semis because of picking two yellow cards over five games and with how easy it can be these days to pick up a yellow it seems very harsh.

And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 11:03

I thought yellow cards were going to be cleared after the group matches or maybe the last 16 but it seems not. Is that right?

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Topic Originator: DJAS  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 11:17

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wee eck, Sat 6 Jul 11:03

I thought yellow cards were going to be cleared after the group matches or maybe the last 16 but it seems not. Is that right?


End of quarter final stage.





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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 11:27

Thanks, DJAS. As TOWK says bookings are given so cheaply now it`s very easy to get two in five games.

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 12:17

I could be wrong but is there a flaw in the rules with suspensions at the moment.

Example is the Spain Germany game, Carvajal got booked earlier on which if I recall meant he was suspended for the semi final.

They go ahead and in the dying minute just deliberately grabs Musiala takes the additional yellow, leading to a red which doesn’t make a difference as he was banned for the semi anyway?
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Topic Originator: jojo  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 13:38

Simple …. As it was a cynical and deliberate foul give him a 2 match ban so misses final too potentially
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 14:01

Kroos should have been off last night, numerous offences plus a mission to remove Pedri.

That kind of backfired as Olmo was the star!

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 16:03

Southgate has been on the phone to our manager and voila, 3-4-2-1 formation




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Topic Originator: kelty_par  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 16:27

Of course Konsa for Guehi is the only personnel change so playing that way could have surprised the Swiss and gave them something extra to think about. Instead it was leaked on Mknday or Tuesday that they were going to three at the back, and so they`ve had almost a week to come up with a game plan. Great stuff from the English media again.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 16:33

The Swiss have some very good players but England have more and have tremendous options on the bench. Play this tie one hundred times and England progress 70 odd times.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 17:25

Hopefully today`s games are better than yesterday`s snoozefests. England to scrape through again unfortunately and I`ve got a sneaky feeling that this evening`s match will be very entertaining for some reason.
I reckon Turkey will have a good crack at it with an all out attack mentality, this will result in them either gubbing the Dutch by 3 or 4, or for the Dutch to score against the run of play then hold onto their lead playing boringly defencive.

I`m always wrong though,as well as being an extreme Jonah so don`t wage any bets going on my predictions lol.

1 nil England and either 3 nil Turkey or 1 nil for the Netherlands.

Guaranteed nil nils after 120 minutes 🥱

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 17:48

Nil nil at halftime but it`s looking like it`s just a matter of time before the English unlock the Swiss defence. A Switzerland side that looked dangerous against us, Hungary, Germany and Italy look toothless today.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 17:53

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kozmasrightfoot, Sat 6 Jul 17:25

Hopefully today`s games are better than yesterday`s snoozefests. England to scrape through again unfortunately and I`ve got a sneaky feeling that this evening`s match will be very entertaining for some reason.
I reckon Turkey will have a good crack at it with an all out attack mentality, this will result in them either gubbing the Dutch by 3 or 4, or for the Dutch to score against the run of play then hold onto their lead playing boringly defencive.

I`m always wrong though,as well as being an extreme Jonah so don`t wage any bets going on my predictions lol.

1 nil England and either 3 nil Turkey or 1 nil for the Netherlands.

Guaranteed nil nils after 120 minutes 🥱


Snoozefests plural? Portugal -France was poor but Spain - Germany was a great watch after the first goal.



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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 17:55

First half maybe but 2nd half Portugal France was decent.

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 17:57

Got it on mute just now, thought I might have got rid of Shearer on the red button, no such luck!🤔🙉🤬
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 18:30

1-1

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 18:51

It used to be that England would often take the lead in these sort of games but then not see it out. This England team seems to be a different beast. Young players that don`t seem to have any fear or panic when they are up against it.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 19:44

I think that I`m about a quarter English (2 English grandparents). I feel like sawing my legs off with the hedge trimmer.

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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 19:47

England are going to win this
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 19:49

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dafc-chris1, Sat 6 Jul 19:47

England are going to win this


You`d think so but I honestly can`t see them beating Spain or France.

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 19:50

How can one country get so much luck over the last ten years ?




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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 19:59

Shearer was bigging up Pickford`s save but it was as poor a penalty as you would ever see.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 20:00

I`m glad it wasn`t just me that thought it was a poor penalty... As someone who used to play in goals, Akanji might as well wrote a note to Pickford and told him exactly where he was putting it

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 20:01

It’s as poor a penalty as you are likely to see at this level but a great save, according to oor Alan




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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 20:08

Akanji took a terrible penalty but every one of England`s spot kicks were expertly dispatched. They`ll certainly be full of confidence if any of their last two games go to penalties. It`ll come down to Spain or France stopping them then I`d have to think France would have a better chance of resisting them than Spain who I worry don`t have the streetsmarts to see off England.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 20:11

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kozmasrightfoot, Sat 6 Jul 19:44

I think that I`m about a quarter English (2 English grandparents). I feel like sawing my legs off with the hedge trimmer.


🤣😂🤣 I heard England are `stumbling with momentum`. That was torpor-inducing. I gave up at halftime and forced myself to watch the last 8 mins of ET and the pens. Switzerland had a couple of chances to win it then. Shame Akanji messed up as he`s been outstanding throughout this tournament.



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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 20:19

England are finding ways to win.

France look awful, Spain have been brilliant going forward but weak defensively.

I fancy England to beat either the Dutch or the Turks (who have been massively disasvantaged by Demiral`s ban), then the final is a toss up.

They were favourites for a good reason - they`ve progressed to the semis without a single good performance. That`s the mark of a very good team.

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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 20:46

Spain defensively weak? Before Germany they conceded a single goal, an own goal.

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Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 20:47

They’ve just scraped by the European powerhouses of Slovakia and Switzerland. Each needing extra time. They’re by far the most overrated team in world football but it’s not always the best teams that wins tournaments. I hope it’s Türkiye that take them out.

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Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 20:53

I`d fancy Turkey beating England over Netherlands, going by the last couple of games anyway. Don`t see England being able to penetrate the defensive unit they set up, and England arent good enough at the back against their counter attack



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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 20:54

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General Zod, Sat 6 Jul 20:47

They’ve just scraped by the European powerhouses of Slovakia and Switzerland. Each needing extra time. They’re by far the most overrated team in world football but it’s not always the best teams that wins tournaments. I hope it’s Türkiye that take them out.


Turkey looking good to go through at this point. (HT) The Dutch seem flummoxed. They aren`t coping with Turkey`s enthusiasm and battling determination.



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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 21:07

The former pundits were looking for Southgate’s head on a platter only a few days ago.

FWIW I thought it was a good game.

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Topic Originator: weemike  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 21:15

They’re by far the most overrated team in world football but it’s not always the best teams that wins tournaments. I hope it’s Türkiye that take them out.

Strongly disagree. they have one of the best squads, if not the best. They are not overrated but there is issues with how they set up and play.

They are grinding out results without playing well. The scary thing is that there is a lot more to come from them.
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 21:29


Now that’s a goal ! Equaliser by the Netherlands oooft

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 21:34

And another!

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 6 Jul 21:59

So the Turks have fire in the belly! But it will take more than bellyfire to be the next euro champions.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 20:13

Spain v France - fantastic cross from Mbappe. Looks like a different player without the mask!

I thought Oliver or Taylor would have ref`d this one. They obviously can`t ref tomorrow`s semi. Does that mean they`ve been sent home?

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 20:23

Possibly the best goal of the tournament that equaliser!
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 20:26

Goal feast!
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Topic Originator: Parsweep  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 20:32

England can count themselves lucky they`re not on that pitch tonight . Either of these 2 would rip them to bits on this showing .

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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 20:48

Hope most Scottish managers follow the Spanish style of play , rather than the boring low block keech

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Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 21:33

What makes Germany`s penalty claim any more legit than Scotland`s. We just accepted the decision with good grace but the Germans have to organise a petition to get the game replayed and hound the referee, Taylor, out of the country. You would hope the host nation would act with more good grace, rather than act like spoiled kids.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 21:42

Giroud knew what he was doing there. Rat

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 21:57

Cracking match

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Topic Originator: USMac  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 22:05

3 top-drawer goals tonight:
- super cross by Mbappe standing still
- ridiculous equalizer by 16-year old
- 2 fabulous touches by Olmo on 3d

Why do I think we will see anti-football tomorrow?

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 22:34

How poor was Mbappe all tournament ?




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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 9 Jul 22:45

I presume his broken nose and resultant mask affected him but he was disappointing tonight after starting well.
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 09:01

Boy has pace but never really shone a lot for France.
Williams Jnr will surpass him in the next few years easily.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 09:14

At the age of 25 he`s the third top goal scorer for France. He`ll become the leading scorer in the next couple of years. He`s scored in two world cup final matches and scorer a hat trick in the last one. I`d say he`s shone for France.

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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 09:14

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EastEndTales, Wed 10 Jul 09:01

Boy has pace but never really shone a lot for France.
Williams Jnr will surpass him in the next few years easily.


What utter nonsense 😂🤦🏻‍♂️
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 10:39

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Raymie the Legend, Tue 9 Jul 22:34

How poor was Mbappe all tournament ?


What did you expect, Raymie. He`s rather overhyped, don`t you think? 🤔
Wait until you cast your eyes on some proper world-class players tonight. Their names trip off the tongue so easily;

Pickford, Walker, Stones, Shaw.... etc.



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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 19:57

England will make history by squashing the Oranje tonight. Far too many world class players for the Dutch to have any chance - you heard it there first.



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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:08

Goalllllllll
Netherlands!

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:10

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GG Riva, Wed 10 Jul 19:57

England will make history by squashing the Oranje tonight. Far too many world class players for the Dutch to have any chance - you heard it there first.


Aw naw! I`ve gone and jinxed them. 😑



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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:16

Penalty to England

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:18

Football is finished if that`s a penalty

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:18

1-1 Kane

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Topic Originator: stevemac  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:19

VAR can GTF if that`s a penalty 😡

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Topic Originator: king lad  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:19

Absolute joke of a decision
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Topic Originator: gordi-b  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:20

Blatant cheating never a penalty

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Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:20

Never a pen . WTF. And a Yellow. OMG .

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:23

Penalty decisions are just a lottery now. That lady who adjudicates decisions for ITV is usually spot-on with her verdicts and even she said there was no need for VAR to get involved in that one.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:29

Thats surely a penalty as well then?

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:38

England are a far better team when they play on the front foot - maybe a tactic forced on them by the loss of that early goal. Foden on fire.



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Topic Originator: stevemac  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:57

Ian Wright thinks it`s a penalty. What a Walloper😡

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 20:59

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stevemac, Wed 10 Jul 20:57

Ian Wright thinks it`s a penalty. What a Walloper😡


Get him off the telly. And Lee Dixon. They`re embarrassing

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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:00

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stevemac, Wed 10 Jul 20:57

Ian Wright thinks it`s a penalty. What a Walloper😡


Wright is Unbelievable even said it was reckless ….. - then they show replay in slow motion it’s 5050 ball - Dumfries kicks the ball first and Kane kicks him so either was heehaw or freekick to Holland
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:04

I think if that had been Scotland, everyone on here would have been screaming for a pen. I think that Kane would hit the target without Dumfries`s challenge.

England unlucky not to be ahead, and I don`t say that easily.



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:08

Personally don`t think that was a penalty but Southgate has Koeman beaten tactically thus far.

And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:10

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stevemac, Wed 10 Jul 20:57

Ian Wright thinks it`s a penalty. What a Walloper😡


Get him off the telly. And Lee Dixon. They`re embarrassing

Don’t watch them and vote for independence…. Job done!

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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:16

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GG Riva, Wed 10 Jul 21:04

I think if that had been Scotland, everyone on here would have been screaming for a pen. I think that Kane would hit the target without Dumfries`s challenge.

England unlucky not to be ahead, and I don`t say that easily.


Kane kicking a defender with a follow through at knee height - penalty

Armstrong stepping in front of defender and getting calf wiped out - no penalty

Make it make sense…..
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Topic Originator: weemike  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:21

Dumfries came at him foot raised, and the studs showing. As Ian Wright said. "In the age of Var that`s reckless"

I don`t agree, but see why it was given.

Was refreshing to hear Gary Neville calling it disgraceful.
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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:25

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weemike, Wed 10 Jul 21:21

Dumfries came at him foot raised, and the studs showing. As Ian Wright said. "In the age of Var that`s reckless"

I don`t agree, but see why it was given.

Was refreshing to hear Gary Neville calling it disgraceful.


Anyone who`s played football at any level knows that`s never a penalty.

If Gary Neville says it isn`t when it`s for England, that`s enough to highlight how clear it is that it should never be given.
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Topic Originator: weemike  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:32


Anyone who`s played football at any level knows that`s never a penalty.

But this is top level with VAR, and it obviously is.

I don`t agree with the decision, but it was made due to the studs. That`s the future unfortunately.
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Topic Originator: stevemac  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:38

For a team supposedly crammed with "World class talent" they really are ***** to watch!.
I obviously don`t want them to win but the second part of the first half shows what is possible when the shackles are off !

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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:50

1-2 England

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:52

To be fair that`s a brilliant finish

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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:54

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weemike, Wed 10 Jul 21:32

Anyone who`s played football at any level knows that`s never a penalty.

But this is top level with VAR, and it obviously is.

I don`t agree with the decision, but it was made due to the studs. That`s the future unfortunately.


That`s my point. Any player knows that should never be a penalty, but the slo mo VAR makes it look like it could be. Absolute nonsense.
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:57

Great game to watch and actually chuffed for England. Brilliant goal to finish.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 21:59

Said it previously. This England team is made of different minerals to previous incarnations. Heart, desire, spirit, cajones, call it what you want but this English team has it in spades. The Spaniards will have their work cut out if they are to triumph on Sunday.
You certainly would be brave to bet against Keir Starmers first new years honour list including a knighthood for Southgate.


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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 22:06

Spain are a different kettle of fish from EVERY team England have played this tournament. They will also "have their work cut out"

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Topic Originator: d3monstrate  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 22:10

Itll be interesting to see how both teams play, Spain will be all too aware of the threat England have up front, but will want to be on the front foot... And going on what`s went before, Southgate will let them, looking for Kane to fall over at any point the ball goes near him as usual

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Topic Originator: Alf  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 22:22

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I think if that had been Scotland, everyone on here would have been screaming for a pen. I think that Kane would hit the target without Dumfries`s challenge.

England unlucky not to be ahead, and I don`t say that easily.


The ball was away by the time the challenge came in, not even close to going in
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 22:58

It's the classic 'a free kick anywhere else on the pitch'. I think the biggest issue is that in no way was it `clear and obvious`. The ref was utter rank, as bad as anything we saw in league 1

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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 23:03

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GG Riva, Wed 10 Jul 21:04

I think if that had been Scotland, everyone on here would have been screaming for a pen. I think that Kane would hit the target without Dumfries`s challenge.

England unlucky not to be ahead, and I don`t say that easily.


Just plain wrong , Refereeing expert said I was wrong , ex professional player said it was wrong , it was a complete wrong decision

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: doctordandruff  
Date:   Wed 10 Jul 23:06

Just seen the replay and it clearly comes of Saka`s extended arm to land at Kane. Absolutely awful
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: thebear  
Date:   Thu 11 Jul 00:24

A player kicks the ball at waist height, cleanly but too high, in his follow through he kicks the sole of a defender. Panel says no penalty, lady ref says no penalty, var says have a look, so ref gives it. It makes the game farcical and a lottery

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Thu 11 Jul 00:37

The corruption is obvious . VAR wasn’t brought in for the betterment of the game . It was brought in so that they can determine the outcome of the game.
Scotland vs Hungary game . That’s more of a pen than that nonsense .
I’m finished with the game .
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Paralex  
Date:   Thu 11 Jul 01:32

I did think it was a penalty. If a player puts his studs out and catches a player as he clears the ball upfield, it`s inevitably a free kick and very often a yellow card. Why should it be different when it`s an attacker having a shot in the penalty box?

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Alf  
Date:   Thu 11 Jul 01:48

He didn`t catch his studs, Kane kicked the defenders boot
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: SergioDuarte  
Date:   Thu 11 Jul 02:32

Paralex…. Can I ask if you’d have accepted that if it happened against yous. ??

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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Thu 11 Jul 04:06

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Paralex, Thu 11 Jul 01:32

I did think it was a penalty. If a player puts his studs out and catches a player as he clears the ball upfield, it`s inevitably a free kick and very often a yellow card. Why should it be different when it`s an attacker having a shot in the penalty box?


Its not like Dumfries has gone in studs up, waist high and recklessly - hes dangled a leg out at knee height (same height as Kanes foot), side on and been booted in the underside of his foot trying to make a block……Kane then goes down like hes been shot and gets the pen - when a ref on the panel says its not a pen or even a “clear and obvious” error, then it shows how ridiculous the decision was…..
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 11 Jul 06:06

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DBA, Wed 10 Jul 21:25

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weemike, Wed 10 Jul 21:21

Dumfries came at him foot raised, and the studs showing. As Ian Wright said. "In the age of Var that`s reckless"

I don`t agree, but see why it was given.

Was refreshing to hear Gary Neville calling it disgraceful.


Anyone who`s played football at any level knows that`s never a penalty.

If Gary Neville says it isn`t when it`s for England, that`s enough to highlight how clear it is that it should never be given.


It`s all subjective opinions, I suppose. I`m in Italy just now and watched it on national TV. The panel were unanimous that it was a clear and obvious penalty both at halftime and after the game, and I can assure you none of them are England fans. A former Serie A ref also agreed with the decision.

I think it was harsh, but in the VAR age of forensic analysis, we`re going to get such decisions. Arry probably accentuated his tumble to make the challenge look worse than it was. Silly challenge by Dumfries but Kane probably scores if he doesn`t make it...



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 11 Jul 09:32

I wonder what the ref saw on the monitor that he hadn`t seen on the pitch? I`m curious about when `clear and obvious error` applies.

Lots of England fans are citing some heinous offence Koeman got away with against England over 30 years ago as justification for the decision!
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 Re: Euro 20024 thread pt2.
Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Thu 11 Jul 09:53

I don`t understand the view that it`s an obvious penalty. It seems like Dumfries has two options.

1. Don`t attempt to block and give Kane a free shot.
2. Attempt to block and give away a penalty.

I don`t see how Dumfries can attempt to block without `raising his studs` - the only other thing he can do is take a full blooded swing which is way more dangerous.

It also doesn`t make sense that Kane gets to take a free swing because he`s taking a shot and Dumfries isn`t because he`s defending. You see fouls given when a tackler is reckless in the `follow through` despite winning the ball, so why the difference with shots when you might also endanger an opponent? ultimately both feet were at the same height - the height of the ball.

To me this seems like `normal contact` - I don`t think one player was acting more dangerously than the other. And, when viewed at normal speed, I really really don`t see how not awarding a penalty can be considered a clear and obvious error - especially given some incidents that were not even reviewed like the potential penalty on Armstrong.

Certainly if VAR had not intervened I don`t think that incident would have been discussed at half-time, other than perhaps showing it as a `highlight` of a decent chance for England.

Whilst the decision may not be corrupt (despite Zwayer`s previous), or incompetent (since a weak argument can be made for its correctness), it`s definitely inconsistent with how VAR is intended to be used.

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