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 General Election
Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Wed 22 May 19:04

Called for July 4th…….

Now let the games begin!
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 22 May 19:29

Horrendous news as that means that Sunak has been tipped off by the Illuminati that they have decided it is the turn of England to win the Euros and the Prime Minister has decided to cash in on the euphoria that will generate.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 22 May 19:33

On another note though my respect for Swinney has just taken a nose dive after hearing him mumping about how this shows utter contempt for Scotland as it`s taking place during the school summer holidays!

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Wed 22 May 19:41

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Wed 22 May 19:33

On another note though my respect for Swinney has just taken a nose dive after hearing him mumping about how this shows utter contempt for Scotland as it`s taking place during the school summer holidays!


Not sure why you would lose respect for him for making a comment on it…….he has a valid point.

Why is it not in the first week of August during all school holidays?
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 22 May 19:53

What`s the argument against it happening during school holidays?

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 22 May 19:55

A Clever man would have had a Brolly

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 22 May 19:56

It was a bit pathetic that they could even organise some sort of canopy or , you know, announce it indoors.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Wed 22 May 20:08

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The One Who Knocks, Wed 22 May 19:53

What`s the argument against it happening during school holidays?


Lots of parents would be abroad I assume?
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 22 May 20:14

I`ll be on holiday then as well so I`ll have to apply for a postal vote.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 22 May 20:38

If he`s hoping to cash in on English success at the Euros he has miscalculated. The quarter finals start on 5 July.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Wed 22 May 20:45

Not one person came out of no10 with a brolly for him ....
Says a lot 🤣

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 22 May 21:22

Variation on a theme - Wally without a brolly...
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 22 May 22:28

Torry Folly

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 22 May 22:47

It’s not the done thing - parents on holiday, volunteers on holiday or with childcare responsibilities and the majority of voters, aka holiday makers in Scotland, take advantage of cheaper prices to get away during that time before the English schools break up
So a bit rubbish really as many will miss debates, information, interviews and likely even the polling day itself

There would be cries of foul play if it was scheduled for the English school holidays, evident by the fact that they hasn’t been done in about 80 years

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 22 May 23:14

I wonder if anyone mentioned to Sunak that the proposed date clashed with the Scottish school holidays?
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Wed 22 May 23:22


But it also means schools can be used as polling stations without disrupting the kids’ education.

The SNP literally asked for a summer election at PMQs, so it’s not a good look for Swinney to whinge about it.

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 22 May 23:41

You could have a summer election without it clashing with the school holidays in either England or Scotland.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Thu 23 May 00:14

wee eck wrote:

> You could have a summer election without it clashing with the
> school holidays in either England or Scotland.

Yeah, but it’d have to be in June then, and it’s too late for that. You need about 5 weeks notice I think.

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 23 May 00:54

You could have it in early September after the English schools go back. I see tonight some Tory MPs are so incensed by the decision they`re thinking of getting Sunak dismissed so Parliament can`t be dissolved in time for a 4 July election.

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Thu 23 May 05:32

Quote:

Tad Allagash, Wed 22 May 23:22


But it also means schools can be used as polling stations without disrupting the kids’ education.

The SNP literally asked for a summer election at PMQs, so it’s not a good look for Swinney to whinge about it.


Schools used to be used all the time for elections, a single Thursday closure wouldnt affect any kid in the slightest and would also educate them to why voting is important (despite politics being a scam).

This will just open up the way for conspiracy theorists again when the Tories get demolished as a “its vote rigging as Scotland all used postal votes” etc. as surely if you have a holiday booked you may apply for this process.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Thu 23 May 06:23

I imagine the person most happy with the election announcement was Paula Vennels - who I think (virtually no news coverage last night) admitted to lying to the select committee?
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Thu 23 May 07:45

‘You could have it in early September…’

You could, but then it wouldn’t be a summer election.

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 23 May 08:02

Oh yes it would...except for the weather man!

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 23 May 13:09

Tories continuing with the deception, a Conservative Councillor complete with high vi`s vest planted in a workforce.

Staged questions from said Councillor which gave Sunak a platform to mention the boats.😡
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 23 May 13:30

Rishi Sunak taking a brave approach to small talk at a brewery in Wales.

He asked workers if they`re looking forward to `all the football`. One quickly pointed out that Wales haven`t qualified for the Euros 😬

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower  
Date:   Thu 23 May 15:29

I read yesterday that there were allegedly 5 reasons behind Sunak`s surprise announcement. It may be interesting to see how many come true.

1. The RPI number announced yesterday is as good as it`s going to get for a few months - so they can make claims to have nearly reached their inflation target (but see my point on the other thread).

2. There is no fiscal space to promise tax cuts, so clinging on to offer a pre-election bribe is out.

3. The Rwanda scheme is likely to meet future hurdles - at the moment it is still just about standing; if they waited until Autumn it might have tripped up again. I think there was news about this today

4. There are likely to be many (whatever many is) small boats stuffed to the gunnels with potential illegal immigrants attempting to cross the channel over the summer, which will be embarrassing.

5. Going to the country sooner rather than later means Reform has less time to get organised. I note that Farage has today declined to put Richard Tice`s money where his mouth is.

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 23 May 15:39

Different Parliament, but Swinney has just handed his party’s opponents a gift to batter his lot with!

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 23 May 18:49



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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 23 May 18:52

Police Scotland`s report on Peter Murrell has gone to the Procurator Fiscal`s Office and the BBC have another excuse to show a picture of `the tent` Perfect timing!

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Thu 23 May 20:35

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wee eck, Thu 23 May 18:52

Police Scotland`s report on Peter Murrell has gone to the Procurator Fiscal`s Office and the BBC have another excuse to show a picture of `the tent` Perfect timing!


Looks like they`ve been sitting on it possibly till the Summer recess..and had to go with it now or wait until the election is over.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 23 May 20:58

It has only taken 2 years and 10 months right enough...

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 24 May 05:58

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wee eck, Thu 23 May 20:58

It has only taken 2 years and 10 months right enough...


Well it seems strange that two fraud cases relating to individuals within the SNP are both highlighted 24 hrs either side of the English government announce a GA. Imagine if the cases hit the media 2 weeks before the election.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Fri 24 May 12:53

Quote:

Tenruh, Fri 24 May 05:58

Quote:

wee eck, Thu 23 May 20:58

It has only taken 2 years and 10 months right enough...


Well it seems strange that two fraud cases relating to individuals within the SNP are both highlighted 24 hrs either side of the English government announce a GA. Imagine if the cases hit the media 2 weeks before the election.


They will have sat on this until they need a story to put the boot into the SNP. I would imagine developments will appear now and then whenever the establishment needs a distraction
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 24 May 19:20

Michael Gove has had enough now.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 24 May 22:33

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wee eck, Fri 24 May 19:20

Michael Gove has had enough now.


HOL bound
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 24 May 22:44

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated???

https://www.facebook.com/share/QuddEdDMUxudiFtu/

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Sun 26 May 14:41

Mandatory voluntary service for 18 year olds. Like it

Don’t stop there, there are some a lot older who’ve never worked in their puff!

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 26 May 16:00

I see Ross is up to his old tricks. He goes on about the SNP`s obsession with independence (most independence supporters criticise them for not being obsessed with it) then proceeds to fight the election on that one issue.

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 26 May 17:16


Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 24 May 19:20

Michael Gove has had enough now.

Yes looking like it wee eck



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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 26 May 20:55

How about send Tory MPs out on National Service? They`re so keen on it so let`s see them do it. Maybe make it a family affair and send their kids too.

Very few alive today will have experienced national service so they can`t comment.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 27 May 02:55

So because I`ve never done national service I`m not allowed to comment?
Oh ok then .
😟

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 27 May 07:37

Quote:

widtink, Mon 27 May 02:55

So because I`ve never done national service I`m not allowed to comment?
Oh ok then .
😟


I was meaning MPs and all these idiots saying it`s a good thing. How would they possibly know when none have done it? Why limit it to 18 year olds if it`s such a good thing?
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 27 May 08:56

Aw cool , so I can comment.
Excellent.
Well I`m undecided about this whole thing at the moment but as soon as I`ve had a gid think about it I`ll be back.
Ttfn 🙂

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 27 May 09:23

Well, I`ll see what you say and then decide if you need to edit/delete/card yourself 😉

In all seriousness, I believe there should be some form of mandatory activities for those who aren`t in education or employment and claim benefits. But that would be regardless of age and more focussed on improving key skills. I don`t understand why Sunak is focussing on 18 year olds other than to give the Wetherspoons breakfast brigade something to cheer about. I don`t know what planet he`s on, but any 18 year old considered the "brightest and best" will likely already be signed up to college, university or in a job. You don`t just pick up things like cyber security doing a day a week!

How about instead of nonsense schemes like national service they start providing better funding to youth centres and create more on the job training opportunities?
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Mon 27 May 11:58

Exactly, invest that money in creating apprenticeship places, not schemes to get folk picking litter
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Mon 27 May 12:35

Britons never never neeeevvveeer shall be slaves.

Unless they`re young, obviously.


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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Mon 27 May 13:42

National service ended before my time. I would have opted for the Wrens though.

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 27 May 16:32

Quite a few European nations, and all the Nordic ones I think, have national service. Those are the progressive nations we are always hearing about right?

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 27 May 18:05

You mean Norway where you can do it up to age 44 and you have to apply for it? I`m failing to see how that`s the same as making it mandatory for only 18 year olds.

Sunak will be long gone but let`s bring it in anyway and start by sending all the ex-Tory MPs off to help in Ukraine. I know 30p Lee has defected but I`m sure he`ll be up for it.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Mon 27 May 18:52

Didn’t the legendary Ivo Den Bieman sign for the Pars to avoid national service in the Netherlands?

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 27 May 18:58

No I didn`t say Norway I said Nordic which includes Norway. The Scandinavian countries Jake.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 27 May 19:25

I see a retiring Tory MP is endorsing the Reform UK candidate in her constituency and the President of the Birmingham Young Conservatives (is that those under 65?) has joined the Liberal Democrats. Happy ship!

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 27 May 19:59

Tories could get routed by the Reform Party.

Hopefully this is the beginning the dismantling of the cosy Tory/Labour pact.

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 28 May 05:19

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 27 May 18:58

No I didn`t say Norway I said Nordic which includes Norway. The Scandinavian countries Jake.


Yes, and Norway is the one Scotland is regularly compared to.

Maybe you meant Sweden? Covers people into their 40s and is only ever mandatory if they go to war.

Albie Amankona (Tory cretin who appears on the likes of GB News and Talk TV - both run by even bigger cretins) made a similar claim yesterday and was proven incorrect.

The simple fact is that this has been proposed because it appeals to older people like 30p Lee who are intent on punishing the young despite very few of them facing the hardships young people of today have. I don`t blame them though when they`re spoon-fed ignorance every day in the news.

I suppose the other fact is that it`ll go nowhere because those robbing Tories will be gone soon and will be off the hook for the billions they stole from the taxpayer. They should be in jail but instead will walk off with the money and/or get jobs on the aforementioned channels.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 28 May 05:56

Quote:

jake89, Tue 28 May 05:19

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 27 May 18:58

No I didn`t say Norway I said Nordic which includes Norway. The Scandinavian countries Jake.


Yes, and Norway is the one Scotland is regularly compared to.

Maybe you meant Sweden? Covers people into their 40s and is only ever mandatory if they go to war.

Albie Amankona (Tory cretin who appears on the likes of GB News and Talk TV - both run by even bigger cretins) made a similar claim yesterday and was proven incorrect.

The simple fact is that this has been proposed because it appeals to older people like 30p Lee who are intent on punishing the young despite very few of them facing the hardships young people of today have. I don`t blame them though when they`re spoon-fed ignorance every day in the news.

I suppose the other fact is that it`ll go nowhere because those robbing Tories will be gone soon and will be off the hook for the billions they stole from the taxpayer. They should be in jail but instead will walk off with the money and/or get jobs on the aforementioned channels.


Surely the incoming government can pursue any indiscretions re tax fraud or do the parties have an unspoken agreement 🤝?

The Icelanders dealt with the bankers in 2007/8

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 28 May 08:33

No I meant the Scandinavian nations Jake. They all have some form of national service. In Sweden, as of this year, they have mandatory civic service. About 100,000 young people will be drafted and ten percent of them will be forced to do it unwillingly. Or how about France where they have Universal National Service which is for 15-17 year olds?
Like you say though Jake, it ain`t happening anyway as Labour aren`t the ones proposing it and they will be power in five weeks time.

Tenruh, unfortunately or perhaps fortunately I guess, proof and evidence of wrongdoing is required before legal action can be taken.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Tue 28 May 11:55

Neil Gray busy …on his MSP X account campaigning for Taylor Swift tickets!

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 28 May 12:18

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The One Who Knocks, Tue 28 May 08:33

No I meant the Scandinavian nations Jake. They all have some form of national service. In Sweden, as of this year, they have mandatory civic service. About 100,000 young people will be drafted and ten percent of them will be forced to do it unwillingly. Or how about France where they have Universal National Service which is for 15-17 year olds?
Like you say though Jake, it ain`t happening anyway as Labour aren`t the ones proposing it and they will be power in five weeks time.

Tenruh, unfortunately or perhaps fortunately I guess, proof and evidence of wrongdoing is required before legal action can be taken.


Yes, but it`s Norway that Scotland is regularly compared to rather than Sweden or other Scandinavian countries.

Regardless of what Sweden or other countries do, it`s pretty foolish to only focus on 18 year olds. What Sunak is proposing sounds like something they came up with down the pub.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 28 May 12:31

There’s no way an 18yr me would have done this… not the army bit per se, but the whole swearing allegiance would be a hard no from me!
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 28 May 12:41

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DBP, Tue 28 May 12:31

There’s no way an 18yr me would have done this… not the army bit per se, but the whole swearing allegiance would be a hard no from me!


Me also, but many choose to do it.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 28 May 12:50

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Tenruh, Tue 28 May 12:41

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DBP, Tue 28 May 12:31

There’s no way an 18yr me would have done this… not the army bit per se, but the whole swearing allegiance would be a hard no from me!


Me also, but many choose to do it.


Depending on your age, you can still join the army reserves if you fancy.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Socks  
Date:   Tue 28 May 23:14

Going back to the timing of the election, it really is a bad time to hold it in Scotland and one aspect that might not be considered is finding enough people to staff it. From what I heard, it was a struggle to get enough people in Fife last time in 2022. The nature of this one, where nobody had any idea until last week, combined with it being held at the time when most people will be unavailable, means that staffing will surely be harder than normal.

If you`ve ever thought it might be interesting to be involved in it, it would probably be a good time to contact the elections office at your local council. A 16.5 hour day might not seem very appealling, but I`ve done it the last few times and quite enjoyed it.

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 31 May 17:40

I see Keir Starmer travelled up to Scotland by private jet today to announce his `green energy` plan..

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Sat 1 Jun 01:04

wee eck wrote:

> I see Keir Starmer travelled up to Scotland by private jet
> today to announce his `green energy` plan..
>
>

Yeah, he missed a trick by not coming up in a camper van.

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sat 1 Jun 07:45

The changing direction of Scottish politics since devolution never ceases to amaze me.

1990s me would never have imagined a Tory defending the current Labour leader in an attempt to have a dig at the SNP.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 1 Jun 10:07

They`re Better Together!

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sat 1 Jun 11:31

Because you can hardly get a cigarette paper between Tory and Labour threes days!

I’m over in Ireland just now and dipping in and out of the north (in the border area) and it’s just dawned on me, could you imagine telling some young man from a nationalist area that he had to join the British army!
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sat 1 Jun 12:49

Lots of Irish nationalists joined the British army back in the day, then left after basic training.

The assumption with training young men to fight is that they will then choose fight for your side....


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 1 Jun 16:31

DPB, fortunately they will have the option (actually they won`t as Labour will win the election) to instead of spending a year getting military training they can spend a dozen hours or so a month helping out in community health care settings.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 1 Jun 18:37

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The One Who Knocks, Sat 1 Jun 16:31

DPB, fortunately they will have the option (actually they won`t as Labour will win the election) to instead of spending a year getting military training they can spend a dozen hours or so a month helping out in community health care settings.


Cheap labour then?
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 1 Jun 19:15

Any one seen the 40 new hospitals ?

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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 1 Jun 20:32

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Buspasspar, Sat 1 Jun 19:15

Any one seen the 40 new hospitals ?


I think I saw them as I sped down on HS2, BPP!🤔🤭🤣
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 3 Jun 22:28

Anyone prepared to predict how many seats our glorious SNP will win on 4th July? I`ll guess 15 but will be happier if they get less.


https://news.sky.com/story/labour-could-be-on-course-for-194-seat-commons-majority-yougov-poll-13147370
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Mon 3 Jun 22:30

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Tenruh, Mon 3 Jun 22:28

Anyone prepared to predict how many seats our glorious SNP will win on 4th July? I`ll guess 15 but will be happier if they get less.


https://news.sky.com/story/labour-could-be-on-course-for-194-seat-commons-majority-yougov-poll-13147370


You will be happy if the only pro indy party returns less than 15 seats in a general election? 🤔😂 you 100% don’t want Scottish Indy…..
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 3 Jun 22:41

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Dave_1885, Mon 3 Jun 22:30

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Tenruh, Mon 3 Jun 22:28

Anyone prepared to predict how many seats our glorious SNP will win on 4th July? I`ll guess 15 but will be happier if they get less.


https://news.sky.com/story/labour-could-be-on-course-for-194-seat-commons-majority-yougov-poll-13147370


You will be happy if the only pro indy party returns less than 15 seats in a general election? 🤔😂 you 100% don’t want Scottish Indy…..


You`re not paying attention if you think the SNP are a pro Indy party.....give me an example of what the SNP MPs have done in 10 years to advance independence. Think of the man hours alone they`ve spent down there what have they achieved..
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 3 Jun 22:45

How much have Alba achieved?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 3 Jun 22:53

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jake89, Mon 3 Jun 22:45

How much have Alba achieved?


What`s Alba got to do with the broken promises of the SNP?
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 00:13

Has there ever been a political party that hasn`t broken a `promise`? Most of them are aspirations rather than promises and quite often they are not deliverable.

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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 05:28

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Tenruh, Mon 3 Jun 22:41

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Dave_1885, Mon 3 Jun 22:30

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Tenruh, Mon 3 Jun 22:28

Anyone prepared to predict how many seats our glorious SNP will win on 4th July? I`ll guess 15 but will be happier if they get less.


https://news.sky.com/story/labour-could-be-on-course-for-194-seat-commons-majority-yougov-poll-13147370


You will be happy if the only pro indy party returns less than 15 seats in a general election? 🤔😂 you 100% don’t want Scottish Indy…..


You`re not paying attention if you think the SNP are a pro Indy party.....give me an example of what the SNP MPs have done in 10 years to advance independence. Think of the man hours alone they`ve spent down there what have they achieved..


The SNP are the only party, in my life time, that gave the people the chance to vote on independence…….but they don’t want Indy right enough 😂🤦🏻‍♂️
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 06:43

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Dave_1885, Tue 4 Jun 05:28

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Tenruh, Mon 3 Jun 22:41

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Dave_1885, Mon 3 Jun 22:30

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Tenruh, Mon 3 Jun 22:28

Anyone prepared to predict how many seats our glorious SNP will win on 4th July? I`ll guess 15 but will be happier if they get less.


https://news.sky.com/story/labour-could-be-on-course-for-194-seat-commons-majority-yougov-poll-13147370


You will be happy if the only pro indy party returns less than 15 seats in a general election? 🤔😂 you 100% don’t want Scottish Indy…..


You`re not paying attention if you think the SNP are a pro Indy party.....give me an example of what the SNP MPs have done in 10 years to advance independence. Think of the man hours alone they`ve spent down there what have they achieved..


The SNP are the only party, in my life time, that gave the people the chance to vote on independence…….but they don’t want Indy right enough 😂🤦🏻‍♂️


The SNP of 10 years ago are a different beast to now.....give me an example of what they have done in Westminster to advance independence since then ?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 08:08

Obviously just my perception, but, given there is no legal route to independence, what I`ve seen Holyrood do (as our MPs have no real say as they are a minority and always will be) is subtle changes to legislation so Scotland isn`t in line with the rest of the UK. Whether intentional or not, it highlights Scotland going its own way. Unfortunately, it means I`m paying £100 more per month than colleagues in England but I`m not complaining when I`ve either benefited from or continue to benefit from things like fee-free childcare, prescriptions, university tuition etc.

Independence is unlikely to happen but is even less likely when we have Labour in power. What will be worse is when we end up with a Lab-Lib coalition in Holyrood. Co-led by a guy who needs permission from KS to do anything (even if he disagrees) and an alleged bully who drove someone to make an attempt on their life, and also thinks Scotland shouldn`t exist. That`s who you`d be voting for.

What would Alba do if they were in the SNPs position? What is their route to independence?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 09:55

https://peterabell.scot/2024/06/03/killer-question-2/
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 10:14

I actually think that with Labour heading towards a record breaking landslide victory that they will be able to give Scottish Labour a fair bit of latitude at the Holyrood elections. A chance to keep their momentum going. Comfortably secure Westminster and then take back control in Scotland. The SNP have ensured that labour will never again take Scotland for granted and in doing so have ensured they, the SNP that is, will never again win a majority of seats in either parliament.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 10:19

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The One Who Knocks, Tue 4 Jun 10:14

I actually think that with Labour heading towards a record breaking landslide victory that they will be able to give Scottish Labour a fair bit of latitude at the Holyrood elections. A chance to keep their momentum going. Comfortably secure Westminster and then take back control in Scotland. The SNP have ensured that labour will never again take Scotland for granted and in doing so have ensured they, the SNP that is, will never again win a majority of seats in either parliament.


The SNP are politically on their last legs, the Scottish electorate have had enough. Joining up with the Greens is their biggest
mistake
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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 10:21

I believe in the last 10 years the snp have formally requested permission to hold an indy referendum twice and been told “now is not the time” by the sitting unionist pm on both occasions?
They took that decision to the courts and were told that we (Scotland) are in a voluntary union, it just happens to be one that we’re not allowed to leave without permission!

What I’m not sure about is how getting rid of the snp and voting Labour will further the cause of independence?
Perhaps tenruh, could you lay out what Labour (or any other unionists party) is planning to do over the next ten years to deliver independence? …because from where I’m sitting, it feels like a vote for anything other than the snp, will be interpreted as a vote for the union and push the prospect of independence into the long grass
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 10:52

`What I’m not sure about is how getting rid of the snp and voting Labour will further the cause of independence?
Perhaps tenruh, could you lay out what Labour (or any other unionists party) is planning to do over the next ten years to deliver independence? …because from where I’m sitting, it feels like a vote for anything other than the snp, will be interpreted as a vote for the union and push the prospect of independence into the long grass.`


That`s what I told the Labour Party canvasser who was at my door last week, DBP. A plea to `lend your vote` to Labour to get rid of the Tories is just a pretence to try and diminish the SNP vote and weaken the case for independence. Boris Johnson asked Labour voters in the `red wall` seats in the North of England to `lend` him their votes to `get Brexit done` but how many regret it now?

There`s been a stunning silence in the mainstream media on the absence of a democratic route out of the Union. Imagine what the reaction would have been if the UK had needed permission from Brussels to have a referendum on EU membership.

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 11:57

Indy is a turkey I would happily stuff every year…

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 12:13

I don`t see how "Scottish" Labour aligning with UK Labour benefits Scotland in the slightest. Yes, it gives more sway for Scotland being part of the group in power but then the vast majority of that group will not be interested in Scotland.

Still waiting on a legitimate answer to what Alba would do differently to achieve independence.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 12:19

Who says Scottish Labour has to align with UK Labour? Are Scottish Labour planning on abolishing the free things we get up here that they don`t down south? If they aren`t then they aren`t aligning.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 12:23

No …but a vote for Labour will be interpreted by Labour, and everyone else, as a vote for the union
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 12:27

Can it not just be a vote against the SNP and their lacklustre record over recent years?

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 13:02

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The One Who Knocks, Tue 4 Jun 12:19

Who says Scottish Labour has to align with UK Labour? Are Scottish Labour planning on abolishing the free things we get up here that they don`t down south? If they aren`t then they aren`t aligning.


Isn`t that exactly what they`re proposing where they can. Obviously they can`t do away with certain things due to them being devolved. If London Labour propose something, Scottish Labour MPs will be whipped into voting for it, regardless if it`s bad for Scotland.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 13:54

There is actually no other option available for independence supporters than a vote for the SNP. We can`t lend our vote to Labour just to get rid of the Tories, as both parties will claim that as a vote for the union.

The SNP do need to do better, the ongoing gender recognition stuff is a vote loser, no one, other than a tiny minority supports it. They might publicly say they do, for fear of being ostracised at work etc, but privately they know it`s a load of nonsense. Swinney should have also got tough on Mathieson and kicked him out of the party, mate or not.

Apart from that they have done a pretty decent job of running the country when you see the state other nations in the union are in.

There is no other option than voting for the SNP if you want what is best for Scotland
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 14:21

Yes worth drug deaths in UK
Ditto alcohol
Worst life expectancy
Education so bad they withdraw from international comparative studies
Ferries debacle
840,000 on NHS waiting lists
Go to Sureme court with hopeless cases and get laughed oot the door
In cahoots with a bunch of perves for years..

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 14:44

The drugs deaths stats are interesting, it appears that any death where drugs show up in a post mortem is classed as a "drugs death "

If someone in a fatal car crash has drugs in their system, it is classed as a "drugs death "

Scotland is the only nation registering such statistics.

Scottish universities best in Europe as well?

HS2 was a bigger debacle, least BJ's father made some money out of it.

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 14:45

“Can it not just be a vote against the SNP and their lacklustre record over recent years?”

I’m single terms no. Even the indy is bigger than the snp, and support for indy is a bit higher than the snp, any vote not for them will be interpreted as a vote for the union, a vote that would allow a Westminster pm to refuse a referendum for the third time
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 14:48

Maybe folk will vote SNP when comparing the benefits that they have introduced, child poverty payments have been a great success.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 15:32

In a Westminster election the performance of the government at Holyrood should be irrelevant but the way the election is presented by the media encourages a `protest vote` against the Scottish government. Last night STV staged a `Leaders` Debate` featuring the Scottish leaders of the Tories, Labour, SNP and the Lib Dems. The only connection with WM was Douglas Ross who is an MP but he is standing down in this election. Of course the SNP have benefited in the past from being seen as performing favourably at Holyrood with a big majority of seats won at WM.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 18:26

Douglas Ross just did his party political broadcast. He mentioned the SNP 2-3x he mentioned his own party. He also focussed on health and education, both of which are devolved matters 🤦‍♂️ Absolute clown.
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Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 19:04

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jake89, Tue 4 Jun 18:26

Douglas Ross just did his party political broadcast. He mentioned the SNP 2-3x he mentioned his own party. He also focussed on health and education, both of which are devolved matters 🤦‍♂️ Absolute clown.


I caught a bit of it when I was briefly in the kitchen. If I hadn`t recognised the squeaky voice I might have thought it was on behalf of the SNP. If I didn`t before, now know who to vote for if I want independence.

I saw a couple of other polls yesterday. One had the SNP on 31 seats, still losing a lot but nowhere near as many. There are a lot of marginals, i suppose it depends what way they call them. I think the previously quoted one was a larger sample.

The other was about what would happen if the vote was only 18-24 year-olds. 51 seats for the SNP, none for the Tories. I don`t mean just in Scotland, none at all and a 400 seat majority for Labour. Meaningless in many respects but an indication of where things might be going.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 19:18

The pollsters didn`t get it right in India.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 19:46

I saw the same voting intention split between young and old. Quite a stark difference but the main takeaway was the lack of Tories in the younger group.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 21:34

About sums it up. Vote SNP and all you`ll get is more troughing..wise up folks voting for the SNP isn`t a vote towards independence

https://www.facebook.com/share/hbRf5fpTGXz1RQaq/
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 21:55

Who should we vote for Tenruh?
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 22:16

Just caught the end of the Sunak-Starmer debate on ITV. The last question was a throwaway about the Euros. Needless to say neither even acknowledged that Scotland would be there. `Nuff said!
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 22:20

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jake89, Tue 4 Jun 21:55

Who should we vote for Tenruh?


None of the English based unionist parties or any devolutionist parties , you`re then left with the Greens 💚 I know you quite like them, and possibly Alba, ISP , that`s who I`d vote for if they were an option, like the thought that they`re an abstentionist party and if there`s an Independent 4 Independence candidate they would be my first choice.
All these options gives you a choice to register an Independence vote the others don`t.

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 4 Jun 22:34

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Tenruh, Tue 4 Jun 22:20

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jake89, Tue 4 Jun 21:55

Who should we vote for Tenruh?


None of the English based unionist parties or any devolutionist parties , you`re then left with the Greens 💚 I know you quite like them, and possibly Alba, ISP , that`s who I`d vote for if they were an option, like the thought that they`re an abstentionist party and if there`s an Independent 4 Independence candidate they would be my first choice.
All these options gives you a choice to register an Independence vote the others don`t.


That sort of voting is better than not voting at all, and much better than voting for any of the unionist parties but really it`s still a wasted vote.

SNP is the only vote for someone that cares about Scotland`s future
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 06:18

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red-star-par, Tue 4 Jun 22:34

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Tenruh, Tue 4 Jun 22:20

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jake89, Tue 4 Jun 21:55

Who should we vote for Tenruh?


None of the English based unionist parties or any devolutionist parties , you`re then left with the Greens 💚 I know you quite like them, and possibly Alba, ISP , that`s who I`d vote for if they were an option, like the thought that they`re an abstentionist party and if there`s an Independent 4 Independence candidate they would be my first choice.
All these options gives you a choice to register an Independence vote the others don`t.


That sort of voting is better than not voting at all, and much better than voting for any of the unionist parties but really it`s still a wasted vote.

SNP is the only vote for someone that cares about Scotland`s future


What has the SNP done in the last 9 years having control of the Scottish Parliament and more MPs than all the other parties put together in Westminster do to advance independence?

The only wasted vote is giving it to the SNP and the electorate will confirm that a month today.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 07:15

But none of those parties can achieve anything and will be lucky to get any seats in Scotland. What you`re effectively doing by voting for them is handing a vote to Labour who plan to trash the Scottish economy.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 09:12

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jake89, Wed 5 Jun 07:15

But none of those parties can achieve anything and will be lucky to get any seats in Scotland. What you`re effectively doing by voting for them is handing a vote to Labour who plan to trash the Scottish economy.


Do you actually think 57 Scottish MPs will have any say whatsoever in the English Parliament?

The real fight is in 2026 so hopefully the SNP take a bloody nose now to bring them back to reality .
At the moment, the SNP are sucking up to BLIS in the hope they can firm a coalition with them in 2026 rather than work with the other Indy parties. And I`m not referring to the Greens .

Who are you voting for ?

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Topic Originator: Alter Ego  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 09:38

Im going for Reform UK!!

Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 09:59

I`m undecided currently, Tenruh. Leaning towards the SNP as the only viable option but also unsure as I`m not confident of the current group of MPs. I need to take a proper look. I like the Lib Dems candidate for Dunfermline but I strongly disagree with their leadership. Labour for me is a no. They don`t feel like a Scottish party and I`m not a fan of Starmer. Tories a definite no. I`m not sure if there`s an Alba candidate for Dunfermline but again.nit exactly convinced by the current crop.

Being brutally honest, this is a case of least-worst rather than best!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 10:02

Labour plan to trash the Scottish economy?! I`ve never voted Labour at a Westminster or Holyrood election so I`m not natural Labour supporter but I don`t think, for even one second, that they are planning to wreck the Scottish economy.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 10:06

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jake89, Wed 5 Jun 09:59

I`m undecided currently, Tenruh. Leaning towards the SNP as the only viable option but also unsure as I`m not confident of the current group of MPs. I need to take a proper look. I like the Lib Dems candidate for Dunfermline but I strongly disagree with their leadership. Labour for me is a no. They don`t feel like a Scottish party and I`m not a fan of Starmer. Tories a definite no. I`m not sure if there`s an Alba candidate for Dunfermline but again.nit exactly convinced by the current crop.

Being brutally honest, this is a case of least-worst rather than best!


As I said earlier hopefully it`s bloody nose time for the SNP and then there`s 2 years to get ready for the Holyrood election and the indy movement are prepared to work together to form a united front with no wasted 2 votes allowing the English parties control.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 11:48

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The One Who Knocks, Wed 5 Jun 10:02

Labour plan to trash the Scottish economy?! I`ve never voted Labour at a Westminster or Holyrood election so I`m not natural Labour supporter but I don`t think, for even one second, that they are planning to wreck the Scottish economy.


So, this is perhaps a bit petty, but what I`ve heard from "Scottish" Labour is the Scottish economy is falling behind the UK. This is incorrect and is just an example of Labour talking the country down. Furthermore, most of the mechanisms impacting on the economy would not be controlled by "Scottish" Labour, but by UK Labour. This goes back to the constant issue of UK parties not having Scotland`s interests at heart. They are quite reasonably always going to do what benefits the most, and that will be South East England.

The main focus Labour have on improving the Scottish economy (the one that performs better than the majority of England despite what Labour say) is to add a brass name plaque on an empty office so they can claim it`s the HQ of GB Energy.

If you were to blind fold me and read out some of the nonsense coming out of Labour right now I`d think it was the Tories. Where are the socialist, the fighters, the people seeking a more equal country? The only positive thing I heard Starmer say yesterday was that he wouldn`t use private healthcare over the NHS.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 11:51

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Tenruh, Wed 5 Jun 10:06

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jake89, Wed 5 Jun 09:59

I`m undecided currently, Tenruh. Leaning towards the SNP as the only viable option but also unsure as I`m not confident of the current group of MPs. I need to take a proper look. I like the Lib Dems candidate for Dunfermline but I strongly disagree with their leadership. Labour for me is a no. They don`t feel like a Scottish party and I`m not a fan of Starmer. Tories a definite no. I`m not sure if there`s an Alba candidate for Dunfermline but again.nit exactly convinced by the current crop.

Being brutally honest, this is a case of least-worst rather than best!


As I said earlier hopefully it`s bloody nose time for the SNP and then there`s 2 years to get ready for the Holyrood election and the indy movement are prepared to work together to form a united front with no wasted 2 votes allowing the English parties control.


I see where you`re coming from but I`d say noses are already bloodied and Swinney seems a much stronger leader than Yousaf. He seems less interested in letting the Greens get their way and has told COSLA to shut up about the National Care Service. I`m not suggesting he`s perfect but it`s good to see someone make clear decisions rather than wishy-washy try and appease everyone and getting nowhere.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 12:43

‘The only positive thing I heard Starmer say yesterday was that he wouldn`t use private healthcare over the NHS.’

So a multi-millionaire wants YOU to pay for HIS health care? And you see that as a positive?

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 13:30

I see Stephen Flynn is planning a bill in Westminster to outlaw nationalisation of the NHS.
It’s up to them how they run their NHS, up here it is fully devolved…why is this eejit meddling in English only matters?

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 16:18

Outlaw nationalisation? Don`t think that would be very popular in regards to the NHS. I`d imagine he`d be looking to outlaw privatisation of the NHS.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 16:45

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Tad Allagash, Wed 5 Jun 12:43

‘The only positive thing I heard Starmer say yesterday was that he wouldn`t use private healthcare over the NHS.’

So a multi-millionaire wants YOU to pay for HIS health care? And you see that as a positive?


Yes. Explain why it wouldn`t be?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 17:28

jake89 wrote:

>
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> ‘The only positive thing I heard Starmer say yesterday was
> that he wouldn`t use private healthcare over the NHS.’
>
> So a multi-millionaire wants YOU to pay for HIS health care?
> And you see that as a positive?

>
> Yes. Explain why it wouldn`t be?

I guess you’re happy to pay for Alan Sugar’s winter fuel allowance? How about the energy price cap for people with heated swimming pools?

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 18:32

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Tad Allagash, Wed 5 Jun 17:28

jake89 wrote:

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Tad Allagash, Wed 5 Jun 12:43
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> ‘The only positive thing I heard Starmer say yesterday was
> that he wouldn`t use private healthcare over the NHS.’
>
> So a multi-millionaire wants YOU to pay for HIS health care?
> And you see that as a positive?

>
> Yes. Explain why it wouldn`t be?

I guess you’re happy to pay for Alan Sugar’s winter fuel allowance? How about the energy price cap for people with heated swimming pools?


If they pay tax in the UK they are just as entitled to these things as anyone. You realise they pay way more than they`ll receive back? I`d assume so given that`s the case for me and I`m far from a millionaire!
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 5 Jun 19:07

Salmond won`t be standing for election in any constituency.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 06:24

https://www.facebook.com/share/8jXyM5drYxXmYNF2/
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 08:12

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The One Who Knocks, Wed 5 Jun 19:07

Salmond won`t be standing for election in any constituency.


None of the Scottish party leaders are standing in this election because it makes no sense to lead a Scottish party from Westminster.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 09:26

He was a Westminster MP for quite a number of years while also being the leader of the SNP.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 09:26

D Ross is about to prove you wrong - but we all know he`s an exceptionally talented guy! 😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 12:25

Ross is nicking nomination for a safer seat from the current Tory MP who is in his sick bed in hospital.
Did he ask the nurses to turn the poor invalid over so he could stab him in the back?

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 13:44

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Parboiled, Thu 6 Jun 12:25

Ross is nicking nomination for a safer seat from the current Tory MP who is in his sick bed in hospital.
Did he ask the nurses to turn the poor invalid over so he could stab him in the back?


Bit of a shoddy way to treat the current MP, who although in hospital currently, said he was raring to go for re-election. I`m not sure how Douglas Ross can do 3 jobs. Surely to be an MP representing a constituency properly at Westminster you need to actually be there regularly.

An article from last year (couldn`t see anything more up to date) showed for David Duguid, "Since 2019 he has taken part in 128 debates. He has also taken part in 86% of votes – one of the highest participation rates among all MPs.". Douglas Ross meanwhile only took part in 54% of votes over the same period
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 14:44

At the moment I think D Ross takes his Westminster salary and donates his Holyrood salary to charity. There`s a differential between them of approx £19k so, by not standing at WM but remaining as an MSP, he would be losing that amount. Now that he`s decided to stand in a pretty safe WM seat and stay on at HR he has restored the differential in his favour, assuming he continues to take the WM salary and forfeit his HR salary. The respective salaries are c£91k and c£72k.

Maybe it`s unfair to imply such a mercenary motivation but who knows? Having two jobs also gives him a bit of insurance against the financial effects of losing one.



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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 18:57

The Duguid situation seems slightly odd.

Now I`m sure that with so many potential candidates for a surprise election it`s entirely possible for someone`s personal circumstances to change at short notice.

Candidates are notorious for over-estimating their electoral chances, and it is not unknown for people to take a rather optimistic view as to their fitness.

In many cases, perhaps in a very safe seat, or one where you`ve no chance you might be more likely to go with the incumbent, or put up what might be a paper-candidate instead.

In a marginal seat (and many seats are now marginal) the inability of a candidate to campaign could make all the difference.

So it`s not a big surprise that a sitting MP could be dumped.

What is more surprising to me is that it`s been left so late (is this the equivalent of failing a late fitness test on the morning of the big match?) and that it`s Douglas Ross who is the candidate.

They must have seen this coming and you would have thought there might have been someone else that fancied the gig and could have been persuaded to be on standby.

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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 19:02

D Ross is about to prove you wrong - but we all know he`s an exceptionally talented guy! 😂😂😂

Sake. Hardly Mystic Meg, am I? :D


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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 19:18

Douglas Ross the school bully who never grew up. Hopefully doesn`t get elected but all the farmers up there love the Tories for some reason.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 7 Jun 20:18

Go Kirsty go......one of the minority who might get elected.


https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-two-kirstys/
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 8 Jun 13:22

Though I never saw the debate it was good to hear that Stephen Flynn played a blinder last night!😲🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 8 Jun 13:51

The debate was embarrassing tbh.

Farage waffling like a forgetful old man ("zero migration" but would still bring in key workers...so not zero then 🤦‍♂️)

Mordaunt and Rayner just tearing strips off each other. Like two-sides of the same coin.

The Cymru guy was just making up numbers. He could say anything as his party won`t be in power in Wales let alone the UK.

Lib Dem came across well.

Green came across well too but was a bit vague when challenged.

Flynn came across very well but I felt he wasn`t challenged enough.

What was incredibly apparent was just how out of touch the Tories are and that Labour have moved so far to the right that it`s embarrassing. They could have been talking about reducing migration through proper measures like increasing opportunities to bring people into key roles, better childcare provision, better vocational training etc.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sat 8 Jun 17:46

Type in your postcode and see your candidates

https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/elections/KY11%209GN/
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sat 8 Jun 18:02

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LochgellyAlbert, Sat 8 Jun 13:22

Though I never saw the debate it was good to hear that Stephen Flynn played a blinder last night!😲🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


Blinder...not once did he mention Independence, two leaders debates, and on both occasions the SNP representative never mentioned it.
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 8 Jun 18:59

Firstly, there were no questions relating to independence. Secondly, as has been explained many times, this is a UK election. Any approach for a second referendum would come through Holyrood.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Sat 8 Jun 19:00

Was the "Scotland own the oil" true?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 8 Jun 19:26

I refuse to watch that refuse

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sat 8 Jun 20:20

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jake89, Sat 8 Jun 18:59

Firstly, there were no questions relating to independence. Secondly, as has been explained many times, this is a UK election. Any approach for a second referendum would come through Holyrood.


No question related to Independence, that would suit the SNP then....you`d like to think they`d try and introduce it to the debate , well maybe not 😉
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 8 Jun 21:08

And then all that would happen is it would be latched onto. You wouldn`t make a very good politician 😂
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sun 9 Jun 06:30

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jake89, Sat 8 Jun 21:08

And then all that would happen is it would be latched onto. You wouldn`t make a very good politician 😂


Funnily enough I`ve got to agree with you....I was asked to stand in a local by-election and declined as I`m well aware of my abilities.

Not that it`s stopped others

On reflection after the 5th July the SNP will be sitting on the back benches swapping seats with the LD party maybe they should have been a bit more radical and become not very good politicians.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 9 Jun 09:33

You would`ve made a great Labour candidate for the area 😉
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 10 Jun 13:29

https://open.substack.com/pub/dearscotland/p/english-labour-isnt-the-change-scotland?r=hzhx5&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Wed 12 Jun 19:09

Sky news interviewing the wrong folk....

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/DE6Le9BfVxjncSzy/
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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Wed 12 Jun 20:52

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Tenruh, Wed 12 Jun 19:09

Sky news interviewing the wrong folk....

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/DE6Le9BfVxjncSzy/


Serious question...do you ever have anything to contribute that`s your own opinion and not a link to someone else`s?
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Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 12 Jun 23:19

I saw that. Great answers from the folk interviewed. Obviously these folk were not hand picked like they are for the TV debates….

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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Thu 13 Jun 09:20

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DBA, Wed 12 Jun 20:52

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Tenruh, Wed 12 Jun 19:09

Sky news interviewing the wrong folk....

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/DE6Le9BfVxjncSzy/


Serious question...do you ever have anything to contribute that`s your own opinion and not a link to someone else`s?


Mabees aye mabees naw
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 Re: General Election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 17 Jun 09:27

Everything`s to be paid for to join the club....parachuted in or a membership selection ?

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/5006725/naz-anis-miah-dunfermline-snp-lobbying-nurses/
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 17 Jun 17:18

I posted this yesterday and it was suggested he wasn`t even successful. Can`t read that article because it`s the Courier.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 18 Jun 00:22

Here Jake, this is the text from the article.

>The SNP’s Dunfermline and Dollar election candidate lobbied friends in the Scottish Government in a bid to gain NHS contracts for his recruitment firm, The Courier can reveal.

Naz Anis-Miah – who lists himself as director of operations for recruitment consultants AGB Resourcing since 2018 on his LinkedIn profile – met Humza Yousaf during the former first minister’s time as health secretary.
He also dined with Fife SNP minister Shirley-Anne Somerville.
On August 2, 2021, an associate claiming to represent AGB wrote to the government saying the business could tackle NHS staff shortages by supplying up to 40,000 nurses from abroad “immediately”.

There is no evidence the company was successful in obtaining any contracts.

In social media posts, he claims to have discussed AGB business with both politicians, with its company website boasting about its Holyrood and Westminster connections.

AGB adds: “If you are a formally registered recruitment agency and are interested in the current opportunities of recruiting to the UK, contact us to discuss our favourable business terms.”
But Mr Anis-Miah never declared any of his meetings with senior party figures, nor did his firm log its request to the Scottish Government for NHS contracts.

Neither the SNP councillor nor his business are signed up to the Scottish Parliament’s official lobbying register.
Exemptions to the rules do apply for companies with less than 10 employees.
Official lobbying rules state this is not the case if a small firm is acting on behalf of another client or company. But the lack of any paper trail – including the absence of a Companies House page – leaves question marks over whether AGB Resourcing should be exempt.
The revelations raise questions about transparency and the role of the private sector in delivering healthcare in Scotland.

A Scottish Labour spokesperson said: “Questions must be answered by Naz Anis-Miah, the SNP, and the Scottish Government about this history of lobbying which appears to have happened without following basic rules around transparency.”

When Mr Anis-Miah and Mr Yousaf met, the future election candidate claimed it was to discuss how Scotland’s “care staffing crisis” could be eased. And Mr Yousaf namechecked him in Holyrood last year when he was first minister, describing him as someone “who I know well”.
When AGB wrote to the Scottish Government requesting contracts, a meeting with Mr Yousaf was also requested.

One paragraph in the letter reads: “We can supply nurses who can start working straight away in a 3-month timescale (most agencies take 6 to 12 months) and help get the NHS ready coming out of this pandemic to meet all targets and offer the best services to the people of Scotland.”





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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 18 Jun 00:29

Continued....

Mr Anis-Miah and AGB finance director Craig McIvor had dinner with Ms Somerville – education secretary at the time – on August 19, 2021, just two weeks after AGB Resourcing wrote to the government.
The company posted a photograph on social media saying they were meeting to “discuss business for Scotland”.

An SNP spokesperson said: “Lobbying rules are clear on what constitutes lobbying and what doesn’t – and this does not.
“MSPs meet with local small businesses on a daily basis, and as an SNP activist and local councillor, he knows Ms Somerville well.
Through the work of Scots Asians for Independence, which Humza Yousaf has been involved with for 20 years, he has met almost every Scots Asian activist in the SNP – and that includes Naz, who will next month be the first male Scots Asian to be elected as an SNP MP.”

AGB shares an address with a pro-independence shop named Yes in the City, in Dunfermline.

Mr Anis-Miah was listed as a director for two companies also registered at this address.

He resigned his directorship of Dunfermline Business Services on May 25 and stepped back from a separate firm called JHunkin Services in March.
Both firms are listed as having no employees.

Mr Anis-Miah states he has a stake in both on his Fife Council website page.

Dunfermline and Dollar Labour candidate Graeme Downie said: “Anyone seeking the privilege to become the next MP for Dunfermline and Dollar shouldn’t be hiding from basic questions of accountability.”

Mr Anis-Miah was selected to contest Dunfermline and Dollar after the previous SNP candidate, Brian Goodall, stepped back.
He is hoping to replace outgoing nationalist MP Douglas Chapman, who quit ahead of the election after claims of a plot to oust him.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 18 Jun 06:41

Cannot understand why anyone would try to oust Mr Chapman.....could of course be a group of senior officials unhappy he as Party Treasurer requested to see the books.

Personal gain put before their members` interest ?

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 18 Jun 10:01

Why shouldn`t he be ousted, isn`t he just another `trougher` who has done nothing to push for independence?

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 18 Jun 10:36

Thanks TOWK.

Surely is Douglas was that unhappy in the SNP he would have quit and maybe jumped to Alba?
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Tue 18 Jun 12:58

He’s a two faced jerk who wants the Royal Nayy out of Scotland but has the frigging nerve to welcome the new frigate orders for Rosyth and the jobs ( secure
in the UK) that go with it.
He’s notoriously bone idle as well.

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Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Tue 18 Jun 15:19

Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 18 Jun 12:58

He’s a two faced jerk who wants the Royal Nayy out of Scotland but has the frigging nerve to welcome the new frigate orders for Rosyth and the jobs ( secure
in the UK) that go with it.
He’s notoriously bone idle as well.

Are we talking Thomas Docherty- your mate- and Rachel Squire levels of Bone idleness ? Difficult to believe that. That pair would take some beating…

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 18 Jun 19:19

Thomas Docherty must have been our laziest ever representative. The only thing I can remember him being involved in was some kind of drinks bust up in the Commons bar
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 07:51

I don`t think TD was lazy. He did what he had to and did it pretty well. No big fanfare. Same with RS.

I`ve forgotten the name of the current Labour candidate but he seems like he`ll be very active, but then that might change when he`s forced down to London to sit in a building that is more akin to a museum piece than a functioning parliament.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 11:55

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jake89, Wed 19 Jun 07:51

I don`t think TD was lazy. He did what he had to and did it pretty well. No big fanfare. Same with RS.

I`ve forgotten the name of the current Labour candidate but he seems like he`ll be very active, but then that might change when he`s forced down to London to sit in a building that is more akin to a museum piece than a functioning parliament.


Surely it only functions for England?
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 15:26

Rachel Squire fought a long battle with cancer (brain tumours) and faced her end with greater courage than I ever could.
I hope nobody is inferring that her absences from public life were due to laziness. Having been present as a staff representative at meetings with her I can vouch for her as always a doughty fighter for local jobs

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 19 Jun 16:33

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Parboiled, Wed 19 Jun 15:26

Rachel Squire fought a long battle with cancer (brain tumours) and faced her end with greater courage than I ever could.
I hope nobody is inferring that her absences from public life were due to laziness. Having been present as a staff representative at meetings with her I can vouch for her as always a doughty fighter for local jobs


I don`t think anyone is suggesting that. Like TD she was very aspirational. I think what people forget is that much of what they expect their MP should be doing is actually what their MSP should be doing, or maybe the local councillors. MPs in Scotland so very little that Joe Bloggs would really be aware of (things like health, education, roads etc).
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 21 Jun 12:48

So the Tories are embroiled in yet anther scandal, this time involving betting by Party insiders on the date of the General Election. Meanwhile at Holyrood the SNP are being investigated about the possible fiddling of postage stamps following an anonymous complaint. Will Douglas Ross be calling for immediate resignations of Sunak and Swinney?

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 21 Jun 14:25

SNP using stamps provided for MSP correspondence to post electioneering stuff. Hope they get a licking…!

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 21 Jun 14:32

Not stamps...🙄
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 21 Jun 17:40

It wasn`t stamps?

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 21 Jun 22:48

It WAS stamps. The rolleyes is at this even being reported. I seem to recall Alex Cole-Hamilton misusing funds to overspend considerably on flyers. Not sure the BBC ran a big story on it. Of course, Alex also got caught out using free envelopes when people misused them 😂
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Sat 22 Jun 07:23

Given the price of stamps this needs to addressed seriously. Only a first class officer in a senior post will do.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 22 Jun 15:15

Ultimately I just couldn`t do it. Got my postal vote today and as much as I think the SNP deserve an electoral kicking (as her indoors said "I just want them to to their effing job") I couldn`t vote for the Labour candidate with no obvious link to the area. Former Edinburgh list msp who quit eight years ago whose wife is also an msp. At least the SNP candidate is a local councillor for the area I live in. I`ve never once missed a chance to vote but I must admit the offering on show this election is the worst in my lifetime.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 22 Jun 15:21

I wonder how many others will come to that conclusion when they have to make their `X`, TOWK? That could make the polls look foolish.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Sat 22 Jun 16:43

Jings how principled TOWK, but this is a time for gooly kicking not angst!

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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sat 22 Jun 17:18

I`ll be voting SNP in a Westminster election for the first time since 1997.

I changed my intenmtions because my consituency has gotten extremely close between SNP and Labour and I`d prefer a pro-indie MP.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sat 22 Jun 18:56

Imagine 9 years of inaction, and folk think the SNP are still an independence party.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 22 Jun 19:09

Imagine thinking that voting for any party other than the SNP is going to help achieve independence.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Sat 22 Jun 19:38

I don’t mind how anyone votes, but it is a hard won right so use it

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 22 Jun 20:19

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wee eck, Sat 22 Jun 19:09

Imagine thinking that voting for any party other than the SNP is going to help achieve independence.


Totally agree!👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sun 23 Jun 11:50

Is voting SNP going to deliver it ?

They`ve already got a Westminster majority and promised a referendum to take place in September last year and failed to deliver.

https://www.facebook.com/share/F78yaohZWsb8k9DG/
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 23 Jun 11:58

The point is that there is no alternative that has a better chance of delivering independence than the SNP. Both Sarwar and Ross were asked this morning on the BBC what the democratic route was to independence and, needless to say, just avoided the question. Sarwar seems to think that, because he doesn`t believe in independence or another referendum, he doesn`t need to address the issue. Ross just says we had our chance in 2014 and that seems to have settled it for good.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 23 Jun 12:15

Perhaps Alba should work on building a credible case to vote for them? Right now they just come across a like UKIP style nutters.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 23 Jun 12:40

Said it before Tenruh and I`ll say it again, Salmond promised us that Scotland would be free in `93. Thirty one years later, anytime you like then Eck.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sun 23 Jun 15:17

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The One Who Knocks, Sun 23 Jun 12:40

Said it before Tenruh and I`ll say it again, Salmond promised us that Scotland would be free in `93. Thirty one years later, anytime you like then Eck.


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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sun 23 Jun 15:30

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jake89, Sun 23 Jun 12:15

Perhaps Alba should work on building a credible case to vote for them? Right now they just come across a like UKIP style nutters.


Don`t disagree with you they`re not radical enough for me. Sadly they're going to end up a mini me of the SNP.

Sturgeon and Salmond are the roadblocks to Independence.

The SNP need destroyed but there`s no credible alternative, hence why they`re hanging on.....

5 or 57 MPs won`t unlock the door to Independence, but come 2026 and Labour taking control of Holyrood none of us are likely to see independence in our lifetime.

Someone`s done a good job in destroying the previously rock solid independence movement.

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sun 23 Jun 17:51

I`m sure Sarwar won a load of votes after his appearance on the Sunday Show?🤔

Anas Sarwar on why Labour isn`t scrapping the two child benefit cap - "We`re the Labour party and we believe the best way out of poverty is work."

Dearie me!🤭
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 05:55

Let`s choose Independence over devolution.

https://www.facebook.com/share/N6ByLQiKwKTCWGzy/
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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 08:01

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LochgellyAlbert, Sun 23 Jun 17:51

I`m sure Sarwar won a load of votes after his appearance on the Sunday Show?🤔

Anas Sarwar on why Labour isn`t scrapping the two child benefit cap - "We`re the Labour party and we believe the best way out of poverty is work."

Dearie me!🤭


Look, should we really be disparaging a Scottish political leader because they don`t know what in-work poverty is?

Surely to goodness we can all agree that homeless single mothers should be working 80+ hours a week at minimum wage to afford the £2k per month rent they pay for their scabby B&B room.


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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 08:16

There`s a very odd situation in Scotland where we have a declining population yet people can`t afford to have kids. I`m not going to criticise the Scottish Government too much given we have child payments and free nursery hours, but the costs are ridiculous. I`m not suggesting things are made free to encourage people to have more kids, but wages have not followed inflation for years. I saw a thing yesterday where someone worked out you`d need to be clearing almost £2000pm just to get by living in a rented flat in a big standard area of Manchester.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 09:18

Sad shocking read from the Beeb regarding PPI waste

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cll476qzm85o

The Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC), which was responsible for purchasing and delivering Covid PPE, said it was unable to provide a statement due to the pre-election period.

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 10:15

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Buspasspar, Tue 25 Jun 09:18

Sad shocking read from the Beeb regarding PPI waste

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cll476qzm85o

The Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC), which was responsible for purchasing and delivering Covid PPE, said it was unable to provide a statement due to the pre-election period.


Yet no questions about Dido Harding`s track and trace funding?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 10:26

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Buspasspar, Tue 25 Jun 09:18

Sad shocking read from the Beeb regarding PPI waste

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cll476qzm85o

The Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC), which was responsible for purchasing and delivering Covid PPE, said it was unable to provide a statement due to the pre-election period.


That`s a truly grim read, £1,400,000,000 of the public`s money effectively burnt. Just think of what that could have done to alleviate poverty in the UK.

It cost £1,000,000 of taxpayers money just to store and then destroy it.

"Afterwards, Mrs Stoute and her husband bought a £30m seafront villa in Barbados; a yacht; a £6m house in the south of England and an international equestrian centre in Bedfordshire."

Never mind this theft though, let`s concentrate the newspaper headlines on a few stamps allegedly misused
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 10:40

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red-star-par, Tue 25 Jun 10:26

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Buspasspar, Tue 25 Jun 09:18

Sad shocking read from the Beeb regarding PPI waste

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cll476qzm85o

The Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC), which was responsible for purchasing and delivering Covid PPE, said it was unable to provide a statement due to the pre-election period.


That`s a truly grim read, £1,400,000,000 of the public`s money effectively burnt. Just think of what that could have done to alleviate poverty in the UK.

It cost £1,000,000 of taxpayers money just to store and then destroy it.

"Afterwards, Mrs Stoute and her husband bought a £30m seafront villa in Barbados; a yacht; a £6m house in the south of England and an international equestrian centre in Bedfordshire."

Never mind this theft though, let`s concentrate the newspaper headlines on a few stamps allegedly misused


Exactly this. These politicians are like the anti-Robin Hood, taking from the poor to give to the rich. Absolutely disgusting. But, yes, stamps...
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 11:04

The article stresses the couple who owned the company did nothing wrong and didn`t try to avoid tax. I think it`s a story about inefficiency and wastefulness rather than corruption; same effect on the public purse though.

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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 13:27

‘£1,400,000,000 of the public`s money effectively burnt. Just think of what that could have done to alleviate poverty in the UK.’

So I make that about £20 each. I expect the government wastes more than this every day.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 13:32

That`s OK then.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 13:44

"about £20 each"

So do you reckon babies generally pay much in the way of tax?

Also, you think the government wastes half a trillion quid a year? Half their budget?


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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 14:22

‘So do you reckon babies generally pay much in the way of tax?’

Didn’t say they do. Red Star was talking about how the money could’ve been spent (including on babies).

‘you think the government wastes half a trillion quid a year? Half their budget?’

More like 40% of their budget. I don’t know, but about 10% goes on debt interest for starters.

‘That`s OK then.’

No Eck, it’s not OK - I’d rather have the £20. And yet some people want (other people) to pay more tax, which we all agree gets wasted.

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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 14:50

I`d rather the government took a wee bit extra and spent it on life-saving services for folk rather than giving it to their pals or spending it on lockdown parties, but that`s just me.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 15:18

So the Tories want us to pay less tax because it will be wasted - by the Tory government. I think I`ve got it now.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 25 Jun 16:34

We`re all paying more tax, including pensioners, wonder who caused that?

Personal Allowance anybody.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Wed 26 Jun 10:46

https://www.holyrood.com/comment/view,as-the-salience-of-independence-decreases-so-too-does-the-relevance-of-the-snp-in-this-election
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 26 Jun 17:33

Latest Ipsos poll putting SNP at 5%, higher figure than previous GE!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 26 Jun 17:38

Then again can you trust polls?🤔

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24413907.poll-snp-win-majority-scottish-seats-tories-zero/
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Thu 27 Jun 05:51

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LochgellyAlbert, Wed 26 Jun 17:38

Then again can you trust polls?🤔

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24413907.poll-snp-win-majority-scottish-seats-tories-zero/


Great news 👏 looking like we`re going to be independent after all.

Amazing what a good leader will achieve with 29 seats when the previous leader (dictator)over the last 3 elections gained 56, 36 and 48 seats and achieved sfa....thanks Mr Swinney for turning it around 😀

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/oV4ZDNmM2oraeKCf/

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 27 Jun 11:38

Some light relief in the Guardian -

Even during a general election campaign with projections of historic – even unprecedented – results, people cannot always be relied upon to give their full attention.

“We met a guy who said he was going to vote Labour but wouldn’t now because he had just heard that we were taxing condoms,” said Labour’s Karl Turner, who was first voted in as the MP for Hull East in 2010 and is standing for re-election this time.

“I said, ‘condoms?’ ‘Yeah,’ he said: ‘I just heard on that [pointing to the TV] that you are taxing condoms, and I’m not having it. You’re not getting my vote.’ It was Terence [Turner’s parliamentary assistant] here who worked it out.

“‘We’re taxing non-doms, not condoms,’ I said. ‘Oh,’ he said. ‘Like the prime minister’s wife? Ah.’ He calls out: ‘Margaret: they’re taxing non-doms, not condoms.’”

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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 28 Jun 06:06

https://www.facebook.com/share/wdVJ33NbZjJQUFqV/
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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Fri 28 Jun 06:20

Let me guess, another link to a rambling or rabid anti snp piece???
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 06:01

According to The Guardian, there`s an excellent chance that we may see the last of Jacob Rees-Mogg as a politician. Behind every cloud... eh?

:)

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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 10:56

Getting your political analysis from Facebook is like getting your dinner from the wee bags folk hang on trees.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 11:25

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Wotsit, Sun 30 Jun 10:56

Getting your political analysis from Facebook is like getting your dinner from the wee bags folk hang on trees.


Where do you get your political analysis from ?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 15:50

Where do you get your political analysis from ?

Mainly from dead people like Goldman and Proudhon but also some nearly dead people like Chomskey and, to a lesser extent, žižek.

The dead ones obviously didn`t use Facebook as a platform, but žižek would I suppose. I didn`t look, never do and never would, so was it žižek you linked?


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 16:10

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Wotsit, Sun 30 Jun 15:50

Where do you get your political analysis from ?

Mainly from dead people like Goldman and Proudhon but also some nearly dead people like Chomskey and, to a lesser extent, žižek.

The dead ones obviously didn`t use Facebook as a platform, but žižek would I suppose. I didn`t look, never do and never would, so was it žižek you linked?


Don`t know any of the above but found this link below.....how to wreck a party....no wonder she got pulled in February last year.....

https://www.facebook.com/share/GFBTEwHsttoNUQ6B/

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 20:53

Okay, so lesbians are now to blame. Got it.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 22:14

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jake89, Sun 30 Jun 20:53

Okay, so lesbians are now to blame. Got it.


Where does the article blame Lesbians ?
Or is that selective reading on your part.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 30 Jun 23:40

"travelling squad of Scottish lesbians". It`s right to there in the middle. Maybe get your reading specs.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 05:43

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jake89, Sun 30 Jun 23:40

"travelling squad of Scottish lesbians". It`s right to there in the middle. Maybe get your reading specs.


Suppose Wotsit's point is confirmed here.

A good article explaining how the SNP were captured by a small high up clique, run as a dictatorship to the detriment of the members and independence .

These individuals are now hanging on but this coming election and the Scottish Parliament 2026 election will hopefully rid Scotland of them and the rebuilding of Independence starts.

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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 08:50

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Tenruh, Mon 1 Jul 05:43

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jake89, Sun 30 Jun 23:40

"travelling squad of Scottish lesbians". It`s right to there in the middle. Maybe get your reading specs.


Suppose Wotsit`s point is confirmed here.

A good article explaining how the SNP were captured by a small high up clique, run as a dictatorship to the detriment of the members and independence .

These individuals are now hanging on but this coming election and the Scottish Parliament 2026 election will hopefully rid Scotland of them and the rebuilding of Independence starts.


Rebuilding of Independence under who? Labour? Reform? Lib Dems?

Tell me, how on earth is Unionist parties winning in Scotland the driving force for independence?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 09:31

So you`re now accepting, Tenruh, that the article states the issue was/is(?) a group of lesbians? This sort of nonsense masks a valid point - independence has been overshadowed by other policy areas.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 09:39

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Dave_1885, Mon 1 Jul 08:50

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Tenruh, Mon 1 Jul 05:43

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jake89, Sun 30 Jun 23:40

"travelling squad of Scottish lesbians". It`s right to there in the middle. Maybe get your reading specs.


Suppose Wotsit`s point is confirmed here.

A good article explaining how the SNP were captured by a small high up clique, run as a dictatorship to the detriment of the members and independence .

These individuals are now hanging on but this coming election and the Scottish Parliament 2026 election will hopefully rid Scotland of them and the rebuilding of Independence starts.


Rebuilding of Independence under who? Labour? Reform? Lib Dems?

Tell me, how on earth is Unionist parties winning in Scotland the driving force for independence?


There`s no doubt about it, it`s definitely a mess...as long as the SNP are not going to work with other Indy minded parties, we`re going nowhere.
Why do you think it`s come to this ? Asked a hundred times already and no answer given, Labour were wiped out of Scotland in 2015, 9 years later, and they`ll probably have more Scottish MPs than the SNP. How did that happen?
I attended an SNP conference in 2017, and in the background, there was a screen telling the attendees that the membership was at 126,000+ members. Where are they folks now?

The SNP need swept aside to let something else grow in their place because they are the gate keepers blocking Scotlands drive to independence.

Lastly, why over the last 5 years when we`ve had 46 SNP MPs and achieved nothing can John Swinney promise independence if the snp get 29 MPs this time ?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 09:54

The snp had been working with other independence minded parties but you seemed to not like their coalition with the greens. You keep going on about how a Sturgeon led snp wiped out labour in 2015. 2015 wasn`t the end of history. In 2010 general election Gordon Browns labour party almost wiped out the Salmond led snp. Things change and the sentiment of voters are built on shifting sands.
Nobody, not Swinney, not Salmond or whoever can promise independence because it isn`t in their hands to deliver it. It`s up to the people to want it. If everybody that voted snp or the greens or alba took to the streets and marched on Holyrood on a specific day to demand a referendum then Westminster would be forced to act. That ain`t going to happen though. Not when their is football to watch and latest series to binge on netflix.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 11:14

The total votes of all those that have voted and will on Thursday again vote for Unionist parties have exceeded and will again exceed the total pro Indy vote.
So the minority can march their erses off all they like….



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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 11:35

So why not have a referendum to settle it? I`ve no doubt if the Unionist parties win more Westminster seats than the SNP on Thursday this will be interpreted as a vote against independence. When the SNP won a huge majority of seats the Unionists didn`t see it as any kind of mandate for a referendum or even a request for one - double standards as ever in this precious Union.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 12:42

"Because you had your vote in 2014"
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 13:04

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The One Who Knocks, Mon 1 Jul 09:54

The snp had been working with other independence minded parties but you seemed to not like their coalition with the greens. You keep going on about how a Sturgeon led snp wiped out labour in 2015. 2015 wasn`t the end of history. In 2010 general election Gordon Browns labour party almost wiped out the Salmond led snp. Things change and the sentiment of voters are built on shifting sands.
Nobody, not Swinney, not Salmond or whoever can promise independence because it isn`t in their hands to deliver it. It`s up to the people to want it. If everybody that voted snp or the greens or alba took to the streets and marched on Holyrood on a specific day to demand a referendum then Westminster would be forced to act. That ain`t going to happen though. Not when their is football to watch and latest series to binge on netflix.


Don`t think the SNP liked their coalition with the Greens. Cost them and Scotland big time.

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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 13:08

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wee eck, Mon 1 Jul 11:35

So why not have a referendum to settle it? I`ve no doubt if the Unionist parties win more Westminster seats than the SNP on Thursday this will be interpreted as a vote against independence. When the SNP won a huge majority of seats the Unionists didn`t see it as any kind of mandate for a referendum or even a request for one - double standards as ever in this precious Union.


The SNP were down at 29% support last week and Independence is at 50% somethings going to have to give. Ideally the SNP takes a pasting.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 13:38

A referendum to ‘settle it’? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 13:51

Isn`t there a bit of a contradiction there, Ted? Surely if the Unionists thought they would win a referendum they would grant one? They could probably bury the question of independence for more than a generation.

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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 14:12

wee eck wrote:

> Isn`t there a bit of a contradiction there, Ted? Surely if the
> Unionists thought they would win a referendum they would grant
> one? They could probably bury the question of independence for
> more than a generation.
>
>

A generation of hamsters?

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 15:25

I`ve heard scare stories from the Tories that Labour will extend the franchise to 16 year olds and immigrants to perpetuate their hold on power but I didn`t realise they were going to give the vote to hamsters as well.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 15:42

A hamster knows there are two genders, a question Swinney couldn’t answer to save himself this morning!

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 15:53

Still stalking are you?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 16:34

‘A hamster knows there are two genders..’

To be fair, it’s quite difficult to tell the difference between a male and female hamster, so they must be smarter than we give them credit for.

The only issue with giving hamsters the vote is that they’re technically Syrian immigrants…..

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 16:36

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Parboiled, Mon 1 Jul 15:42

A hamster knows there are two genders, a question Swinney couldn’t answer to save himself this morning!


What are they?
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 16:36

I bet they`re smart enough to know not to vote Tory.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 16:38

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Tad Allagash, Mon 1 Jul 16:34

‘A hamster knows there are two genders..’

To be fair, it’s quite difficult to tell the difference between a male and female hamster, so they must be smarter than we give them credit for.

The only issue with giving hamsters the vote is that they’re technically Syrian immigrants…..


Male and female are sex rather than gender.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 16:40

On the original topic, it`s good to see Starmer has backed Downie on devolved matters he won`t actually be responsible for. It almost as if they`ve copied and pasted the letter and changed the name/ward at the top 😂
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 16:48

Daily Express predicting armageddon for SNP!🤭💩💩💩
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 16:57

At the weekend I think the Sunday Express, Sunday Telegraph and Mail on Sunday all came out in favour of voting for the Tories on Thursday. I wonder what recommendations their daily equivalents will give to their readers!

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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 17:32

The "National" online poll running till 3rd



https://www.facebook.com/share/p/X9Lwegahfu759tpe/
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 23:11

I always thought the celebrated psephologist, Sir John Curtice, only commented on polls and kept clear of policy but tonight on Newsnight he was quite critical of the lack of detail in Labour`s economic plan. He was getting quite animated in a discussion with Harriet Harman.
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Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Mon 1 Jul 23:24

Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 1 Jul 11:14

The total votes of all those that have voted and will on Thursday again vote for Unionist parties have exceeded and will again exceed the total pro Indy vote.
So the minority can march their erses off all they like….


And has been well documented c 30% Labour, 12% Lib Dem and 8% Tory voters in Scotland are in favour of independence, that’s why the polls are still showing c50% in favour. Not quite as black and white as you make out.

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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 06:20

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desparado, Mon 1 Jul 23:24

Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 1 Jul 11:14

The total votes of all those that have voted and will on Thursday again vote for Unionist parties have exceeded and will again exceed the total pro Indy vote.
So the minority can march their erses off all they like….


And has been well documented c 30% Labour, 12% Lib Dem and 8% Tory voters in Scotland are in favour of independence, that’s why the polls are still showing c50% in favour. Not quite as black and white as you make out.


Good point, never really thought of that...let`s face it when we`re independent we`ll still have rebranded Unionist parties but no Indy parties.
The present mantra of let`s rid Scotland of the Tories is pure nonsense as Scotland has no say in the English Parliament vote.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 08:51

“And has been well documented…..”

Whereaboot?

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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 10:25

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wee eck, Mon 1 Jul 23:11

I always thought the celebrated psephologist, Sir John Curtice, only commented on polls and kept clear of policy but tonight on Newsnight he was quite critical of the lack of detail in Labour`s economic plan. He was getting quite animated in a discussion with Harriet Harman.


I took his reaction as showing how annoyed he is about the way that politicians are treating the electorate just now. I`m far from happy with the way Labour have positioned themselves but getting the Tories out is priority #1 in my seat.

Starmer better not mess it up.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 16:42

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/07/02/an-unlikely-liberator-of-scotland/#respond
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 2 Jul 17:01

What`s the background on the Reform candidate for Dunfermline and Dollar? Suggests he lives in Cowdenbeath but he`s got what looks like a Dutch name and appears to be from England? Has he been helicoptered in to cover the seat or is he a genuine local? I`ll be disappointed if Fife is getting yet another faux-Fifer* put up for election.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 3 Jul 07:57

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jake89, Tue 2 Jul 17:01

What`s the background on the Reform candidate for Dunfermline and Dollar? Suggests he lives in Cowdenbeath but he`s got what looks like a Dutch name and appears to be from England? Has he been helicoptered in to cover the seat or is he a genuine local? I`ll be disappointed if Fife is getting yet another faux-Fifer* put up for election.


Sounds like another one of those bl00dy immigrants, coming over here, trying to steal our MPs jobs. If only there was a Political Party that could stamp out their likes, and make Britain Great again, they`d have my vote I tell thee
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 3 Jul 10:57

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red-star-par, Wed 3 Jul 07:57

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jake89, Tue 2 Jul 17:01

What`s the background on the Reform candidate for Dunfermline and Dollar? Suggests he lives in Cowdenbeath but he`s got what looks like a Dutch name and appears to be from England? Has he been helicoptered in to cover the seat or is he a genuine local? I`ll be disappointed if Fife is getting yet another faux-Fifer* put up for election.


Sounds like another one of those bl00dy immigrants, coming over here, trying to steal our MPs jobs. If only there was a Political Party that could stamp out their likes, and make Britain Great again, they`d have my vote I tell thee


It`s a bit ironic, isn`t it? It could be he`s new to the area but there`s so little info on him and all the references seem to suggest he was in England until very recently. Nothing wrong with that if he`s just moved up and wants to play his part in the community but the cynic in me thinks he`s not actually local.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 3 Jul 13:14

Apparently Glasgow North is the same. Complete randomer and they can`t find anything about her.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Wed 3 Jul 13:15

I could see the controversy if it were a high profile politician parachuted into a safe seat.

But someone that nobody’s heard of in a seat they can’t win? I can’t see the problem.

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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Wed 3 Jul 14:49

Don`t think the SNP candidate in Dunfermline and Dollar is a local . Might be wrong of course.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Wed 3 Jul 15:47


When the fun begins..

https://news.stv.tv/politics/when-will-my-new-mp-be-announced-all-scottish-constituencies-and-expected-declaration-times-listed
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Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 3 Jul 16:46

Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 3 Jul 14:49

Don`t think the SNP candidate in Dunfermline and Dollar is a local . Might be wrong of course


He is. Born and bred.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 3 Jul 17:30

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Tenruh, Wed 3 Jul 14:49

Don`t think the SNP candidate in Dunfermline and Dollar is a local . Might be wrong of course.


He`s the local councillor and pretty sure he was involved in the Royal Bengal. But apart from that...
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Wed 3 Jul 18:32

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Tad Allagash, Wed 3 Jul 13:15

I could see the controversy if it were a high profile politician parachuted into a safe seat.

But someone that nobody’s heard of in a seat they can’t win? I can’t see the problem.


Well the Tories have tried that with a certain Mr D Ross and looks like it will back fire massively 😂
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Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Thu 4 Jul 08:09

Latest poll, Swinney just 5 MPs short of the amount needed to go into negotiations with our masters.


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/snp-scottish-reform-uk-mps-conservatives-b1168311.html
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